Leaking revisions on purpose?

[smfoley1]

Im starting to feel like a guinea pig here. anybody else thinking that the revs are being leaked deliberatly and they are using us to test them and find the bugs? Its all a big conspiracy....

 

[jayjay1122]

Im starting to feel like a guinea pig here. anybody else thinking that the revs are being leaked deliberatly and they are using us to test them and find the bugs? Its all a big conspiracy....

I don't know about a conspiracy, but there may be some truth to them being deliberately leaked...or it could just be a goodhearted dev giving us a taste.

 

[Toolanddiemaker]

The second leak was fired from a unknown man on a grassy nole.

 

[chatch]

Of course they are, and you certainly are a guinea pig. They have been doing it for years. Its the easiest way to field test it. I like that they do it, and i dont mind being a guinea pig. Keeps me on the cutting edge of software.

 

[smfoley1]

I dont mind it either, I found this forum because I had called customer service with an issue I was having. Then I asked about the OTA. the guy said he had no idea when/if it would come out. Said HTC was concentrating on the Incredible. He then emailed me the link to the thread on here with the leaked revs..........and the conspiracy thing was meant as a joke.....we need a special sarcasm font....

 

[icomeanon]

it would make a lot more sense to use users as guinea pigs. no matter how big your staff is, you'll never get enough people testing in house to simulate real world useage in all possible variants. this is why so many companies that release software or hardware after doing in-house testing find that when a ton of people start to use it, it falls apart at the seams (remember the early days of the iphone, when ATT first realized they didnt have the network capabilities to keep up with all the people who ran out and bought iphones on day 1?)

having us test it, surreptitiously (pardon the spelling if i butchered that one), allows for a HUGE amount of people messing with it, putting it through all sorts of nonsense, and finding workarounds to glitches that they no longer have to find themselves.

plus, we pay THEM to test it, not the other way around. how can you go wrong with that?

 

[MOS95B]

At one time, the rumor was that MS leaked their OSes on purpose, for testing and/or advertising.

There is little to no chance a company would do that now. For one, they have more than enough willing testers so they can keep the testing in a controlled environment. Testing it in "the wild" does not allow for troubleshooting of that specific phone and its set up.

The main reason I believe iot is not an intentional leak is that we live in a litigation happy society. If someone could prove that the update was intentionally leaked, and it messed up their phone in the least little way (no ringer, for example), they would sue. They would be able to get one of those ambulance chasing lawyers, who could get them in from of a super liberal judge, and it would cost HTC/Verizon tons of money in settlements and/or bad advertising.

 

[hallstevenson]

anybody else thinking that the revs are being leaked deliberatly and they are using us to test them and find the bugs?

Without question

 

[byteware]

At one time, the rumor was that MS leaked their OSes on purpose, for testing and/or advertising.

There is little to no chance a company would do that now. For one, they have more than enough willing testers so they can keep the testing in a controlled environment. Testing it in "the wild" does not allow for troubleshooting of that specific phone and its set up.

The main reason I believe iot is not an intentional leak is that we live in a litigation happy society. If someone could prove that the update was intentionally leaked, and it messed up their phone in the least little way (no ringer, for example), they would sue. They would be able to get one of those ambulance chasing lawyers, who could get them in from of a super liberal judge, and it would cost HTC/Verizon tons of money in settlements and/or bad advertising.

Or, you know, Verizon could just replace the phone...

 

[smacky]

So if they're leaking it on purpose then they should take back Erises with 2.1 that have faults and not make a big deal out of it, right?

 

[alprazolam]

Without question

Well, Microsoft realized the value in doing huge beta tests, but just like the poster above stated, it is controlled because you send usage data to MS as part of being a beta tester.

I think there is a lot of merit to the lawsuit (suite ) thing and my reasoning is that this is a phone. The phone is often used for 911 situations or in moments of crisis. If a software is purposely leaked and a glitch causes something of this magnitude to screw up, then suing and winning in this day and age is certainly very possible.

Do they make it fairly easy for their software to be leaked? Just throw an NDA out there and a download to the file...tell the testers don't do it. They know better.

 

[vertig0730]

So if they're leaking it on purpose then they should take back Erises with 2.1 that have faults and not make a big deal out of it, right?

Somewhat, if you have 2.1 and the stores and customer service people know nothing than its on you to try to find a way to make it plausible you are a tester and you have a real issue. But, trying to get a 1.5 Eris just because you want to root might be a little bit harder to pull off.

 

[smacky]

Somewhat, if you have 2.1 and the stores and customer service people know nothing than its on you to try to find a way to make it plausible you are a tester and you have a real issue. But, trying to get a 1.5 Eris just because you want to root might be a little bit harder to pull off.

Well, I'm not talking about fraud like some people on here plan to or have committed. I'm talking about a speaker blowing out while on 2.1 and you want it exchanged.

I don't see why you would need to BS the clerks into making them believe you're a tester. Not being a tester doesn't make the software illegal.

 

[hallstevenson]

So if they're leaking it on purpose then they should take back Erises with 2.1 that have faults and not make a big deal out of it, right?

If they pushed it to our phones without the option to refuse it, you'd have a point. They haven't made anyone update to it.

 

[hallstevenson]

...and my reasoning is that this is a phone. The phone is often used for 911 situations or in moments of crisis. If a software is purposely leaked and a glitch causes something of this magnitude to screw up, then suing and winning in this day and age is certainly very possible.

See my answer to smacky above. Same thing applies. They didn't make someone install the leaked software. They can deny having any part in the leak fairly easily...

 

[smfoley1]

but, what if a verizon rep emailed you a link to get the leak? Thats how I got word of the leak..

