Tmo revamps Nexus One pricing again

[larryccf]

looks like they've decided to refund some folks $100 (they had had, for a short time window, a $379 upgrade price on the N1 for existing customers for one plan, $279 for another plan - then dropped both those and now have brought back the $279 price for existing customer upgrades

Nexus One Upgrade Price Change Cometh | TmoNews - Unofficial T-Mobile Blog - News, Videos, Articles and more

" Good news, earthlings! Apparently Google's taken all the complaints about Nexus One upgrade pricing to heart, because it's giving $100 rebates to current T-Mobile subscribers who paid $379 for the HTC-built handset -- and it says it'll be widening the net and offering upgrades to even more current T-Mo subs, although we still don't know how that's determined. That means the new Nexus One pricing tiers break down like this: $529 unlocked, $279 upgrade for (some) current T-Mo subs, and $179 on a new 2-year contract. Handshakes all around. Now, let's fix up family plan activations and that crazy double ETF, shall we?"

 

[infoman]

Now they need to come off that $529 sticker otherwise there going to sit. Lets see an OS upgrade for the My Touch instead of trying to hold the consumer hostage with game playing and pricing tactics.

 

[larryccf]

considering the low sales (reports are they only sold 20,000 units the first week, which is real weak compared to the Droid), and the issues folks that got em are having, suspect it might happen

at this point, it doesn't matter - there are already about 6 other equal or hotter phones due out and my MT3G covers my needs for now

 

[infoman]

at this point, it doesn't matter - there are already about 6 other equal or hotter phones due out and my MT3G covers my needs for now

You couldn't be more correct. I like my MT3G and other than the OS upgrade, faster processor, and memory, the N1 is basically the same phone, does the same things, runs the same software, and basic functions have yet to be corrected or implemented in the N1. (e.g. handsfree voice dialing, bluetooth, assignable speed dial, and redial.

They screwed up by trying to market and sell it through google. Sales and upgrades would have been much more robust if it was marketed strictly through Tmobile and giving them flexibility in pricing plans and upgrade costs.

Now there playing the hold the OS upgrade game in hope technogeeks will rush out and buy the latest and greatest, which isn't going to happen. Newer phones will be introduced and the N1 will just be another player on the field. $529? you would have to be an idiot, but there is a sucker born every minute.

 

[NowVoyager]

Its the lousy calling plan that Tmo needs to drop. 500 minutes for $80 a month is insane. Those of us with unlimited calling, web and text would never budge for such outrageous limitations...not even for N1.

But as has been said, as soon as OS 2.1 is officially released to us, the only difference btw any Android and N1 will be native speed on the processor.

 

[afine1]

You couldn't be more correct. I like my MT3G and other than the OS upgrade, faster processor, and memory, the N1 is basically the same phone, does the same things, runs the same software, and basic functions have yet to be corrected or implemented in the N1. (e.g. handsfree voice dialing, bluetooth, assignable speed dial, and redial.

so i guess you forgot the 3.5 mm jack, the much, much bigger screen, plus some...you did mention the processor (huge improvement) and memory (more than double). um, is it just me or is the nexus only $129 more than the mt3g? i think for the price difference it is more than worth it. also the mtg is $149 on a 2 year plan and the nexus is $179. and it is not limited to the price plan that google sets. you can simply add $20 and get the evenmore plan which is unlimited everything. and btw thats the same $99 plan with the mt3g.

get a clue.

 

[larryccf]

did Tmo change the pricing plans offered, again?

excuse us if we can't keep up with them -

 

[afine1]

Did I forgot to mention that thing the n1 has called a flash?

 

[larryccf]

no, but it'd be kinda nice if it could pull down 3G to be able to make use of that flash
right now, it's kind of like having a hot car, w/6 spd transmission, but only first and second gears work

 

[infoman]

so i guess you forgot the 3.5 mm jack, the much, much bigger screen, plus some...you did mention the processor (huge improvement) and memory (more than double). um, is it just me or is the nexus only $129 more than the mt3g? i think for the price difference it is more than worth it. also the mtg is $149 on a 2 year plan and the nexus is $179. and it is not limited to the price plan that google sets. you can simply add $20 and get the evenmore plan which is unlimited everything. and btw thats the same $99 plan with the mt3g.

get a clue.

