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Old September 24th, 2012, 02:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question HP Touchpad with ICS "SD Card Removed" Problem

I have a TP with 32gb memory running Android ICS. ICS worked fine the first few weeks after install, but now after booting I get an error message that says "SD Card Removed" even though I'm not using an SD card. The basic functions still work, but I can't use any app stored in memory because I get a message saying they aren't installed.

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Old September 24th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like you installed too many apps and moved a bunch of them to the sdcard.

What version of ICS? (old or recent)? if you can get into settings see if you can find the build date (settings... about tablet)

If it's old, you might be able to fix it by flashing a recent nightly build, like July 7th or later (plus the latest Google apps of course).
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I thought that's what it was, but I couldn't remember. It happened to me once and I had to remove some apps from the sd card. Fifty is the limit?
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Yes, 50.

Here's the discussion, but it's for CM7, not CM9, so don't install anything without confirming what you're running. Those fixes have been incorporated into CM9, but I don't know what date.

CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki
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Thanks for the advice...I got the static memory to under fifty apps and then was able to install the latest ROM's and Gapps. Working great. Thank you very much for responding...I never would have figured that out.
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Glad it's working for you now.
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Yes, 50.

Here's the discussion, but it's for CM7, not CM9, so don't install anything without confirming what you're running. Those fixes have been incorporated into CM9, but I don't know what date.

CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki

Actually it does work on CM9.
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Have a question about CM9 and yes this may be a "noob" question but for some reason I'm having a brain fart... I'm running the latest nightly (11-18-2012)I believe, the gapps I installed and always have is the ICS gapps one (the last 3 digits of the download is 429 or 439) someone was trying to tell me that I could use the latest JB gapps instead? For some reason I have suspension he is incorrect any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank You
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Have a question about CM9 and yes this may be a "noob" question but for some reason I'm having a brain fart... I'm running the latest nightly (11-18-2012)I believe, the gapps I installed and always have is the ICS gapps one (the last 3 digits of the download is 429 or 439) someone was trying to tell me that I could use the latest JB gapps instead? For some reason I have suspension he is incorrect any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank You
I'm using the 429 (gapps-ics-20120429-signed.zip) version on my Touchpad with no issues. From what I know of things, this is the version you'll want to use. I don't know that you can't use the JB gapps but, like you, I suspect it could lead to problems and I'd stick with the 4/29 version.
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Have a question about CM9 and yes this may be a "noob" question but for some reason I'm having a brain fart... I'm running the latest nightly (11-18-2012)I believe, the gapps I installed and always have is the ICS gapps one (the last 3 digits of the download is 429 or 439) someone was trying to tell me that I could use the latest JB gapps instead? For some reason I have suspension he is incorrect any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank You
You are correct in your suspicion. JB gapps is intended to be installed with Jelly Bean. April 29 ICS gapps is the correct date gapps for ics. If you ever have a question about what gapps to install with what version of Android, go have a look here:

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I'm using the 429 (gapps-ics-20120429-signed.zip) version on my Touchpad with no issues. From what I know of things, this is the version you'll want to use. I don't know that you can't use the JB gapps but, like you, I suspect it could lead to problems and I'd stick with the 4/29 version.

Yeah Mogelijk I was planning on it, just needed to be 100% sure about it... ya know Hahah! Thanks for the response, Appreciate it




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You are correct in your suspicion. JB gapps is intended to be installed with Jelly Bean. April 29 ICS gapps is the correct date gapps for ics. If you ever have a question about what gapps to install with what version of Android, go have a look here:

Goo.im Downloads - Browsing gapps
Yeah Nevertells that's what I thought and was trying to get through to him, but we always tell him bro ur hard headed! Thanks for the help too, The Link definitely narrows what I was looking for down!
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I have an HP touch pad with ICS nightly build 20130229 and gapps version 20120429 but I still got the SD card removed error after installing 50+ apps on the SD a card. I had gotten the error earlier on installing 40+ apps. then I uninstalled those apps and installed the latest nightly build ans the gapps version stated above. I even applied the fix that was given for cm7. Please advise.
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This is still your best source of help: CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki
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This is still your best source of help: CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki
I have already mentioned I applied the fix mentioned in that thread. All other options are workarounds. I don't want to limit my apps to internal storage. It is just not an acceptable option. Will CM10 solve this?
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Nothing good comes from moving apps to your sdcard. Eventually you get bit.

