2.3 GingerBread for Captivate[discussion]

[BigCiX]

for sure i this will be my last samsung cellphone. I hope they know that this is only hurting their mobile phone market!

 

[skinien]

for sure i this will be my last samsung cellphone. I hope they know that this is only hurting their mobile phone market!

First and last for me. HTC Android devices have been getting my attention.

 

[northernale1]

Sounds like we'll have to depend on the Devs for a 2.3 port.

Samsung on Galaxy S Gingerbread Possibility: Maybe, but Maybe Not | Android Phone Fans

i dont even get how that STORY tells you 2.3 wont be coming?????!!!!!!

 

[skinien]

i dont even get how that STORY tells you 2.3 wont be coming?????!!!!!!

Because the reply is so convoluted that it implies that they have no intention of doing so. They've obviously been working on 2.3 with the Nexus S for some time now. By doing so, they already know whether or not it would be portable to Galaxy S. If for some wild reason, there isn't a single employee at Samsung that would know whether or not Galaxy S can support 2.3, it should take hours for someone to do the research and find out. The response tells me that they have thought about it and have no intentions to make 2.3 available to Galaxy S users. They are already making excuses on why the update can't be made available.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation:
1. the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products
The effect would be a great consumer response due to a great product.
2. the system requirements,
Same processor and RAM.
3. the structural limitations
The Galaxy S is not made of radioactive or explosive materials; it should be ok.
4. and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
Um, isn't that one of the benefits of using an open source OS. What do they need from "component suppliers"? Shifting the blame to other companies, nice. Samsung, you're a joke.

Sounds much too like the template replies the dished out when they were "optimizing" the GPS with an update. They did send an update in September, but it didn't fix the GPS. Samsung is a bullshit company.

“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
“If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development”.


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[northernale1]

i got my captivate in november,, gps works fine

doesnt sound like a no to me,,, after reading it over and over again,,,

 

[Endoran]

It's a non-answer is what it is. Isn't even worth the breath to say. That reply acknowledged that a question had been asked and proceeded to state the obvious things any company would consider, I guess they failed to comprehend that questions require one to actually think and answer rather than just speculate on the chance of thinking let alone an answer. I find the "answer" humorous, in a bad way, like a politicians "answer".

 

[northernale1]

It's a non-answer is what it is. Isn't even worth the breath to say. That reply acknowledged that a question had been asked and proceeded to state the obvious things any company would consider, I guess they failed to comprehend that questions require one to actually think and answer rather than just speculate on the chance of thinking let alone an answer. I find the "answer" humorous, in a bad way, like a politicians "answer".

totally agree with the politician comment,,

 

[s.m.knipe]

Because the reply is so convoluted that it implies that they have no intention of doing so. They've obviously been working on 2.3 with the Nexus S for some time now. By doing so, they already know whether or not it would be portable to Galaxy S. If for some wild reason, there isn't a single employee at Samsung that would know whether or not Galaxy S can support 2.3, it should take hours for someone to do the research and find out. The response tells me that they have thought about it and have no intentions to make 2.3 available to Galaxy S users. They are already making excuses on why the update can't be made available.

 

[skinien]

I actually agree with you, this is just giving them a legal way out of the update.

Thanks for agreeing, but I don't get your statement.

Are you saying that it would be illegal to NOT provide us an update? I don't think it's an issue of legality, rather an issue of customer service and customer loyalty.

 

[s.m.knipe]

Thanks for agreeing, but I don't get your statement.

Are you saying that it would be illegal to NOT provide us an update? I don't think it's an issue of legality, rather an issue of customer service and customer loyalty.

