Motorola releases ICS update schedule and the triumph isn't even on the list!?!

[dg61981]

WTF!!! I HATE HATE HATE Motorola for slighting us on this. We go out and get this phone because it was touted as the know all be all end all of prepaid androids and its been nothing but problem laden. And with no support idk how much longer I can hold out. Dont get me wrong, I love my triumph and the massive dev community behind it but this is pure, unadulterated b.s. All we were asking for was a little support. Hows everyone else feeling bout this? Please feel free to weigh in.

 

[marc12868]

I could care less. I knew that it was with VM. And I know they don't update their phone's so I'm not surprised.

 

[dg61981]

I could care less. I knew that it was with VM. And I know they don't update their phone's so I'm not surprised.

Screw it I'm with u. Maybe I'm just bein a diva bout all this. But damn it man, its just so damn disappointing. It just feels good to have somebody stand up there on the front line with u. But with moto and VM...neither one gives a sh*t. Disheartening bro. That's all I can say.

 

[marc12868]

Screw it I'm with u. Maybe I'm just bein a diva bout all this. But damn it man, its just so damn disappointing. It just feels good to have somebody stand up there on the front line with u. But with moto and VM...neither one gives a sh*t. Disheartening bro. That's all I can say.

It is disappointing, but there's always custom roms. And plus VM released a new phone that has "id" which is Sprint software which may be hinting at something for the future, but right now probably nothing is gonna happen. It would be nice, but I won't ever give my hopes up for something from VM...

 

[lou61166]

WTF!!! I HATE HATE HATE Motorola for slighting us on this. We go out and get this phone because it was touted as the know all be all end all of prepaid androids and its been nothing but problem laden. And with no support idk how much longer I can hold out. Dont get me wrong, I love my triumph and the massive dev community behind it but this is pure, unadulterated b.s. All we were asking for was a little support. Hows everyone else feeling bout this? Please feel free to weigh in.

The truimph is not a Motorola phone except for the emblems,and what do you expect,the old saying you get what you pay for applies here,no matter how much people try and say that prepaid customers get the same phones,perks,coverage, and service as post paid, are living in a dream world.

 

[dg61981]

The truimph is not a Motorola phone except for the emblems,and what do you expect,the old saying you get what you pay for applies here,no matter how much people try and say that prepaid customers get the same phones,perks,coverage, and service as post paid, are living in a dream world.

I guess ur right about that. Been thinking about goin mainstream wireless again. But they hurt me so bad last time I swore I'd never go back. Its like breakin up with a girl and gettin back with her, and then breakin up with her again. I hate u so much VM! Oh baby I'm sorry, I love u more than anything...kissy face! UHH!

 

[lou61166]

I guess ur right about that. Been thinking about goin mainstream wireless again. But they hurt me so bad last time I swore I'd never go back. Its like breakin up with a girl and gettin back with her, and then breakin up with her again. I hate u so much VM! Oh baby I'm sorry, I love u more than anything...kissy face! UHH!

I also went from a contract to prepaid and now back to contract,when i still had flip phone prepaid was the way to go,but when the smartphone craze started i swore i would not get hung up in it,but that changed when VM started offering them,in the beginning i was happy with the V,but after a year i wanted something that i did not have to fight with, faster data and modern hardware,and after trying the Triumph,it seemed like VM was starting to care less about a truly high end phone,and the data speeds where getting worse,i sold all my VM phones and went to Verizon and an HTC rezound,in 3 months no issues 4G LTE is insane,that's when i learned if you want a fully working smartphone running the stock ROM,then you have to think post paid, my choice worked great for me.yes in the end i pay more,but i also get more with less headaches.

 

[marc12868]

Or even prepaid with a gsm carrier like T-mo. You can use any prepaid/ postpaid phone on their prepaid plans and still get 4g speeds (well as long as it's a 4g phone). CDMA prepaid is a bit different though.

 

[Whyzor]

The Optimus V is an example of a good product at a reasonable price, the only downside it's going stale while the rest of the market moves on. The Triumph is a result of short-sighteness on VM and Motorola, both wanted to make a quick buck and run, without the long-term support that is required. It would be fine if VM allowed people to bring their own devices, but instead they have to approve everything and are the gatekeepers.

The problem is all the U.S. carriers trying to tie phones to their services, it distorts costs, fragments the market, and makes getting the latest devices a lot harder, the rest of the world has this figured out with GSM, but the U.S. lags behind because of its "free" market that allowed CDMA standard to be an alternative to GSM years ago.

Here's a recent news headline that hits the nail right on.

