Motorola Xoom Tablet Sales

[mulder_fbi]

Motorola Xoom Tablet Sales "Underwhelming"

“Xoom sales have been underwhelming. While marketing has just started we believe MMI will likely have to cut production if it already has not done so. We believe the device has been a bit buggy and did not meet the magic price point of $500. We believe management knows this and is hurrying development and production of lower cost tablets. Importantly we believe management will likely have to make the painful decision to accept little to no margin initially in order to match iPad 2’s wholesale pricing.”

 

[mrspeedmaster]

Irrelevant.
What matters is if the consumers who purchased are happy with them or not.

 

[knivesout]

Irrelevant.
What matters is if the consumers who purchased are happy with them or not.

Why so defensive? This is exactly what we all wanted: a wake-up call to Motorola, with the guy on the other end telling them their $800 price point is too high.

 

[ghodzilla5150]

This was inevitable. These guys just don't get it. The iPad is the King and coming in at $800 was going to put the Xoom D.O.A. Maybe too little too late now that the iPad 2 has been released and seems to be a better tablet. The Xoom is done.

 

[mobile1]

I want to "want" the XOOM. I have made three trips to either VZW or BB to play with it. The last two trips were with iPad 2 also on display. I just cannot see the subsidized price or even the rumored Sam's Club WiFi only price. The iPad wins for me.

I don't care about root or heavy customizations. I need weather applications for forecasting, chasing, & spotting along with a twitter application to manage multiple accounts. Throw in some Internet browsing and note taking in meetings and I am good to go.

I really gave the Samsung Tab a good once over today now that it is $199 at VZW. Made me think the XOOM might also see a significant price drop in a few months.

 

[dimitri407]

I want to "want" the XOOM. I have made three trips to either VZW or BB to play with it. The last two trips were with iPad 2 also on display. I just cannot see the subsidized price or even the rumored Sam's Club WiFi only price. The iPad wins for me.

I don't care about root or heavy customizations. I need weather applications for forecasting, chasing, & spotting along with a twitter application to manage multiple accounts. Throw in some Internet browsing and note taking in meetings and I am good to go.

I really gave the Samsung Tab a good once over today now that it is $199 at VZW. Made me think the XOOM might also see a significant price drop in a few months.

To each his own. As for me, I got this for a good price and haven't looked back. Only forward. So if the ipad is for, then it's for you. I like knowing that I can do major customization and have root and have control of my device. But that is me. Good luck with the ipad.

 

[ghodzilla5150]

To each his own. As for me, I got this for a good price and haven't looked back. Only forward. So if the ipad is for, then it's for you. I like knowing that I can do major customization and have root and have control of my device. But that is me. Good luck with the ipad.

I like having the ability to root and customize too, but sometimes you just want your device to work right out of the box without rooting it. BTW - Have you ever heard of Jailbreak? You can root your iDevices with Jailbreak and it's the same as rooting with Android. So if I wanted I could have full control over my iDevices too. iOS has a great dev community as well.

 

[dimitri407]

I like having the ability to root and customize too, but sometimes you just want your device to work right out of the box without rooting it. BTW - Have you ever heard of Jailbreak? You can root your iDevices with Jailbreak and it's the same as rooting with Android. So if I wanted I could have full control over my iDevices too. iOS has a great dev community as well.

Like I said before. To each his own.

 

[howarmat]

for what i paid i love it and would never look back....but there was no way i was going to spend close to $950 for everything.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

I like knowing that I can do major customization and have root and have control of my device. But that is me. Good luck with the ipad.

Did you know jailbreaking GIVES you more customization options?
Once you bring in the root meme, Android and iOS are on equal footing. All the customization arguments go away.

Jailbreak is the same thing as rooting- to gain super user access. In fact, it is even more powerful than the typical android type roots.
Once you jailbreak, you are complete root. There is no SuperUser app to allow permissions. You don't need to install BusyBox to run POSIX commands.

A Jailbroken iOS is more "bare-metal" than an Android root. For example, tethering and server apps are still wrapped in APKs on Android. You need drop-bear if you want an SSH server or wifi-tether on Android.
On the iOS, it can be pure command-line. Cydia uses Debian style installers so a lot of Debian ARM apps just ports over. There are lots of Linux apps on iOS. More-so than Android.

E.G. I've seen Apache, MySQL and PHP5 run on iOS.

There is even a GCC toolchain. That means, you can actually download source code, develop code, program and compile applications on the phone itself. That is the ultimate level of customization and freedom.

