did android copy apple?

[cman1414]

okay so first off i am not a apple fanboy/isheep/i***/general idiot that doesnt understand android.

I was just curious what other people thought about android copying apple. I don't know the history of android, but the design, and a lot of OS basics seem to be similar. It seems as though android took iOS/iphone improved it and then apple copied them in return. So who is right and who is in the wrong?

Now if this is the dealio then why is apple suing everyone? i dont think ford has sued chevy because ford made the first automobile. I mean like its pathetic and desperate.

leading to my next point was the popular apple vs. samsung trial unfair? I know in other nations that samsung has won but people seem to care about good old (sarcastic) America. Look at the number of people in the US who have iphones like it or not most do, so was the jury basically brainwashed? unless they were 90 year old ladies who probably could care less.

and last is apples violence pointless? i mean they seem to be purist and like they promote peace but nope they are just assaulting it head on!

now is it sad that this is longer than the essay i have to write for english class? haha

-Chris D aka cman1414

 

[Doit2it]

According to Wikipedia:

Android, Inc was formed in Oct 2003 and purchased by Google in Aug 2005, which is a nearly 2 years before iOS was reveled in Jan 2007.

Of course iOS was the first to market with the original iPhone in June 2007 while the first Android phone, the HTC Dream (or G1) was released in Oct 2008.

So the question is, what did the 'theoretical' Android OS look like in 2003 and 2005. Was it an icon/touch based OS or something else. If so, did Apple copy Android? It is more than likely a case of simultaneous invention. Where both companies were exclusively working on similar ideas at the same time.

It's obvious that Steve Jobs did not believe in simultaneous invention as he had vowed to destroy Android. Unfortunately, the stream of lawsuits from the Apple camp prove that a main legacy of one of the most inventive men of current times is a hatred of competition and wanton monopolist intentions.

 

[zuben el genub]

As far as I'm concerned, the first true smartphone that worked was the original Palm Treo. Out well before Apple Iphone. It did everything available at the time.

Samsung claims Apple juror was biased | TG Daily

Let's see where they go from here. Supposed to be heard in court in Dec.

 

[cman1414]

As far as I'm concerned, the first true smartphone that worked was the original Palm Treo. Out well before Apple Iphone. It did everything available at the time.

Samsung claims Apple juror was biased | TG Daily

Let's see where they go from here. Supposed to be heard in court in Dec.

well the first smartphone dates back even older but i mean like a large screen no keyboard or any of that

the oldest phone with that design i could find was made in 1993 by ibm called the IBM Simon-the first PDA/Phone combo.

also look at

Nokia 9000 Communicator
The first smartphone series, driven by an Intel 386 CPU.

Sony Ericsson P800
This smartphone featured a touchscreen and up to 128mb of memory

Nokia 7600
One of the first 3G smartphones by Nokia, still one of the lightest and smallest

HTC Universal
This was the first 3G Pocket PC phone at HTC and the first to come with Windows Mobile

O2 XDA Flame
The XDA Flame is the first dual processor PDA-phone in the 02 line

all released before the iphone but with a similar design to the iphone, and also much better tech, dual core and 3g which the iphone lacked.

sources The Evolution of Cell Phone Design Between 1983-2009 | Webdesigner Depot

 

[Rxpert83]

Regarding the numbers of users, I actually just had to look this up for another thread. Android has a huge lead on iOS both in the states and worldwide.

In the us 52% of smart phones are androids and apple is around 32%.

The gap is even larger worldwide, with Apple getting about 14% of sales in EU. Android had 68%

 

[SIII groupie]

I think some of the major issues are anti-comptitive. I question the correctness of some patents even having been issued.

The joke I guess is Apple acts like it invented the rectangle. Didn't Apple sue the Beatles over rights to the name Apple? Beatles pre date Apple by how many years?

I am not an Apple fan. They are to be blunt, corporate fascists.

 

[Bob Maxey]

So the question is, what did the 'theoretical' Android OS look like in 2003 and 2005. Was it an icon/touch based OS or something else. If so, did Apple copy Android? It is more than likely a case of simultaneous invention. Where both companies were exclusively working on similar ideas at the same time.

It's obvious that Steve Jobs did not believe in simultaneous invention as he had vowed to destroy Android. Unfortunately, the stream of lawsuits from the Apple camp prove that a main legacy of one of the most inventive men of current times is a hatred of competition and wanton monopolist intentions.

Are you asking if Android or Apple brought us a touch screen and icons first? Clarify, please.

We are icon driven. Not sure anyone should be called a copycat because they use icons. There is/was no other choice: put application icons on the little screen. Tap to launch.

I owned a HP Palmtop and a Vaden Clio and a Cassiopeia and countless Palm Pilots. All before the iDevice and Android.

And you are correct in saying Jobs wanted Android gone.

 

[zoxxo]

Didn't Apple sue the Beatles over rights to the name Apple? Beatles pre date Apple by how many years?

I am not an Apple fan. They are to be blunt, corporate fascists.

Ahhh, it's the other way around...

Apple Corp vs. Apple computer

 

[Bob Maxey]

The joke I guess is Apple acts like it invented the rectangle. Didn't Apple sue the Beatles over rights to the name Apple? Beatles pre date Apple by how many years?

I am not an Apple fan. They are to be blunt, corporate fascists.

As I understand the story, Apple was sued by the Beatles/Apple Records Corporate over the name Apple. Apple was selling music through iTunes and there was concern that customers would become confused.

both are called Apple and both use an Apple as their logo.

Apple (the Beatles company) sells music and Apple the computer company also sells music so they must be the same.

Apparently, Apple computers made a deal not to sell music and went back on its promise.