I didn't forget any of that, and the N1 is unquestionably a nice phone, just not worth $529 on a none upgrade path. Thats a simple concept if you want clues! Second, either your pricing matrix is incorrect or Tmobile has once again changed pricing. For example my MT3G cost $99 2 yr contract. I get 1000 min, unlim N&W for 39. The data package with 400 text msg and unlim data is an additional 24. You can attribute all the confusion to the ass backward marketing plan and the way it was rolled out. Orginally you were locked to 500min, no family plan, and that was for NEW subscribers only and no upgrade path. Apparently things are changing on a daily basis.

 

[afine1]

I didn't forget any of that, and the N1 is unquestionably a nice phone, just not worth $529 on a none upgrade path. Thats a simple concept if you want clues! Second, either your pricing matrix is incorrect or Tmobile has once again changed pricing. For example my MT3G cost $99 2 yr contract. I get 1000 min, unlim N&W for 39. The data package with 400 text msg and unlim data is an additional 24. You can attribute all the confusion to the ass backward marketing plan and the way it was rolled out. Orginally you were locked to 500min, no family plan, and that was for NEW subscribers only and no upgrade path. Apparently things are changing on a daily basis.

Again you ignore facts. Fact #1 yes T-Mobile has changed pricing. Fact #2 the mt3g is $399 on a "none upgrade path." And its $149 vs nexus $179 when you sign a 2 year agreement. Fact #3 your current plan is highly limited compared to current plans. I have everything unlimited for only $5 more than you. Fact #4 you continue to compare apples to oranges. You say how the mt3g cost you $99 and then again reference the nexus as $529. You dindn't mention one was with a contract and one was not. Lets not forget again that no contract gives lower plan pricing.

Regardless of these facts and many more you are ignoring, for your own justification, enjoy your mt3g with your restricted plan and I'll enjoy my nexus with none. (You should change your plan)

 

[infoman]

Again you ignore facts. Fact #1 yes T-Mobile has changed pricing. Fact #2 the mt3g is $399 on a "none upgrade path." And its $149 vs nexus $179 when you sign a 2 year agreement. Fact #3 your current plan is highly limited compared to current plans. I have everything unlimited for only $5 more than you. Fact #4 you continue to compare apples to oranges. You say how the mt3g cost you $99 and then again reference the nexus as $529. You dindn't mention one was with a contract and one was not. Lets not forget again that no contract gives lower plan pricing.

Regardless of these facts and many more you are ignoring, for your own justification, enjoy your mt3g with your restricted plan and I'll enjoy my nexus with none. (You should change your plan)

Thanks I like the MT3G very much but lets get the facts straight. That $179.00 price point you are referring to is for NEW subscribers with a two year commitment with a new line. And yes the current price for a NEW subscriber for MT3G is 149.00 with 2 year committment. And BTW the phone can be purchased unlocked for well under $399.00 and more in the 200 range. So if I was a brand new customer that would be a sweet deal until it breaks and needs service!

As far as my calling plan being restrictive, its more than I need and $65 bucks is enough. The point is the N1 is NOT a Tmobile branded phone and exisiting customers get screwed. I am not aware of any upgrade pricing points for the N1 with Tmobile. Judging from the poor customer service and warranty policy with HTC, and not withstanding the ridiculous restocking and return charges; I would forget this phone until it's available and branded through the carrier and can be backed by exchange, warranty, and customer service. This is why it will fail and become just another player. Several other models are in the pipeline already.

