First of all. You are trying to say the chant meant washing dishes. Get a life
no I'm not, I'm suggesting innocent until proven guilty. you're the one trying to expell people. That puts the onus on you to prove what they meant. Just because you assume you know isn't compelling evidence to those who believe in free speech and constitutional rights....
They did not chant "go rape Jennifer tonight"
They excercised their constitutional right to disagree with current rape laws....
you are more hellbent on the fact that it was Bush's frat than actually worrying about constitutional rights to freedom of speech. I don't have to agree with it, but I do support their right to say it.
Secondly, I mentioned both Bush presidents were members of the Fraternity. DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? How did you even connect my factual statement about both Bush Presidents being members to innocent until proven guilty. How? Where is the connection to that?
the fact you neglected to include both Roosevelts is the point most took exception with. Pretty convenient you try link ONLY the people you DON'T like, and not EVERYONE who's ever been in it.
Also, you have a freaking video that shows people in, and I'm sure there were witnesses. You need more proof than that?
Your "proof" is a black screen with people chanting. No faces, no "proof" that it wasn't Obama's old frat chanting it. You have HEARSAY, that's it. Someone SAYING it's the frat in question. You suggest we expell everyone in the frat involved but you have no way to actually PROVE who was involved.
You know, your problem is that you think this is funny. You think a chant about rape is funny. I bet if you were a female, or a male who had been raped and sexually taken advantage of then you wouldn't think it is so funny. [/quote]
no, I think a chant about dishes is funny. you haven't proven to me with your crappy resolution video anything except the exact words said. no context, no faces, no names, just the actual words. I don't support their meaning, but I support their Constitutional right to say it.
Rape on college campuses is a reality, and even more so amongst fraternities that are known for drinking and partying.
I agree. But rape laws are messed up. When the stripper at Duke can ruin the lives of the Lacrosse players just by saying she was raped, when it came out later that they didn't... it's a problem. Do you realize, the COACH of the Lacrosse team had to quit his coaching job at a D-1 school because of it and he wasn't even there. Rape laws are messed up and protesting them is ok. That doesn't mean rape is ok, it just means rape laws are messed up.
Kobe Bryant - had sex with a girl and she changed her mind /= rape. She used it to simply extort money from a well-known, wealthy athlete.
Ben Rothlesburger - had sex with a girl and then she realizes there is a payday involved and uses a rape accusation as an extortion for money.
If you are one of these frats, and then you go chanting about No Means Yes, that is a problem.
are frats only allowed to be politically active in popular causes. They are allowed to protest just as much as you are.
It isn't funny, nor should you try to bring in some stupid angle about washing dishes. IT WAS NOT ABOUT WASHING DISHES, you know that, I know that, and so does everyone else. So drop the washing dishes argument, it makes you look more childish than your bwahahahaha laughter.
why should I drop it, you can't PROVE they weren't talking about it.
That's just another angle, but the constitutional issue is the larger issue here. But even if you can get past that, proving guilt is still on YOU.
