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Pleasure. :)

I sure wish we can get that whole misunderstanding cleared up about charging levels - so many people return phones and batteries and buy into snake oil ideas over this simple misunderstanding.

I blame the makers. Can't they just put a nice graph somewhere in our user guides with a keep-it-simple explanation?

In fact - I need to go looking for that bookmark. One of our handy members actually graphed the power (draw) as the phone charged and then was used on the charger - nice - looked like a picture of a gentle roller coaster - and that what the battery's true charge would look like if you used your phone (or keep it on, it uses itself with updates and whatnot) while on the charger.

Well, Three Shall Be The Number of The Counting and The Number of The Counting Shall Be Three, so 42/3=17 -- so you're completely safe! :) :) :)

Always glad to help! :D

That graph may have been mine...I did one where I used Current Widget to measure the true capacity of the TB battery. I think others have done it as well, including someone over at XDA in (IIRC) the DINC forum.

-Nkk
 
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Also, this is a flagship device to you, me and the rest of us nerds on this and other blogs/forums. This is NOT a flagship device to Verizon. Expect them to treat it as such.

The Nexus WILL NOT be considered a Flagship phone by Verizon. Make no mistake about it, Verizon does not stand to make any money off it in any way other than initial sale whereas they get not only application buys from the Rezound and Razr, but also free advertising. Not to mention, with the Nexus S, Google really had a hand in advertising and it was not nearly as hyped as the other phones carried by the carriers. The GN will be no different.

I don't understand how Verizon can fight for an exclusivity agreement and yet not consider it a flagship phone. The first phone to launch with Ice Cream Sandwich. They may not get any bloat-money from it, but I think it is very much a flagship phone to them.
 
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Hey Nkk you still going to do that battery experiment with he nexus batteries? You mentioned that a few weeks ago I was wondering.....I will participate if so

Yup.

Actually...if Steven58 knows a tester who currently has a GNex (or if someone wants to as a certain windsock..) then we can see if it will work. Samsung has been known to not even provide the hardware on the phone to measure this from the OS, so there is a chance the experiment is a no go.

-Nkk
 
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Because I took so long to post above, I am repeating what I explained here so that everyone can see it:
DO NOT DO THIS.
I will edit in an explanation in a minute--app to computer switch.
So...that was a bit dramatic. Probably all will be fine and the phone will only pull the 1A it needs. But in theory it is a horrible bad idea that will permanantly destroy your battery.
Explanation:
Your battery is made of three (basic) parts..the anode and the cathode and nonaqeous electrolyte with a Lithium salt. When you charge your battery, you apply a voltage that forces Lithium ions (Li+) to flow out of the cathode and into the anode through the electrolyte. When you discharge the cell, the exact opposite happens. That is all fine and good, except both the anode and cathode are crystalline structures. So although in a perfect cell this diffusion from one xtal structure to another happens nicely and uniformly, in reality it does not.
Imagine an xtal structure where everything is a cube, i.e. you have neat rows and columns of molecules and these are connected via chemical bonds
File:Kubisches_Kristallsystem.jpg
File:Kubisches Kristallsystem.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note that not all xtals are this strucure, but this is the easiest to think about.
Now, to put Lithium in there, you have to have to put it in what are called interstitial spaces...the spaces in the middle of that cube. So that is where the Li+ goes. But the first layer of cubes can only hold so much lithium, and so some Li+ has to go to the interstitial spaces in second layer of cubes, etc. But to get from one interstitial space to another is not a trivial task. It requires that the xtal lattice bend and siform a bit for a tiny amount of time. That is no problem as it snaps right back to normal.
However, if you start forcing Li+ into those spaces at too quick a rate, the xtal lattice will deform so much that the energy for permanent deformation will have been reached, and it will permanently deform. You have now ruined your battery.
Most chargers that push 2A are fine...your phone will limit itself to 1A or so. But some of the chargers push 2A into a battery by upping the voltage (IIRC the iPad charger charges at ~7.2V, i.e. the proper voltage for 2 Li-Ion cells in series). The cheap ones may only go up to 6 or so V, but even that is pushing it a bit.
So...to be safe, DO NOT USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN STANDARD USB SPEC CHARGERS
On a side note, when you do this your electrolyte also has a tendency to degrade (it does taht normally, but much slower). Most batteries are vented to that the gas byproducts of degradation can go out. But if you degrade so quickly that the vent cannot release pressure fast enough, the battery explodes. That is a sight to see, but only if the battery is in a glove box. :)
PS I am a Chem Eng and Physics student at good engineering school, and I worked in a MatSci lab testing new cathode xtals that had the potential to have anywhere from 4 to 12x more capacity that current xtals used. I used to make Li-Ion batteries by hand, from the synthesizing of the cathode to pressing them into a small metal case.
If you were in the DINC thread, you may remember my battery speaches. ;)
-nkk :p

