ICS: This is why Apple iPhone trumps Android.

[Bob Maxey]

I am always amused at how many people praise Android for its ability to be customized and bang Apple because it lacks the native abilities Android devices have. Or they think Apple is great no matter what and android is the devil. Unfortunately, so many people that hate Apple do so without knowing anything past what they read on the web.

And some iDevice users hate Android and they cannot tell us why.

Fact is, buy either platform and you will have a decent phone. Android users will be happy untill their phone will nto be upgraded or the latest GingerIceCreamSnickersBar version of android is not released.

I love Apple iDevices because when you Jailbreak them, you can do much to enhance the user experience and you are not tied to apple/iTunes. And since a major focus of this site is rooting Android devices, I think one must never say that bringing up Jailbreaking is not a valid reason to praise Apple iDevices because it means you have to put work into making your iPhone customizable, while Android can be changed out of the box.

Remember, that although Apple is a closed system. they apparently seem to sell quite a few iPhones despite how "crappy" some people here seem to think they are. Millions of users are happy with the iPhone. And Apple designs closed systems that are hard to customize until you Jailbreak. That does not seem to hamper sales.

Android lets you DL and install apps that do not come from the Android Market but until you Jailbreak, iTunes is your only source for applications. Some might consider that to be a problem but millions of happy users really do not see it as a problem.

I have owned several Android devices and I recently had a chance to use an iPhone running on Cricket. It is a great phone and a great user experience all around. Better overall quality and no android phone I have used had better call clarity.

I will miss the Triumph's larger screen, however.

Android give you choices. You can pick from hundreds of models. With Apple, you have the iPhone 4 or 4s. Not much choice, but who cares? It does the job.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Duplicate post, sorry.

 

[Rxpert83]

Unless you want a slide out keyboard, or a bigger screen, or the latest hardware technology.

Sure you can jailbreak it, but its still nit open source so you can change much less.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Apple is losing the war. They know it and are trying to slow it down by suing everyone and everything.

How so?

Facts and figures please.

If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.

Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!

 

[Bob Maxey]

After all is said and done, Apple does not "trump" Android.
No way, no how.

So why is Android better than an iPhone? I can accept that you are entitled to your opinions, but occasionally, I like some specifics. Can you cite specific examples?

 

[Bob Maxey]

Unless you want a slide out keyboard, or a bigger screen, or the latest hardware technology.

Sure you can jailbreak it, but its still nit open source so you can change much less.

I'll agree with you. iOs is not open source and Android is. But so what? Very little compared to the whole is open source. If it were, you might see a different climate.

If Apple/iOS WAS open source, you might also see large numbers of phones from the big makers running iOs, rather than Android.

The lack of a bigger screen and sliding KB proves very little because Apple sells a boat load of iPhones. Apparently, it matters not much at all.

 

[zuben el genub]

Yea I read about this the other day at another site. I asked is Apple really that arrogant? Then I thought about all the lawsuits....then said I answered my own question....

Apple apparently recanted. Too much outcry.

Apple Goes Back To EPEAT - Slashdot

 

[Rachel A]

I just gotta repeat the first comment posted on the post - I found it too funny!

"Mansfield went on to state that Apple would use only genuine Congalese tantalum, African conflict diamonds, rainforest teak, and Iranian oil based lubricants; and furthermore the iOS developers would smoke only Tibetan opium. "No one else in our industry can afford to make those claims, bitches!" he cackled.

At press time, the reporters were too mellow from the complimentary Afghan bud to harsh his groove. Steve Jobs could not be reached for comment."

With thanks to the original author...

 

[Rxpert83]

The lack of a bigger screen and sliding KB proves very little because Apple sells a boat load of iPhones. Apparently, it matters not much at all.

Yes, clearly android phones with the features I mentioned are lacking in sales...

let's face it...People will buy anything apple throws out there.

 

[Mexjoker]

Yes, clearly android phones with the features I mentioned are lacking in sales...

let's face it...People will buy anything apple throws out there.

Yup, even if its already been made.

 

[Rachel A]

Saw a video the other day where Apple introduced iOS6 to the assembled throng. Boy were they impressed with the ability to share items to Facebook. Sat there thinking my 2.2 FroYo can do that - and more besides.

Apple somehow made it seem new and vibrant. That's where they excel - I really do believe we are staring at the first company who will be successfully able to polish a turd. And whilst they continue to do that the acolytes will continue to eat whatever they produce.

Google are always going to find it hard to shatter that illusion - the only way Android will make a true deep impact is when they produce 2 or 3 duds in a row...

 

[jmar]

Saw a video the other day where Apple introduced iOS6 to the assembled throng. Boy were they impressed with the ability to share items to Facebook. Sat there thinking my 2.2 FroYo can do that - and more besides.