At least that is the story as I understand it. I do not care enough to confirm, so corrections are welcome.

As for Apple being "corporate fascists" I disagree. Every cell phone company on the planet wants what Apple has and they will likely never have it. Corporations--large behemoths to mom and pop shops--want to make money and that is simply a fact.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Regarding the numbers of users, I actually just had to look this up for another thread. Android has a huge lead on iOS both in the states and worldwide.

In the us 52% of smart phones are androids and apple is around 32%.

The gap is even larger worldwide, with Apple getting about 14% of sales in EU. Android had 68%

However, Android is not a company and you are talking about sales made by many manufacturers and hundreds of phones. Android/Google provides the OS free of charge to anyone that wants to use it.

Android might have a lead overall, but Apple is but one company with just three phones on the market (OK, and an iPad) and I think that says something.

 

[Rxpert83]

However, Android is not a company and you are talking about sales made by many manufacturers and hundreds of phones. Android/Google provides the OS free of charge to anyone that wants to use it.

Android might have a lead overall, but Apple is but one company with just three phones on the market (OK, and an iPad) and I think that says something.

Op said most people in the US have apple. I was refuting that point. Nothing more

 

[Bnice]

Every cell phone company on the planet wants what Apple has and they will likely never have it. Corporations--large behemoths to mom and pop shops--want to make money and that is simply a fact.

Samsung already have what Apple has.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Every cell phone company on the planet wants what Apple has and they will likely never have it. Corporations--large behemoths to mom and pop shops--want to make money and that is simply a fact.

Samsung already have what Apple has.

I stand corrected. I do recall the long lines of Samesungers waiting in long lines for the Galaxy S III.

Apple holds a special place in the world of cell phones. Apple might have a smaller percentage of sales, but Samesong does not have the crazies, I'll tell you what.

Every cell company wants the fanboys and brand recognition Apple enjoys.

 

[EarlyMon]

Did Android copy Apple?

In the popular forums sense of historical mis-quotes, no.

In the early prototype days, three form factors were considers - the Blackberry style, the touchscreen, and slider. The first Android G1 was a slider.

Design elements by each side looked at earlier smartphone products to move forward.

Android is a Linux smartphone, there were at least two of those, one popular, on the market before Android.

As noted earlier, there's only so much that can be done with touchscreens and both borrowed heavily from previous designs.

And if this thread devolves into yet another long, blow-by-blow rehash of the points over and over that's dominated every other thread when the word Apple is used, I'm either to going to delete those posts or lock this thread.

At some point, enough of that is enough, and I think we've heard all 12,000 words possible on how Apple is great because their customers stand in line - from both sides of the fence.

Cheers, thanks!

 

[9to5cynic]

As I understand the story, Apple was sued by the Beatles/Apple Records Corporate over the name Apple. Apple was selling music through iTunes and there was concern that customers would become confused.

both are called Apple and both use an Apple as their logo.

Apple (the Beatles company) sells music and Apple the computer company also sells music so they must be the same.

Apparently, Apple computers made a deal not to sell music and went back on its promise.

That's what I've heard about the subject too. I also heard that was why it took so long for the Beatles to be on itunes. But I don't use itunes, so I don't know if the beatles are or are not on there, or for how long they have been available on itunes.

As far as who was copied.... I don't know. I don't know if anyone can know for sure. But that whole notification bar in Apple iOS sure reminds me of something I've seen somewhere else

But in all honesty, I think a little bit of 'copy' here and there is good for the consumer, and can often result in a better product.

Spoiler

but when lawsuits are as common as the cold, well, that's for another thread

 

[Prinny]

Everyone copies someone.

If you want the truth, everything has copied something from someone else.

Hell, Apple's computer OS is based fully on Linux.

Windows stole ideas from Apple.

Everyone stole ideas from IBM. IBM had the first OS made.

So meh.

 

[EarlyMon]

Mac OS X is based on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD. It uses the Mach kernel. Not Linux.

BTW - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIVAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine

 

[Prinny]

Oh, oops. I thought it was Linux, not Unix.

Well, my bad!

I always like when Early posts. I learn something new all the time.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Everyone copies someone.

If you want the truth, everything has copied something from someone else. Hell, Apple's computer OS is based fully on Linux.

Windows stole ideas from Apple.

Everyone stole ideas from IBM. IBM had the first OS made.

So meh.

And where did Linux come from? Linus took ideas from the OS he was using at the time. And even though Linux is open source, you are restricted. You must make your hard work available to others. So it is not free, exactly.

I am not sure what this means in the final wash:

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[EarlyMon]

Free software means free as in speech, not free as in beer. - Richard Stallman

You can develop whatever you want without sharing it so long as it's your work.

The case you cite is for a license violation of someone using someone else's work and violating the license agreement.

 

[dan330]

i think android and apple started buy copying others...


lately.. apple has been copying android.

 

[zuben el genub]

So it looks like Samsung might not have tried to copy the iPhone | Technically Incorrect - CNET News

 

[SamuraiBigEd]

Free software means free as in speech, not free as in beer. - Richard Stallman

You can develop whatever you want without sharing it so long as it's your work.

The case you cite is for a license violation of someone using someone else's work and violating the license agreement.

This is what I saw!:beer::cheers:

 

[zuben el genub]

Groklaw - Apple v. Samsung - More Unredacted Documents Surface Re Foreman, "Proof" of "Copying" That Isn't ~pj

 

[SamuraiBigEd]

Speaking from experience you can have all the irrefutable evidence in the world and still loose your case. I have no illusions of there ever being justice in the Apple lawsuits unless somebody succeeds in fixing our hopelessly broken legal system.