 

[larryccf]

afine1 - i just checked the google FAQ page on pricing and don't see the plan you're referring to - they did in fact change the pricing plans one more time by removing the $379 upgrade plan

Pricing : Choosing Nexus One - Nexus One Help

but what should be the most persuasive indication contradicting your position is the fact that google has only sold 20,000 units in the first week - that's awfully weak sales compared to the droid's 250,000 units

but you could be right, and the market just plain wrong - which, if that's the case and you're sure of yourself, hell go out and buy a ton of them - if one is great, then 10 of them ought to be even better

 

[afine1]

afine1 - i just checked the google FAQ page on pricing and don't see the plan you're referring to - they did in fact change the pricing plans one more time by removing the $379 upgrade plan

Pricing : Choosing Nexus One - Nexus One Help

but what should be the most persuasive indication contradicting your position is the fact that google has only sold 20,000 units in the first week - that's awfully weak sales compared to the droid's 250,000 units

but you could be right, and the market just plain wrong - which, if that's the case and you're sure of yourself, hell go out and buy a ton of them - if one is great, then 10 of them ought to be even better

What in the world is your issue!? Are you ignorant to all the facts? Stop comparing apples to oranges. If you even know what that means. Your logic is extremely messed up. The Droid was heavily advertised and sold through Verizon. Now they even have a buy one get one. I have seen the Droid commercial about 5 times today during one football game. How much do you think that costs? But Google has had how many commercials for the nexus? That would be ZERO. If they did advertise or sell directly through a store how many do you think they would sell? They made more than $10 million dollars in one week for a phone with no advertisement and no stores or mall kiosks involved. Think before you type.

And the plans I was referring to are T-Mobiles plans. Look at their website to do your research not Google's.

Again please try to educate yourself about everything and not just what you have convinced yourself is true. The only thing I messed up on was typing $5 when I meant $15 in an earlier post.

 

[larryccf]

my point is you keeping touting the finer points of the nexus n1 and bashing anyone that thinks differently

and i asked for a link - i didn't see any pricing plans at tmo for the nexus
- the nexus is sold only by google,

 

[randel77]

I had a g1 and was out of contract. to get the n1 at 179.00 I had to add a line then cancel the old line then request my old number. yeah it was a bit of pain in the ass but i n1 blows the doors off the g1. the mytouch is not bad but is no n1 or droid for that matter.

 

[afine1]

my point is you keeping touting the finer points of the nexus n1 and bashing anyone that thinks differently

and i asked for a link - i didn't see any pricing plans at tmo for the nexus
- the nexus is sold only by google,

here is the link to the even more and even more plus plans. the even more plan (which is what google is putting you on) is only $20 more for unlimited minutes. the data and texts are the same regardless.

you are a royal pita. can you not read the hundreds of posts that tell you that when you sign up for the plan sold by google you can change to any plan within the even more plans. you are still keeping to the two year contract. google signs you up for the basic even more plan at 39.99 for 500 min. you can change to 1000 min for $10 more or unlimited for $20. yes it is that easy. your bulb is not too bright.

in no way am i bashing anything or anyone for being or thinking different. i am simply pointing out the fact that you a spouting off about things you have no clue about. you are leaving out facts to make yourself seem knowledgable about a situation, when indeed you are not.

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[FreshPrince]

$529? you would have to be an idiot, but there is a sucker born every minute.

Or you COULD just have money to blow, so yeah, thanks for the intended insult, but it failed.

 

[FreshPrince]

I had a g1 and was out of contract. to get the n1 at 179.00 I had to add a line then cancel the old line then request my old number. yeah it was a bit of pain in the ass but i n1 blows the doors off the g1. the mytouch is not bad but is no n1 or droid for that matter.

Right. There is a significant difference between the N1 and the MT3G.

But whatever makes people sleep better at night.

 

[infoman]

here is the link to the even more and even more plus plans. the even more plan (which is what google is putting you on) is only $20 more for unlimited minutes. the data and texts are the same regardless.

you are a royal pita. can you not read the hundreds of posts that tell you that when you sign up for the plan sold by google you can change to any plan within the even more plans. you are still keeping to the two year contract. google signs you up for the basic even more plan at 39.99 for 500 min. you can change to 1000 min for $10 more or unlimited for $20. yes it is that easy. your bulb is not too bright.

in no way am i bashing anything or anyone for being or thinking different. i am simply pointing out the fact that you a spouting off about things you have no clue about. you are leaving out facts to make yourself seem knowledgable about a situation, when indeed you are not.

