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Old November 28th, 2009, 08:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,

I've been taking my hero to the gym and i've been annoyed by the lack of gapless playback. I have workout CDs that go from track to track but there's always the jarring pause in between.

Are there any other music player apps that will do this?

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iphone can do this no problem at all. It's OK, by 2015 Android will have caught up....Just wait 5 years it'll all be fine in the end ;-)
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Not exactly a helpful reply, Frank. Please refrain from stirring the pot.

@chickenlump:
I'm very olde skool so all my albums are traditional one-track-at-a-time. Best thing I can suggest is d/l a few from the Market and give them a try. Remember you have 24hrs grace before being charged, so if a paid app doesn't do gapless playback you can cancel purchase within that time.
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Has ANYONE found a freaking gapless playback capable player for Android?? Something so freaking simple and no one has created one?? Am I gonna have to learn how to create apps?? Geesz.

Just venting...a lot of sarcasm there. haha
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Try d/l and using audio book readers.
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Actually as I understood it it's not such a simple thing at all (to a layman like me anyway) and I'm not surprised there doesn't seem to be an Android gapless player yet. Apple didn't crack it until the 5th gen iPod (classic)...
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.

The option would be nice!!
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The only way i found of doing this was to rip the cd again as 1 big mp3 file, then the whole album was 1 track with no gaps, but yes a player with this option would be awesome.
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Are we talking about a music player app that overlaps tracks, so there's no silence inbetween?
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.
I disagree that the majority agrees with you. It's nice to have a break when playing random songs but when you play an album, songs are often supposed to go straight from one into the other and sounds odd if there is a break in between.
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.
The majority of audio equipment has gapless playback, it's just that most CD are mixed so there's a moment of silence at the end of each track. However, on some CDs it will start to build up to song 2 at the end of track 1, for example. In that case, without gapless playback, you'll hear the song start, stop and then start again.
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The majority of audio equipment has gapless playback, it's just that most CD are mixed so there's a moment of silence at the end of each track. However, on some CDs it will start to build up to song 2 at the end of track 1, for example. In that case, without gapless playback, you'll hear the song start, stop and then start again.
Yup, if you play a normal (unmixed) album with gapless playback you wont notice any difference. You only tend to need gapless playback for mix albums, live albums and some classical stuff.

Even most supposedly gapless players dont handle it 100% correctly (hello, ipod & iphone), even though there isnt a gap there is often an audio glitch. And even for those that do handle it correctly (e.g. foobar2000 on PC) you need to have encoded the mp3's in a special way due to the way the mp3 format was designed.

Easiest approach is one large mp3 file and use a cuesheet to navigate between tracks. Again, not many players support cuesheets (players that can run the rockbox firmware being notable examples).

Unfortunately all of the supposed mp3 players on the android market seem to just be front ends, using the stock android player to actually play the files.
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What? I'm not even sure how to take this message. Explain and tell me why you said to try an audio book reader? Have you tried this? Does one work?
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The only way i found of doing this was to rip the cd again as 1 big mp3 file, then the whole album was 1 track with no gaps, but yes a player with this option would be awesome.
I've done that, but that sucks if you don't know the songs playing. I'm not asking for the world, am I? haha

(I hope everyone knows how sarcastic I can be).
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.
When you rip your music, just tell your player to make the gaps. No problem. Then you have them...Almost ALL music rippers have a gap set to default anyway. But for those of us that like to hear an album the way it was meant to be heard, I don't want that gap...And there are a LOT of us. Do a Google search on gapless playback and find out how big of an issue this is.

Not just mixed DJ CDs, but a lot of artists have intros to their songs, or their songs transition from one to another, a few examples I can think of: Tool, Pink Floyd, Madonna, Mars Volta, any concerts/live recordings,a lot of classical albums will have a song divided into different tracks...the list goes on and on...
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Actually as I understood it it's not such a simple thing at all (to a layman like me anyway) and I'm not surprised there doesn't seem to be an Android gapless player yet. Apple didn't crack it until the 5th gen iPod (classic)...
In 2007, so its been 3 years - why hasn't other technologies been able to do it? Windows Media player supports it, WinAmp supports it, hell even my 5 year old SqueezeBox supports gapless playback.

Anyway we can get WinAmp to make an Android version??
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When you rip your music, just tell your player to make the gaps. No problem. Then you have them...Almost ALL music rippers have a gap set to default anyway. But for those of us that like to hear an album the way it was meant to be heard, I don't want that gap...And there are a LOT of us. Do a Google search on gapless playback and find out how big of an issue this is.

