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Old March 21st, 2011, 03:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default I've finally smashed my phone out of frustration

I can't afford another Android phone now.
I didn't really have one anyway; just an expensive crashing reboot-loop brick, which got steadily worse over the months until the internet and everything else was unusable.
It would even go into infinite loops sometimes if I simply sent a message.
A 10 mobile phone can send an SMS without needing to take the battery out for two hours in an attempt to get it working again.
An update killed my Wi-Fi and broke other things too.
The phone especially never got over that.
It only half updated.
Because the radio and the rest of the OS were mismatched no subsequent updates would ever install, despite messing with boot options and stuff.
Anyway, no more HTC.
I'm telling everyone to steer clear because they let these faulty phones get to market and people like me (without warranty) got well and truly screwed over.
I'm not throwing away several hundred pounds like this again.

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without warranty?

care to explain?
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I second evil there..

that MUST be a reason YOUR phone doesnt work...because theres 100's of other people on THIS board alone whos Desires do work...then over at Iamandroid, XDA and anyone NOT on the forum sites...

did you ever actually take it to a repair centre or even your network you bought it from?
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I'm so baffled by these people who seem to have endless problems with their Desires.

I've had mine for almost a year now, and other than the SLIGHT battery comsumption issue, which isn't really an issue, as I charge it every night. I've dropped it a few times, and even had my 3 year old lauch it across the room to land on a wooden floor, and I've NEVER had any real issues with it.

I've had countless mobiles, and as far as I can see, the build quality, software, and hardware, are almost faultless for a phone that's now a year old.

Just for once I'd love to see someone start a thread saying how happy they are with their Desire's, instead of all this moaning, and bitching.......

Like deanshep85 pointed out, all these hundreds of people who are happy with their phones can't ALL be wrong.

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Just for once I'd love to see someone start a thread saying how happy they are with their Desire's, instead of all this moaning, and bitching.......
im on it

haha kidding....cos then I'd be blamed for wasting space or something lol
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Faulty models can happen to any manufacturer, even on a larger scale (Apple with iphone4, Nokia with N8, etc). I have not had the issues you mention with my phone.

If you had issues with the phone, you do 2 simple things:
1) Ask for help in a forum like this
2) Take it to HTC service center
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Faulty models can happen to any manufacturer, even on a larger scale (Apple with iphone4, Nokia with N8, etc). I have not had the issues you mention with my phone.
*cough* every nokia since n95 *cough*
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I dont mess about with things unless I am 100% sure I know what I am doing. Any over the air updates, I can live with. Rooting is a bit out of my comfort zone at the minute. Besides, My phone is still in warrenty, so no messing until it runs out.
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i tihnk the desire is good phone when it works, so far mine has had the constant restart problem (fixed by htc but now starting again and warrenty is almost up AGH!)

my partners desire has been sent to htc twice and has come back with the same problem twice, it keeps pushing to right no matter what we do, dono ifs the trackpad or what.
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i tihnk the desire is good phone when it works, so far mine has had the constant restart problem (fixed by htc but now starting again and warrenty is almost up AGH!)

my partners desire has been sent to htc twice and has come back with the same problem twice, it keeps pushing to right no matter what we do, dono ifs the trackpad or what.
have you spoken to the network you got them from? as im guessing your on contract? have you just tried for another replacement? I mean...even if the warrenty is ALMOST up its still worth going to them..

normally networks put a years warrenty on top...and then manufacturers put a 2 years on that..
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yeah there unwilling to reaplce it and still fitting for some good ending lol.

i think the phone is good mind you. just needs a bit more internal memory to be on safe side with
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yeah there unwilling to reaplce it and still fitting for some good ending lol.

i think the phone is good mind you. just needs a bit more internal memory to be on safe side with
well then unfortunately thats a network being awkward like bastards issue...

I had that a while back with an LG viewty..
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Okay...
No warranty = ebay
Bought outright, last year.
Scumbag screwed me over anyway. It was sold as unbranded/unlocked. The guy then called me saying the screen/case had gotten slightly damaged and would I like a discount. Naturally, I said no, I wanted an undamaged one. He then tried to palm me off with cheaper models. I told him that I wanted what I'd been sold - because I knew the specs. He told me I would have to wait for a replacement. When it finally arrived after several weeks, it was T-Mobile branded! I was pissed off but decided I would put up with it and deal with it later as I had already waited so long.
Later became sooner when I found out that T-Mobile (and other brands) screw with Android before passing updates on (much like if you bought a "home user" targetted laptop - loaded with all that ineffective crap and bloat they mess them up with), and I ended up stuck on Eclair with no App2SD and hardly being able to install any apps to what portion of the 512MB storage was left after the OS had grabbed most of it for other things.
I had to wipe and root my phone.
That wasn't a problem (except for the original "carrier ID" errors) and I managed to finally get an automatic Froyo update.
That was fine although I always had a few crashes with my phone since the beginning.
Then along came a minor update which screwed my phone. Wi-Fi went down and other things seemed broken and buggy after that.
I have been able to do no updates since, despite trying different switches and suggestions.