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I don't think anyone is questioning what plan or the cost of those plans are from Tmobile. My god you can get that rate and even better ones if your out of contract with any of there branded phones. But once again to get the $179.00 price you either have to add an additional line, or be a new customer. Furthermore if you return the phone and decide to cancel it will cost you $730.00. Phone breaks you pack it up and send it off to HTC. No overnight exchanges and certainly not from Tmobile. No support from Tmobile and don't expect OTA updates and revisions. TMOBILE is not supporting a phone that lacks there branding. It's really that simple. There are no exceptions! In the end this unique business arrangement could end hurting Tmobile and have a reverse effect with a lot of pissed off customers.

As far as your mathematical wizardery and business sense, you have much to learn!

 

[afine1]

I don't think anyone is questioning what plan or the cost of those plans are from Tmobile. My god you can get that rate and even better ones if your out of contract with any of there branded phones. But once again to get the $179.00 price you either have to add an additional line, or be a new customer. Furthermore if you return the phone and decide to cancel it will cost you $730.00. Phone breaks you pack it up and send it off to HTC. No overnight exchanges and certainly not from Tmobile. No support from Tmobile and don't expect OTA updates and revisions. TMOBILE is not supporting a phone that lacks there branding. It's really that simple. There are no exceptions! In the end this unique business arrangement could end hurting Tmobile and have a reverse effect with a lot of pissed off customers.

As far as your mathematical wizardery and business sense, you have much to learn!

let see...hmm? mathematical wizardery and business sense... 1st you say if you return and cancel it cost $730...where did your mathematical wizardery get that? 2nd you say it could hurt end up hurting tmobile..."could?"....it "could" also help tmoble by the many new customers that have singned up for them. and the only customers that are getting pissed off are the ones who want the n1, but want it subsidized. and why should they be mad? tmobile has a lot of other phones that work just fine and simply put...if you cant buy it don't complain about it just because you want it. there are plenty of things in life that we just cant have. get another phone. these are the same people that probably are mad that they cant have an iphone with tmobile. (which you can unsubsidezed and jailbroken). so as to your business sense...again check your facts. DO NOT use the word "could" as a bad thing when it can be a good thing also....that is just not good business sense. could of, should of, would of....give me a break. my mathematical wizardery and business sense runs circles aroung you.

do you really want me to break down the rest of what you say? ota updates, overnight exchanges etc....again do your fact checking. you are just making this stuff up. example...ota updates are coming from google, and because they are putting their name on this phone they are giving ota updates as soon as they are ready. so ask yourself...why did you say "and don't expect OTA updates and revisions"? this is one of the reasons why google wanted controll of this phone...to make ota updates and revisions. geez, its like dealing with 2 year olds!

 

[lithium1330]

Did a quick search but couldn't find the answer, but how I can order the N1 for 279 with the 2yr contract? Do I call up T-mo customer care? I'm existing customer without contract (contract expired over xmas). I also read I'll be able select a plan other than the standard 500min EM+ offered. Guidance?

 

[infoman]

let see...hmm? mathematical wizardery and business sense... 1st you say if you return and cancel it cost $730...where did your mathematical wizardery get that? 2nd you say it could hurt end up hurting tmobile..."could?"....it "could" also help tmoble by the many new customers that have singned up for them. and the only customers that are getting pissed off are the ones who want the n1, but want it subsidized. and why should they be mad? tmobile has a lot of other phones that work just fine and simply put...if you cant buy it don't complain about it just because you want it. there are plenty of things in life that we just cant have. get another phone. these are the same people that probably are mad that they cant have an iphone with tmobile. (which you can unsubsidezed and jailbroken). so as to your business sense...again check your facts. DO NOT use the word "could" as a bad thing when it can be a good thing also....that is just not good business sense. could of, should of, would of....give me a break. my mathematical wizardery and business sense runs circles aroung you.

do you really want me to break down the rest of what you say? ota updates, overnight exchanges etc....again do your fact checking. you are just making this stuff up. example...ota updates are coming from google, and because they are putting their name on this phone they are giving ota updates as soon as they are ready. so ask yourself...why did you say "and don't expect OTA updates and revisions"? this is one of the reasons why google wanted controll of this phone...to make ota updates and revisions. geez, its like dealing with 2 year olds!

