EVO 3D Rumor Mill

[T-44Guy]

You can't always get what you now can you?

With the rumors of Sprint possibly moving to LTE, I want to be ahead of the game. If you could roam on LTE between Sprint/Verizon life would be awesome. But if you are stuck on WiMax then u are missing out.

 

[EarlyMon]

Similarly, if you can't buy a phone that does LTE Advanced, WiMAX 2.0 and GSM with HSUPA+, you're missing out.

 

[T-44Guy]

I wonder if the 3D will be the last EVO built? I hope not...

 

[WifiMaxed]

Watched old school video comparing EVO 4G vs IPhone4 video capture. EVO3D being reported as having the same rated MP camera as IPhone4. Guess this would give an idea what video will look like on EVO3D. Course EVO3D will be full 1080p in 2D video capture. I guess we can expect better quality than one in the YouTube video. Best to watch in HQ.
YouTube - iPhone 4 vs HTC EVO - Video Sample

 

[themuffinman75]

EVO3D being reported as having the same rated MP camera as IPhone4. Guess this would give an idea what video will look like on EVO3D.

Uhh mp has nothing to do with the quality of the video being taken so saying that the E3D video capability will be similar to the iphone4 because they have the same mp camera means absolutely nothing.

 

[BlueScreen]

I wonder if the 3D will be the last EVO built? I hope not...

Not likely, Increase broadband speed, increase in graphic features, and people wanting to run more processes in the back ground with out device lag. However, I do hope it keeps the "3D" feature in future EVO's . Besides, I don't see needing to upgrade for a long time. I can't see much in the way of taxing this current Dual core setup. It's proven to have plenty of umph and room to grow.
Latest GLbenmark numbers posted using Qualcomm MDP MSM8660 device shows EVO 3D "future" potential. "Spdy" started a thread about it here. http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/309941-sooo-anyone-check-out-gl-benchmarks-3ds-processor.html
I think it would be nice at launch to announce EVO 3D shipping at 1.5ghz. They'll insist on modest clock speeds to max out battery life. Keep battery campers happy. Performance already has improved w/o needing OC by way of tweaks/updates.
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[lordofthereef]

I don't see needing to upgrade for a long time. I can't see much in the way of taxing this current Dual core setup.

The famous last words of just about every top end device known to man. Where there is a will, there is a way! (FWIW even on this site there are more people that don't even see upgrading from their EVOs).

 

[alcohol]

With the rumors of Sprint possibly moving to LTE, I want to be ahead of the game. If you could roam on LTE between Sprint/Verizon life would be awesome. But if you are stuck on WiMax then u are missing out.

Yeah, that would be amazing.

It would be idealistic if LTE spectrum is auctioned and whichever company buys it owns the rights in that area.
Then there is a roaming agreement between all 3 carriers for each others LTE network.

This would save so much money (not building 3 different networks), spectrum, and it would be great incentive to have LTE nationwide.

Instead we are going to have 3 different companies that cannot afford to build a national LTE network which will mean we're going to have 3 different LTE networks in the same cities while rural areas will still be on 2G.

 

[lordofthereef]

Yeah, that would be amazing.

It would be idealistic if LTE spectrum is auctioned and whichever company buys it owns the rights in that area.
Then there is a roaming agreement between all 3 carriers for each others LTE network.

This would save so much money (not building 3 different networks), spectrum, and it would be great incentive to have LTE nationwide.

Instead we are going to have 3 different companies that cannot afford to build a national LTE network which will mean we're going to have 3 different LTE networks in the same cities while rural areas will still be on 2G.

I think we would also have much stricter data caps as well, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but something that here in America we can't seem to accept. In that regard we need to take example from our European brothers.

 

[EarlyMon]

No thanks, let them learn from us.

 

[lordofthereef]

No thanks, let them learn from us.

I am not sure if this was sarcasm or seriousness. If sarcasm, disregard this entire post.

You can't seriously be expecting for us to maintain all you can eat data plans alongside the blazing speeds and land coverage that people are demanding, can you? Here in America we consume (almost everything) in excess. We demand the unlimited plan because it sounds better, while the majority of people consuming well under 1GB data a month are paying the same as the much smaller group consuming 10's-100's of GB of data per month.

 

[EarlyMon]

It was slightly tongue-in-cheek (they do things right we don't) but not at all sarcasm.

I don't naively believe that we have unlimited resources.

I do know that it's possible that LTE was rushed out as part of the 4G marketing war and wasn't necessarily the best technical choice - it's being touted as latest and greatest - it's not - and it's being compared to the Sprint / Clearwire WiMAX debacle where costs are concerned.

First - I'm against selling one thing and then giving another - Dan Hesse recently said he agrees - Sprint Sticks to Its Unlimited Data Guns With New Ad [Video]

Second - WiMAX 2.0 at 300 Mbps was recently codified by the IEEE - IEEE approves next generation WiMAX standard, invites you to meet 802.16m -- Engadget so that and LT Advanced were already on the horizon when this LTE-nonsense move was committed to.

