Official Update to 2.3/Gingerbread?

[solmisation]

Here is one persons answer to the upgrade problems,
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[czechplastik]

Am I missing something but I just do not get this idea that there is any obligation to keep devices upgraded with the latest software.

If I buy a car it is because at the point that I make the purchase it represents the offer that best suits my needs or wallet. If it develops a fault I expect the vendor to put it right, and if the manufacturer discovers an issue which might develop in to a probelm I expect them to do a recall and fix it. But if they develop a new model with a better engine I do not expect them to upgrade my car.

This is actually a really good point. It's good that the manufacturers do but they really have no obligation. I do think all the MF skins and carrier branding is fragmenting Android a bit.

 

[SUroot]

GingerVillain, eh? That's quite a change for you, Mr Defrost! How's that working so far?

Very well. Its the same dev anyway

 

[biffa]

2.3 (Gingerbread) is only one version up from (froyo), (cupcake)

Donut added a great deal to Cupcake, but 2.0 / 2.1 Eclaire added quite a lot to Donut

Eclair and 2.1 Eclair versions

Enough already... i'm on my new year diet and that isn't helping Dan!!!

 

[SUroot]

Sorry

 

[Eris Ed]

Very well. Its the same dev anyway

Yeah, I noticed that. Gives me a good degree of confidence about GV.

Thinking about trying something new and GV is currently top of the list, once I'm satisfied I know the details about switching from a Sense based ROM.

 

[ThEGr33k]

This is actually a really good point. It's good that the manufacturers do but they really have no obligation. I do think all the MF skins and carrier branding is fragmenting Android a bit.

Ah but they do. Not in the litural sense though. I know though that if my current phone isnt kept upto date when I look at getting another ill go for a suplier that is more likely to. Which means loss of business for the none updater and gain in business for the updater. It seems pretty simple to me.

 

[SUroot]

Yeah, I noticed that. Gives me a good degree of confidence about GV.

Thinking about trying something new and GV is currently top of the list, once I'm satisfied I know the details about switching from a Sense based ROM.

yeah, its basically wipe and restore as little as possible.

I would restore via titanium Missing apps and data.

If you need sms and Call logs, restore with mybackup. These can be restored via Titanium but they're bundled in with system settings which are not a good idea.

 

[Eris Ed]

@Dan - that's kinda what I thought. I know a full wipe is needed this time, I would only restore missing apps and data, nothing else matters really and I know all my POP and Exchange email account settings by heart. Network settings should be on my SIM, which I remove when I flash anyway cos you never know with Orange

I assume the ROM will know what to do with my EXT3 partition?

 

[EmperorKabir]

Could anyone tell me what precisely they so desperately want from Gingerbread? From what I can tell, it's pretty much a nothing update.

It's all about Honeycomb and its UI overhaul.

I think the only thing that is maybe worth it is an HTC Sense overhaul, (to be fair, I want the 2.3 update for my archos 101 tablet more for an archos system redesign than the android itself.) But as far as the Desire goes, the only thing we might get is htcsense.com... which in itself is still a sort of alpha stage product.

I'm happy with the Desire (even though it does have some big flaws) until I get my next phone in September time (or was it early 2012? I forget.)

 

[widehead]

probably because the 5800 was the last decent phone Nokia made.

*throws an N86 8MP at Evil Genius*

TAKE THAT!

 

[SUroot]

*throws an N86 8MP at Evil Genius*

TAKE THAT!

Well when you haven't got an actual brick....

 

[SUroot]

@Dan - that's kinda what I thought. I know a full wipe is needed this time, I would only restore missing apps and data, nothing else matters really and I know all my POP and Exchange email account settings by heart. Network settings should be on my SIM, which I remove when I flash anyway cos you never know with Orange

I assume the ROM will know what to do with my EXT3 partition?

Yes it will, however it uses the dark tremor a2sd script which doesn't move dalvik cache as default. You have to set that in motion manually.

Its easy though. Download and install "Terminal emulator" from the market.

Run it and type "su" and press enter. Type "a2sd cachesd" and press enter. Your phone then reboots and dalvik cache is moved at next boot. Moves about 50MB for me.

 

[widehead]

Well when you haven't got an actual brick....

Sorry to say mine is approaching brick phase. I took it to my brothers wedding over the christmas break (before I got my DHD) and used it as my primary phone again for a week (shiver).

Great pictures. Great (tiny) AMOLED screen. Shame about Symbian.

Anyway, problem solved with pics now with the DHD. Although don't mention the battery life......

 

[Zaichik]

Could anyone tell me what precisely they so desperately want from Gingerbread? From what I can tell, it's pretty much a nothing update.

It looks like it will be the only way to use Playstation Suite. That's the only reason I want it.

 

[Yathushan]

It looks like it will be the only way to use Playstation Suite. That's the only reason I want it.