Apparently you need to read the "terms and conditions" of which you agreed to when you purchased your phone.

1. Terminate within the 14 day buyers remorse period and your charged a $45 restocking fee, plus shipping, plus whatever else is deemed necessary for refurbishing of included accessories.

2. Terminate prior to 120 days of continuous carrier service and you pay Google $350.00, and Tmobile $200 early contract termination fees.

3. If the phone was engraved, it is non-refundable. Thus 350+200+179=$729.00 a potential unaware consumer could be out.

4. Warranty service is solely handled by HTC, not google. It unlikely you will recieve the level of customer care from HTC directly than Tmobile currently provides. There is no PHP or other insurance applicable from Tmobile.

5. Google is solely responsible for supporting the phone, not Tmobile. While google may provide the updates, the carrier is not obligated to push or support anything on the phone.

The facts are facts and it is what it is.

It's all right here:
Nexus One Phone - Terms of Sale
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/phones/2010-01-12-google-nexus-one_N.htm

 

[larryccf]

quote=afine1......you are a royal pita. can you not read the hundreds of posts that tell you that when you sign up for the plan sold by google you can change to any plan within the even more plans. ........

in no way am i bashing anything or anyone for being or thinking different. i am simply pointing out the fact that you a spouting off about things you have no clue about. you are leaving out facts to make yourself seem knowledgable about a situation, when indeed you are not. " end quote

first off, tmobile will not offer those plans with the n1 - i tried to when i calld in. then someone discovered if you did a couple backflips with their system you could, maybe, get an upgraded plan. look at the hoops people have to jump thru to get those plans, IF they can - not all are getting away with that

and now to the statement that i "am a royal pita" - and then in the next paragraph or so you state you are not bashing anyone. a somewhat blaring contradiction not one paragraph apart in the same posting


my friend, i assume you listen/read with your mouth, as you for sure you are not using your ears or eyes - smoke a turd in hell - i'm done with this exchange -

like i said, if the N1 is so great an opportunity, buy one and shut up

 

[afine1]

my friend, i assume you listen/read with your mouth, as you for sure you are not using your ears or eyes - smoke a turd in hell - i'm done with this exchange -

like i said, if the N1 is so great an opportunity, buy one and shut up

obviously again you ingore things and dont do your research...you havent figured out yet that i already own one. again...geez!

Apparently you need to read the "terms and conditions" of which you agreed to when you purchased your phone.

1. Terminate within the 14 day buyers remorse period and your charged a $45 restocking fee, plus shipping, plus whatever else is deemed necessary for refurbishing of included accessories.

2. Terminate prior to 120 days of continuous carrier service and you pay Google $350.00, and Tmobile $200 early contract termination fees.

3. If the phone was engraved, it is non-refundable. Thus 350+200+179=$729.00 a potential unaware consumer could be out.

4. Warranty service is solely handled by HTC, not google. It unlikely you will recieve the level of customer care from HTC directly than Tmobile currently provides. There is no PHP or other insurance applicable from Tmobile.

5. Google is solely responsible for supporting the phone, not Tmobile. While google may provide the updates, the carrier is not obligated to push or support anything on the phone.

The facts are facts and it is what it is.

It's all right here:
Nexus One Phone - Terms of Sale
Google's Nexus One phone sparks flood of complaints - USATODAY.com

if this and if that. first off anyone who buys the phone and engraves it knows they can not return it.

anyone who signs up for tmobile and cancels after 14 days knows that they are going to get charged.

no "unaware customers" here. it is all spelled out in black and white. same as with every other cell company in the country. (i cant speak for other contries). you have put together a scenario that would possible fit your math, but in all likely hood will not happen.

if you did this to att, verizon, sprint, and many other companies dont you think the same thing would happen? (the answer is yes)

with every company who subsidizes phones penaltys are accesed for cancelling service after a specified time period. tell me someone who is not aware of this.