I had a friend who downloaded UAE, DosBox, and some other emulator and he compiled the apps straight from his iPhone.
Nokia Maemo/Meego source files written for ARM is very easy to port to iOS.

So, if you want to compare rooting vs jailbreaking, I would say jailbreak wins for the power user who is comfortable w/ POSIX, UNIX, LINUX and OSX.
You then have access to over hundreds, and hundreds of GNU apps. You don't even need an SDK.

Not many people know the significance of rooting/jailbreak. I'd venture to say a lot of people on this board have no concept of UIDs and what root really means.

To them, it means a free way to tether or install a new ROM. Yes Android allows you to easy root. It is equally easy to Jailbreak too.

 

[rushmore]

Did you know jailbreaking GIVES you more customization options?
Once you bring in the root meme, Android and iOS are on equal footing. All the customization arguments go away.

Jailbreak is the same thing as rooting- to gain super user access. In fact, it is even more powerful than the typical android type roots.
Once you jailbreak, you are complete root. There is no SuperUser app to allow permissions. You don't need to install BusyBox to run POSIX commands.

A Jailbroken iOS is more "bare-metal" than an Android root. For example, tethering and server apps are still wrapped in APKs on Android. You need drop-bear if you want an SSH server or wifi-tether on Android.
On the iOS, it can be pure command-line. Cydia uses Debian style installers so a lot of Debian ARM apps just ports over. There are lots of Linux apps on iOS. More-so than Android.

E.G. I've seen Apache, MySQL and PHP5 run on iOS.

There is even a GCC toolchain. That means, you can actually download source code, develop code, program and compile applications on the phone itself. That is the ultimate level of customization and freedom.

I had a friend who downloaded UAE, DosBox, and some other emulator and he compiled the apps straight from his iPhone.
Nokia Maemo/Meego source files written for ARM is very easy to port to iOS.

So, if you want to compare rooting vs jailbreaking, I would say jailbreak wins for the power user who is comfortable w/ POSIX, UNIX, LINUX and OSX.
You then have access to over hundreds, and hundreds of GNU apps. You don't even need an SDK.

Not many people know the significance of rooting/jailbreak. I'd venture to say a lot of people on this board have no concept of UIDs and what root really means.

To them, it means a free way to tether or install a new ROM. Yes Android allows you to easy root. It is equally easy to Jailbreak too.

True and the bonus of no byte code layer. Still, there is no Flash or USB host that I want.

 

[Old Member]

I've read this story before . . .

Nexus One Sales Are Lackluster, What's To Blame for Nexus One's Lackluster Sales?, Nexus One is a Flop: 74 Days in just 135,000 sold.

Google seems to see their flagship devices as a way to showcase the possibilities of their OS. It wasn't the N1 that took 1/3 of the smart phone market, but it was the N1 that inspired others to help Android take 1/3 of the smart phone market. The N1 was what could be. It inspired my Incredible, the EVO, Thunderbolt, etc. The Xoom won't sell enough units to be in the same ballpark as the iPad2 BUT by the end of the year ANDROID and Honeycomb will be on enough devices to take a significant chunk of the action from Apple. Google will laugh all the way to the bank. They have nearly zero risk, reap the rewards and showcase their dreams while others make them better.

So yeah, sales are sluggish . . . I'm shocked

 

[RickInHouston]

I think if Motorola was able to do a full launch, it would have looked different for them. When Gingerbread's anniversary rolls around is when numbers are really going to be affected, I feel.

 

[Big Calhoun]

Why so defensive? This is exactly what we all wanted: a wake-up call to Motorola, with the guy on the other end telling them their $800 price point is too high.

A 32GB Ipad 2 is $729. A 64GB Ipad 2 is $829. Neither has the option of a subsidized price with AT&T or VzW. The price of the Xoom is currently aligned with that of a comparable iPad.

There is no COMPARABLE 16GB, WiFi only $500 option available from Motorola at this time. Perhaps that is an opportunity for Motorola to examine. But, these 'analysts' are a joke.

 

[Zellster]

Moto should have made this a "Loss Leader" to build market share and brand. I bought one because my company paid for it and all of the accessories. I wouldn't have bought it if it was "my money" because of the cost. I have no interest in Apple products. I'm not joining the "Incremental Improvement Treadmill" that Apple has its followers on.

 

[sookster54]

Well, it being a 10" is why it isn't on my to buy list, but being in Canada, the lack of Motorola support (or caring about non-US customers) is also the other reason. I have a few 7" tablets on my list to wait for, the 10" is probably part of why it's been underwhelming, the iPad is irrelevant because Jobs is good at getting people to buy his stuff even if the customer doesn't need it.