I suggested that link because I thought you'd find more help there than you would here.
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So I did apply the fix from that link and it even worked. It did not give any SD card error but then after few more apps I am back to square one. I want to install many apps and I don't want to use up my internal storage as it will slow down my tablet. Will installing cm10 make any difference?
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There is no sdcard slot so sdcard, internal storage= same chip, same speed. Why do you think it'll slow it down?

The only problem here is the one you're creating. =

How fast is it when you can't use it because of the sdcard error?
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Nothing good comes from moving apps to your sdcard. Eventually you get bit.

I suggested that link because I thought you'd find more help there than you would here.
What's wrong with moving apps to SDcard? I know some apps aren't movable and some apps aren't recommended to be moved. Why not move the remainder?

I tend to move all that can be moved so I don't run out of internal storage. I try to limit the number of apps I install to only those I really use because every app installed is potential for errors. Still I use quite a few apps.
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What's wrong? Vinodhc found out what's wrong.

I would think Google and CM know the best place to install apps, after all they developed your rom. You know more than them?
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There is no sdcard slot so sdcard, internal storage= same chip, same speed. Why do you think it'll slow it down?

The only problem here is the one you're creating. =

How fast is it when you can't use it because of the sdcard error?
Calibrate me. Isn't the amount of persistent storage partitioned? Might there be an advantage to attempting to move apps? I'm thinking yes.
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There may be a need if the app partition fills up.
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Calibrate me. Isn't the amount of persistent storage partitioned? Might there be an advantage to attempting to move apps? I'm thinking yes.
You all are treating the TouchPad like it's a designed, engineered and built device that was made to run Android, it's not. The CM team managed to get Android working on it, but it's not a perfect implementation. J.C. Sullins went to a lot of trouble to write a patch that increases the internal storage partition so one does not have to move apps off to the (FAKE) SD card in the TouchPad and risk running into the 50 app limit. I believe that it was mentioned previously that the moving apps off to the SD card was intended for REAL Android devices that have a REAL external SD card slot. We can all thank HP for not putting one on the TouchPad, but you cannot fault the CM team for not getting Android perfect on the TouchPad.
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So I did apply the fix from that link and it even worked. It did not give any SD card error but then after few more apps I am back to square one. I want to install many apps and I don't want to use up my internal storage as it will slow down my tablet. Will installing cm10 make any difference?
What fix did you apply? Go read my post to stef7 about this. Hopefully that explains this for you sufficiently. As long as one has enough internal memory, it's not going to slow down the device and the memory fix from the link Colchiro posted does that. And the memory fix works for all versions of CM.
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You all are treating the TouchPad like it's a designed, engineered and built device that was made to run Android, it's not. The CM team managed to get Android working on it, but it's not a perfect implementation. J.C. Sullins went to a lot of trouble to write a patch that increases the internal storage partition so one does not have to move apps off to the (FAKE) SD card in the TouchPad and risk running into the 50 app limit. I believe that it was mentioned previously that the moving apps off to the SD card was intended for REAL Android devices that have a REAL external SD card slot. We can all thank HP for not putting one on the TouchPad, but you cannot fault the CM team for not getting Android perfect on the TouchPad.
I'm not sure this is actually true. From what I recall, I've read that the Touchpad was initially built for Android and was switched to WebOS after HP bought Palm. I also recall that HP did have Android working on the Touchpad -- in fact a few Touchpad buyers got machines with Android instead of WebOS. After the Android versions of the Touchpad shipped, HP released their Android Kernel for the Touchpad.
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What fix did you apply? Go read my post to stef7 about this. Hopefully that explains this for you sufficiently. As long as one has enough internal memory, it's not going to slow down the device and the memory fix from the link Colchiro posted does that. And the memory fix works for all versions of CM.
I'm running CM10 circa 2013. I don't know what patch you are referring to, but isn't the internal memory partitioned? if yes, then I think it *could* matter if you move stuff.