Yeah I kept checking but your hide button showed "typing" so long I thought you left or something. Anyways after reading through your explanation (very interesting btw) I decided that your first line gave the best advice :D. Thanks!! Wouldn't wanna do anything that could ruin my baby...
 
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It isn't. Not in sales numbers of course, but in the way it is marketed by Verizon. 99% (if not all) of advertisements for the iPhone are done by Apple with a tiny ending note of what carriers it can be found on.

Phones like the OG Droid, the Incredible, the Thunderbolt, the X, and now the RAZR all have gotten far more Verizon based advertising than the iPhone.

Your definition of flagship is one that I doubt many would agree with. Just because they're not 100% responsible for the marketing of a device doesn't mean it's not a flagship phone for them.
 
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Yup.

Actually...if Steven58 knows a tester who currently has a GNex (or if someone wants to as a certain windsock..) then we can see if it will work. Samsung has been known to not even provide the hardware on the phone to measure this from the OS, so there is a chance the experiment is a no go.

-Nkk


Ok well if you find out let me know and ill send you my data if you tell me what to do...ill charge my phone to full before using it as wel since I know most ppl wont want to do that lol
 
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nkk - Nicely done! :)

I think you're the candidate to make the battery info thread for this forum that will go into our sticky guide. Hope you won't mind me adding my simpler explanation - or please, I'd be honored if you just kanged out of there anything I wrote above that you think will help the community here. If you like, I'll look for that graph for you, it was pretty effective, imo.

BTW - I edited your post to include the picture - it wasn't the hide tags that were biting you - it was the fact that that wiki reference had a "File:" spec in it - a bit of web magic made the picture appear, but the true image address was below it on the wiki page. That's not terribly common for wikipedia, usually that page just works - but it does happen. ;)

PS - Ok, I see - it may indeed have been your graph that I saw hereabouts. Either way, I'll double check for you. :)
 
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It isn't. Not in sales numbers of course, but in the way it is marketed by Verizon. 99% (if not all) of advertisements for the iPhone are done by Apple with a tiny ending note of what carriers it can be found on.

Phones like the OG Droid, the Incredible, the Thunderbolt, the X, and now the RAZR all have gotten far more Verizon based advertising than the iPhone.

And along the same lines before someone brings it up, Google can only hope that some day they'll have the power to be able to tell Verizon when the Nexus is going to be released like Apple can with the iPhone.
 
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nkk - Nicely done! :)

I think you're the candidate to make the battery info thread for this forum that will go into our sticky guide. Hope you won't mind me adding my simpler explanation - or please, I'd be honored if you just kanged out of there anything I wrote above that you think will help the community here. If you like, I'll look for that graph for you, it was pretty effective, imo.

BTW - I edited your post to include the picture - it wasn't the hide tags that were biting you - it was the fact that that wiki reference had a "File:" spec in it - a bit of web magic made the picture appear, but the true image address was below it on the wiki page. That's not terribly common for wikipedia, usually that page just works - but it does happen. ;)

If you give me guidelines, I would be happy to do a real writeup. I know there are many nerds here, so could even do a post or two on the quantum basis for batteries.

I tried doing it in the DINC thread, but life took precedence and I never got anywhere.