 

[bourne]

A 32GB Ipad 2 is $729. A 64GB Ipad 2 is $829. Neither has the option of a subsidized price with AT&T or VzW. The price of the Xoom is currently aligned with that of a comparable iPad.

There is no COMPARABLE 16GB, WiFi only $500 option available from Motorola at this time. Perhaps that is an opportunity for Motorola to examine. But, these 'analysts' are a joke.

Thanks for bringing this up. People keep comparing a wifi only ipad to a 3g/4g xoom and accuse Motorola of being too expensive. When you compare like for like models, prices are competitive. In addition to the prices you gave, the 32gb wifi xoom will be $600 which is the same as a 32gb wifi ipad.

Motorola's problem is not the pricing, it's their lack of options. They should have at least released wifi and 4g models at the same time.

 

[ctxx24]

If some of you hate the xoom so much why do you keep coming in here? i just dont get it... go to the forums that please you..

 

[FragDroidX]

If some of you hate the xoom so much why do you keep coming in here? i just dont get it... go to the forums that please you..

Its just a bunch of Isheep with xoomenvy.

 

[3devious]

Well, it probably would make his job easier if you would go play with your iPad2 and stopped smearing sourgrape juice all over the place.

We get it. Some guy that has no role in our lives feels that we wasted out money and can't stand it that no one wants to join him in burning cars in Motorola's parking lot.

 

[Old Member]

A mod just thanked a post telling people to leave this forum.

No I think the mod thanked a post that says stop coming in here and posting flaming threads. You are fortunate that he didn't post to tell you to cut it out and lock this thread.

 

[BoozeRob]

Every other comment in this forum is "iDevices suck" and "isheep need simple devices". I've seen xoom supporters harrass, belittle, even cuss at non xoom supporters. None of this is flaming but a discussion about sales numbers is flaming.

If you like the xoom, that's great. If you don't want to discuss xoom sales numbers, that's great too. But not everyone see values in, "say the xoom is great or leave".

Seriously, why are you here?

 

[knivesout]

Seriously, why are you here?

If one is not here to feed people's confirmation bias and sing praise of glory to the Xoom, they are not welcome?

 

[3devious]

Every other comment in this forum is "iDevices suck" and "isheep need simple devices". I've seen xoom supporters harrass, belittle, even cuss at non xoom supporters. None of this is flaming but a discussion about sales numbers is flaming.

If you like the xoom, that's great. If you don't want to discuss xoom sales numbers, that's great too. But not everyone see values in, "say the xoom is great or leave".

Yeah, you were harrassed. That doesn't mean that you weren't being a huge jerk and taking every chance you could (even sometimes just making crap up) to make the Xoom look bad because it can't compare to an iPad. Just because some people took it farther than you did does not mean that you weren't behaving badly, too.

I think if anyone else posted this thread, it would not have been received the way that it has. That isn't fair I know, but it is the whole CNN vs Fox News thing. Everyone who has been reading what you have written knows that you're mad that the Xoom costs so much, was shipped too early and isn't an iPad.

I don't mind speculating on the reason behind the sales results and if anyone could believe that you were genuinely interested in doing so, that might have happened here. I also don't mind people not finding value in the Xoom, but to make constant post after post about it borders on flaming in my opinion.

I'm going to stop trying to lecture you about acting like a jilted prom date and ignore your cycle of baiting, arguing and then acting like a victim. You don't have to like the Xoom. This goes for people who "want to like the Xoom" as well. Just don't talk out of your ass about it and I won't call you on it. Not everyone who is annoyed by your behavior is mad that you don't agree with them.

 

[vasilator]

If one is not here to feed people's confirmation bias and sing praise of glory to the Xoom, they are not welcome?

Sure seems that way sometimes. I actually like feedback on both sides of the spectrum, however the bickering makes it frustrating coming here.

It currently own a zoom and an Ipad (1st gen), and when comparing the two it is darn close for my needs.

The main thing is I just don't see this pushing the android tablet market. IMO we need apps. and need them fast to keep up. I worry that we will have to deal with Ipad apps. converted to the zoom which is unacceptable IMO.

The feel of the Ipad 2 is just amazing compared to the zoom and it's not even close. Feel's so much lighter and the the touch screen just seems smoother overall.

I really want to love the zoom but for the price it's just not justifiable. The Ipad just works better regardless of the specs as of right now. If the wifi model is the same price as Apple I fear that it really won't make much of a difference in the sales.

Moto really screwed this one up IMHO.