I could be incorrect; I was looking for and asked for a more descriptive explanation. I'm far from stupid. (Most of the time).
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I'm running CM10 circa 2013. I don't know what patch you are referring to, but isn't the internal memory partitioned? if yes, then I think it *could* matter if you move stuff.

I could be incorrect; I was looking for and asked for a more descriptive explanation. I'm far from stupid. (Most of the time).
How am I supposed to know what patch? That was my question to vinodhc, so you will have to wait for his answer.

I don't get your question. If you want to know how the CM team sets up the memory partitions for the CM install, you will have to ask them. What I am addressing here is that moving 50 apps to ones FAKE SD card causes it to unmount. J.C. Sullins created a patch that robs up to two megs of memory from that allocated to the SD card and assigns it to the internal memory space. This gives one additional internal memory and hopefully enough that there is no need to move apps to the FAKE SD card.

Did you even read my first reply to you? I thought I gave a very detailed explanation of why one would want to increase their internal memory and not move apps off to the SD card. I originally injected myself into this discussion because every time Colchiro gave a logical answer to you and johna2u, it's like you two were not getting it.

It's very simple, try to move more than 50 apps off to the FAKE SD card and it will become unmounted. Use the memory fix provided by J.C. Sullins to increase one's internal memory, problem solved. Another easy fix for this would be not to try to install the entire Play Store on one's TouchPad.
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I'm not sure this is actually true. From what I recall, I've read that the Touchpad was initially built for Android and was switched to WebOS after HP bought Palm. I also recall that HP did have Android working on the Touchpad -- in fact a few Touchpad buyers got machines with Android instead of WebOS.
NT and I are familiar with the history.

If I recall correctly, the Android tablets that were inadvertently sold were not 100% functional, which in my mind would make them preliminary or test versions, not at all like the finished webOS product. Bear in mind they were also based on a much older version of Android, GB I think.
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I just looked this up on wikipedia because the previous comments peaked my curiosity. According to wikipedia. Android was used to test the hardware during early manufacture because webos was lagging behind and was not yet available. The touchpad was never intended to run android.
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But... it runs Android better than it runs WebOS.
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I'm really enjoying my Touch pads. It's history and the way it has been adopted by the development community is so cool. They are almost mythical beasts. I've flashed them back and forth between cm9 and cm10. I have two. One for me and one for my wife. Both were in perfect physical condition but were barely functional because they had alpha1 cm7 on them. Funky WiFi etc. I bought them for a steal. 60.00 for my 16gig and 145.00 for my wife's 32 gig. Read all the guides and now we have two awesome tablets. These are about my 11th and 12th android tablets (maybe more, I lost count) Started with a coby 7" with a resistive screen Android 2.1 (no flash support until 2.2 so I've gone full circle on that one) and first got into the forums trying to get the market on them. The moment you hit enter to start flashing something and the screen goes black is kind of a rush. Will it wake up or did I just brick it? Then something that should take ten minutes keeps you up all night because it just didn't seem to work and the tablet is dead. What did I miss? Back to pouring over the forums. My kinda fun. My wife thinks I'm crazy. What does all that have do with the topic at hand? . Nothing. I just felt like sharing.
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I usually suggest walking away while it flashing, go reroof the house or something and don't come back for about 15 minutes, otherwise you'll just kill yourself with regret.
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Good idea. Walk away. It often takes much, much longer than you think it should. The surest way to brick something is to panic and start hitting buttons, unplugging, giving it the Heimlich maneuver etc.
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I find the lines of code racing up the screen kind of mesmerizing and hypnotic. When I see my two penguin buddies pop up, I know we are off to the races. I have watched enough installs that I know that even when one of the big pauses comes along that scares so many, is just a sign of more good to come. What used to worry me was the huge wait in CM7 after the first install, watching the boot animation running and running and wondering if it would every end. And there were times when they didn't. But then all one had to do was install the from via cwm to fix it. CM9 and 10 are just light years ahead of 7.
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I like the "updating apps" in CM10, where you had only boot logo in older versions. At least you know what it's doing.
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What fix did you apply? Go read my post to stef7 about this. Hopefully that explains this for you sufficiently. As long as one has enough internal memory, it's not going to slow down the device and the memory fix from the link Colchiro posted does that. And the memory fix works for all versions of CM.
I was so disappointed that i stopped using my tp. This is the fix I applied and that too twice - The fsck_msdos fix: http://www.mediafire...g52q4zr03c3z1gx