 

[hallstevenson]

but, what if a verizon rep emailed you a link to get the leak? Thats how I got word of the leak..

If VZW knows he/she did that, I'll bet it is grounds for firing the person.

 

[alprazolam]

See my answer to smacky above. Same thing applies. They didn't make someone install the leaked software. They can deny having any part in the leak fairly easily...

You are using common sense. That's not what often prevails in a court of law. Unfortunately.

 

[MOS95B]

If they pushed it to our phones without the option to refuse it, you'd have a point. They haven't made anyone update to it.

Unfortunately, if that logic held true in the courts, McDonalds wouldn't be out a couple of million bucks because someone spilled coffee on themselves....

If the leak were intentional, it would be documented somewhere, even if it was a documant that said "make sure noone ever sees this document, but...". A good scheister gets wind that the leak was intentional, finds someone who had an emergency call fail, and gets full disclosure of all HTC/Verizon documents in relation to the Eris OS.

Then they're screwed. Most people would settle for a new phone, maybe an upgrade. Fine. Damages aren't too bad as they can re-flash the old ones for resale. But, we're talking American Consumers. There will be the percentage who feel that they are owed however many millions due to "I tried calling 911. But since the phone didn't work when I needed it, my kitten that was stuck in a tree missed a meal, causing us both emotional distress worth millions...."

Yeah, I'm cynical. I spent almost 20 years defending those idiots rights to act like that, so I earned the right to bitch about it.....

 

[SOMFW]

The "Leaks" whether they were intentional, accidental or maliciously done all come from HTC, Verizon and or some Contracted Development company that had full access to the software development of the phone.

I have said it before and I will say it again. All these people who claim they are Developers, hackers, Code Breakers etc.. are F.O.S.

All this rampant speculation, theories, I heard this, I think that is just people wasting their time. The "Leaks" Came from HTC etc, End of Story!

And as I said before the same people who bragged they Rooted the Eris 1.5, will one day brag they rooted Eris 2.1! And this will come from the same person (HTC) that gave them the root of 1.5 - you can take that to the bank.

Any Developer, hacker, cracker or Net Bragger who claims he / she can root 1.5 but not 2.1 Didn't root 1.5!

 

[hallstevenson]

Actually, they never claimed to gain root themselves. They admitted that they were basically "given the keys to the castle", i.e. a bootable ROM that allowed them root access.

 

[smacky]

The "Leaks" whether they were intentional, accidental or maliciously done all come from HTC, Verizon and or some Contracted Development company that had full access to the software development of the phone.

I have said it before and I will say it again. All these people who claim they are Developers, hackers, Code Breakers etc.. are F.O.S.

All this rampant speculation, theories, I heard this, I think that is just people wasting their time. The "Leaks" Came from HTC etc, End of Story!

And as I said before the same people who bragged they Rooted the Eris 1.5, will one day brag they rooted Eris 2.1! And this will come from the same person (HTC) that gave them the root of 1.5 - you can take that to the bank.

Any Developer, hacker, cracker or Net Bragger who claims he / she can root 1.5 but not 2.1 Didn't root 1.5!

I agree with a lot of what you said. But at the same time, I feel this applies mainly to the Eris devs. Most of them have left the Eris scene and moved on to a phone with more users so their work is more widely-accessible.

But yeah, how is 2.1 not rooted and 1.5 is? I don't care how well VZW patched it, there isn't a single Android phone that has been out for over a month that hasn't been rooted. What's wrong with the Eris scene? We all love our Erises, but it's a pissant phone. Why would VZW put all its efforts into not letting it get rooted? But the Droid was rooted before it was even out, or shortly after? Probably for the aforementioned reason.
But it does not take four months for a root. Nor does it take another two for 2.1. I honestly think the efforts have been called off and whatever can be done now, is being done. After a while, it's gonna be dead.

Actually, they never claimed to gain root themselves. They admitted that they were basically "given the keys to the castle", i.e. a bootable ROM that allowed them root access.

Most other phones "get the keys to the castle" when the phone comes out. Why was/is the Eris so different?

 

[fussgeist]

Unfortunately, if that logic held true in the courts, McDonalds wouldn't be out a couple of million bucks because someone spilled coffee on themselves....

yeah, no. jury reached its verdict that McDonald's was 80% responsible for the incident . They awarded US$200,000 in in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in in punitive damages. The jurors arrived at this figure from the suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days' worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants#cite_note-Gerlin-3 The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants#cite_note-16

If the leak were intentional, it would be documented somewhere, even if it was a documant that said "make sure noone ever sees this document, but...". A good scheister gets wind that the leak was intentional, finds someone who had an emergency call fail, and gets full disclosure of all HTC/Verizon documents in relation to the Eris OS.

they wouldn't need a full dissemination program with memos to people. they get 1 anonymous senior board member, probably the guy in charge of current OS development, have him leak it, with the understanding he's gone if it becomes public it was intentional. It gets revealed to the actual engineers there's a copy out there (by them reading this or by a supervisor letting them know to check out such and such forums), they get real world feed back in addition to in-house testing.

Then they're screwed. Most people would settle for a new phone, maybe an upgrade. Fine. Damages aren't too bad as they can re-flash the old ones for resale. But, we're talking American Consumers. There will be the percentage who feel that they are owed however many millions due to "I tried calling 911. But since the phone didn't work when I needed it, my kitten that was stuck in a tree missed a meal, causing us both emotional distress worth millions...."

Yeah, I'm cynical. I spent almost 20 years defending those idiots rights to act like that, so I earned the right to bitch about it.....

not a lawyer like you're claiming, but I don't see much of a case for "hey judge I put this random file on my phone that someone said was good, but turned out was junk, and now grandma is dead"