Ok, since we have you here and you seem to be a rational individual, perhaps I can ask you a question.A thread was closed after hundreds of off topic posts and at the very least 3 separate requests to keep it on topic. The thread is still available to view. Don't you think this has been blown just a smidgen out of proportion?
I love it, "Tyrannical Mods with an Almighty Ban Hammer"...
Yes a thread was closed, and yes, some of you are unhappy about it. I understand that, but your all acting like we destroyed the forum.
No one was Banned, either temporarily or permanently.
No one received an infraction.
No one was spoken to, publicly or privately on an individual level.
A thread was closed after hundreds of off topic posts and at the very least 3 separate requests to keep it on topic. The thread is still available to view. Don't you think this has been blown just a smidgen out of proportion?
nice...
One suggestion...and i was thinking about doing this myself...i think it would be good to get a feel for how broad the actual support for the old thread was.
So...
I would say create a poll, asking people for their direct preference in the sub-forum.
1. I prefer the old ***Official HTC Incredible*** thread and it's approach to topics, moderation, etc...
2. I don't have a preference
3. I prefer new threads to be created for new news, with each staying on its exact topics, and close moderation
I'm curious what the results are...it may drive our decision to either stay on androidforums or go elsewhere. I'm sure there are places out there that won't mind half a million people worth of visits (read: add revenue, click revenue, etc...)
vido.ardes, let me ask you this very seriously...is there any mechanism for re-opening a thread?
I think many of us feel a certain pride with that thread, its size, the incredibly valuable information that it produced (among the much smaller set of "noise"), all information tipped by large reputable sites (Engadget, Gizmodo, etc...) came from that thread, it had 7000k+ posts, over 300k visits, so i think we can all agree it was doing SOMETHING right.
I love it, "Tyrannical Mods with an Almighty Ban Hammer"...
Yes a thread was closed, and yes, some of you are unhappy about it. I understand that, but your all acting like we destroyed the forum.
No one was Banned, either temporarily or permanently.
No one received an infraction.
No one was spoken to, publicly or privately on an individual level.
A thread was closed after hundreds of off topic posts and at the very least 3 separate requests to keep it on topic. The thread is still available to view. Don't you think this has been blown just a smidgen out of proportion?
I love it, "Tyrannical Mods with an Almighty Ban Hammer"...
Yes a thread was closed, and yes, some of you are unhappy about it. I understand that, but your all acting like we destroyed the forum.
No one was Banned, either temporarily or permanently.
No one received an infraction.
No one was spoken to, publicly or privately on an individual level.
A thread was closed after hundreds of off topic posts and at the very least 3 separate requests to keep it on topic. The thread is still available to view. Don't you think this has been blown just a smidgen out of proportion?
Should of just changed the name of the thread
PS...C'mon, the BAN HAMMER pic is hilarious, I knew you guys didn't ban people from that thread, but even so, I chuckled.
The answer: Unlock and merge the Official and Unofficial threads and rename them to "Pre-release Incredible (and related topics) Discussion". Be resigned to a little off-topic banter for the time being, but reserve the right to do a little housecleaning of the absolute worst of it. Keep the sticky as a repository of what we "know". People are always free to start a new thread if there is specific issue they want to discuss.
When the Incredible is officially announced, lock the merged megathread with a final post from a mod about how we now need to move to individual topic-related threads, keep the sticky updated as the authoritative source on what we then actually KNOW.
Easy peasy.
Ok, since we have you here and you seem to be a rational individual, perhaps I can ask you a question.
How do we define what is off-topic when discussing a phone that has not been released nor officially announced or even confirmed? There are obviously some clear-cut areas, but there is a LOT of gray, especially considering how little is official from HTC or Verizon. Many complaints relate to this gray area.
And should not the same standards apply to all posters?
vido.ardes, let me ask you this very seriously...is there any mechanism for re-opening a thread?
I think many of us feel a certain pride with that thread, its size, the incredibly valuable information that it produced (among the much smaller set of "noise"), all information tipped by large reputable sites (Engadget, Gizmodo, etc...) came from that thread, it had 7000k+ posts, over 300k visits, so i think we can all agree it was doing SOMETHING right.
If we can agree to manage the obnoxious minority tacticaly (as i've said before...this implies WITH TACT), through individual warnings/infractions/bans, why can't that thread be re-opened and continue?
The answer: Unlock and merge the Official and Unofficial threads and rename them to "Pre-release Incredible (and related topics) Discussion". Be resigned to a little off-topic banter for the time being, but reserve the right to do a little housecleaning of the absolute worst of it. Keep the sticky as a repository of what we "know". People are always free to start a new thread if there is specific issue they want to discuss.