Apple somehow made it seem new and vibrant. That's where they excel - I really do believe we are staring at the first company who will be successfully able to polish a turd. And whilst they continue to do that the acolytes will continue to eat whatever they produce.

Google are always going to find it hard to shatter that illusion - the only way Android will make a true deep impact is when they produce 2 or 3 duds in a row...

Here is where I jump in...

Apple makes a fantastic product, truly, it does. And there is no denying that the ecosystem it has built just works for the majority of it's users. That said...

Android has/will always offer(ed) THE MOST customization out of the box. And if this isn't for you, you still have a more accessible phone/tablet than that of Apple.

I praise Apple for its ability to offer its end users the ability to run an operating system that just work for them. It doesn't work for me and that is all I can speak to.

I started with Android because I couldn't afford an iPhone. I stayed with Android because it just works, for me!

jmar

 

[Adauth]

How so?

Facts and figures please.

If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.

Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!

Just search for the percentages of all smartphones and what os they are running. Over 50% of all smartphones are running android and the numbers are increasing almost every quarter in favor of android.

 

[jroc]

How so?

Facts and figures please.

If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.

Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!

My biggest problem....is the lengths Apple goes thru to protect their patents. And the types of patents they are protecting. I wonder whats so different with MS and the license deals they got from some Android manufactures....and Apple. Either MS complaints are more valid...or Apple wanna ban folks more than get license deals.

I still dont think we really know what the license deals are for. See the recent article about Apple sending cease and desist letters to ratailers about The Galaxy Tab and G Nex?

Apple sent letters requesting retailers cease Samsung Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Nexus sales, Samsung calls them ‘menacing’

Like some have mentioned.....I bet when the G Nex was appealed successfully by Samsung....Apple didnt send a revised letter....

 

[EarlyMon]

http://phandroid.com/2012/07/14/thi...marketshare-lead-samsung-tops-platforms-oems/

 

[zuben el genub]

Apple never convinced a lot of people to not buy Windows machines and now they have run into another serious competitor.

Apple did force MS Zune out, but Sandisk Sansa is still going. It isn't big enough to be a threat. I had a Sansa - did almost everything the Ipod could do, and it used a memory card. Which meant that if all I wanted was MP3s/videos that had no DRM or that I converted from somewhere - no other software to deal with. You put the card in a reader, and dragged and dropped.

I don't like the bully boy tactics. I never cared for Apple's mindset, but that's a personal preference. If anyone else likes the mindset, it's their phone/tablet, and none of my business. Threatening to sue retailers is a different kettle of fish. Almost akin to wanting a monopoly on cell phones/tablets. It won't work too well, since some of us prefer to buy our phones elsewhere, and you can get tablets in a store that has no phone (except prepaid) carrier instore, and no Ipad, either. Office Depot here carries Toshiba, Acer, and some others. No Ipad, so Apple can't bully.

 

[Speed Daemon]

I still don't see the slightest proof of the claim that Ice Cream Sandwich is proof of this alleged notmePhone trump.

Zuben el genub said most of what I'd say, but I'll say a few things in my words. My first computer was an Apple ][+. I chose it over the then-new IBM PC. My next computer was a Mac. When I got into the IT business, I often had both PC and Mac (and Sun workstation) on my desk.

I really got turned off by Apple after they decided to become an organized religion for marketing purposes. I'm not very religious myself, but it was really insulting to people of faith and insulting to my intelligence. And when the cultish Macolytes spread darkness not light, and did it in such an arrogant and stupid way, I found myself ashamed to be associated with the Apple brand and its products.

I'll admit that Apple has gotten better recently. But their new success comes from the fact that they now make boutique products, not tools. Their products that start with the lower-case "i" (apparently to remind the buyer that they don't rate proper noun status to Apple) are fashion accessories more than anything else. And Apple has done quite well in tapping into this market; good for them.

I'm no longer an Apple customer because Apple no longer sells anything that I need, plain and simple. They made a business decision that cut customers like me out of their business plan, and I couldn't care less.

When it comes to phones, I'd still be using my beloved MicroTAC today if they still made them, or if mine didn't wear out. That's the pinnacle of what I want in a phone. I don't really need the bells and whistles and the big data services that have to support them. IMHO smart phones are too large for every day carry, and too small to use as a replacement for a real computer. If someone sold a multi-service data radio with a real Ethernet plug and the option of running on PoE so I could slap it on the roof of my house or my car, I'd buy one and use it a lot more than I use my smart phone.

