No new version of Sense 3.0 upgrade for the Thunderbolt!

[sean76]

So as per Engadget this morning, and coming straight from HTC themselves...Us Thunderbolt owners will not be getting the new version of sense when an update for Gingerbread gets pushed out. Its been said that it can only support its newer devices, like the Sensation, and EVO 3D...
Well doesn't that just stink!

 

[mdeblaz]

Wow... this is the most disheartening part about their devices. So Sense3.0 will only work on dual-core devices...

Imagine Microsoft did this every time they released a new version of Windows? Would you buy a new computer every time? Sure, they already do this, in a sense... but you can still use old, sometimes very old, hardware on a new version of Windows... Even Apple allows this...

 

[atrain311]

This bums me out.

 

[AustinTech]

What does Sense 3.0 do that 2.0 doesn't?

Hopefully it gets rid of the personalize button. Worthless thing.

 

[jreed2560]

Listen guys, just because it doesn't come from HTC doesn't mean we won't get it!

 

[BzB]

i'm pretty sure the XDA devs will take care of us rooted users who want sense 3.0.

for everyone else who isn't rooted that does stink. only thing you can hope for is maybe the HTC guy who said only dual cores will get 3.0 doesn't know all the facts and yapped his mouth too soon...

 

[Deleted User]

See, now *this* pisses me off. This isn't just hardware marching on, getting better with time...this is planned obsolescence.

 

[mdeblaz]

See, now *this* pisses me off. This isn't just hardware marching on, getting better with time...this is planned obsolescence.

Exactly... I can take the hardware differences - every device has them (except Apple... hmm maybe they're onto something), but software is software, it's easily upgradeable. BS that they decided they just will not upgrade their old phones... heck, the Thunderbolt isn't even old.

I think this news also gives sean76 more validity in his other thread. If HTC is planning the software obsolescence and their reason is due to hardware capabilities... then you can damn well believe that sean76 is right about the hardware argument. Simple logic.

 

[Left Coast DJ]

Using Launcher Pro has made Sense on my Thunderbolt moot.


Edit: I don't think this is some HTC conspiracy to force people to upgrade and spend more money. I think Sense is hardware accelerated. So it makes sense (lulz) that newer versions are optimized for the faster processors, especially dual core ones. If I was HTC, I'd put my resources and workforce into developing newer software and hardware than trying to keep people who own older hardware updated. The average consumer, other than the geeks here on the Forum, is probably so comfortable with the user interface of their phone and most likely will not want to update it anyway.

 

[UBRocked]

Listen guys, just because it doesn't come from HTC doesn't mean we won't get it!

And the hacking/development community was one of the biggest factors for me buying the TB over the Bionic. I've already seen talk about porting Sense3.0 over to the TB and I'm sure we'll have it eventually.

Whether or not you should have to root to get 3.0 is a different story...but I'm glad it will be an option.

 

[Stevessvt]

This just in on Facebook:
HTC
Clarification: There are aspects of the latest HTC Sense that won’t work on some of our previous devices. We are working to incorporate other aspects that will. Stay tuned.

 

[BzB]

See, now *this* pisses me off. This isn't just hardware marching on, getting better with time...this is planned obsolescence.

it's definitely planned obsolescence, but isn't this also the way technology advancements work? for example, in the PC market some computers that were high end for their time aren't compatible with newer versions of windows due to hardware constraints. in the same vein, when HTC develops new versions of their software they're likely trying to take advantage of new opportunities provided by hardware advancements. at some point you have to move beyond the constraints of older tech and focus on the capabilities of newer tech, right? or am i misunderstanding your point...entirely possible.

I think this news also gives sean76 more validity in his other thread. If HTC is planning the software obsolescence and their reason is due to hardware capabilities... then you can damn well believe that sean76 is right about the hardware argument. Simple logic.

these seem like two different issues. the other thread was really about when a carrier released a phone that had long been available to them. VZW sat on it so long that it was closer to obsolescence when they finally did release it. that was not under HTC control. this thread is about HTC developing software for newer hardware and intentionally leaving older hardware out. two different scenarios with two different culprits.


edit:

and this announcement by HTC about sense 3.0 capability could also be damaging to VZW sales of the TB. HTC will probably be clarifying their statement about sense 3.0 very shortly or downplaying which devices will and won't be able to run specific sense features.

