18 Kids and 9 Others Shot Dead in CT.

[ElasticNinja]

As a parent, I feel terrible for all of the parents who lost a child today. I sincerely hope that man fries in a chair or suffers terribly for his crimes.

...execution is merely the easy way out. Probably only encourages these things.

That said, the murderer is dead.

 

[dustwun77]

My wife teaches K-5. She was telling me this morning that the family of one of her kids was having to go on a trip because the 4 year old cousin is dying of leukemia and there is nothing more that can be done.

That was such a sad thought that I didn't really even want to think of it.
Now this? This is mind boggling.

 

[saptech]

Very very sad to hear. It has been reported the shooter also killed his mother at their home and then went to the school.

On a side note about statistics.

James Alan Fox of Northeastern University's School of Criminology and Criminal Justice said Friday's incident seems reminiscent of several from the late 1980s involving shooting rampages at schools.
Fox couldn't speak to the specifics of the Connecticut case, but said, "If someone is interested in punishing society where it's most vulnerable, they know that a school is a place where lots of young, innocent children, our most cherished members of society, are congregated and under their gun -- literally."

Children are often seen as "easy targets to get even with society -- or maybe it was the school. We don't know what the primary target was, and the primary motive."

Still, over the past few years, shootings in K-12 schools have become increasingly rare. After reaching a high of 63 deaths in the 2006-2007 school year, the number of people killed in "school-associated" incidents dropped to 33 last year -- lowest in two decades, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

While a few dozen children are killed each year in school, statistically speaking it remains the safest place a child will likely ever be, with the lowest chance of being killed. "When you consider the fact that there are over 50 million schoolchildren in America, the chances are over one in two million, not a high probability," said Fox. "And most cases that do occur are in high schools and less so in middle schools -- and hardly ever in elementary schools."

 

[zuben el genub]

I got a Viber text from daughter in England. She was shaken as she drove a school bus for kids this age here in the states.

She said that kids behavior and outlook on being entitled to everything seems to be worse than when she was in school and while shocked wasn't surprised. They behaved on the bus like she and her friends wouldn't even think to.

I don't think it's guns per se. I wouldn't mind seeing some stricter regulation, but it's mostly the people to whom the guns are available. These were legal, and there is no way to really identify a potential killer. I'd be more inclined to blame the violence on the movie screen and video games. Everyone seems to be inured to the violence.

It's also the mindset that everyone is entitled to what they want with no caveat that they have to work for it.

If a kid is a bully, either the school turns a blind eye or tries counseling which the bully just laughs at. There should be swift punishment for a bully or any other behavior that would endanger another. Forced detention, supervised service - like clean up the playground litter, and make the parents accountable for the kid's behavior.

Adults think motor laws and texting while driving don't apply to them. What does this tell the kids? Making an unkind remark to another person - what does this tell the kid?
Adults sail close to the wind to avoid paying a true price for a service or item -- what does this tell a kid?



If this idiot took revenge because his mother told him he had to move out, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Gmash]

I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.

 

[kevincott]

I cannot fathom what drives a person to accomplish what happened.

My thoughts are with the families of those involved.

 

[pbf98]

I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.

I remember seeing an interview of a former psychiatric ward doctor back with the Aurora shooting. He was talking about exactly that. He looked back and told about how strict they were with people thought to have mental disorders and how there wasn't much tolerance of letting them loose in public.

If you look at what if anything is left of psychiatric wards, it is nothing compared to the 70s. I think maybe we should look into what that may bring if they were to revive them.

 

[pbf98]

Not sure if anyone else caught this in the news. They went to the home of the mother of the shooter and found her dead.

His mother was a kindergarten teacher at the school but did not make it to school that morning because she was the first victim.

It is such a horrible thing I just don't understand how anyone could do such a thing. And we will never know the motive behind it all because he took his own life.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed, but at this point there are simply too many guns in circulation in this country for a law to prevent something like this. Where we should be focusing our attention is on stopping the gutting of our mental health programs in America. Mental health always seems to be an easy target for budget cuts until something like this happens. We used to have a mental hospital in my city until budget cuts closed it down. Now the closest facility is over an hour away. I don't know the details yet of this particular case, but the guy was obviously deranged. Maybe this could have been prevented with the proper care. Or maybe not, but the next one could. And there's always a next one. Btw, the governor who cut mental health care to the bone in Ohio at the time was a Democrat, so I'm not just Republican bashing.

Honest question. What laws would you suggest? This guy apparently broke a window and crawled through it to get in to the building. He broke so many different laws it's ridiculous. We have a handgun ban in Detroit. It doesn't seem to have impacted anything. We had a handgun ban in DC for a long time. It made no difference. The problem is the culture of violence we live in. You can't submerse yourself in violence 24/7 and not have it affect you.

 

[Martimus]

What is truly tragic is that there was a second tragic attack on young children yesterday that was woefully under-reported by the press. That attack occurred in Central China. 22 young children were seriously injured by a mentally ill man wielding a kitchen knife. Some of the children are believed to be in critical condition.

According to the sources that I've read, there have been 7 similar attacks in China in the last 3 years. In previous attacks, weapons used included meat cleavers and hammers.

 

[A.Nonymous]

There was also an attack on a college campus here a week or so ago that killed three people. It got no coverage. The weapon in question there was a bow and arrow.