 

[gcobb]

There are a few things that contribute to the sales of the iphone. One is that it's a no brainer to use. Another thing is that there is a lot of hype and has always been. Android is more for those who want to get the best from their phones. Apple will never be as functionality to the end user. As for the extra apps, don't use them and be done with it. The Android phone is as powerful as you want it to be or as simple. I had an iphone too and got bored with it fast.

 

[pastafarian]

The iphone 4/4s shell design is /was an awful choice that would have got any Android mfg slammed horribly in the tech press. It's clunky, fragile and had that initial antenna issue. I'm sure they'll get away from it with the 5, but that design would have killed off any device other than one from the ultimate fanboi protected litigious fruit company.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I forgot to add...iOS has issues just like Android. And any other OS.

I suggest anyone who doesnt think so....take a gander on over to macrumors.com for starters...and just skim thru the first few pages of the iPhone troubleshooting section and just the iPhone section in general.

But those issues might not matter to the masses.

I have owned several Android phones and I have always hated the crap the manufacturer adds. Like games you can only play a few times before you have to buy the app.

My iPad is also filled with stuff I do not want, like Game Center. It takes up very little space, so I simply hide the icon.

I think some people pull apart Android and/or iOS because they are not normal users. Those gathered here are concerned more about the inner workings of the OS than Joe Public cares about the inner workings and tech crap.

You will find plenty pf web sites that complain about Android and ditto, iOS. My guess is the big issues and complaints you read do not matter to the general user and that is who Apple and Android target.

 

[Bob Maxey]

The iphone 4/4s shell design is /was an awful choice that would have got any Android mfg slammed horribly in the tech press. It's clunky, fragile and had that initial antenna issue. I'm sure they'll get away from it with the 5, but that design would have killed off any device other than one from the ultimate fanboi protected litigious fruit company.

I seriously doubt that.

It is no more fragile than my Triumph. As for the antenna issue, I am not sure it affected every user and I an sure it affects many Android users. Sales of the iPhones seem to be doing OK.

the tech press would not be complaining about the design; they would be hammered for copying Apple's design.

 

[Bob Maxey]

There are a few things that contribute to the sales of the iphone. One is that it's a no brainer to use. Another thing is that there is a lot of hype and has always been. Android is more for those who want to get the best from their phones. Apple will never be as functionality to the end user. As for the extra apps, don't use them and be done with it. The Android phone is as powerful as you want it to be or as simple. I had an iphone too and got bored with it fast.

I have never read the instructions that arrived in the box with my Android devices. No need to. Ditto Apple devices. No need to crack a book; both devices are intuitive and easy to use.

Never confuse marketing with hype. Some die hard Apple fans, sure. They buy blindly, but they are a tiny minority compared to the whole. And there are no Android Fanboi shortages, that's for sure.

As for the comment "never be as functionality to the end user" provide a few examples. Not sure you can do something I cannot do with an iPhone.

 

[Bob Maxey]

My biggest problem....is the lengths Apple goes thru to protect their patents. And the types of patents they are protecting. I wonder whats so different with MS and the license deals they got from some Android manufactures....and Apple. Either MS complaints are more valid...or Apple wanna ban folks more than get license deals.

It is their duty to protect their patents. Forgetting for a moment that the patent system needs to be looked at because it is to some degree broken; still, Apple must protect their property.

 

[watox69]

I have an IPad and a IPod,but will never buy an IPhone,TINY screen,no SD option and price.i have an EVO LTE and a Galaxy s3......oh yea both Jailbroken!

 

[Speed Daemon]

But those issues might not matter to the masses.

Who are the masses? Am I a mass? Because it matters to me. :hmmmm:

I have owned several Android phones and I have always hated the crap the manufacturer adds. Like games you can only play a few times before you have to buy the app.

That's like the crap that comes pre-installed on computers. That's why when I buy a new computer, the first thing I do is wipe the HD clean and build the OS and software the way I want it. That's why I bought a phone that Google chose as a reference platform for Android, so I could rip out all the proprietary crap and have a generic Android phone if I needed to.

I think some people pull apart Android and/or iOS because they are not normal users. Those gathered here are concerned more about the inner workings of the OS than Joe Public cares about the inner workings and tech crap.

I consider myself normal, and long since stopped caring about the OS guts. But if I did I wouldn't have much to look at with IOS because it's proprietary and closed. I chose my Android phone partly because the hardware specs made it a safe bet that it'll be a strong enough platform to last a while, so I get my money's worth. I chose partly because it had the best screen and user interface. (I was torn about getting a real keyboard, and still sometimes wish I had gotten a model with one built-in.) Blackberry and Apple were too proprietary, with lock-in hooks, and Apple was too expensive.

Isn't it possible that people choose Android phone because they feel it's a better product overall?