Root Ice Cream Sandwich

[knitpurlgurl]

So, do you think some Eris-loving dev will create an ICS ROM? It's due out Q4. Which means, maybe 1 phone will have it. I'm due to get my phone upgrade in Sept., wondering if i should wait for a phone with ICS or if any of the phones will even have Gingerbread on them by then?

 

[metlcat]

I'm sure someone will take it upon them to get ICS running on the Eris. My upgrade is in October, but I'll probably keep my Eris around to play with.

None of the current US phones other than the Nexus phones officially have gingerbread, but the Samsung Galaxy S II has gingerbread and should be released sometime in the summer or fall in the US. I'm sure other phones will follow suit in order to compete.

My plan is to upgrade when I can to whatever the top of the line phone that isn't locked down is for my last two years on my parent's family plan. After that, I'll be free to check out other carriers, and maybe whatever the newest Nexus phone is at the time.

 

[doogald]

Google announced at I/O today that the major Android vendors - HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, LG, as well as Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile and AT&T - will be forming a committee to figure out a way to ensure that all devices get OS updates for 18 months after launch, so long as the hardware supports it. That should be a great start, and makes me more comfortable upgrading to a new handset later this year.

That said, the differences between Froyo and GB are subtle, and even Eclair is functionally not all that different from 2.2 and 2.3. If I were forced to run a Froyo phone for a year to twenty months starting now, it wouldn't kill me.

Ice cream should be a big difference compared with GB and Froyo, though. It'll be interesting to see if a device like the Eris, with only 288 MB RAM and a small amount of storage, will be able to run that OS.

 

[scotty85]

Ice cream should be a big difference compared with GB and Froyo, though. It'll be interesting to see if a device like the Eris, with only 288 MB RAM and a small amount of storage, will be able to run that OS.

it would prolly start to sizzle and smoke

I'm due to get my phone upgrade in Sept., wondering if i should wait for a phone with ICS or if any of the phones will even have Gingerbread on them by then?

i prolly wouldnt wait for that... you might want to wait till a little later in the 4th quarter,depending on what specs will tickle your fancy if youre really techy,there will hopefully be some dual core HTC superphones out around then... at least im hopin so

at the rate theyre goin,alot of phones will just have to skip gingerbread if they dont want to get too far behind! heck,the fasinate hasnt even had froyo all that long! the prollem is the manufactures have to get their stupid skins to work with the OS before they can release it. we definately need more "google experience" devices

what im lookin forward to is CM8

 

[CondemnedSoul]

I love Ice Cream... Especially chocolate chip mint and milkshakes

 

[knitpurlgurl]

I love Ice Cream... Especially chocolate chip mint and milkshakes

LOL

 

[knitpurlgurl]

i prolly wouldnt wait for that... you might want to wait till a little later in the 4th quarter,depending on what specs will tickle your fancy if youre really techy,there will hopefully be some dual core HTC superphones out around then... at least im hopin so

That's what I want to hold out for. I definitely want another HTC and they haven't announced any dual core phones for Q3, so I'm hoping Q4 is my quarter!

 

[CondemnedSoul]

That's what I want to hold out for. I definitely want another HTC and they haven't announced any dual core phones for Q3, so I'm hoping Q4 is my quarter!

I'm not due for upgrade til November so you guys have to put up wit me for that long at least Not sure what I'll be moving to yet... but it will be android

 

[Bob Cat]

That's what I want to hold out for. I definitely want another HTC and they haven't announced any dual core phones for Q3, so I'm hoping Q4 is my quarter!

I can upgrade now but I'm holding out for an htc dual core.

 

[T-Keith]

I'm also due in October. If I could upgrade now, I'm not sure if I would. I like the Incredible 2, but getting a non-4G phone seems like a bad idea, and similar with the non-dual core. I'm really wondering if I may want to wait for a phone with Ice cream, but the Nexus phones never come out for Verizon anyway. Sadly, the Bionic looks like the best candidate right now.

I wonder if I should just pick up a used Incredible to last me until fall.

 

[scotty85]

That's what I want to hold out for. I definitely want another HTC and they haven't announced any dual core phones for Q3, so I'm hoping Q4 is my quarter!

I'm not due for upgrade til November so you guys have to put up wit me for that long at least Not sure what I'll be moving to yet... but it will be android

you should get a thunderbolt... sos you can make me roms there,too

I can upgrade now but I'm holding out for an htc dual core.

I'm also due in October. If I could upgrade now, I'm not sure if I would. I like the Incredible 2, but getting a non-4G phone seems like a bad idea, and similar with the non-dual core. I'm really wondering if I may want to wait for a phone with Ice cream, but the Nexus phones never come out for Verizon anyway. Sadly, the Bionic looks like the best candidate right now.

