Root I just had to push it...now I've screwed it all up

[headbanger51]

Well, after having successfully rooted my droid and installing AdamZ's Smoked Glass (I think it was 4.5), I decided to try and install Bugless Beast V0.5 from AllDroid...
AllDroid - View topic - [ROM 2.1] Bugless Beast V0.5 (2/25/10) STABLE
Of course, if you look at the directions for installing with Nandroid, they say to extract the file (in this case AdamZ's Smoked Glass from the optional theme) and then place the extracted folder (singular) into the nandroid folder on the droid...except there were two folders...neither one of which was named anything "ROM-esque" so I put them both in. I wasn't too worried because I had made a full backup with nandroid only a few hours earlier when I got Smoked Glass running and configured the way I liked it. Anyhoo, tried to recover with one of the folders...got an error message. Tried with the other, got another error message. Of course, I wiped data/factory resets and the cache per the instructions. So when nothing worked, I just restored with my backup that I had made earlier.
Sweet...no problem. Except now it appears that most of my apps, many of which I paid for, are gone and all settings are wiped. And now, as I type this, I've just noticed that my phone decided to reboot on it's own.
Is this normal? Will data and my previous apps repopulate? It was my understanding that a backup created with nandroid (and I checked all the ( )'s in the backup menu) would create essentially a carbon copy of the way things were before, except that I'd have to redo my home screens. Was I mistaken?
The learning process sucks. I appreciate your help/patience.

 

[xmr405o]

Well, after having successfully rooted my droid and installing AdamZ's Smoked Glass (I think it was 4.5), I decided to try and install Bugless Beast V0.5 from AllDroid...
AllDroid - View topic - [ROM 2.1] Bugless Beast V0.5 (2/25/10) STABLE
Of course, if you look at the directions for installing with Nandroid, they say to extract the file (in this case AdamZ's Smoked Glass from the optional theme) and then place the extracted folder (singular) into the nandroid folder on the droid...except there were two folders...neither one of which was named anything "ROM-esque" so I put them both in. I wasn't too worried because I had made a full backup with nandroid only a few hours earlier when I got Smoked Glass running and configured the way I liked it. Anyhoo, tried to recover with one of the folders...got an error message. Tried with the other, got another error message. Of course, I wiped data/factory resets and the cache per the instructions. So when nothing worked, I just restored with my backup that I had made earlier.
Sweet...no problem. Except now it appears that most of my apps, many of which I paid for, are gone and all settings are wiped. And now, as I type this, I've just noticed that my phone decided to reboot on it's own.
Is this normal? Will data and my previous apps repopulate? It was my understanding that a backup created with nandroid (and I checked all the ( )'s in the backup menu) would create essentially a carbon copy of the way things were before, except that I'd have to redo my home screens. Was I mistaken?
The learning process sucks. I appreciate your help/patience.

Oh man, that sucks. Creating a Nandroid backup should restore all of your settings including your apps. Did you drop pete's ROM into a previously created Nandroid folder? Particularly the Nandroid backup you created before trying to install Pete's rom? You should have created a whole new one instead of dropping them into a previously created one. I think that's the reason why you are having problems.

As for your paid apps, you should be able to get those back since it's tied to your google account but first thing you need to do is get your droid up and running.

Good luck.

 

[ssantan2]

well I never check all the ones on advance, maybe something on that messed u up. You shouldnt even have to repopulate ur home screens with a nandroid backup. Are you sure you didnt wipe data after restoring because that would make sense or maybe the you restored the incorrect backup. any how I just check the basics(boot, data, system) and it works like a charm. Try wiping and restoring again with just those settings.

Also dont worry about your apps. the paid for ones stay attached to your google account so u dont have to repay. Also if you do a clean wipe after a restore you should see the little android and be able to have all your previously downloaded apps synced back to your phone.

 

[Redflea]

By default, a nandroid backup includes data. Unless you deselected that option before performing your backup, or unless you deselected data for your restore, your data will be there.

So unless you've messed up your nandroid, all your data/settings/apps are still there in your nandroid....

 

[meekrab]

Like the others said, I wouldn't mess with the nandroid settings. It sounds like you might have done something to your original backup. As far as the apps go, though, you should see all those you previously downloaded in the "downloads" section of the market after you sign in.

