Galaxy Nexus Subforum

[AntimonyER]

With Sprint releasing the Galaxy Nexus, I thought it might be a good idea to rename the Verizon Subforum as the LTE Nexus subforum. A lot of good info in the Verizon subforum will be applicable to the Sprint model as well.

 

[Unforgiven]

I think this would be helpful. Maybe change the other one to include the GSM tag. May help reduce misplace LTE posts in the Samsung Galaxy Nexus forum.

 

[AntimonyER]

Or perhaps add a GSM subforum too, and let the main forum be for general topics that apply to both?

 

[Phases]

I agree we need a fix for this. This is one of the victims of our current lack of a standard to handle these situations.

Let me see what we need to do and come back to this. Remind me in a couple days if you don't see something on this.

 

[SUroot]

If my input is of use, here is my suggestion.

As most devices are gsm for the most part, with a cdma counter part, I think all devices should have a single forum.

If / when a cdma version is released, either link into a cdma sub, leaving the general as general/gsm or just have 2, one for each architecture. I think carrier branding device forums should be avoided as much as possible.

Only major deviations in architecture should warrant a sub / alternate forum.

That's what id do. Id go for the first though, as general stuff will fit both but keep it in one place. Accessories, issues with gfx, etc

 

[Phases]

Talked to Rob. What are thoughts on going from this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
--Verizon Galaxy Nexus
---Verizon Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

to this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
-- (GSM) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Sprint) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (T-Mobile) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

If there are arch/brand specific questions in the parent forum, people can just put that in the thread title if they feel the need.

 

[BabyBlues]

Talked to Rob. What are thoughts on going from this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
--Verizon Galaxy Nexus
---Verizon Galaxy Nexs - All Things Root

to this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
-- (GSM) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Sprint) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (T-Mobile) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

If there are arch/brand specific questions in the parent forum, people can just put that in the thread title if they feel the need.

I like this idea. It makes it much more streamlined.

 

[Unforgiven]

Talked to Rob. What are thoughts on going from this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
--Verizon Galaxy Nexus
---Verizon Galaxy Nexs - All Things Root

to this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
-- (GSM) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Sprint) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (T-Mobile) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

If there are arch/brand specific questions in the parent forum, people can just put that in the thread title if they feel the need.

Yes!!!!:dancing2:

And how about Carrier prefixes in the main forum? I know me as a guide wouldn't mind the maintenance, it will be a heck of a lot easier than moving threads between device forums. A lot of threads that do get moved are ICS / Gnex generic but the OP mentions they are a VZW customer. We could just prefix it with general. If it is a thread along the lines of VZW LTE signal issues, its easy enough to put a VZW prefix (were it available). I know of at least five of us guides with GNex's so we have the manpower to keep it clean, and like I said, it is easier than moving threads.

 

[trophynuts]

Phases i like that layout.

 

[VoidedSaint]

wouldnt that be GSM International? considering T-Mobile would be the only GSM counterpart here to get the nexus right?

 

[Phases]

Yeah GSM International would be better I guess.

The problem with the prefix idea... there is already a prefix set assigned to device forums and I can force the usage of one.

So they would have the choice:

Verizon
T-mobile
International
Sprint
Accessories
Tips
General

...etc

..I suppose I could make new prefix sets:

(Verizon) General
(International) General
(Sprint) General
...

 

[Stigy]

I agree with the convention a few posts up Phases with a general SGN forum and then subforums for root based on device since ROMs will be different per phone/carrier.

Good stuff!

 

[agentc13]

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
-- (GSM) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Sprint) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (T-Mobile) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

:thumb:

..I suppose I could make new prefix sets:

(Verizon) General
(International) General
(Sprint) General
...

This seems like a bit more work for you now, but I think it will make it a lot easier for everyone down the road.

 

[Unforgiven]

Yeah GSM International would be better I guess.

The problem with the prefix idea... there is already a prefix set assigned to device forums and I can force the usage of one.