I wonder if I should just pick up a used Incredible to last me until fall.

eff the bionic and its encrypted bootloader! having rooted and rom'ed and droid 1,i prefer the way that HTC phones work. plus the bionic will be in the x/droid 2 boat with limited roms since you cant change the kernel(and therefore youre stuck with motoblur )

single core is not such a big deal,but if you want fast,a non-4g phone is. ive gotten download speeds as high as 18mbps on the outskirts of 4g. its insanely fast,even with a single core. i guess maybe if youre a heavy gamer dual core could be an advantage,but its personally hard for me to see the need for the "multitaskability" of dual cores... after all,dual core doesnt mean twice as fast. IIRC the bionic didnt benchmark any better than other 1.2ghz phones,or get any better download speeds.

i wouldnt pick any phone for the OS. its gonna be covered up with a skin that you may or may not have fondness for. id try and get good hardware(ahem,htc ) and an unencrypted bootloader. if your patient enuff,wait untill theyve actually rooted whatever you want to get so you know it will be possible. then you can run whatever software you want

there has been speculation HTC is moving away from their developer-friendly nature. the TB was the toughest yet,but they still cracked it in a couple days. 4g has made rom development a little tricky,but progress is bein made. i dont personally think htc is moving towards locked down phones(like motorola) but if it turned out to be true id look at samsung. they anounced recently that they would embrace the development comunity and not encrypt any bootloaders unless for some reason google required it.

youd definately be happy with an incredible. stock its got some bloat,and htc sensep) but its fast and capable. its got a decent sized screen with vibrant color and resolution,and there are alot of roms avaiable if you want to mod it. cm7 on the incredible is smooth and fast. and you can prolly start finding them cheaper as new phones come out.

my 2 cents,for what theyre worth

 

[metlcat]

there has been speculation HTC is moving away from their developer-friendly nature. the TB was the toughest yet,but they still cracked it in a couple days. 4g has made rom development a little tricky,but progress is bein made. i dont personally think htc is moving towards locked down phones(like motorola) but if it turned out to be true id look at samsung. they anounced recently that they would embrace the development comunity and not encrypt any bootloaders unless for some reason google required it.

This is what I'm waiting to see and why I'd consider an SGSII variant. I like the build quality from htc, I'm just waiting to see if they continue locking down their phones and if they put out a phone that will impress me. I was excited for the thudnerbolt, but by the time I can upgrade it would feel like going for the Eris again.

Also, my mom has a DInc and it is a great phone. I am openly jealous (and she got it for free).

 

[T-Keith]

I also like HTC, but don't want to be stuck with an outdated phone again. I'm not eligible until October, would the Thunderbolt be a good idea then? It will be almost a year old. It looks like the manufacturers are getting serious about updates and Motorola and HTC are moving opposite directions in terms of bootloaders. I have a feeling they meet and be very similar soon.

 

[scotty85]

I also like HTC, but don't want to be stuck with an outdated phone again. I'm not eligible until October, would the Thunderbolt be a good idea then? It will be almost a year old. It looks like the manufacturers are getting serious about updates and Motorola and HTC are moving opposite directions in terms of bootloaders. I have a feeling they meet and be very similar soon.

hard to say... depends on whats out,and what else is on the horizon. motorola recently very innocently asked somewhere(twitter i think) what apps people would like to see on up coming devices and got over 10,000 responses of "unlocked bootloader" and have finally issued a statement saying "sometime later this year" they will start getting back to being more developer friendly. maybe the targa will have an unencrypted bootloader? if they follow their word,it may open some more doors.

the thunderbolt is a sweet phone. i love mine,but its really not that cutting edge. as you said,its been around since october,and is basically verizons version of the evo,wich has been around even longer than that. the only thing really spoecial about it is that its verizons flagship 4g device.

having said that, unless youre holding out for a dual core(or whatever esle may come out by then),youre not going to be missing anything going to it. as ive said,its increidbly fast and capable,it may be a year old when you upgrade,but it would likely satisfy you for 2 years,its not quite like upgrading to the eris. i love mine,and although ill admittedly be a lil jealous when a sensation version comes out for verizon, it wont be that big a deal. im good for 2 years with my TB

there is always going to be something newer and better on the horizon,youre never gonna be able to wait long enuff to get newest+best the way theyre rollin em out.

although it is hard to imagine what the next thing will be after dual cores are optimized and common place... seems to me we should be approching a place where the technology is advancing a lil more slowly and making it a lil longer before the new phones are old news

 

[doogald]

I also like HTC, but don't want to be stuck with an outdated phone again. I'm not eligible until October, would the Thunderbolt be a good idea then? It will be almost a year old. It looks like the manufacturers are getting serious about updates and Motorola and HTC are moving opposite directions in terms of bootloaders. I have a feeling they meet and be very similar soon.

the thunderbolt is a sweet phone. i love mine,but its really not that cutting edge. as you said,its been around since october,and is basically verizons version of the evo,wich has been around even longer than that. the only thing really spoecial about it is that its verizons flagship 4g device.