For those that say I am whining, I am not. The fact is that the phone would randomly crash and infinitely reboot. It steadily got worse over the time I had it. THAT IS NOT USER ERROR. THUS MY COMPLAINT DOES NOT EQUATE TO WHINING. When you have to walk around with the battery out for hours on end or keep your phone on silent because if it starts rebooting on public transport you would keep hearing the HTC chime every 30 or so seconds until you finally took the phone out of your pocket to dismantle it.

For those that say all companies have issues; sure, but that is why some of us will never buy a piece of junk HP/Compaq or Acer laptop - to limit the chances of getting burned.

For those that report that they have had no issues; I'm not surprised. I don't expect you to have had them. This was obviously from a junk batch which shouldn't have passed QC.

I liked my phone a lot - even though it had a junk speaker, no front-facing camera, no zoom (I don't know if any phones have such yet), no decent macro and no decent flash. It was still a nice computer.
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I had to wipe and root my phone.
That wasn't a problem (except for the original "carrier ID" errors) and I managed to finally get an automatic Froyo update.

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For those that say I am whining, I am not. The fact is that the phone would randomly crash and infinitely reboot. It steadily got worse over the time I had it. THAT IS NOT USER ERROR.
I'm sorry to pull you up on this, but ROOT+OTA=Massive user error (one of the biggest errors a rooted user can make).

This is most likely the sole cause of all your anguish.

Running an RUU to return it to an unbranded stock would most likely have resolved all your issues.

Did you really, actually smash it to pieces before reading and ranting on a forum?
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ps. I survive on f'all money left from my paltry wages per week. Who would like to contribute to my Optimus 3D fund? LOL
I'm really pissed about losing my camera. My Desire was the closest thing I've ever owned, to something I could take reasonably "okay" photos with.
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ps. I survive on f'all money left from my paltry wages per week. Who would like to contribute to my Optimus 3D fund? LOL
I'm really pissed about losing my camera. My Desire was the closest thing I've ever owned, to something I could take reasonably "okay" photos with.
My contract ends next wednesday and a special business case has been put in to the director of IT just to keep me for 3 months. Chances are my 0 a week will be less than your wages. My money goes on bread and wine
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Okay...
No warranty = ebay
Bought outright, last year.
Scumbag screwed me over anyway. It was sold as unbranded/unlocked. The guy then called me saying the screen/case had gotten slightly damaged and would I like a discount. Naturally, I said no, I wanted an undamaged one. He then tried to palm me off with cheaper models. I told him that I wanted what I'd been sold - because I knew the specs. He told me I would have to wait for a replacement. When it finally arrived after several weeks, it was T-Mobile branded! I was pissed off but decided I would put up with it and deal with it later as I had already waited so long.
Later became sooner when I found out that T-Mobile (and other brands) screw with Android before passing updates on (much like if you bought a "home user" targetted laptop - loaded with all that ineffective crap and bloat they mess them up with), and I ended up stuck on Eclair with no App2SD and hardly being able to install any apps to what portion of the 512MB storage was left after the OS had grabbed most of it for other things.
I had to wipe and root my phone.
That wasn't a problem (except for the original "carrier ID" errors) and I managed to finally get an automatic Froyo update.
That was fine although I always had a few crashes with my phone since the beginning.
Then along came a minor update which screwed my phone. Wi-Fi went down and other things seemed broken and buggy after that.
I have been able to do no updates since, despite trying different switches and suggestions.

For those that say I am whining, I am not. The fact is that the phone would randomly crash and infinitely reboot. It steadily got worse over the time I had it. THAT IS NOT USER ERROR. THUS MY COMPLAINT DOES NOT EQUATE TO WHINING. When you have to walk around with the battery out for hours on end or keep your phone on silent because if it starts rebooting on public transport you would keep hearing the HTC chime every 30 or so seconds until you finally took the phone out of your pocket to dismantle it.

For those that say all companies have issues; sure, but that is why some of us will never buy a piece of junk HP/Compaq or Acer laptop - to limit the chances of getting burned.

For those that report that they have had no issues; I'm not surprised. I don't expect you to have had them. This was obviously from a junk batch which shouldn't have passed QC.