 

[sean76]

Exactly... I can take the hardware differences - every device has them (except Apple... hmm maybe they're onto something), but software is software, it's easily upgradeable. BS that they decided they just will not upgrade their old phones... heck, the Thunderbolt isn't even old.

I think this news also gives sean76 more validity in his other thread. If HTC is planning the software obsolescence and their reason is due to hardware capabilities... then you can damn well believe that sean76 is right about the hardware argument. Simple logic.

Thank you for that quote...
In my eyes it's just crazy that HTC wasn't looking at any of this being a problem. This is one very good reason why the TB should have came with a dual core. HTC has probably been hard at work at that new version of sense for some time. I would have thought someone would have said, hold up the Premier 4G device being the TB won't be able to run our newest software because of its single core. Hey maybe we should put our dual core in this baby. It's just blind, and not very good customer related business, that your shunning your devices that aren't even a few months old....not cool in my book. This doesn't diminish the fact that the TB is not a very good capable phone, however it's hardware will be a handicap moving forward into 2011, and that was theory within a few of my threads. Yes still a great phone, but missing a few key components. If Apple pulled a stunt like this the Apple heads would be rioting outside of Steve Jobs house. Imagine a year old Apple iPhone not being able to run the newest software? Nope, cause they know better then to piss of they're loyal following....not cool HTC, not cool at all.

 

[sean76]

@ bzb...

No its really not 2 different issues, I said the TB should have came with a dual core, and now were hearing the TB can't run sense 3.0 because of it having a single core processor. That is a very BIG hardware handicap in my eyes moving deeper into 2011. But like some have said, when there's a will, there's a way. Just a little let down that this won't be OTA with Gingerbread. Shunning a device that's a month old is not good business practice by HTC at all.

 

[BzB]

@ bzb...

No its really not 2 different issues, I said the TB should have came with a dual core, and now were hearing the TB can't run sense 3.0 because of it having a single core processor. That is a very BIG hardware handicap in my eyes moving deeper into 2011. But like some have said, when there's a will, there's a way. Just a little let down that this won't be OTA with Gingerbread. Shunning a device that's a month old is not good business practice by HTC at all.

as i recall you allocated blame to HTC because VZW released a phone that was outdated. well if HTC gave the phone to VZW last year, but VZW wasn't ready to release it until this year i still don't understand how it's HTC fault that the phone was outdated when it was released. maybe you can explain why it's HTC fault that VZW released the phone late?

not trying to argue, trying to understand why you blame HTC when they can't force VZW to release a phone.

although the TB may have been on the market only a month, technically it's a device that is based on last year's technology (it's the USA version of the Desire Z that was released on the other side of the pond in Nov 2010). i knew this when i bought the phone and i also knew it was not going to be dual core. read up on the desire z and you'll see it's the same hardware as the TB.

personally i don't see the TB probably not getting sense 3.0 as a very big deal (rooted users will get it anyway), although it does stink that it may not get it officially. we all knew this wasn't a dual core phone when we bought it and we also knew that if we wanted dual core we would have to wait for the bionic or wait later in the year for the HTC dual core phone to be released on VZW.

 

[ska.t73]

This just in on Facebook:
HTC
Clarification: There are aspects of the latest HTC Sense that won

 

[MongolStomp]

This quote seems to mean that the TB will get an update to Sense, it might not be exact 3.0, but it looks like they are planing to incororate what they can into an update for the TB and other devices.

This would be a good thing.

I want the lockscreen and carousel look, but what else is there?

 

[redraider1]

See, now *this* pisses me off. This isn't just hardware marching on, getting better with time...this is planned obsolescence.

Why because you cant get sense 3.0? Come on they already said they would update it to gingerbread you guys get worked up so easily damn relax take a chill pill it will be alright

 

[redraider1]

@ bzb...