I will have (some) time over Thanksgiving, so as I said...if you want, I will deliver. This community has given me so much...it is the least I could do.

-Nkk
 
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Actually, (unless I missed something in the last couple hours)

The 17th was confirmed to one of the site mods by what is considered a historically accurate and reliable source...

I believe the 17th was not confirmed by The Source. Rather, The Source (if I'm remembering Steven's post correctly) said he hadn't heard of anything different. But he did not say, "yep, I just checked, it's listed in our systems for the 17th." This is not to say I don't trust The Source, just that The Source (and any other source) provides us with the best information they've got, which is subject to change at any time.

This is my first time waiting for a release, so maybe I'm wrong. It just seems like in the past, with other releases that I've only casually followed on the blogs, there is usually tangible evidence this close to a release. And we don't have virtually any tangible evidence besides a "work in progress" document instructing stores to put up promotionals on the 15th and launch on the 17th (which work in progress document never revealed itself to us in final form), and inside word of mouth that may have been accurate at one point but may not be accurate anymore.

Not trying to ruffle feathers...I'm just thinking to myself that I had put a lot of faith on a date that may not be any more reliable than the past several "release dates" that have come and gone. Only time will tell.
 
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Your definition of flagship is one that I doubt many would agree with. Just because they're not 100% responsible for the marketing of a device doesn't mean it's not a flagship phone for them.

We're talking about the carrier advertising side of the term flagship, it's all in context. Of course as far as sales are concerned, the Iphone is the world's flagship, there's no denying that.
 
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I don't understand how Verizon can fight for an exclusivity agreement and yet not consider it a flagship phone. The first phone to launch with Ice Cream Sandwich. They may not get any bloat-money from it, but I think it is very much a flagship phone to them.

Honestly, none of us have a clue what's going on. I certainly can't figure out why Verizon would pass on the SGSII for an exclusive deal on the SGN. But then they turn around and sell it only on the internet?

Flagship phones don't get sold only on the internet (per Phil Nickinson's rumor that Verizon/Samsung/Google are still debating how to sell it)

I'm sure Google would be pissed if this ended up online only. For the life of me I can't think how something like this doesn't have a contract that spells all of this out in advance.

It's like Verizon had no idea what they were entering into and didn't figure it out until they were in too late.
 
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I sense a bit of a let down after the euphoria of yesterday. So, I will share an interesting oddity that has happened to me for my last two phone purchases. It has to do with family travel to my sisters house to visit. The most recent purchase was my Incredible. The dates we picked for the 12 hour drive directly interfered with online availability of the Dinc. My wife picked up on the fact that we had the same problem with my previous purchase. (I guess I drove her crazy obsessing) I would order my phone online and then have to leave town the next day for a Thanksgiving visit, only to sit and wait for our house sitter to call with the news of its arrival. So here we were at a different time of year (summer) repeating the process exactly. Skip to this year. We made plans for a Thanksgiving visit back in March, not realizing that the Gnex would be hitting around the same time. (Color me uninformed). This year's departure date is Friday the 18th. That means I'd place my order on...yup the 17th. True story. Can it happen to me three times in a row?
 
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I sense a bit of a let down after the euphoria of yesterday. So, I will share an interesting oddity that has happened to me for my last two phone purchases. It has to do with family travel to my sisters house to visit. The most recent purchase was my Incredible. The dates we picked for the 12 hour drive directly interfered with online availability of the Dinc. My wife picked up on the fact that we had the same problem with my previous purchase. (I guess I drove her crazy obsessing) I would order my phone online and then have to leave town the next day for a Thanksgiving visit, only to sit and wait for our house sitter to call with the news of its arrival. So here we were at a different time of year (summer) repeating the process exactly. Skip to this year. We made plans for a Thanksgiving visit back in March, not realizing that the Gnex would be hitting around the same time. (Color me uninformed). This year's departure date is Friday the 18th. That means I'd place my order on...yup the 17th. True story. Can it happen to me three times in a row?


Fate!
 
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