 

[headbanger51]

well I never check all the ones on advance, maybe something on that messed u up. You shouldnt even have to repopulate ur home screens with a nandroid backup. Are you sure you didnt wipe data after restoring because that would make sense or maybe the you restored the incorrect backup. any how I just check the basics(boot, data, system) and it works like a charm. Try wiping and restoring again with just those settings.

Also dont worry about your apps. the paid for ones stay attached to your google account so u dont have to repay. Also if you do a clean wipe after a restore you should see the little android and be able to have all your previously downloaded apps synced back to your phone.

I'm positive I didn't wipe anything after performing the restore. I don't know how many apps I had, but it seems to be random which ones were repopulated. Others are just missing. I got a notification in the upper window shade that many were repopulated, so I can only hope for a delayed response with the rest. Also, I probably had about 100+ contacts on my phone...only 26 repopulated. I had assumed that those contacts were periodically synched with my gmail account.

 

[headbanger51]

Like the others said, I wouldn't mess with the nandroid settings. It sounds like you might have done something to your original backup. As far as the apps go, though, you should see all those you previously downloaded in the "downloads" section of the market after you sign in.

I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember seeing (or reading) when doing a backup (there are normally 3 options checked) to check them all. I figured better to backup too much than not enough, and with something in my head about checking all options, I did when performing the backup.
THANKS to those of you who pointed me to the Downloads section of the Market. Sure enough, all my stuff (that I can remember) was there...some of which I had to install again (for free...it remembered that I paid for it).

 

[meekrab]

Sometimes it takes a while for all the contacts to sync. Make sure that you have sync turned on. It also doesn't hurt to manually backup your contacts (import to sd card from the menu options in contacts).

I hope this doesn't totally discourage you from rom'ing in the future

 

[headbanger51]

For those of you keeping score, I have all my apps...true to form you guys were shacked...right on target. Got all the apps I was missing from the downloads section of the Market. Also, I have 3 gmail accounts. I think that even though I have 96 contacts in just one account, there may have been some jackassery with having had to reinitialize my accounts when I restored...all three are up and running on my droid and are syncing as we speak. I've seen some contact info come back.
I like technology, but I hate this part. I used to do this with my computer back in the days of DOS in the lat 80s...I don't miss that sinking feeling when you know something just went terribly wrong (like when you mess with the config.sys).
Again, thanks for the help/patience. I'm gonna get this d*mn process down eventually.

 

[UBRocked]

For those of you keeping score, I have all my apps...true to form you guys were shacked...right on target. Got all the apps I was missing from the downloads section of the Market. Also, I have 3 gmail accounts. I think that even though I have 96 contacts in just one account, there may have been some jackassery with having had to reinitialize my accounts when I restored...all three are up and running on my droid and are syncing as we speak. I've seen some contact info come back.
I like technology, but I hate this part. I used to do this with my computer back in the days of DOS in the lat 80s...I don't miss that sinking feeling when you know something just went terribly wrong (like when you mess with the config.sys).
Again, thanks for the help/patience. I'm gonna get this d*mn process down eventually.

This may sound stupid but I have done it. When you went to restore your backup...did you select the backup you created or did you select the rom you downloaded?

I'll see in my list of backups that Ultimate3.7 is in there and not paying attention backup that rom (which has no user specific apps or setting). What I meant to do was backup to "my" backup named "Ultimate_3.7_2-27-10" that I set manually.

Just a thought...

 

[bigdroiddog]

Titanium backup is a great tool for rooters to back up and restore everything once you have a stable rom. Also make sure you sign in with your main hooked to market gmail account first after a wipe, i made that mistake once and lost everything but reflashed and rewiped and added main account first and all was good.

 

[headbanger51]

Sometimes it takes a while for all the contacts to sync. Make sure that you have sync turned on. It also doesn't hurt to manually backup your contacts (import to sd card from the menu options in contacts).

I hope this doesn't totally discourage you from rom'ing in the future

I will definitely do that for sure. Not discouraged...a little gunshy now, but not discouraged.

 

[headbanger51]

This may sound stupid but I have done it. When you went to restore your backup...did you select the backup you created or did you select the rom you downloaded?

I'll see in my list of backups that Ultimate3.7 is in there and not paying attention backup that rom (which has no user specific apps or setting). What I meant to do was backup to "my" backup named "Ultimate_3.7_2-27-10" that I set manually.

Just a thought...