So they would have the choice:

Verizon
T-mobile
International
Sprint
Accessories
Tips
General

...etc

..I suppose I could make new prefix sets:

(Verizon) General
(International) General
(Sprint) General
...

I see, I also hadn't considered that Accessories (docks specifically) don't work between the GSM and LTE models. Maybe as Guides we could simply edit the thread title's for those general threads that are carrier specific. For example (prefix - thread title):
Support - Poor Reception --> Support - (VZW) Poor Reception

 

[Phases]

:thumb:


This seems like a bit more work for you now, but I think it will make it a lot easier for everyone down the road.

Not worried about work now, so much as implications this could have on the future. Not sure I want to invite having tons of different prefix sets to have to reference and look at each time I make a new device forum.

But, if that's what's best for the site then of course that's what we'll do

 

[SUroot]

to this:

-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
-- (GSM) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Verizon) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (Sprint) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root
-- (T-Mobile) Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

T-mob should be GSM.

Now this is a serious question because I don't know the answer, but how different is rooting a Verizon GNEX compared to a Sprint GNEX? How different is the architecture?

 

[Unforgiven]

T-mob should be GSM.

Now this is a serious question because I don't know the answer, but how different is rooting a Verizon GNEX compared to a Sprint GNEX? How different is the architecture?

Rooting is pretty much the same AFAIK, it's really when you get to roms, basebands, and kernels. But each ATR would have its own root guide sticky (I assume) addressing the nuances for each phone. I imagine a disclaimer that it is for the particular variant of the device as well.

 

[Phases]

Well, the problem is we need to cater to both the technical, who understand what GSM and LTE and all that is, and the average person who walks into a T-Mobile store and buys a phone and all they know about it is that it's a T-Mobile phone call the Galaxy Nexus.

GSM maybe should be "international", and leave carriers as is.

I realize there will be some amount of stuff that could go in either - but Rob didn't want to go the redirecting route.

Maybe:
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

and each will have prefix sets to differentiate.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus:
General
Tips
Accessories
(Verizon) General
(Verizon) Tips
(Verizon) Accessories
(T-Mobile) General
(T-Mobile) Tips
(T-Mobile) Accessories
.....
...

And in the ATR:
General
Verizon
Sprint
T-Mobile
.....

 

[SUroot]

Rooting is pretty much the same AFAIK, it's really when you get to roms, basebands, and kernels. But each ATR would have its own root guide sticky (I assume) addressing the nuances for each phone. I imagine a disclaimer that it is for the particular variant of the device as well.

I'm not GNEX man, so I don't have a lot of say but I wouldn't want to see that convention continued through out every new device forum.

With other devices with which I am more familiar, there is a CDMA version and a GSM version. Although, yes basebands can be different between CDMA versions (A thread for each iteration linked in the sticky), Generally processes and ROMS are interchangeable, therefore many of the issues and pitfalls will be.

I cant help but thinking this is duplicating/triplicating effort. Theres a danger people will only look in verizon all things root and spend time trying to resolve something thats already resolved in sprint. I would have thouht having as much centralised as possible would be the best thing

Couldn't it be called "International / GSM - All things root" and "CDMA (Verizon / Sprint) - All things root"? Or a description that explains which are CDMA examples?

Edit:

Well, the problem is we need to cater to both the technical, who understand what GSM and LTE and all that is, and the average person who walks into a T-Mobile store and buys a phone and all they know about it is that it's a T-Mobile phone call the Galaxy Nexus.

GSM maybe should be "international", and leave carriers as is.

I realize there will be some amount of stuff that could go in either - but Rob didn't want to go the redirecting route.

Maybe:
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

and each will have prefix sets to differentiate.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus:
General
Tips
Accessories
(Verizon) General
(Verizon) Tips
(Verizon) Accessories
(T-Mobile) General
(T-Mobile) Tips
(T-Mobile) Accessories
.....
...

And in the ATR:
General
Verizon
Sprint
T-Mobile
.....

