***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

[redraider1]

Agree with your premise, but that's my exact thoughts as to why the Nexus would be more preferred by the average consumer. I think when people see ICS, they'll love it because its full of bells and whistles in its raw form. I think it outdoes sense or blur. And the term "Vanilla" isn't really what it used to be. Agree it may have been boring to people before but this is no longer Android as average Joe users have come to know. So if its mostly about the OS bling factor, will blur or sense outshine ICS? I'm thinking not, even to everyday Android folk. But time will tell.

Not to mention pure ics will run smoother than skinned uis.

 

[cereal killer]

One thing the Nexus does have that could be in it's favor is that big, bright HD screen. I'd bet if you ask your average phone buyer the number one feature that attracts them to a phone is the screen. .

Absolutely. A big screen will be a selling point for sure. Great points by all.

Keep in mind I'm not saying the Nexus will sell poorly. I'm just talking about in the grand scheme of things it has it's work cut out for it because it's going against heavily marketed devices.

 

[cereal killer]

Not to mention pure ics will run smoother than skinned uis.

You seen TW 4.0 in action? It's silk..........maybe back in the day this statement was true but the manufacturers are really making huge strides in regards to this.

 

[redraider1]

You seen TW 4.0 in action? It's silk..........maybe back in the day this statement was true but the manufacturers are really making huge strides in regards to this.

It still runs even smoother with stock android.

 

[BLD]

Agree on the dual core, especially since the stat placard probably won't distinguish between them.

However, I do feel consumers outside this forum know about the firmware updates. How many basic iPhone users know the difference between iOS5 and prior? I'd argue a lot, and with the drastic changes that ICS brings, I think Sam/Googles marketing will capitalize on that.

Comparing vanilla to mfg UI's, yeah, you may have had a point with Gingerbread, but did you even watch the press conference unveiling ICS? It isn't bland without snappy widgets anymore. It definitely adds more flare, and even draws some aesthetics from Windows mobile, which is one of the strong points of that OS. I was a huge Sense fan, and even after rooting my Incredible I looked for a custom ROM that could mimic that, but ultimately stuck with the stock. However, after viewing 'vanilla' ICS, I think it looks fantastic.

And your argument about if consumers wanted vanilla then mfgs would use it is completely unfounded and flat out wrong at worst. Manufactuers add their own UI to distinguish and put their own brand on the device. Do you REALLY think people enjoyed MotoBLUR? Seriously? Or TouchWiz? The only UI most people seemed to enjoy was Sense, but even that had the tendency to bog down the device.

That argument is like trying to say that Verizon puts CityID, VZWNAV, and their other bloat on the device because the consumers want it.

You just hit on a very interesting point with the OS and it really comes down to the simplified way people look at things. The average buyer doesn't know the difference between vanilla and skinned but they also don't know the different between MotoBlur, Sense, or TouchWiz either. There is one thing then will know the difference between and it should be plain as day on the place cards in front of the phones. They'll see all the other phones are Android 2.3.5 and that the Nexus is Android 4.0. To the average buyer this will look like a way newer OS than the others (it kind of is) and most buyers will want the latest and greatest because newest is always best (again that marketing drilled into their heads).

I think if you put the Nexus, Razr, and Rezound next to each other and break them down to their simplest stats that you'll see a lot of buyers go for the Nexus because of the screen and the newest OS.

 

[nhindian]

You seen TW 4.0 in action? It's silk..........maybe back in the day this statement was true but the manufacturers are really making huge strides in regards to this.

you should address my post

 

[gapi]

I'm waiting to hear about the sound quality and mostly the ringtone volume level of the external speaker.
I see all the hands on and I guess at 1st that's what we get but I wish someone would report on the phones noise.

Some info.

The TWL6030 and 6040 are meant to be companion ICs for the OMAP4 platform, one providing power management and the other providing audio, that's why the TWL6040 is listed under power management when it's actually an audio codec. A tear-down only found the TWL6030 inside, for audio it uses the Wolfson.

The datasheet for the TWL6040: http://www.alldatasheet.com/datashee...1/TWL6040.html

 

[Medion]

Not to mention pure ics will run smoother than skinned uis.

You seen TW 4.0 in action? It's silk..........maybe back in the day this statement was true but the manufacturers are really making huge strides in regards to this.