When the Incredible is officially announced, lock the merged megathread with a final post from a mod about how we now need to move to individual topic-related threads, keep the sticky updated as the authoritative source on what we then actually KNOW. If Anonimac can keep up with it, I foresee that thread becoming an almost-Wiki like source of knowledge.
Easy peasy.
That seems reasonable, I can work within those constraints.Off topic is defined as something that doesn't pertain to the thread. The thread was for info about the Incredible. Off topic meant 6 pages of post not even related to phones.
Speculation, rumours, wish lists for features, even just making crap up about it... it's still all about the phone. That's fine, it's good, we want to encourage it, but we repeatedly got complaints that the thread was getting too difficult to read, no one could find information. I have now sticked the thread with all the important info, so this should make life easier as long as it is kept up to date.
That seems reasonable, I can work within those constraints.
Can I ask for clarification on a specific issue? What about the iPhone/Apple lawsuit? I know a lot of people complained about that being off-topic, but it seemed dead-on to me.
Edit: We don't want the mods to have to waste their time micromanaging a thread, but as it becomes more clear what is and is not allowed, I believe this forum will fall into line. This is especially true since we have a lot of reasonable people that, I believe, will self-police.
I love it, "Tyrannical Mods with an Almighty Ban Hammer"...
Yes a thread was closed, and yes, some of you are unhappy about it. I understand that, but your all acting like we destroyed the forum.
No one was Banned, either temporarily or permanently.
No one received an infraction.
No one was spoken to, publicly or privately on an individual level.
A thread was closed after hundreds of off topic posts and at the very least 3 separate requests to keep it on topic. The thread is still available to view. Don't you think this has been blown just a smidgen out of proportion?
Off topic is defined as something that doesn't pertain to the thread. The thread was for info about the Incredible. Off topic meant 6 pages of post not even related to phones.
Speculation, rumours, wish lists for features, even just making crap up about it... it's still all about the phone. That's fine, it's good, we want to encourage it, but we repeatedly got complaints that the thread was getting too difficult to read, no one could find information. I have now sticked the thread with all the important info, so this should make life easier as long as it is kept up to date.
Yes, closed threads can be unlocked. I will be discussing it with the admins and the other mods as to whether or not we feel it is in the best interest of the forum and it's users to re-instate it. That being said, the way alot of users have reacted into trying to goad and provoke the mods after the thread was closed isn't promising, and I can only see I tirade of "look, they know they were wrong, we were right, stupid mods" posts. I will however promise you it will be discussed as a genuine option.
I appreciate that the thread has a lot of valuable information in it, and there were a lot of good contributors to it. It was just getting to the point were micro managing it to make sure the quality of the thread staying high was becoming a full time job. The more users that are driven to this site via that thread means the content of thread has to be better. It's no good if people are following the link to this site, ending up in that thread and then seeing pages of posts that don't even mention the incredible is it? Surely you can appreciate that
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EDIT: A good definition of off topic is the current new thread. That last half a page is about football. This is the sort of stuff we want to keep elsewhere
With all due respect, I don't think it was blown out of proportion at all. I understand why there needs to be mods and I understand why some posts need to be removed, especially if they're vulgar, slanderous, indecent, obscene, or pornographic, but to remove posts because they were off-topic is uncalled for.
Since you asked if it was blown out of proportion, I would just like to say that I personally think what was done was demoralizing and it felt like a low-blow. You make it sound like we're a bunch of babies and it was no big deal that you closed the thread, but I found your actions disrespectful to everyone that posted in that thread and I found it repulsive. Sorry.
For the record, I didn't have a problem with it when you closed those Bravo threads where there was a lot of fighting going on, but it was nothing like that in this case.
Again, with all do respect, I appreciate what you're doing, but I just wish you'd think about it and maybe handle it a little different next time.
Thank you,
Bill
Bill, one small, but i think important, clarification...
Not all posters are created equal, nor are all mods. The Mod speaking to us here is not the same person who was involved in the original thread. There is a distinct difference in tone and tact, which i appreciate, so what we have HERE is exactly what we always look for from a Mod...voice of reason and a willingness to discuss.
Not trying to be a mini-mod, but I think the reaction to this post shows we're more than willing to act like adults when we're treated like ones.Thank you, I was about to point out I am just trying to adjudicate here... I originally entered this thread because I am genuinely interested in how many people are glad it was locked, and how many wish it wasn't.
That's not to say I am going against the original mods decision, just that I am willing to hear both sides
Thank you, I was about to point out I am just trying to adjudicate here... I originally entered this thread because I am genuinely interested in how many people are glad it was locked, and how many wish it wasn't.
That's not to say I am going against the original mods decision, just that I am willing to hear both sides
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