No its really not 2 different issues, I said the TB should have came with a dual core, and now were hearing the TB can't run sense 3.0 because of it having a single core processor. That is a very BIG hardware handicap in my eyes moving deeper into 2011. But like some have said, when there's a will, there's a way. Just a little let down that this won't be OTA with Gingerbread. Shunning a device that's a month old is not good business practice by HTC at all.

You knew this when you got the phone so idk why every other day you are complaining about something with the tb. If you dont like it and expect it to get all the latest updates then return it wait for a dual core from HTC. The Evo never got sense 2.0 so why would this be any different?

 

[sean76]

as i recall you allocated blame to HTC because VZW released a phone that was outdated. well if HTC gave the phone to VZW last year, but VZW wasn't ready to release it until this year i still don't understand how it's HTC fault that the phone was outdated when it was released. maybe you can explain why it's HTC fault that VZW released the phone late?

not trying to argue, trying to understand why you blame HTC when they can't force VZW to release a phone.

although the TB may have been on the market only a month, technically it's a device that is based on last year's technology (it's the USA version of the Desire Z that was released on the other side of the pond in Nov 2010). i knew this when i bought the phone and i also knew it was not going to be dual core. read up on the desire z and you'll see it's the same hardware as the TB.

personally i don't see the TB probably not getting sense 3.0 as a very big deal (rooted users will get it anyway), although it does stink that it may not get it officially. we all knew this wasn't a dual core phone when we bought it and we also knew that if we wanted dual core we would have to wait for the bionic or wait later in the year for the HTC dual core phone to be released on VZW.

The TB was leaked very late in 2010, And most thought it would come in the First month of 2011. Even still with all they're development don't you think someone at HTC knew this phone wouldn't be capable of handling its newer software, meaning 3.0? This phone was and still is a very big deal for VZW, being its they're first LTE phone. So why not just throw a dual core in it? Especially if it won't be able to run its next roll out of sense. Not a good look that new software needs the new hardware to work. Like I said, imagine if Apple did this! They would be getting blasted from every angle. So essentially we'll have Sprint's new Flagship HTC device, the EVO 3D running the new version, we'll have T-Mobile's Flagship device, the Sensation running the new version, and our 3 month old Flagship phone from VZW, the Thunderbolt won't be able to because its lacking in the Hardware dept. That to me is just crazy! I said a couple of times in various threads and posts...Give us the new version of Sense with Gingerbread and this phone will be absolutely awesome, and all will forgivin for the crazy delays and the lack of hardware.
Now this morning from the horses mouth we hear we can't run the Newest version of sense 3.0 because we dont have a dual core processor on board! That is straight BS to me.

 

[ska.t73]

The TB was leaked very late in 2010, And most thought it would come in the First month of 2011. Even still with all they're development don't you think someone at HTC knew this phone wouldn't be capable of handling its newer software, meaning 3.0? This phone was and still is a very big deal for VZW, being its they're first LTE phone. So why not just throw a dual core in it? Especially if it won't be able to run its next roll out of sense. Not a good look that new software needs the new hardware to work. Like I said, imagine if Apple did this! They would be getting blasted from every angle. So essentially we'll have Sprint's new Flagship HTC device, the EVO 3D running the new version, we'll have T-Mobile's Flagship device, the Sensation running the new version, and our 3 month old Flagship phone from VZW, the Thunderbolt won't be able to because its lacking in the Hardware dept. That to me is just crazy! I said a couple of times in various threads and posts...Give us the new version of Sense with Gingerbread and this phone will be absolutely awesome, and all will forgivin for the crazy delays and the lack of hardware.
Now this morning from the horses mouth we hear we can't run the Newest version of sense 3.0 because we dont have a dual core processor on board! That is straight BS to me.

I understand what you are saying. However if you look at the new post from HTC it sounds like that are going to do all they can to bring everything they can from the new version of Sense to the TB and other phones. Sure it wont be a complete 3.0, but must of what people want will be in the release.