It's largely the opposite. Skinned UIs typically ran faster than stock simply because the skinned UI was designed for THAT device and could enable HW acceleration (Sense, TW). Stock ran without HW acceleration due to some older design concepts which Google has commented on. That went out the window with Honeycomb.

If they're now enabling HW acceleration for UI elements, skinned UIs will be faster or slower based on what they're doing. For example, in some of these videos you can see extensive use of transparent layers in ICS. More layers = less performance, so it's all up to what the OEM wants. They can still offer a distinctive, user-friendly, yet simply UI that is faster. Or, they can go all out with 3D, transparency, shaders, and slow it down. It's really up to their design and software developers.

 

[redraider1]

It's largely the opposite. Skinned UIs typically ran faster than stock simply because the skinned UI was designed for THAT device and could enable HW acceleration (Sense, TW). Stock ran without HW acceleration due to some older design concepts which Google has commented on. That went out the window with Honeycomb.

If they're now enabling HW acceleration for UI elements, skinned UIs will be faster or slower based on what they're doing. For example, in some of these videos you can see extensive use of transparent layers in ICS. More layers = less performance, so it's all up to what the OEM wants. They can still offer a distinctive, user-friendly, yet simply UI that is faster. Or, they can go all out with 3D, transparency, shaders, and slow it down. It's really up to their design and software developers.

Blur and those were reason for many of the bugs and issues and always had more issues than stock devices.

 

[nj02vette]

Absolutely. A big screen will be a selling point for sure. Great points by all.

Keep in mind I'm not saying the Nexus will sell poorly. I'm just talking about in the grand scheme of things it has it's work cut out for it because it's going against heavily marketed devices.

I'm not sure where a lot of this "Gnex won't be heavily marketed by Verizon" comes from.

I see plenty of phones without the Droid branding get marketed heavily. Samsung Fascinate for instance, I saw 10X more commercials for that phone then I ever saw for the Droid X and OG Droid combined. I know my anecdotal evidence isn't fact, but that's at least what I saw.

Back to topic, marketing a product is a balance of spending money, to make money. If a product has tremendous hype, why spend huge amounts of money to sell a product that is already going to sell. Conversely, if sales falter, ad campains are launched to drive sales again. There's always an initial launch campain, but after that, the sales will determine how much money they spend.

That's just Marketing 101. So if this thing gets heavily promoted, there's a good chance that it's because Verizon will believe sales volume could be higher. If not, then it's most likely the product is selling well and they don't have to do much at all.

 

[Steven58]

I'm not sure where a lot of this "Gnex won't be heavily marketed by Verizon" comes from.

I see plenty of phones without the Droid branding get marketed heavily. Samsung Fascinate for instance, I saw 10X more commercials for that phone then I ever saw for the Droid X and OG Droid combined. I know my anecdotal evidence isn't fact, but that's at least what I saw.

Back to topic, marketing a product is a balance of spending money, to make money. If a product has tremendous hype, why spend huge amounts of money to sell a product that is already going to sell. Conversely, if sales falter, ad campains are launched to drive sales again. There's always an initial launch campain, but after that, the sales will determine how much money they spend.

That's just Marketing 101. So if this thing gets heavily promoted, there's a good chance that it's because Verizon will believe sales volume could be higher. If not, then it's most likely the product is selling well and they don't have to do much at all.

To be fair, it was my source who told me that the phone won't be as heavily marketed as the droid.

 

[redraider1]

To be fair, it was my source who told me that the phone won't be as heavily marketed as the droid.

Any new tidbits of info from your source? Maybe some hints of a release?

 

[Travillion]

Some info.

The TWL6030 and 6040 are meant to be companion ICs for the OMAP4 platform, one providing power management and the other providing audio, that's why the TWL6040 is listed under power management when it's actually an audio codec. A tear-down only found the TWL6030 inside, for audio it uses the Wolfson.

The datasheet for the TWL6040: http://www.alldatasheet.com/datashee...1/TWL6040.html

I don't understand any of this... but I'd like to

 

[Kaddoble]

I think one thing that will tip the Nexus to sell more than previous Nexus's is the fact that its called the GALAXY nexus. Not the other way around, which I initially found interesting as it is supposed to be Google's phone. However, it is a smart business move IMHO because the average consumer knows and loves the Galaxy brand.

 

[BLD]

I think one thing that will tip the Nexus to sell more than previous Nexus's is the fact that its called the GALAXY nexus. Not the other way around, which I initially found interesting as it is supposed to be Google's phone. However, it is a smart business move IMHO because the average consumer knows and loves the Galaxy brand.