 

[Kamau]

What is truly tragic is that there was a second tragic attack on young children yesterday that was woefully under-reported by the press. That attack occurred in Central China. 22 young children were seriously injured by a mentally ill man wielding a kitchen knife. Some of the children are believed to be in critical condition.

According to the sources that I've read, there have been 7 similar attacks in China in the last 3 years. In previous attacks, weapons used included meat cleavers and hammers.

Not to mention one that was adverted;

Okla. student allegedly planned shooting same day as Sandy Hook - CBS News

Tell me, have we just plain lost all of our sense?

 

[PrinceCorwin]

I wouldn't mind seeing some common sense gun laws passed,

Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?

 

[PrinceCorwin]

Gun laws are only obeyed by law abiding people and I'm not afraid of THEM having guns. Criminals, killers, and psychos wouldn't obey any damn gun laws. Wake up people!

 

[ElasticNinja]

Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?

Armed guards at schools? What? That's ludicrous... Why would you have people with guns at a school? To make school seem unfriendly and scary?

Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Gun laws are only obeyed by law abiding people and I'm not afraid of THEM having guns. Criminals, killers, and psychos wouldn't obey any damn gun laws. Wake up people!

Said psycho was a law abiding citizen, yet through his mother, had access to powerful firearms, with ammunition - not a hunting rifle or pistol.

C'est probl

 

[A.Nonymous]

Armed guards at schools? What? That's ludicrous... Why would you have people with guns at a school? To make school seem unfriendly and scary?

Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.

This is something we actually agree on 100%.

 

[Thechidz]

Why does everyone think that taking away our right to bear arms to defend ourselves will stop evil people from doing evil things? The only thing it prevents is our ability to defend ourselves against evil people. The evil people will STILL acquire guns illegally as they always have. Does anyone actually blame this event on the fact that Adam Lanza's mother legally owned a gun instead blaming him? I know it's a tired old adage, but for crying out loud it IS true: Guns don't kill people... people kill people. I mean, should we then outlaw knives, baseball bats, rope, and every other conceivable tool killers and psychos use to perpetuate their acts?! Actually, I think that if an armed guard was at the school (and every other school for that matter), this could have possibly been averted. We have armed guards at my college and we're old enough to defend ourselves. Why not fight fire with fire and protect our children?

bearing arms should be a privilege, not a right. entitlement is the root of the problem

 

[Thechidz]

Gun laws are only obeyed by law abiding people and I'm not afraid of THEM having guns. Criminals, killers, and psychos wouldn't obey any damn gun laws. Wake up people!

yeah wake up people. It makes soooooo much sense to make it EASIER for criminals to obtain high powered assault weapons.

 

[PrinceCorwin]

bearing arms should be a privilege, not a right. entitlement is the root of the problem

bearing arms IS a right, as declared in the U.S. Constitution. And it is ALSO a privilege... I can't own a gun being a convicted felon. Due to my mistakes, my privilege was taken away, and I understand that but law abiding citizens are granted it as a right.

 

[PrinceCorwin]

yeah wake up people. It makes soooooo much sense to make it EASIER for criminals to obtain high powered assault weapons.

Actually, it's easier to obtain illegal weapons than it is to get them legally. No red tape, just a simple transaction. Like I said, the laws are only obeyed by law abiding people. The criminals are already law breakers. And following your line of logic, we should outlaw backyard swimming pools due to the number of child drownings. The name of the enemy is Adam Lanza, not Glock or Sig

 

[PrinceCorwin]

Armed guards at schools? What? That's ludicrous... Why would you have people with guns at a school? To make school seem unfriendly and scary?

Kids shouldn't have to be prepared and trained for shootings either. That's pretty messed up.

Talking about what should or shouldn't be is denying reality. And are you actually more concerned about how FRIENDLY school seems rather than how safe it is?! In case you didn't notice, the guns showed up at school anyway, except there was no one there with a friendly gun to protect them

 

[jefboyardee]

I agree with the American Thinker:

Ponder that for a while, those of you liberals who equate the presence and availability of guns with criminal shootings. The truth operates in the obverse: it is precisely where there are the most guns and people who know how to use them where the massacres do not occur. And it is precisely where guns are not present where these slaughters do take place. That is no accident; rather it is a demonstration of the awareness of mass killers as to where it will be most expedient for them to attack, where they will have the most time to conduct their slaughter.
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[Thechidz]

I agree with the American Thinker:

Ponder that for a while, those of you liberals who equate the presence and availability of guns with criminal shootings. The truth operates in the obverse: it is precisely where there are the most guns and people who know how to use them where the massacres do not occur. And it is precisely where guns are not present where these slaughters do take place. That is no accident; rather it is a demonstration of the awareness of mass killers as to where it will be most expedient for them to attack, where they will have the most time to conduct their slaughter.
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you've convinced me1!!!!!! I SEE the light now!!!!! wow how could I have been so stupid?!?!?!?! no wonder there are so many massacres using guns in japan and england!!!!! thank you oh thank you for showing me the truth

 

[jefboyardee]

no wonder there are so many massacres using guns in japan and england

I wish I could agree with you, but here in the states, admittedly, we not only have more guns, but also have more crazed youths that were raised by the Department of