Unlinke Apple forums, as much as I hate Apple and their Drones, you can post apple stuff here and ruffle a few feathers but the discussion carries on, try that at an Apple Forum and announce Google has a new Android coming out or something along those lines, the drones come out with pitch forks all flames on, the iphone 4 is coming out with a face front camera pretty soon the fan boys will claim apple has done it again, I have had front face cameras for a few years now on Nokia's, I do give apple its credit, they have changed the smart phone market, not invented just made it more noticible , and thats a good thing,