Yes that would be much better...

 

[Unforgiven]

Well, the problem is we need to cater to both the technical, who understand what GSM and LTE and all that is, and the average person who walks into a T-Mobile store and buys a phone and all they know about it is that it's a T-Mobile phone call the Galaxy Nexus.

GSM maybe should be "international", and leave carriers as is.

I realize there will be some amount of stuff that could go in either - but Rob didn't want to go the redirecting route.

Maybe:
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

and each will have prefix sets to differentiate.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus:
General
Tips
Accessories
(Verizon) General
(Verizon) Tips
(Verizon) Accessories
(T-Mobile) General
(T-Mobile) Tips
(T-Mobile) Accessories
.....
...

And in the ATR:
General
Verizon
Sprint
T-Mobile
.....

With this scenario you would be constantly adding prefixes to the list (especially if this format is used for the GS3). Plus, guides would need specific knowledge about the devices in order to properly prefix them (GSM docks are not compatible with LTE docks for the GNex but I wouldn't know that if I wasn't an owner).

I think sticking with General, Tips, Accessories, and Support would work. All guides would be able to properly prefix threads and the guides that are familiar with the device can keep up with manually adding the prefix to the actual thread title.

 

[SUroot]

With this scenario you would be constantly adding prefixes to the list (especially if this format is used for the GS3). Plus, guides would need specific knowledge about the devices in order to properly prefix them (GSM docks are not compatible with LTE docks for the GNex but I wouldn't know that if I wasn't an owner).

I think sticking with General, Tips, Accessories, and Support would work. All guides would be able to properly prefix threads and the guides that are familiar with the device can keep up with manually adding the prefix to the actual thread title.

So:

-Gnex
--Gnex GSM / International - ATR
--Gnex CDMA / (Sprint / verizon) - ATR

Standard prefixes?

 

[agentc13]

The more I think about it, I feel the standard prefixes should be kept. I don't think it's going to be that much harder to ask what carrier someone has if they have not been specific enough with their questions. It happens with a lot of other devices already. It will also keep every device from having it's own custom prefixes.

 

[Unforgiven]

The more I think about it, I feel the standard prefixes should be kept. I don't think it's going to be that much harder to ask what carrier someone has if they have not been specific enough with their questions. It happens with a lot of other devices already. It will also keep every device from having it's own custom prefixes.

Exactly, if we wen't down the road with different prefixes, every device would have a totally different set depending on hardware variances and carrier availability. It would be a nightmare.

 

[AntimonyER]

Well, the problem is we need to cater to both the technical, who understand what GSM and LTE and all that is, and the average person who walks into a T-Mobile store and buys a phone and all they know about it is that it's a T-Mobile phone call the Galaxy Nexus.

GSM maybe should be "international", and leave carriers as is.

I realize there will be some amount of stuff that could go in either - but Rob didn't want to go the redirecting route.

Maybe:
-Samsung Galaxy Nexus
--Galaxy Nexus - All Things Root

and each will have prefix sets to differentiate.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus:
General
Tips
Accessories
(Verizon) General
(Verizon) Tips
(Verizon) Accessories
(T-Mobile) General
(T-Mobile) Tips
(T-Mobile) Accessories
.....
...

And in the ATR:
General
Verizon
Sprint
T-Mobile
.....

I think I like this the best. Plus I see some folks who reside in only the VZW or the General thread, and this would bring everyone together... A larger knowledge/experience base.

 

[Phases]

I'm torn on what to do here. A couple points in response to things I've read here though:

- Guides wouldn't have any more trouble knowing what to prefix something than they would knowing which forum to put a thread inside.

- I wouldn't need to make new prefixes for each phone, but rather just use existing prefix sets for whatever carriers are needed.

- Would it be best to group everyone together for a larger knowledge base, or would that be TOO much and a thread posted this morning would be on page 3 by tonight - thus maybe better to have the division.

I could go either way.