It was posted in the thread - CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki

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The other fixes are not true fixes, but work-arounds for the 50+ apps on sdcard issue. One of them allows you to increase the size of your 'Internal storage' so you do not have to move apps to the 'sdcard'. The other allows you to move these apps back to the 'Internal storage' after you have encountered the 50+ issue.
So are you saying increasing internal storage is not a workaround?

Can you give me the link to your post to stef7
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I assume you want post #22 above.
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I was so disappointed that i stopped using my tp. This is the fix I applied and that too twice - The fsck_msdos fix: http://www.mediafire...g52q4zr03c3z1gx

It was posted in the thread - CM7: Fixes for SDCARD issues - HP Touchpad - RootzWiki

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So are you saying increasing internal storage is not a workaround?

Can you give me the link to your post to stef7
I don't get what you want us to tell you. I have given very explicit answers to stef7 and you about what the issue is and why if one does not want to run into the 50 app limit, then they install the patch that increases their internal memory so they have enough room. J.C. Sullins calls them workarounds in that thread. I never said they weren't. I'm sorry you don't like the option of having to use a workaround, but that's the only option you have. OH, to answer your other question, CM10 is not going to fix the 50 app problem. It has the same internal memory as CM9. I don't get what your problem is. The CM team created a rom that sets the internal space/data partition to 1.48GB. J.C. Sullins created a patch that gives you the option to increase it from 256mb up to 2048mb. If you add the 2048mb(2GB) patch, you end up with 3.48GB of internal space. OH, and get this. Someone figured out if you apply it twice, you end up with 5045GB internal space. You are out of options dude. It's time to workaround or go home.

And one more thing, you don't add the fsck_msdos to CM9 or 10. That patch was merged over a year ago.
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I don't get what you want us to tell you. I have given very explicit answers to stef7 and you about what the issue is and why if one does not want to run into the 50 app limit, then they install the patch that increases their internal memory so they have enough room. J.C. Sullins calls them workarounds in that thread. I never said they weren't. I'm sorry you don't like the option of having to use a workaround, but that's the only option you have. OH, to answer your other question, CM10 is not going to fix the 50 app problem. It has the same internal memory as CM9. I don't get what your problem is. The CM team created a rom that sets the internal space/data partition to 1.48GB. J.C. Sullins created a patch that gives you the option to increase it from 256mb up to 2048mb. If you add the 2048mb(2GB) patch, you end up with 3.48GB of internal space. OH, and get this. Someone figured out if you apply it twice, you end up with 5045GB internal space. You are out of options dude. It's time to workaround or go home.

And one more thing, you don't add the fsck_msdos to CM9 or 10. That patch was merged over a year ago.
Because Sullins called it a workaround and because he stated that applying the fsk_msdos fix will solve the issue and it did not I wanted to understand what was the real fix. You have answered my question that increasing the partition is the only option and that the SD card is fake anyways. Now it is clear to me. Thanks.

I just want to say one more thing. Just because you have knowledge of something that I don't does not give you the right to be arrogant or rude. Sharing of knowledge with others only increases yours. There are many other people who have knowledge of things that you do not. So remember that before you show your arrogance.
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Nevertells, I appreciate your informative posts as well. A tweaked posting style should win you more followers.
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Just because you don't like messenger doesn't make the news less accurate. NT's still one of the best sources of support we have. I'm also not known for my patience or finesse. </endrant>

As a test, I tried the 512 mb patch to increase the data partition on my wife's TP, but it failed so I used the webOS app "tailor", to fix the errors in my data partition. I then used tailor to resize data to 2012 mb. Turns out the errors were fixed, but I ended up with 2047 files in my \data\lost+found folder, which took over an hour to delete.
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Colchiro. The style and delivery are worth some introspection... Look at it as constructive comments offered to NT, that if operationalized, will never cease to serve him, and thus others many times over. The issue was never the message. S.
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I understand how Nevertells can lose his patience from time to time. I'm a moderator on another forum and sometimes it can seem as if you are answering the same question a hundred times over and you know the answer is already there in black and white if the person would just read the %&$# forum posts!!! But you just have to remember there are new people every day discovering the joys of Android, touch pads, knitting or whatever the subject is and be nice.
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What's wrong? Vinodhc found out what's wrong.