T-Mobile CMO Cole Brodman Clarifies Statements On Device Subsidies

 

[soundping]

Most likely it's virgin mobile keeping the upgrade from happening.
Motorola Laying Blame On Hardware Variation For Slow Updates Is Missing The Point - Carriers Are The Real Culprits (In The US, At Least)

 

[Siege10]

The Optimus V is an example of a good product at a reasonable price, the only downside it's going stale while the rest of the market moves on. The Triumph is a result of short-sighteness on VM and Motorola, both wanted to make a quick buck and run, without the long-term support that is required. It would be fine if VM allowed people to bring their own devices, but instead they have to approve everything and are the gatekeepers.

The problem is all the U.S. carriers trying to tie phones to their services, it distorts costs, fragments the market, and makes getting the latest devices a lot harder, the rest of the world has this figured out with GSM, but the U.S. lags behind because of its "free" market that allowed CDMA standard to be an alternative to GSM years ago.

Here's a recent news headline that hits the nail right on.

T-Mobile CMO Cole Brodman Clarifies Statements On Device Subsidies

im not sure what to think about that... you complain that its the free market that f%^%ed this up and if it did so be it, but the article you posted is talking about subsidies (although subsidies of a different kind) which is the government sticking its nose in the free markets business all in the name of "fair competition". They basically gave the people developing cdma money in order to keep them afloat. which if they hadn't done, then we would be gsm like everyone else... so in my opinion the "free market" did its job just fine and kicked the sh^& out of cdma, and instead of letting it die the us government stepped in and threw cdma a lifeline... just my two cents.

on a completely different note, so long as moto releases ALL the source code, i could care less if they continue to support the triumph, the source gives us all we need to support the phone ourselves and really who do you think would do a better job anyway?

 

[agentc13]

The subsidies are not from the government, but from the carriers. They are applied when you buy a new phone and sign the contract. They then bake the extra cost into the plan you agreed to in that contract. The government has nothing to do with it. It is the carriers realizing that they can make more money that way and lock consumers into a binding contract that you have to pay to get out of, or that you stick with and pay more than you should.

 

[Whyzor]

on a completely different note, so long as moto releases ALL the source code, i could care less if they continue to support the triumph, the source gives us all we need to support the phone ourselves and really who do you think would do a better job anyway?

All I was pointing out is that sometimes completely "free" market means whoever's the biggest player will attempt to do selfish things and others will be stuck with their decisions for a long time. My posted article was just a news story that came out recently that I read that brought the real issue to the forefront. The next article posted by Soundping is more relevant to the Motorola / VM situation.

As for releasing all the source code. It's nice, but they're private companies and would never release ALL of their company secrets so others can just copy it. They're only doing it currently because of the legal requirement for using Linux. As someone who works in the software industry AND has developed for the Triumph, I can tell you it is no fun at all. I get my regular salary pay for doing similar stuff and the MT work has way less payoff for the amount of time spent & effort put in, even the stuff that has source code, it's a garbled mess without documentation.

 

[rcarter10]

All I was pointing out is that sometimes completely "free" market means whoever's the biggest player will attempt to do selfish things and others will be stuck with their decisions for a long time. My posted article was just a news story that came out recently that I read that brought the real issue to the forefront. The next article posted by Soundping is more relevant to the Motorola / VM situation.

As for releasing all the source code. It's nice, but they're private companies and would never release ALL of their company secrets so others can just copy it. They're only doing it currently because of the legal requirement for using Linux. As someone who works in the software industry AND has developed for the Triumph, I can tell you it is no fun at all. I get my regular salary pay for doing similar stuff and the MT work has way less payoff for the amount of time spent & effort put in, even the stuff that has source code, it's a garbled mess without documentation.

You did a damn good job on the triumph. I love this phone, and I'm grandfathered in on the $25 a month plan. I hardly use my laptop anymore if I'm just messing around on the net, between apps and mobile pages this is like a mini tablet. Not laser fast, but good enough.

 

[wonshikee]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There's soo much option out there. Accept the fact that you get what you ultimately paid for, complaining just makes you look whiney.

You can easily go prepaid with a prepaid phone and have both suck. (VM/Boost/MetroPCS/ST)

Prepaid with a premium handset, have a sucky service but great phone (and pay a crap ton up front) (Tmo's 4G plan with any compatible phone)

Or pay for a premium service with a premium phone and pay $1k a year for less sucky service and a great phone.

 

[dg61981]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

There's soo much option out there. Accept the fact that you get what you ultimately paid for, complaining just makes you look whiney.

You can easily go prepaid with a prepaid phone and have both suck. (VM/Boost/MetroPCS/ST)

Prepaid with a premium handset, have a sucky service but great phone (and pay a crap ton up front) (Tmo's 4G plan with any compatible phone)

Or pay for a premium service with a premium phone and pay $1k a year for less sucky service and a great phone.

First off, nobody's whining. I was just saying that it would be nice to have either VM or Moto go to bat for us when it comes to development. But seeing as how this isn't really a Motorola phone, just a rebranded Huawei X6, Moto ain't going to and VM could give 2 sh*ts about us. The way they see it is probably closer to " well hell, u should just be happy u get an android with cheap service. For the most part, I'm happy with VM. But when it comes to customer service and support, they run a close second to at&t. Just sayin.