Yeah, I rename my backups to something easily identifiable instead of all the useless numbers and letters. The two backups I have are OriginalROM and SmokedGlassv4 so I won't get confused.
It was just annoying as hell because the instructions for ROMing BB from my earlier link state to unzip the archive and then move the FOLDER to the nandroid folder on your phone. Makes sense. Except every single version of BB I downloaded has several folders when I unzip them...none of which are named anything ROM-like. So that begs the question..."Which folder do I move?"

 

[mhome]

Yeah, I rename my backups to something easily identifiable instead of all the useless numbers and letters. The two backups I have are OriginalROM and SmokedGlassv4 so I won't get confused.
It was just annoying as hell because the instructions for ROMing BB from my earlier link state to unzip the archive and then move the FOLDER to the nandroid folder on your phone. Makes sense. Except every single version of BB I downloaded has several folders when I unzip them...none of which are named anything ROM-like. So that begs the question..."Which folder do I move?"

You can create a folder and name it what you want. I named mine V5 for version 0.5.

Move the folders you download into the folder you create.

Before you do go to about phone and tell us what kernal and version you're running

 

[UBRocked]

Yeah, I rename my backups to something easily identifiable instead of all the useless numbers and letters. The two backups I have are OriginalROM and SmokedGlassv4 so I won't get confused.
It was just annoying as hell because the instructions for ROMing BB from my earlier link state to unzip the archive and then move the FOLDER to the nandroid folder on your phone. Makes sense. Except every single version of BB I downloaded has several folders when I unzip them...none of which are named anything ROM-like. So that begs the question..."Which folder do I move?"

You want to make sure that boot, data, system, and nandroid files we will call these the "rom files" are in a folder together. The folder that has these files inside is the folder that needs to be moved to your nandroid directory on your sd card.

Man, why is something like that difficult for me to explain? I hope that make sense cause it's simple...just hard to explain.

 

[headbanger51]

You can create a folder and name it what you want. I named mine V5 for version 0.5.

Move the folders you download into the folder you create.

Before you do go to about phone and tell us what kernal and version you're running

Firmware 2.0.1
Kernel 2.6.29-omap1-hgb9fcfc3e35d9-dirty walter@lanbox #50

 

[headbanger51]

You want to make sure that boot, data, system, and nandroid files we will call these the "rom files" are in a folder together. The folder that has these files inside is the folder that needs to be moved to your nandroid directory on your sd card.

Man, why is something like that difficult for me to explain? I hope that make sense cause it's simple...just hard to explain.

I appreciate it...believe me, I wish I understood it better. Here's the deal -- here are the zipped files I downloaded as part of the Bugless Beast linked to earlier in this thread; and their contents...

adamzkernell11update; META-INF (folder), system (folder), boot.img
chevykernell125update; META-INF (folder), system (folder), boot.img
Adamz's Smoked Glass (under the OPTIONAL Theme); META-INF (folder), system (folder)

Note: I'm under the impression that the "kernel" files above are actually full BB ROMs with the kernel mentioned in the filename. Adamz's SG themed version of BB above is the one I tried to install...as you can see, there were two folders (but there was no boot.img file). So what do I do with those two folders when I extract them? I put them both into my nandroid folder on my phone but I got an error message when tried to recover to them.

So what do I do with these to install whichever ROM I want? I've spent all morning reconfiguring my phone and redownloading a bunch of apps (the Market did not have all the apps I've downloaded in the "Downloads" section, but it did have all the ones I've purchased thankfully) so I want to make sure I back this puppy up properly and export everything possible to my sdcard.

 

[UBRocked]

Okay, so some background...

Used to be that updating kernels were all in nandroid format. What you have is an updater. Different way to install it. Check out below...5 minutes and you'll be good to go. The update method is fairly new so forgive me and anyone else for not catching this earlier.


I posted this today in response to another thread.

That should get you going!

Okay, here you go...I'll try to make this as clear as I can.

1) Go to AllDroid - View topic - Ultimate Droid V4.0 Bench 140 (02/27/10)

Edit - Note: Even though you may not have Ultimate 4.0 on your phone...all of the current kernels are located there and it was easy for me to find. You will see the same kernels elsewhere but they may be in nandroid format which would require your to do an advanced restore and it just updates the "boot.img"...doesn't erase file or anything but the procedure is different than the one listed here.

2) Find the section that says "Alternate Kernels"

3) Download one or more of these kernels (I say to get them all so you can store them away.