Third - Sprint recently show-cased their new-build tower electronics, where a single, relatively small chassis now replaces a bunch of bulky boxes at the tower base (more capability, significant cost reduction) and a number of micro-celluar 4G tower boxes were shown for sale a few months back - the size of lunchboxes and suitable for mounting on lamp posts.

So - I simply caution against putting the cart before the horse, and not taking anything the carriers say on face value and then coming to what seems like reasonable conclusions - because you very well might draw different conclusions with different information as a basis.

And that included not comparing to countries with different buit-out rates, costs and regulations - but more importantly - let's be careful what we ask for, because we just might get it.

 

[lordofthereef]

Thanks for that informative post.

My question is then, in your opinion, can we sustain unlimited data at an affordable level (I suppose the rates we have now are affordable - just so there is a difnition of "affordable" on the table) with nationwide coverage? I personally just see that as a monumental task.

When I was with ATT, people who didn't yet have 3G coverage were up in arms because areas that already had 3G were the ones getting upgraded so that they would have a more reliable experience. Those that already had 3G were up in arms that it wasn't good enough. All the while people were eating bandwidth like no tomorrow (I actually remember seeing charts with the iPhone boom increasing their traffic tenfold). I just don't see the US carriers being able to keep up with the bleeding edge speeds and all the while providing each and every user with unlimited access. Obviously, I do hope I am wrong. I will say that I, for one, see no issues with stopping those that 'abuse' their data plans. I have seen people proudly state that they used 50GB+ the last month and yet we wonder where the network congestion comes from. I am not sure I am pushing that on my landline while watching netflix for an hour or so on a daily basis.

I used European countries as an example because they seem to impose caps on data but are then able to rapidly expand their footprint. Don't get me wrong, I am intimately aware that comparing a single (or a couple) EU countries to America in land-mass alone is ignorant, for lack of better words, but I personally don't see it as so over the top. In some ways, I don't see it as so very different from what many companies (such as Sprint) do in chargin extra for roaming. Perhaps if they weren't so worried about setting up blazing fast unlimited data in a very limited setting (thus dumping most of their money into only a handful of locations), they could expand their current network to provide thos non-roaming speeds to many more people. America's gluttony for data in big cities seems to halt this.

I suppose I should also comment on companies saying you get one thing and giving you another as well. Frankly, I agree with you. That said, this is not what I was proposing, or condoning, or anything along those lines. AFAIK, the EU lines make it very clear what you are getting with your data package. I think the current ATT pricing model does it the most like they do in Europe.

 

[EarlyMon]

My question is then, in your opinion, can we sustain unlimited data at an affordable level (I suppose the rates we have now are affordable - just so there is a difnition of "affordable" on the table) with nationwide coverage? I personally just see that as a monumental task.

Not shirking the question at all - but honestly, I don't enough information to come to a conclusion by quantifiable means - only qualitative ones.

So, while we're trying to puzzle out what costs what, I can only say that they're taking in $8+ billion a year, and creative accounting for the tax man is surely involved in their earnings statements.

And with the cost of 4G plummeting while capacities increase, I think it's equally possible that the task is monumental - or it just takes the corporate will to lead rather than to follow.

You see now what I meant by the frustration of a qualitative decision without data.

 

[lordofthereef]

Hey, nothing wrong with forming an opinion with what you got, right? I can certainly respect your point of view, however. Perhaps I see things oversimplified, but a larger, faster network means more customers and more money in. If they have the means, what the heck are they waiting for? Unless of course they want to give us the least amount that we will still be happy or content with, which is also possible.

 

[viber]

I am not sure if this was sarcasm or seriousness. If sarcasm, disregard this entire post.

You can't seriously be expecting for us to maintain all you can eat data plans alongside the blazing speeds and land coverage that people are demanding, can you? Here in America we consume (almost everything) in excess. We demand the unlimited plan because it sounds better, while the majority of people consuming well under 1GB data a month are paying the same as the much smaller group consuming 10's-100's of GB of data per month.

Unless you own a block of shares in Sprint stock, how they provide unlimited data is irrelevant to you.

I think you've talked yourself into going to Verizon/Thunderbolt.

You want LTE
You want a kickstand
You want data limits
You want a recessed camera

That's Verizon, so just change over and make yourself happy.

 

[cmanbrazil]

Data cap? Carriers are pushing people to phones that are quick, streaming, at a low cost, and then they want to whine about capping data?

 

[jdsingle]

I will say that I, for one, see no issues with stopping those that 'abuse' their data plans. I have seen people proudly state that they used 50GB+ the last month and yet we wonder where the network congestion comes from. I am not sure I am pushing that on my landline while watching netflix for an hour or so on a daily basis.