I liked my phone a lot - even though it had a junk speaker, no front-facing camera, no zoom (I don't know if any phones have such yet), no decent macro and no decent flash. It was still a nice computer.
first and actually only point...

you bought it from EBAY...theres your problem..

but you do acknowledge that it was most likely from a junk batch....which means REALLY your first post was a little bit over the top and misleading as the last part you and I quote..

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Anyway, no more HTC.
I'm telling everyone to steer clear because they let these faulty phones get to market and people like me (without warranty) got well and truly screwed over.
so really what you should of originally said was..

"Everyone be very careful buying phones or any electronic products on Ebay or similar sites from UNTRUSTED sources as you maybe burnt with either defective goods or chinese clones.."

see...doesnt that seem clearer...anyway..

Im sorry you had bad...VERY bad luck with buying from Ebay, I was burned myself last year with a 16gb memory card, turned out to be a fake 3GB faulty card..

its the unfortunate problem with buying like that..though to be fair if you had problems with the seller from the start you should of reported it straight to ebay and opened an investigation against him, you would of likely been given refund..
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I BOUGHT AN UNBRANDED PHONE AND I GOT A T-MOBILE ONE. I didn't want to screw with it and a lot of the instructions for rooting left out minor details which you could trip up on. I still don't know the meaing of RUU vs OTA. I searched and I couldn't find out.
Still, thanks to Mr Ebay Scumbag and T-Mobile I had no choice other than to mess with it.
The phone always crashed. It just got worse with time.
I have rooted the frigging thing twice.
You have to understand, I was sick of wiping my phone to root it or otherwise, just to find it never improved my situation, which steadily got worse until unbearable.
The phone isn't in pieces. The screen is f'cked. It's not physically broken on the outside but it's below the glass. I don't know whether it's the screen or the touch thingy or both. The screen is scrambled though. I think the inputs are working but I can't see to make them.
I'm just reluctant to fix the screen on a broken phone.
You have to understand, I've lost a lot of photos due to crashes and corruption. I'm a rational man but for 9 months this has been winding me up more and more until I lost it. The phone has had the battery out more often than in. It really wasn't a usable phone anymore.
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I knew you'd bring up ebay.
Chinese clones doesn't come into it.
Look, I buy most of my stuff off ebay as it's the only place I can find what I need.
This is the first time I've had a problem and it would be to easy to jump on the wholesale "don't use ebay or it's your fault" bandwagon.
The problem with this particular incident is that the issue happened over time, which made it difficult to determine and too late to take action by the time it was critical.
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Aye, Dean. I was getting the heebies when he started feeding b/s after b/s line.
I was also at a very bad place in life and I only ignored my feelings because I "needed" the phone/device really badly. I'm not going to tire you but I was f'cked and nearing the end last year.
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But you are making fundamental error after fundamental error. You dont simply keep rooting and updating the same phone. Once rooted, its rooted. It wont simply lose root. Then accepting OTA's after that is asking for trouble. No matter what you do after that, unless you run an official RUU (Rom Upgrade utility that runs from PC), its never going to work properly again.

I'm sorry to say this but jumping into these things without researching and understanding what you are doing is a recipe for disaster.

We could have talked you through all of these problems and got you on a working phone within a very short period of time.

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I knew you'd bring up ebay.
Chinese clones doesn't come into it.
Look, I buy most of my stuff off ebay as it's the only place I can find what I need.
This is the first time I've had a problem and it would be to easy to jump on the wholesale "don't use ebay or it's your fault" bandwagon.
The problem with this particular incident is that the issue happened over time, which made it difficult to determine and too late to take action by the time it was critical.
the clones I mentioned was just to highlight the fact that not everything is gonna be perfect on there...

but to be fair...just like dan said it seems MOST human error, as you rooted it then tried to down an update over the air..

whats the VERY VERY VERY first damn thing you do before rooting it *waits for the rest of the android forum to chime in* thats READ up on rooting...

it states time and time again through ANY FAQ for rooting that if you dont know what your doing 100% DONT DO IT...simple as...it also mentions do not accept or download in OTA updates through the phone itself as this will tend to brick the phone..

so to be fair...we shall sum this up.....bought from dodgy ebay seller, rooted then OTA updated phone...

sorry to sound dickish there...but yes you may of had a faulty batch phone in the first place...but you didnt really help it at all..

and as to your warrenty bit mentioned earlier....HTC nor Tmobile will do nothing for a mobile with NO warrenty...its only Tmobiles job to do anything if you BOUGHT it from them...just cos its tmob branded doesnt mean anything most times...

if you took it to a HTC repair centre there is a chance that via serial number tracking it MAY still have a small parts and labour warrenty at factory level...but maybe not...you would of been charged obviously..