Well it depends how long you are planning to have your phone for. Because they are planning to release it roughly by the end of the year, which is a long way away. I think by that time I will have a new phone.

 

[Zaichik]

I won't - I always buy my phones sim free and it will be a few years before I am "allowed" to buy a new one!

 

[Yathushan]

Oh then by all means gingerbread will probably be your best bet. I am interested to see how sony is planning to handle the controls for each phone.

 

[deanshep85]

Could anyone tell me what precisely they so desperately want from Gingerbread? From what I can tell, it's pretty much a nothing update.

It's all about Honeycomb and its UI overhaul.

I think the only thing that is maybe worth it is an HTC Sense overhaul, (to be fair, I want the 2.3 update for my archos 101 tablet more for an archos system redesign than the android itself.) But as far as the Desire goes, the only thing we might get is htcsense.com... which in itself is still a sort of alpha stage product.

I'm happy with the Desire (even though it does have some big flaws) until I get my next phone in September time (or was it early 2012? I forget.)

to be fair the HTC Sense 'overhaul' which is Sense 2, hasn't got anything to do with Gingerbread at all......the Sense update is HTC whereas Gingerbread is Googles deal...

we're just hoping that *IF* The Desire gets the official 2.3 Gingerbread update, that HTC will also take us into account and give us the Sense 2 upgrade too....otherwise they could just gloss over it and just give us Gingerbread with the Sense UI we *ALREADY* have without the nice addons that the HD and Z are running..

though to be fair, ask most of the users on the Desire/HD/Z (and other Sense users) boards and they will say they got board/frustrated/angry at Sense and just replaced it with either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher..

 

[SUroot]

Sense 2.0 is glossy and crisp but other than htcsense.com, a slightly more organised customisation menu and changing the appearance of the dock, its as limited as what we already have.

 

[EmperorKabir]

to be fair the HTC Sense 'overhaul' which is Sense 2, hasn't got anything to do with Gingerbread at all......the Sense update is HTC whereas Gingerbread is Googles deal...

we're just hoping that *IF* The Desire gets the official 2.3 Gingerbread update, that HTC will also take us into account and give us the Sense 2 upgrade too....otherwise they could just gloss over it and just give us Gingerbread with the Sense UI we *ALREADY* have without the nice addons that the HD and Z are running..

though to be fair, ask most of the users on the Desire/HD/Z (and other Sense users) boards and they will say they got board/frustrated/angry at Sense and just replaced it with either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher..

oh i know, i realise they are independent but i was just making the assumption that they would combine the 2 if we are being realistic.

my point stands though that gingerbread didn't even seem worth it. They should have just combined it with upcoming honeycomb.

 

[ivoradev]

Am I missing something but I just do not get this idea that there is any obligation to keep devices upgraded with the latest software.

If I buy a car it is because at the point that I make the purchase it represents the offer that best suits my needs or wallet. If it develops a fault I expect the vendor to put it right, and if the manufacturer discovers an issue which might develop in to a probelm I expect them to do a recall and fix it. But if they develop a new model with a better engine I do not expect them to upgrade my car.

Well, this ain't a proper example .... you compare apples with melons ..

Smartphones are more or less close to computers /PCs,MACs ... etc/
Nobody buys a new hardware, when there is a new SP available, you get them for free. The only thing that might be alright, is, they could ask you to pay an upgrade so you can have it, but not completely let your device out of the picture. And if companies as MS or Apple demand money after 3-4 years for their new OS, don't see why Andoid should not be updated for free with everything new that comes for same time period. Not to mention that the linux based hw is updated for free anyway, each time including more hardware, not less. Why should it be different in the android world? So, yes, the HTC Desire is a present device, not some PII-300 model from 1993, and should be kept updated with all new stuff that HTC and Android makes. Buying each year a new phone, so you can have the last software is ridicuous and not normal /as it would be if we were using the car example/.

At the end, we do not ask them for bigger screen, or new display type or another hw change /going with the car example/ ... we just ask for the present software available, which is nothing different than the usual thing in the computer world.

 

[SUroot]

Well, this ain't a proper example .... you compare apples with melons ..

Smartphones are more or less close to computers /PCs,MACs ... etc/
Nobody buys a new hardware, when there is a new SP available.

Well ok,

Android 2.1 = XP
Android 2.1.1 = XP SP1

Android 2.2 = Vista
Android 2.2.1 = vista SP1

Android 2.3 = Win 7

So we're getting 1 better than Windows users already, since we went from "XP" to "Vista" for free.

However, with a PC, there will be third party drivers available (or OEM drivers) that will allow you to purchase a new version of windows, install the drivers and all will be ok. Thing is Windows is expensive itself.

If HTC released the drivers for the Desire that work on 2.3, perhaps it would be the same but they dont.

 

[deanshep85]

Thing is Windows is expensive itself.

tell me bout it....

 

[Hadron]

Android 2.2 = Vista

Froyo is not that bad!