Not just mixed DJ CDs, but a lot of artists have intros to their songs, or their songs transition from one to another, a few examples I can think of: Tool, Pink Floyd, Madonna, Mars Volta, any concerts/live recordings,a lot of classical albums will have a song divided into different tracks...the list goes on and on...
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I disagree that the majority agrees with you. It's nice to have a break when playing random songs but when you play an album, songs are often supposed to go straight from one into the other and sounds odd if there is a break in between.
Wow ok ok, I didn't know that gapless playback is quite a major problem among audio listeners. So it's just me that don't mind there's a momentary pause in between songs. LoLz.

Well, if that's the case, I also hope that a developer is able to create this feature that is of growing demand!
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Wow ok ok, I didn't know that gapless playback is quite a major problem among audio listeners. So it's just me that don't mind there's a momentary pause in between songs. LoLz.

Well, if that's the case, I also hope that a developer is able to create this feature that is of growing demand!
All the iPhone users I know are seriously thinking about dropping AT&T and getting a Nexus One. BUT everyone I know, asks how the music player is. I tell them there is no gapless playback and the default player really sucks, but I recommend Meridian. No one likes the lack of gapless playback. It's because us city folk that ride public transportation (and walk) listen to music A LOT, so we can drown out the noise (and the bums/crazies)!!! haha

I just hope Google (Android developers) realize this is a big concern. Especially if they want to kill the iPhone
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All the iPhone users I know are seriously thinking about dropping AT&T and getting a Nexus One. BUT everyone I know, asks how the music player is. I tell them there is no gapless playback and the default player really sucks, but I recommend Meridian. No one likes the lack of gapless playback. It's because us city folk that ride public transportation (and walk) listen to music A LOT, so we can drown out the noise (and the bums/crazies)!!! haha

I just hope Google (Android developers) realize this is a big concern. Especially if they want to kill the iPhone
Well, I usually use the Meridian just to watch videos. However, if i wanna listen to music, i got my mp3 player bcos i don't wanna drain my phone's batt. But seriously, iphone is overrated.
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Well, I usually use the Meridian just to watch videos. However, if i wanna listen to music, i got my mp3 player bcos i don't wanna drain my phone's batt. But seriously, iphone is overrated.
The iPhone is overrated, in your opinion.
This discussion is not about that.

You should use Meridian as your audio playback, it is quite an impressive piece of software (IMHO) AND it's free!
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If i'm right in knowing what gapless playback is then "Tunewiki" certainly seems to have it.
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The iPhone is overrated, in your opinion.
This discussion is not about that.

You should use Meridian as your audio playback, it is quite an impressive piece of software (IMHO) AND it's free!
just like its your oppinion that everyone wants gapless playback.

me? I'm happy with a little pause between songs.

also im happy knowing the difference between being sarcastic and being condescending, but hey....I'm just so sarcastic hey?
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just like its your oppinion that everyone wants gapless playback.
I don't see anyone suggesting that.

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I don't see anyone suggesting that.



Perhaps, but that doesn't make it any more appreciated.

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Apologies to randy firstly, and then to anyone else offended.

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Hi fellas,

I found a solution for gapless playback on Android. The problem is that the MP3 format isn't the best encoding choice for gapless playback, and many devices cannot play back MP3s without gaps. Since the majority of players for Android use a built-in library for music playback, chances for getting a support for MP3 gapless playback are slim.

However - OGG is a compressed music format which is gapless-friendly. I encoded a few subsequent songs from Abbey Road in OGG format, put them on my Hero (I'm using MixZing, but I'm sure the result would be the same for the default player), and voila - they played back without gaps at all - and no quirks whatsoever during song switching!

Of course, this method isn't perfect - it requires you to encode your files in OGG, and if you have your media library encoded in MP3, and no lossless sources, you will lose some quality when re-encoding to OGG. However, for those of us that store their music in lossless formats like FLAC or WavPack, this solution is great - just encode the music for the phone in OGG instead of MP3.

BTW, I'm pretty sure this will work for many other audio players as well.

Hope this helps people.

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Ogg is great, but there's no way i'm re-encoding every CD i own again. Also, i dont actually know anywhere that you can buy ogg encoded music from.

The good thing about mp3 is you can guarantee it will play on every device you will own for the forseeable future. Ogg support is still fairly rare, as is FLAC (dont think the hero will play that at all), so i'm not going to buy/rip music in a format which i may not be able to use on my next phone. Unfortunately mp3 is just a really, really crap format when it comes to gapless playback.
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The new version of museek (0.957) in the android market features (optional) gapless playback. Just enable it in the settings and adjust the value of the gap (device dependent). If you encounter any problems visit museek.ethz.ch or send an email to the developers.
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In 2007, so its been 3 years - why hasn't other technologies been able to do it? Windows Media player supports it, WinAmp supports it, hell even my 5 year old SqueezeBox supports gapless playback.
Yea definitely. The music experience on stock Android isn't nearly as good as it was with my original iPod Mini in 2004. I've been using bTunes and it makes the experience markedly better, but not having gapless playback is one of the many things that still annoys me.
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People were having this trouble with the old iRiver players until rockbox came along.
I remember someone suggested a program that 'listened' for the gaps at the beginning and end of .mp3 files and then removed them. This made less of a gap when playing them back. I cannot for the life of me remember the name of it.