Good point. And on the marketing front who's to say that just because Verizon doesn't put much into the marketing that Google/Samsung won't? Google has clearly changed the direction of their OS design to make it more user friendly so who's to say they don't make more of a marketing push to sell Android as an OS to customers too. And Samsung has interest in pushing this phone since it would continue the success of the Galaxy branding.

 

[nj02vette]

To be fair, it was my source who told me that the phone won't be as heavily marketed as the droid.

Business development can change course very quickly, and upper management doesn't usually reveal everything to thier employees.

Look how much changed in such a short period of time.

 

[cereal killer]

you should address my post

I just completely disagree with it but I sincerely respect your opinion

 

[ThEoRy36O]

To be fair, it was my source who told me that the phone won't be as heavily marketed as the droid.

By verizon that is. Thats not to say samsung or google arent going to heavily market it though.

 

[gapi]

More than you want to know of the GN's display.

Galaxy Nexus with curved 4.65" OLED display - FlatpanelsHD

 

[rhietpas]

By verizon that is. Thats not to say samsung or google arent going to heavily market it though.

Google, for whatever reason, seems almost embarrassed to toot their own horn.

 

[cereal killer]

By verizon that is. Thats not to say samsung or google arent going to heavily market it though.

Don't count on it. Besides who cares how much money they throw at it. It's a great device and thats all that matters

 

[mongstradamus]

Google, for whatever reason, seems almost embarrassed to toot their own horn.

I just don't think Google knows how to market to consumers they could learn something from Apple in that regard.

 

[EarlyMon]

The only thing I'm about 95% sure I'll put custom on is go sms. I can't stand all this white screen crap. (the Phandroid app being one of the worst) too bright for me.

Whoa, Nellie!

Ok - this is mega important.

I'm going to respectfully request that you post this as a user request here -

Suggestion Box & Feedback - Android Forums

Please point out that a bright screen is not battery friendly to SAMOLED-type screens in addition to being irritating. If you're unsure on that point, just say I put you up to it.

Request that the Phandroid app get an option for light/dark themes to accommodate both LCD and SAMOLED users.

Phases - our Admin, The Man With The Plan and The Power - will see it, and it will 100% make a difference coming from you, one of our great members, than second-hand from me or anyone else.

Say as little or as much on this in your own words - and PLEASE Gnexers and other SAMOLED fans - chime in and make your voices heard.

The best app ideas come from the app users.

Ask for an option - a choice! - because at AndroidForums.com, we are all about choice being good!!!

And while you're there - good idea to suggest that the time for ICS and HD support is at hand.

Please be patient - our devs will need to investigate the changes required.


But nothing changes unless you, our pals, give us the feedback to make it happen!

Cheer, thanks a lot!

 

[EarlyMon]

you should address my post

I just completely disagree with it but I sincerely respect your opinion

MOD Note!

Challenging claims is a cornerstone of what we do here.

And agreeing to disagree in a friendly fashion is the highest form of politeness and discourse.

I just wanted to make this post to sincerely compliment both sides here for such respectful, outstanding posting values.

 

[BabyBlues]

Whoa, Nellie!

Ok - this is mega important.

I'm going to respectfully request that you post this as a user request here -

Suggestion Box & Feedback - Android Forums

Please point out that a bright screen is not battery friendly to SAMOLED-type screens in addition to being irritating. If you're sure on that point, just say I put you up to it.

Request that the Phandroid app get an option for light/dark themes to accommodate both LCD and SAMOLED users.

Phases - our Admin, The Man With The Plan and The Power - will see it, and it will 100% make a difference coming from you, one of our great members, than second-hand from me or anyone else.

Say as little or as much on this in your own words - and PLEASE Gnexers and other SAMOLED fans - chime in and make your voices heard.

The best app ideas come from the app users.

Ask for an option - a choice! - because at AndroidForums.com, we are all about choice being good!!!

And while you're there - good idea to suggest that the time for ICS and HD support is at hand.

Please be patient - our devs will need to investigate the changes required.


But nothing changes unless you, our pals, give us the feedback to make it happen!

Cheer, thanks a lot!

Will do (you just won't see it till Friday morning though cause I don't wanna turn on the computer and its too much to type on the phone right now)

Thanks for pointing me in that direction though.