I suppose I should also comment on companies saying you get one thing and giving you another as well. Frankly, I agree with you. That said, this is not what I was proposing, or condoning, or anything along those lines. AFAIK, the EU lines make it very clear what you are getting with your data package. I think the current ATT pricing model does it the most like they do in Europe.

IDK how people use 50GB a month...but not sure how someone could have an issue with it when they are paying for "unlimited" data. If I pay for unlimited data, that means, I want unlimited data. Not, hey, if i am using a ton of bandwidth because I paid for an unlimited data plan please cap me...if this is your issue, hop over on VZ. They shut down "abusive use"

Unless you own a block of shares in Sprint stock, how they provide unlimited data is irrelevant to you.

I think you've talked yourself into going to Verizon/Thunderbolt.

You want LTE
You want a kickstand
You want data limits
You want a recessed camera

That's Verizon, so just change over and make yourself happy.

This made me LOL

 

[skipintexas]

HI all!

I'm new here, this is going to be my first post. I'm considering switching to Sprint, and have been shopping for plans and devices. I'm VERY interested in the EVO 3d, and wanted to ask a quick question in the hopes that the very knowledgeable folks here can help me to understand...

I read the comment from Bluescreen that "...the EVO 3d specs are set in stone and well known"....well, I have a hardware question. Where is the charging port on the EVO 3d going to be? Will it be on the bottom or the side? It may well seem a silly question, but I travel on business a LOT, and I use the Google Maps talking turn by turn directions a lot....(I'm kinda directionally challenged) and a plug sticking out of the side makes it very difficult or nearly impossible to put my device into a car phone holder....this is actually almost a deal breaker to me.

Thanks for your time, and I hope someone can help me!
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[WifiMaxed]

Some online retail store posted this ad about unlocked version of EVO 3D.
Unlocked GSM HTC EVO 3D on Etailer Pre-order?

 

[BenChase7]

HI all!

I'm new here, this is going to be my first post. I'm considering switching to Sprint, and have been shopping for plans and devices. I'm VERY interested in the EVO 3d, and wanted to ask a quick question in the hopes that the very knowledgeable folks here can help me to understand...

I read the comment from Bluescreen that "...the EVO 3d specs are set in stone and well known"....well, I have a hardware question. Where is the charging port on the EVO 3d going to be? Will it be on the bottom or the side? It may well seem a silly question, but I travel on business a LOT, and I use the Google Maps talking turn by turn directions a lot....(I'm kinda directionally challenged) and a plug sticking out of the side makes it very difficult or nearly impossible to put my device into a car phone holder....this is actually almost a deal breaker to me.

Thanks for your time, and I hope someone can help me!
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Not a silly question, IMO. The charging port (now actually hdmi and usb/charging in one, a new tech known as HML) is on the side of the EVO 3d. I prefer the bottom as well, but as far as car phone holder, there will be docks for your car made to hold the phone with a charging port built in, so it really should'nt effect you, at least not in this particular scenario.

Something like this, I would imagine: http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-HTC-S...00428C5DQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/183-7230236-2784404
The cord actually connects to the base of the dock, where the suction cup is.

 

[WifiMaxed]

well this is awesome gl benchmark 3.0 is released. I guess this is for mobile devices supporting 3d. maybe will soon see some mobile devices battling it out in 3d content. Go EVO 3D!

GLBenchmark: mobile OpenGL ES benchmarks

 

[thelonewizard]

well this is awesome gl benchmark 3.0 is released. I guess this is for mobile devices supporting 3d. maybe will soon see some mobile devices battling it out in 3d content. Go EVO 3D!

GLBenchmark: mobile OpenGL ES benchmarks

I feel that once everything is finalized, these benchmarks will mean a lot more. This phone is a beast of a machine as it is.

 

[BlueScreen]

Those wondering about Netflix and MSM8660. The DRM libs have been installed. Wait and see at moment if Netflix will be allowed at launch with EVO 3D.

YouTube - Netflix Watch Instantly for Android at Qualcomm Booth

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[BlueScreen]

"NFC out in the wild" Google has started test bedding retailers with NFC in my hometown of Portland, Or. If you walk around town you will see "NFC Connect" labels on the front of businesses where you normally see supported consumer credit cards.
I can't comment on EVO 3D supporting NFC at this moment, but if you do a good enough search you may find the answers your looking for. Here is a couple places to get you started.

Gigamesh, claiming himself to be a Sprint rep talks about EVO 3D having NFC Chip
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epi...ate-zip/?PHPSESSID=1i0au6umdutsm8d30eqgcc9dn3

Another place how NFC is Android 2.3.3 "Gingerbread" specific. You can read about here. NFC Gets More Flexible with "Open NFC" for Android

Further searching will find that Sprint has already announced support of Smartphone commerce utilizing RFID protocols by mid 2011. ATT and VZW don't plan to support this until 2012. Major NFC hold up for any phone at the moment is the amount of collaboration required by entities participating in NFC program. I do like Googles approach to keep personal information already setup in your Google account and access being made only by you by approving it on your device.
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