Not an issue of legal responsibility, but a way of preventing any kind of legal recourse (such as there was/is talk of over Froyo) over any kind of lack of further support. As Endoran said, this is a non-answer in terms of teh question they were asked, but that doesn't mean that it is not making a statement. Instead of saying something like HTC's "we are looking into it, and will update what we can" Samsung has chosen to give this bit of legalese (probably direct from the law/policy office desk) saying basically that updating is their option when and how it works for them, and that if an update does not seem to be beneficial to them, they will not work toward it. That is a far cry from the claims of long-term support we heard back in the summer at the Galaxy S launch event and interviews. This is providing an updated official statement for the record that they expect to be held accountable to (because it is entirely in their favor), and no one would be able to complain about not receiving Gingerbread+ because it simply could be considered "not feasible" and that would be the end of it. Without this vague legalese it could have been argued that Gingerbread+ updates would have fallen under "long-term support" claims, but now they have allowed themselves a way of declining updates.

 

[Joecascio2000]

Let me lay down some facts and you can make your own predictions:

1. Android is owned and developed by Google.
2. Google and samsung have worked on a phone together. (Nexus S)
3. The nexus s is almost identical to the galaxy s portfolio.
4. The nexus s will be pre installed with Android GingerBread 2.3.
5. Also, the nexus s is set to be release Dec. 16th in US.
6. Samsung said at a press conference that their Galaxy S portfolio would receive an update in mid December.

Now let me lay down some thing I have noticed. (not known facts)

1. Samsung probably had Gingerbread for quite some time now.
2. If Google and Samsung worked together, they probably have a deal that their phones would get gingerbread first.
3. Samsung has pushed froyo back and back and probably realized to just skip it since they had gingerbread working already.
4. Samsung is the top android dealer and it would be in their best interest to push out gingerbread first.
5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.

So there, make your own conclusions. I personally think it would be better if we saw gingerbread first.

 

[northernale1]

Let me lay down some facts and you can make your own predictions:

1. Android is owned and developed by Google.
2. Google and samsung have worked on a phone together. (Nexus S)
3. The nexus s is almost identical to the galaxy s portfolio.
4. The nexus s will be pre installed with Android GingerBread 2.3.
5. Also, the nexus s is set to be release Dec. 16th in US.
6. Samsung said at a press conference that their Galaxy S portfolio would receive an update in mid December.

Now let me lay down some thing I have noticed. (not known facts)

1. Samsung probably had Gingerbread for quite some time now.
2. If Google and Samsung worked together, they probably have a deal that their phones would get gingerbread first.
3. Samsung has pushed froyo back and back and probably realized to just skip it since they had gingerbread working already.
4. Samsung is the top android dealer and it would be in their best interest to push out gingerbread first.
5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.

So there, make your own conclusions. I personally think it would be better if we saw gingerbread first.

you sound as if you have some corperate experience

 

[rubiconjp]

What Joe said is all good and all except for two minor facts:

1) Galaxy S phones in other parts of the world already have the official Froyo update from Samsung... And it is Froyo.

2) Samsung did say it will be Froyo. Actually they have tweeter many times about this and also had promised Froyo at the release in the US.

 

[s.m.knipe]

5. Samsung never said what update we would receive, only that we would in the near future.

Actually, Samsung has always maintained that the update is Froyo, especially through their social media team. Here is a tweet from @SamsungEstabon (Estabon Contreras):

Yes. Froyo is coming. We said it'd be here in 2010. I want it just as much (I have an Epic 4g). Thanks for your patience all. #wehearyou

I really think it is unlikely that we will get gingerbread anytime soon because such good customer service is very unlike Samsung...

 

[sremick]

That sucks. I'm still probably going to get it after it is out a few months. Its to sexy to not have. Plus I think the Nexus S is just the way the Captivate and Fascinate SHOULD have been made.

Not without a MicroSD memory card slot, it's not. Dealbreaker there.

 

[EarlyMon]

Looking into my crystal ball....

Eenie, meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak...

Hey, Bullwinkle, I'll bet everyone is going back on topic in our family-friendly forum without any dirty bits, huh?

Why, shure, Rocky! No one wants a mod crashing the party.

 

[Jack45]

Samsung comments on Galaxy S Android 2.3 update - Pocket-lint

"Samsung has told Pocket-lint that it is unsure whether the latest version of Android, version 2.3, will be coming to the Samsung Galaxy S, following the announcement that its new flagship phone, the Samsung Nexus S, will be packing the new operating system when it launches later this month."​

 

[vapor311]

typical if you ask me. They spent so much time focusing on the new phone thats a step backwards from the captivate they have neglected the phones they could have moved forward with.