Have a google on the subject as this is not a problem only on android devices but on many devices. Im sure you will be able to find something on it.
If all your mp3 files were ripped the same then they should have the same gap at the beginning and end. It would just be a matter of finding a program that does batch conversions.


As for why people want it, try listening to something like 'The Wall' by Pink Floyd with gaps, really reduces the experience

EDIT: As Mr 47 said, .mp3 are not the best for gapless playback, though i hear that LAME encoded mp3s are ok (someone correct me if im wrong). Ogg also should support it
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The new version of museek (0.957) in the android market features (optional) gapless playback. Just enable it in the settings and adjust the value of the gap (device dependent). If you encounter any problems visit museek.ethz.ch or send an email to the developers.

Have tried this as well

It works much better than some of the others

No gaps, No pauses. Simples!
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The new version of museek (0.957) in the android market features (optional) gapless playback. Just enable it in the settings and adjust the value of the gap (device dependent). If you encounter any problems visit museek.ethz.ch or send an email to the developers.
Gonna try this out, been looking for something since i got my phone since probably 95% of the music on my phone is mixed. Thanks
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what are the odds that musicexplorer and Rickardo have the same IP address ???

Try listening to 'The Wall' (Pink Floyd) without gapless playback
Will give museek a go.
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Has ANYONE found a freaking gapless playback capable player for Android?? Something so freaking simple and no one has created one?? Am I gonna have to learn how to create apps?? Geesz.

Just venting...a lot of sarcasm there. haha
Actually the problem of gapless playback of MP3 is a very challenging one to fix properly. Mostly because MP3 was never designed to handle it.

The reason ipad can do it, is purely because it's all locked into iTunes and apples content (much of which is AAC and more suited to gapless playback) All the content is encoded by apple and had the gapless metadata included in the files.

Gapless playback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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We are not the same person LOL
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OK, I hope anyone will still find my reply, I'm a bit late

Are there music players for Android that support gapless playback of WAV (!!!) files? I know I'm a bit strange, but I have stored all my music as plain WAV files because firstly, I wasn't patient enough to have them encoded to MP3 (it's slower than just "copying" them to WAV), and also, I'm a sound engineer and I'm *really* sensitive to sound degradation

So, anyone know? :-)

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Hi all, just found this thread and am trying to get something to work myself.

Best luck seems to be with OGG, but its only perfectly gapless about 50% of the time, however this is using the stock player on galaxy s.

Has anyone tried using the MPŁ and playlist method, which im told might work?

So far, ive found OGG to be slightly better than MP3 soundwise for similar file sizes, so im happy enough to work with it, knowing that most android devices of the future are likely to support it.

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The new version of museek (0.957) in the android market features (optional) gapless playback. Just enable it in the settings and adjust the value of the gap (device dependent). If you encounter any problems visit museek.ethz.ch or send an email to the developers.
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Have tried this as well

It works much better than some of the others

No gaps, No pauses. Simples!

Just tried this player... all it does is give you an option to enter a time to subtract from the tracks in order to create gapless playback. Good luck guessing the time as I tried it on just one of my albums and never got close. (You enter the time in milliseconds, default is 1000ms)

Now considering that probably every album is going to have a completely different sized gap; you would be required to change the gap time every time you listened to music, not to mention how many times you will have to trial and error to get it right. This is not anywhere near a feasible solution in my opinion...
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I've been bumbling about the internet all day trying to find a solution to this myself. I'm certainly no expert, but from what I've read, the problem seems to be something like this:

The problem with gaps between tracks in audio playback isn't in the app itself, but in the operating system. Apparently, from what I've read, the component of the Android operating system that allows audio (and possibly video?) playback is called OpenCORE. The version of OpenCORE that's attached to Android 2.1 (and possibly 2.2 as well?) is version 2.0, but the gaps between tracks issues wasn't fixed until version 2.06 (or maybe 2.07?).

Apparently, however, OpenCORE has fallen out of grace with the opensource community. (I'm not sure of the details, but I read something about their software being not entirely opensource?) So even though OpenCORE has moved on to version 2.5 now, it's possible that the newer versions will never be applied to the official operating system installed on your phone.