4) Note: These are all in .zip files and have various names...Before you can use any of them you HAVE TO rename them to 'update.zip' Ex. I use the droidmod's kernel and when you download it it is named something like 'droidmodupdater.zip' (or something like that). Copy that .zip file to the root directory on your sd card and then rename to 'update.zip'

5) Boot into recovery (power off and then hold 'x' while you press the power key. You can let go as soon as you see the motorola logo).

6) Go to Install

7) Select 'Allow update.zip Installation' (the screen may flicker quickly but nothing really happens (no confirmation or anything).

8) Select 'Install' and your phone will install the new kernel.

9) Back out of that menu (power key) and select 'Reboot System Now'

10) When your phone boots, go to SetCPU and configure your profiles using your new settings. You may want to play with different kernels and test which one works best for you.

Testing - To test...just use your phone. Having a lot of Forced Closes for apps is not good but random reboots are worse. If you are seeing those, turn your speed down in SetCPU or repeat steps 4-10 above using a different kernel.

Enjoy!

 

[mhome]

adamzkernell11update; META-INF (folder), system (folder), boot.img
chevykernell125update; META-INF (folder), system (folder), boot.img
Adamz's Smoked Glass (under the OPTIONAL Theme); META-INF (folder), system (folder)

Note: I'm under the impression that the "kernel" files above are actually full BB ROMs with the kernel mentioned in the filename. Adamz's SG themed version of BB above is the one I tried to install...as you can see, there were two folders (but there was no boot.img file). So what do I do with those two folders when I extract them? I put them both into my nandroid folder on my phone but I got an error message when tried to recover to them.

You are incorrect, top two "kernal" files are only for overclocking. Third changes the appearance of the UI to smoked glass (I think)

First you install the the ROM, then install the overclocking Kernal.

Here's the lowdown, there are two ways to apply a ROM. The update.zip method, or Nandroid restore. With both methods you will use the SPrecovery console. This is the console/menu you get when you hold the x button and power on your phone. You should have flashed this console to your phone when you rooted, and used it to create a Nandroid backup image. So assuming you have sprecovery:

The update.zip method:

This is the most convenient (in my opinion) way to update your ROM. Basically this will update your phones functions to add improvements, fix bugs, etc. This is typically used to update a previously installed ROM (ie go from BB rev 1.0 to BB rev 1.1) With this method you shouldn't loose any of your installed apps, widgets, settings. Basically download the ROM in update.zip form from website, onto your computer, connect your phone via usb to the computer, mount the sdcard and copy the update.zip file into the root /sdcard directory. Then boot into sprecovery console. Then select allow update.zip installation, then install /sdcard/update.zip (deprecated), reboot that pretty much does it.

The Nandroid restore method:
This is basically wiping everything and using someone elses Nandroid backup image. This is usually used for switching from one developers ROM to another, or from version 2.0.1 to 2.1. This method address's ay incompatability issues because you should be installing a known good backup, at the expense of wiping your data. Don't worry though because your data should have synced to Google, so apps, contacts can be restored, but you'll probably have to reinstall them. So Download the Nandroid backup, copy the files into a directory you create and name, copy that directory into the /sdcard/nandroid folder on the sdcard. Then lauch sprecovery on the droid, wipe cache/data and restore using the nandroid backup you downloaded.

Afer either of these methods you may want to install an alternative overclocking kernal.

 

[meekrab]

Good stuff, UBR and mhome.

To try to clear things up, I will say this:

The "Optional" kernels that are listed are basically add-ons for the ROM. None of them will work independently and cannot be installed in and of themselves.

You need to have installed the nandroid backup that is available the download links section of Pete's thread:

Download Links:
-ROM (update.zip)
-ROM (nandroid backup)
-Patcher Stock Theme (credit to Pete)
-Patcher 2.0 Lock Screen with Vibrate Tweak (credit to Xeudoxus)
-Previous ROM Versions

Once you have installed the ROM (nandroid backup), you can apply those custom kernels to your liking.

A note on unzipping the files: when I unzip the nandroid files, I just create a new directory, unzip everything into it, then move the entire directory to the nandroid folder on the SD card. When you select the backup you wish to use in nandroid, the new ROM will show up exactly as what you named the directory.

When, after you've installed the nandroid backup, you decide to start applying the optional kernels, do not unzip them. They should be placed in the root of the SD card, per the instructions in Pete's thread.

Hope this helps

 

[mhome]

Firmware 2.0.1
Kernel 2.6.29-omap1-hgb9fcfc3e35d9-dirty walter@lanbox #50

Are you still rebooting?