TBH honest has lost my business. To all of those who kept the nexus one. Your smart cookies.

 

[sremick]

Not that is necessarily applies to the Captivate, but for what it's worth:

"GalaxyS will be surely upgraded to gingerbeard." - Samsung Mobile India

 

[rubiconjp]

wow thanks that's good indication... and surely will fuel the now new Gingerbread discussions in this forum for years to come..

 

[vapor311]

india can say what they want, uk has froyo. us still has nothing.

enjoy.

 

[slewed]

Does anyone know of roms that work on the captivate this is my first android....leaving the hell i went through known as apple and id like to play around with some roms try it out see whatsup

 

[evileyez3]

Not to repeat info, but Engadget has something up now, too: Samsung undecided about Gingerbread on Galaxy S, Google says hardware needs 'similar' to Froyo -- Engadget

 

[reinbeau]

Does anyone know of roms that work on the captivate this is my first android....leaving the hell i went through known as apple and id like to play around with some roms try it out see whatsup

Your best bet is go to here and start reading and learning. They're all listed there. Right now I'm following Axura and Assonance. YMMV.

 

[Endoran]

If 2.2, let alone 2.3 (like said above this thread will be alive for years to come) isn't officially on my captivate before or on December 16th, 2010 I am going to XDA and deciding on the best ROM. When I first bought my phone I read all about hacking etc and decided to wait until 2.2 came out since I figured it would be sooner rather than later (I naively thought that Samsung wouldn't want to be outdone by HTC and Motorola, I failed to understand that Samsung is a fat cat and neither of the other two are, I also believed they would support the Galaxy S in a timely manner seeing how it was a world wide distribution).

I repeat the sentiments of a lot of U.S. Galaxy S owners, I am not ever going to buy a Samsung phone again (smoled be damned). HOWEVER, if by the chance of .00001% (yes that's a % sign so it makes the chance even smaller) the Captivate receives 2.3 (officially) on or before December 16th 2010 I will change my mind and buy another Samsung in the future. If I had the money I would sell my captivate right now and buy an iphone 4 (yes I am that ****ing mad at Samsung and there are NO OTHER android devices from at&t [on which I am stuck] that are worth getting imo). I know Samsung promised "by the end of the year" and the 16th is NOT the end of the year but that is when the Nexus S comes out with 2.3!!! coupled with the Galaxy Tab having 2.2 since release is just too much. Way too much mud in my face. We here on this forum are part of the minority customer base, the ones that actually inform themselves, companies don't like people like us. Which is ****ed up.

I do NOT buy top-tier state-of-the-art (expensive) phones just to be dropped from software support 4months later with a bunch of garbage non-answers and a subtle undertone of buy our new phone (I don't have the money AND I find it an insult to my intelligence). Just to answer the people who say, "buy a phone as is not what it will be" I call BS, Samsung promised 2.2 and "long term support" THUS buying the phone AS IS included long term support - although I suppose they didn't say "timely" long term support...hmmm. Updates are not optional!!!

I know Android doesn't have a security issue as of date but if it begins to which it could if it continues to grow then updates will become absolutely necessary for the security of your data - I'm surprised that security isn't an issue already I mean how many people use their phones to check their bank accounts or log into any number of their "secure" websites? I use my phone as I use my desktop; If I was a malicious hacker I'd see all these outdated smart phones as a gold mine of opportunity. Would anybody be OK with buying a desktop or a laptop and not getting any updates, and then coming to forums and being told "you bought the thing as is not for what it will be"? It's IMPLIED that you will get updates when you buy a desktop or a laptop and my damn cellphone is no different. I think it's sad that Android is leaving a bad taste in my mouth when it is a good OS, but it definitely has BUGS that reveal that it is a work in progress!! All software IS and all software NEEDS updates (even jesus errr apple releases updates to its god errr iPhone). I'll end with the repeated sentiments of others and myself that google is to blame for this and needs to include update requirements when licensing their OS.