 

[Siege10]

The subsidies are not from the government, but from the carriers. They are applied when you buy a new phone and sign the contract. They then bake the extra cost into the plan you agreed to in that contract. The government has nothing to do with it. It is the carriers realizing that they can make more money that way and lock consumers into a binding contract that you have to pay to get out of, or that you stick with and pay more than you should.

i get that thanks... i was more referring to the fact that the reason cdma still exist is because of government subsidies, not about why you can buy $600 phones for $200.

All I was pointing out is that sometimes completely "free" market means whoever's the biggest player will attempt to do selfish things and others will be stuck with their decisions for a long time. My posted article was just a news story that came out recently that I read that brought the real issue to the forefront. The next article posted by Soundping is more relevant to the Motorola / VM situation.

As for releasing all the source code. It's nice, but they're private companies and would never release ALL of their company secrets so others can just copy it. They're only doing it currently because of the legal requirement for using Linux. As someone who works in the software industry AND has developed for the Triumph, I can tell you it is no fun at all. I get my regular salary pay for doing similar stuff and the MT work has way less payoff for the amount of time spent & effort put in, even the stuff that has source code, it's a garbled mess without documentation.

Whyzor im not trying to beat you up here, I'm just disagreeing with what i believe you think the cause is. as far as i am concerned letting the free market drive the tech world unhindered would be the absolute best thing that could ever happen. the reason i believe this is that i know for a fact that if what your producing isn't worth it people wont give you one bent penny for it, and you cease to exist as a company pretty fast. it doesn't matter if you're a mom and pop or at&t everyone is a slave to the almighty dollar (or whatever currency may be used where you do business). so inferior tech like cdma would have gone the way of the laser-disc if not for government subsidies.

now i am fully aware of how much work you've put into the cm7 port (partially because i use your code on my phone thanks for that btw).
as for the source code issue i will never expect them to release something that would divide their market share, however things like the touch screen driver*(just an example) for the mt is fairly innocent especially if you don't intend to continue supporting it. once again just my two cents...

-Siege10

 

[Android1993]

This is old news, over a month old. The only thing they've done recently regarding ICS and their devices, was update the time period of the releases. Motorola Triumph will not be getting ICS this year or any year, officially that is. Gingerbread is a no brainer, but they might flake on us.

 

[Whyzor]

i get that thanks... i was more referring to the fact that the reason cdma still exist is because of government subsidies, not about why you can buy $600 phones for $200.

Where did you get that CDMA standard was subsidized by the government? I've only heard some handsets that use CDMA are subsidized for very poor folks (which could just as well be GSM handsets, but Sprint's CDMA spectrum is the most widely resold by third parties to keep the end-user costs down.

The government, if anything, should've stepped in like European countries and some Asian countries and set a standard to make competition fair and equal, so that carriers compete only on the bandwidth they provide and handset makers on the hardware & software. Instead what we have now is handsets tied to certain carriers. It's the carrier's way of trying to carve out a monopoly in their own way. Companies are driven by short-term quarterly bottom line numbers, not sustainable long-term ecosystems, or efficient use of airwaves. Every carrier would be glad to take your money and provide very little service if they could get away with it. And they're able to achieve that because the hassle & high cost of switching carriers (even higher before the government mandated number porting a few years ago).

Free markets work well in theory & Econ 101. In practice those with the money will exert more power to keep their advantages at all costs and resources. It's why large companies tend to become monopolies without government intervention over time. Big banks, AT&T, Microsoft, and probably Google eventually too.

 

[millenium]

GREED IS GREED, thats why i gave up on my contract with T-mo with all their secret charges and overage fees....my MT works great and i get good coverage where i live but not where i work but im happy

 

[wonshikee]

GREED IS GREED, thats why i gave up on my contract with T-mo with all their secret charges and overage fees....my MT works great and i get good coverage where i live but not where i work but im happy

You know TMO has prepaid too right? Simple pricing w/ fees spelled out for overages.

 

[djboi2011]

couldn't care less* people lol..grammar nazi

 

[BlaZZZed]

The very same free market saw Google go from a misspelled joke to a company in the position to become a monopoly. Don't be scared of the big corporation. They, too, are mortal. Just look at the future of Microsoft now compared with the predictions we all had in the late 1990s.

 

[Whyzor]

I'm not afraid of free markets, a big proponent of it myself in principle too, just pointing out it needs some rules once in a while.

 

[wonshikee]

Free markets only work if every consumer is extremely well-informed on every subject.

Just like communism only works if every citizen isn't selfish.

Idealistic concepts that only work on paper, what is important is the governing body being reasonable, logical, and unbiased - more so than the system of government adopted.