Anyone know who's kernel that is? doesn't sound like the the stock kernel to me, you sure you did a nandroid restore of your original image.

 

[headbanger51]

Are you still rebooting?

Anyone know who's kernel that is? doesn't sound like the the stock kernel to me, you sure you did a nandroid restore of your original image.

It came with Adamz's Smoked Glass (I think V4.5 but not quite sure). It maxes out at 950Mhz which is fine with me, but I may want to try even faster in some instances since many have not had a problem with those speeds.

 

[headbanger51]

Okay, so some background...

Used to be that updating kernels were all in nandroid format. What you have is an updater. Different way to install it. Check out below...5 minutes and you'll be good to go. The update method is fairly new so forgive me and anyone else for not catching this earlier.


I posted this today in response to another thread.

That should get you going!

This is awesome. THANKED. To be quite honest, I really enjoy Adamz's SG...the main reason why I'm still messing around is because it really pisses me off that the default screen is #2 instead of the middle one (#3) -- how ghey is that??
Thanks man...I'll get this.

 

[headbanger51]

Good stuff, UBR and mhome.

To try to clear things up, I will say this:

The "Optional" kernels that are listed are basically add-ons for the ROM. None of them will work independently and cannot be installed in and of themselves.

You need to have installed the nandroid backup that is available the download links section of Pete's thread:

Download Links:
-ROM (update.zip)
-ROM (nandroid backup)
-Patcher Stock Theme (credit to Pete)
-Patcher 2.0 Lock Screen with Vibrate Tweak (credit to Xeudoxus)
-Previous ROM Versions

Once you have installed the ROM (nandroid backup), you can apply those custom kernels to your liking.

A note on unzipping the files: when I unzip the nandroid files, I just create a new directory, unzip everything into it, then move the entire directory to the nandroid folder on the SD card. When you select the backup you wish to use in nandroid, the new ROM will show up exactly as what you named the directory.

When, after you've installed the nandroid backup, you decide to start applying the optional kernels, do not unzip them. They should be placed in the root of the SD card, per the instructions in Pete's thread.

Hope this helps

Help it did bro...and even if it didn't, I'd still "Thank" you just for the avatar ("Just because we're bereaved doesn't make us saps!!!"). I'm beginning to understand and will be mastering this stuff eventually. BTW...do I need to download only the nandroid backup or BOTH the update.zip and nandroid backup? If both, what do I do with them, since my understanding is that you only use one or the other?

 

[headbanger51]

You are incorrect, top two "kernal" files are only for overclocking. Third changes the appearance of the UI to smoked glass (I think)

First you install the the ROM, then install the overclocking Kernal.

Here's the lowdown, there are two ways to apply a ROM. The update.zip method, or Nandroid restore. With both methods you will use the SPrecovery console. This is the console/menu you get when you hold the x button and power on your phone. You should have flashed this console to your phone when you rooted, and used it to create a Nandroid backup image. So assuming you have sprecovery:

The update.zip method:

This is the most convenient (in my opinion) way to update your ROM. Basically this will update your phones functions to add improvements, fix bugs, etc. This is typically used to update a previously installed ROM (ie go from BB rev 1.0 to BB rev 1.1) With this method you shouldn't loose any of your installed apps, widgets, settings. Basically download the ROM in update.zip form from website, onto your computer, connect your phone via usb to the computer, mount the sdcard and copy the update.zip file into the root /sdcard directory. Then boot into sprecovery console. Then select allow update.zip installation, then install /sdcard/update.zip (deprecated), reboot that pretty much does it.

The Nandroid restore method:
This is basically wiping everything and using someone elses Nandroid backup image. This is usually used for switching from one developers ROM to another, or from version 2.0.1 to 2.1. This method address's ay incompatability issues because you should be installing a known good backup, at the expense of wiping your data. Don't worry though because your data should have synced to Google, so apps, contacts can be restored, but you'll probably have to reinstall them. So Download the Nandroid backup, copy the files into a directory you create and name, copy that directory into the /sdcard/nandroid folder on the sdcard. Then lauch sprecovery on the droid, wipe cache/data and restore using the nandroid backup you downloaded.

Afer either of these methods you may want to install an alternative overclocking kernal.

Great! I do have SPRecovery, but for whatever reason I felt that nandroid restores were easier. But in reading what you've written (and having updated with just the update.zip method) the update.zip method sure seems easier. But make sure I have this right: when switching from one ROM to another (e.g. SG to BB) I'll have to do a nandroid restore, correct?