While it sure resembles the Evo, the guts are quite a bit better - it's got a more recent processor (albeit still single-core), 8 GB internal storage vs. 1 GB, and more RAM, for example.

October is a long time from now. One issue with the TB is that HTC and/or Verizon provided no toggle for the 4G radio, which is rather dumb, and I understand that 4G drains the battery quite fast. I understand that there are also all sorts of 4G to 3G to 4G data handoff issues with the TB right now. Will these issues be fixed by October? I should think so. Will there be better phones available by then? I think there will be.

there is always going to be something newer and better on the horizon,youre never gonna be able to wait long enuff to get newest+best the way theyre rollin em out.

While this is true, I think that right now is an example of a time when it's not a great idea to buy a new phone with a 2 year contract unless you simply cannot wait. There should be a few really good devices out in the next 4 to 8 weeks (e.g., the Charge, X2 and LG Revolution, and maybe the Merge.)

 

[scotty85]

October is a long time from now. One issue with the TB is that HTC and/or Verizon provided no toggle for the 4G radio, which is rather dumb, and I understand that 4G drains the battery quite fast. I understand that there are also all sorts of 4G to 3G to 4G data handoff issues with the TB right now. Will these issues be fixed by October? I should think so. Will there be better phones available by then? I think there will be.

in the thunderbolts defense,most of the issues that stock phones are having are with verizon getting the network up and running,not with the phone itself. you can access the data via the programming menu if you want to toggle 3g only,and thats anotehr advantage to being rooted,some roms are adding 3g/4g toggle settings to the mobile networks menu

While this is true, I think that right now is an example of a time when it's not a great idea to buy a new phone with a 2 year contract unless you simply cannot wait. There should be a few really good devices out in the next 4 to 8 weeks (e.g., the Charge, X2 and LG Revolution, and maybe the Merge.)

just depends on your wants and needs. the merge is going to be more of a middle entry,its not going to be a high end device. and i have my own reasons for not wanting any of the others specs escape me for now,but the revolution has the worse camera of all the 1gh "superphones" at 5 megapixel.also,my experiences with the lg ally have somewhat made me question wether lg is really capable making a phone of that caliber. the X2... well,encrypted bootloader

to me,the phones worth waiting for are the ones that havent been anounced yet but as i said,its a largely personal choice what you expect from your device.

 

[Bob Cat]

in the thunderbolts defense,most of the issues that stock phones are having are with verizon getting the network up and running,not with the phone itself. you can access the data via the programming menu if you want to toggle 3g only,and thats anotehr advantage to being rooted,some roms are adding 3g/4g toggle settings to the mobile networks menu





just depends on your wants and needs. the merge is going to be more of a middle entry,its not going to be a high end device. and i have my own reasons for not wanting any of the others specs escape me for now,but the revolution has the worse camera of all the 1gh "superphones" at 5 megapixel.also,my experiences with the lg ally have somewhat made me question wether lg is really capable making a phone of that caliber. the X2... well,encrypted bootloader

to me,the phones worth waiting for are the ones that havent been anounced yet but as i said,its a largely personal choice what you expect from your device.

What about the charge?

 

[scotty85]

What about the charge?

less internal Memory, iirc... And Samsung seems slow with updates if you don't plan to root it. Otherwise it's looks to be a good phone. But not really worth waiting for, imo, since the tb is out now

 

[doogald]

you can access the data via the programming menu if you want to toggle 3g only,and thats anotehr advantage to being rooted,some roms are adding 3g/4g toggle settings to the mobile networks menu

Anything that requires dialing ##778 and going through arcane programming commands is not a solution. Anything that requires rooting is also not a solution.

I'm really looking for a phone that I don't have to root at least until it is out of warranty.

I wish that Verizon would allow the Nexus phones on their network, to be honest.

 

[scotty85]

Anything that requires dialing ##778 and going through arcane programming commands is not a solution. Anything that requires rooting is also not a solution.

I'm really looking for a phone that I don't have to root at least until it is out of warranty.

I wish that Verizon would allow the Nexus phones on their network, to be honest.

I dint mean to imply that it was a solution, just that until there is a solution, at least there's a workaround.

I'll agree with that last statement 100%

 

[T-Keith]

Well, I was playing around on Ebay today and bought myself an Incredible for $180. I figure I can get $100 for my eris and have a nice upgrade for $80, until October. Hopefully Verizon will have a great cutting edge phone for a reasonable price by then, if not I could probably wait a little longer. I also hope they get the Nexus this time, but unlikely since Google's new partner appears to be Sprint.