I would think Google and CM know the best place to install apps, after all they developed your rom. You know more than them?
I guess I missed your reply to my question. Moving apps to sdcard is a basic function of android. There's a button right there in settings -> apps . Move to sdcard/move to tablet. Google built in that feature and it is in the cm version too. You say it causes problems. I'd like more info on that if you don't mind. I know some apps can't be moved but most seem fine to me. I've never had any issues moving apps to sdcard. But if there is a reason I shouldn't do it I'd like to know what it is.
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The problem isn't from moving an occasional app, it's when the privilege gets abused.
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I'm still not getting why exactly it's a problem. Moving apps to sdcard frees up internal storage. I move as many as possible to sdcard. File managers, systems tools, and apps with widgets don't like to be moved but otherwise I don't see an issue.

In my other life I have a Le Pan ll tablet. Very similar specs to the touchpad. Same processor etc. It's biggest flaw (other than they never released source code) is the sdcard situation. It has 8 GB built in storage and a removable 32 GB card. The problem with the Le Pan is the removable card is designated sdcard2. There is no way to move apps to sdcard 2 so you are stuck with the limited internal 8 GB sdcard. (5.25 available). You run out of room quick on that machine. Apps to SD has been a big topic in Le Pan Land.

In general I think its best to limit the number of apps to only those you really use. Every app installed is an opportunity for problems. People tend to load up on apps because they are free for the most part. Don't be an app piggy, I say!

But anyway I've never heard that app to SD is a bad thing in general. So what's the reasoning?
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In general I think its best to limit the number of apps to only those you really use. Every app installed is an opportunity for problems.
That's the problem.

There's no performance gain on the TP by moving an app to the sdcard because it has no sdcard slot. The "sdcard" is just another partition on the same chip as internal storage.

The problem is when they try to move all of them to the scard.
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@vinodhc and stef7,

If you think my post was rude and arrogant, then you have not seen me in action. Post #38 was tame by my standards. If fact I thought it was quite helpful. I covered the 50 app limit again, answered the question about CM10 not fixing it, mentioned the options one has using the different memory patches and even mentioned a little trick that most folks don't know about. And I cleared up the fact that you were trying to install a patch(fsck_msdos) that had already been merged.
I even put a cute little smiley face at the end to indicate a friendly tone to my post.

You should try tracking some of my others posts here and elsewhere. I'm generally a nice guy and only loose my patience when folks repeatedly ignore the advice given. And you were kind of starting to do that.

It seems we are all on the same page now, so let's press forward.

(Note the little smiley face again)
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I am nowhere being on the same page. You proved my point again though. Kudos.
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@vinodhc and stef7,

If you think my post was rude and arrogant, then you have not seen me in action. Post #38 was tame by my standards. If fact I thought it was quite helpful. I covered the 50 app limit again, answered the question about CM10 not fixing it, mentioned the options one has using the different memory patches and even mentioned a little trick that most folks don't know about. And I cleared up the fact that you were trying to install a patch(fsck_msdos) that had already been merged.
I even put a cute little smiley face at the end to indicate a friendly tone to my post.

You should try tracking some of my others posts here and elsewhere. I'm generally a nice guy and only loose my patience when folks repeatedly ignore the advice given. And you were kind of starting to do that.

It seems we are all on the same page now, so let's press forward.

(Note the little smiley face again)
I was not ignoring the advice you give. I had got somewhat different advice on sullin's thread so was trying to understand the right thing to do.

It was not just what you posted in #38 but I was reading your previous posts as well. If you really want to help people which I guess you do that is why you are on these forums answering people's queries, you need to be more patient.

Coming back to the solution, Thanks once again. I will increase my internal storage. Can I just make the entire size as my internal storage? I.e. make my sd card partition 0?
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