Like I said: One day reading a few message boards on the internet does not make me a guru. It's possible that what I've read was completely off base. If so, I welcome any corrections.

I'm making the assumption that someone could code an audio playback interface from scratch or even use opensource libraries out there to accomplish gapless playback, but it's more than likely that such a thing would take up significantly more processing power and battery life than using the software built right into the operating system - and as far as mobile apps go, that's one thing that everyone seems to be trying to avoid.
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The version of OpenCORE that's attached to Android 2.1 (and possibly 2.2 as well?) is version 2.0, but the gaps between tracks issues wasn't fixed until version 2.06 (or maybe 2.07?).
I just tried this on my Hero running 2.2. The gap is still there

It's pretty small, but definitely noticeable.
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Bump.

I'm also looking for gap-less playback.
*sigh* to think I sold my iPod touch so I could buy a Milestone.

This OS is not media friendly at all. It totally works for everything else though.

Edit: "though" at the end of the sentence
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First off, Ipod/Itunes was not the first that has gapless playback. They were a few years behind from numerous other media players. So Mac fanboys, don't get so cocky. I had a music player (Pockettunes) in my Treo that had gapless playback way before Itunes had it in their computers. So there!

Yes, gapless has become somewhat of a standard, so it's a bit disconcerting that the stock Android music player doesn't do gapless. But for Android OS, there have been a few. Lithium Music Player ($1.99) and Museek (free) claim to have gapless. I haven't tried Lithium, but Museek's success is somewhat mixed, but I think this has mostly to do with MP3 files not always being consistently ripped. When I play Ogg files, I don't even have to set it gapless and it would do gapless. As someone said before, if you have Ogg files, then some standard players can have gapless playback. IMO, Ogg is the best compressed music files out there. You can smaller bitrates and it can sound better than higher bit rate MP3, so as a result you can have more songs on your SD cards.

It can be a pain to re-rip all your music files to Ogg, but there are softwares out there that you can convert your files into Ogg in batches. I use Winamp and it has converter plugins.

Meanwhile, you can test Lithium and see how it does. And I'd appreciate the feedback on that player.
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I'm using PowerAmp, and it has a barely noticeable gap. I paid for it and everything!
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Hi, this reply might not be useful, but its just my opinion.

I'd prefer my music playback to have that momentary pause to catch a breather between different songs. And I think majority agrees with me.

Thus, since apps are built for the majority of users, this explains the lack of gapless music playback apps.
You are right, this post is not helpful.

Maybe today's kids have never actually listened to an entire CD or album at one sitting, but most people probably have, and still would like to listen to their favorite albums without having a media player decide to insert a gap between tracks. How can anyone listen to a live recording when gaps are jammed in between every track? Mixed DJ cd's? Tracks with smooth transitions? This isn't rocket science, it should be simple choice ni the preferences.
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When you rip your music, just tell your player to make the gaps. No problem. Then you have them...Almost ALL music rippers have a gap set to default anyway. But for those of us that like to hear an album the way it was meant to be heard, I don't want that gap...And there are a LOT of us. Do a Google search on gapless playback and find out how big of an issue this is.

Not just mixed DJ CDs, but a lot of artists have intros to their songs, or their songs transition from one to another, a few examples I can think of: Tool, Pink Floyd, Madonna, Mars Volta, any concerts/live recordings,a lot of classical albums will have a song divided into different tracks...the list goes on and on...
The default setting for anything should always be the "non-destructive" one. Allow the user to add a gap where there wasn't one previously if you wish, but do not create a "destructive" product that changes the media you are trying to play.
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i too am looking for a gapless playback
i listen to a lot of live albums and find it annoying to get a gap of silence between the tracks
anybody found anything yet ?

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Yep, just verified Museek works with the 'Pink Floyd - The Wall' test! It's an Advanced Setting option...

museek - smart Music Player ~ Android Application v0.9635 By Musicexplorer | Music & Audio

Funny, I was using Museek for awhile but then went and tried some other players for the fun of it, but all paths lead back to it for me. It's pretty nice!
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Currently, there is an "unstable" build of Rockbox for Droid that does gapless playback flawlessly, so it CAN be done, people. Rockbox has been doing this for years.

I use to listen to my music on a Sansa Clip and then a Sansa Fuze. None of them have gapless playback in them and Sansa would say it couldn't be done. Rockbox proved them wrong.

You can try the unstable build here: AndroidPort < Main < Wiki

Just be warned: the navigation is really wonky, but that is to be expected when it's not an official build yet. Just keep monitoring it and eventually, they will have an official build that should knock your socks off.

Oh, and Rockbox has always been completely free. No crippleware, adware, etc.
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