Not to mention the ROM for the Sensation has already been leaked, so anyone that has root will be getting 3.0 or at least things from it before the Sensation is even released.

I have no doubt in my mind that HTC will be releasing an updated Sense for this phone.

 

[sean76]

I understand what you are saying. However if you look at the new post from HTC it sounds like that are going to do all they can to bring everything they can from the new version of Sense to the TB and other phones. Sure it wont be a complete 3.0, but must of what people want will be in the release.

Not to mention the ROM for the Sensation has already been leaked, so anyone that has root will be getting 3.0 or at least things from it before the Sensation is even released.

I have no doubt in my mind that HTC will be releasing an updated Sense for this phone.

I really hope so brother. They should indeed single out the TB and say we have something in the works that should make all you Thunderbolt owners very Happy. If they do that and really make an effort that'll be fine with me. Bad timing and bad choice of words by HTC this morning.

 

[BzB]

The TB was leaked very late in 2010, And most thought it would come in the First month of 2011. Even still with all they're development don't you think someone at HTC knew this phone wouldn't be capable of handling its newer software, meaning 3.0? This phone was and still is a very big deal for VZW, being its they're first LTE phone. So why not just throw a dual core in it? Especially if it won't be able to run its next roll out of sense. Not a good look that new software needs the new hardware to work. Like I said, imagine if Apple did this! They would be getting blasted from every angle. So essentially we'll have Sprint's new Flagship HTC device, the EVO 3D running the new version, we'll have T-Mobile's Flagship device, the Sensation running the new version, and our 3 month old Flagship phone from VZW, the Thunderbolt won't be able to because its lacking in the Hardware dept. That to me is just crazy! I said a couple of times in various threads and posts...Give us the new version of Sense with Gingerbread and this phone will be absolutely awesome, and all will forgivin for the crazy delays and the lack of hardware.
Now this morning from the horses mouth we hear we can't run the Newest version of sense 3.0 because we dont have a dual core processor on board! That is straight BS to me.

like i mentioned before, the TB is based on a device that was developed in early 2010. sense 3.0 was probably in very early development stage at that time so it's no surprise to me that by the time sense 3.0 was ready it was probably developed for their newer devices. HTC doesn't even have any dual core phones on the market right now so it wouldn't have been as simple as throwing a dual core in the TB so it would be future proof.

back in 2010 VZW asked HTC for a phone they could release in early 2011. at that time the newest phone HTC had that was production ready was based on the Desire HD so VZW took that one and rebranded it as the mecca. VZW could have waited until a dual core HTC phone was ready, but apparently they didn't want to wait for HTC's dual core phone to be ready. if they did wait they wouldn't have been able to roll out any LTE phones in Q1 2011, which VZW had already committed to.

as far as people mentioning they wanted sense 3.0 i have to say today is the first i've ever heard anyone mentioning wanting sense 3.0 on the TB. prior to today the discussion was always around when we'd get gingerbread. and we will get gingerbread later this year, maybe as early as this summer. who knows...

also, for anyone who thinks not getting sense 3.0 is a big deal: can you name two features of sense 3.0 that you'll greatly miss on the TB?

 

[nkd]

KINDA Bull. The gpu on the the thunderbolt is more then enough to generate the graphics on the thunderbolt and processor is pretty damn fast too. Just an excuse just like any company to try to get you to buy new hardware.

Windows phone is all accelerated by GPU and it has the older crappy adreno 200.

Sense 3.0 is way better but I really dont care to be honest, I will most likely be changing out my phone in another year anyways.

The new lock screen is awesome. I hope they bring that.

I dont think people should have any hopes other then gingerbread. You loved the phone when you bought it and you shouldn't regret it just because you wont get sense 3.0. I mean its a great phone for what it is.

 

[garnto]

I think we should all keep in mind that you bought a phone. that phone is the single and only thing you bought when you purchased the tb. you did not purchase gingerbread or sense 3.0, so there is really no reason to complain here.

you can cry about how it's unfair and how those darned htc people just did it all on purpose, but all that does is make you look like a self entitled baby