EDIT: Damn you dan...beat me to it

EDIT2: BUT on a more brighter note...yes there is actually a few 'camera' phones out there with proper lens on them...LG brought one out around 2 years ago...was quite a chunky beast with proper optical zoom...and in japan there is quite a number of models with full on optical zoom...

I know a phone over there has android 2.1 I believe as well as 4 inch screen and 14megapixal camera WITH full on optical zoom....looks a damn beast...BUT not 100% if its EVER going to be released over this side of the globe...because the japanese networks are much different to ours I believe and we HARDLY get the japanese phones...hell those bastards are running on 3D screens with a few of them!...not that I care for 3D its a fad...end of story lol
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@ SURoot. My pittance does also. Good luck with it. I've just picked up a minimum wage job after almost ending up on the streets and having my roommate [and sanity by proxy] almost have to move back to Spain.
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I just clicked! OTA means "Over The Air"?! Why have I never found this definition by searching.
In that case, "No", I used only computer updates until the minor update which screwed the phone majorly.
Also, when somebody pointed me to yet another rooting procedure recently I didn't act upon it because... Hey!.. despite their treating me like an idiot, I was thinking "I'm sure this thing is still rooted. I don't think that's the issue I'm having". But it's hard to get that across to people. I DO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS. Sometimes though, instruction have ambiguities. I know that because I used to give instructions to help folks with graphics chip troubleshooting and I knew these guys may possibly not know f'all, so I had to cover all possible places where they may slip up.
ps. I am not expressing any anger towards any of you guys. I may come across a little frustrated at times. After all, I couldn't afford to lose this phone but I'd technically been losing it slowly since I got it.
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I didn't try to download an update over the air. The system simply offered it. How was I to know that my phone was going to have issue with this?
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I didn't try to download an update over the air. The system simply offered it. How was I to know that my phone was going to have issue with this?
because like we've said...you should of READ up FIRST on rooting an ALL outcomes before touching it...hell dont even have your phone in your hand or anywhere NEAR YOU...lol
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In regards to some rooting guide being ambiguous, I have to agree with you there, which is why I write my own FAQ's. They often assume a certain level of knowledge that will not always be present.

The memory issue is a big problem too so rooting is the only way to go to fully resolve that issue. I think some of your issues can also be chalked down to bad luck.

I couldnt recommend buying a new screen though, because at the end of the day, the unit could still be faulty. All you could do is send it to HTC who may charge you a pretty penny, but then they may put it back to stock too and its a clean slate.

But its a gamble and Im not sure if its worth you taking it.
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Btw guys. I've never managed to find and physical HTC shops/centres or otherwise in the UK. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
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Btw guys. I've never managed to find and physical HTC shops/centres or otherwise in the UK. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
Its usually a "send off" job to go to HTC> Not sure who are accredited service centres.
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Just think what a dreary old world this would be if people didn't have different desires. LOL
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Its usually a "send off" job to go to HTC> Not sure who are accredited service centres.
Submit HTC device for repair

best I can find on quick googling
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Should have taken out phone insurance against accidental damage before smashing it, I mean accidently dropping it :-)

Sorry for your frustration though even if it was your own fault. Misleading info though is not helpful as it could lead to others not purchasing believing htc desires to be faulty and rubbish. This is not the case.

Well hope you have better luck with whatever phone you end up with. Hope you learn the lesson of research first before airing your frustrations in such a negative way.
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*facepalms*

This is the exact customer behaviour that made me never ever EVER want to work on help desks. Too many people complain about stuff not properly working after THEY screwed with it. I got offered several IT help desk support jobs when I was unemployed and would rather starve than go through the confidence-shattering experience that is help desk support at the hands of ignorant people who think jamming a fork into their hard drive because it "ticks" entitles them to a free hard drive ... not to mention people who drop their phones into boiling water and claim it should be water-proof. (both real examples that a friend encountered while working for such a help desk - two of many that are far worse).

Really:

- don't screw with your phone unless you accept the risk
- if you buy on eBay, you accept that the lower price you pay, comes at a risk
- be sure to buy from a source that is reliable and has a proven track record
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It's still not inherently my fault.
The phone always crashed. It only got steadily worse with time. See all the other "millions" of posts about the same issue.
I was forced to root, in order to remove T-Mobile - to enable my Froyo update - so I could install apps. Nowhere did I read that I mustn't allow updates after this. Remember, this was back during Summer last year. Perhaps there is more info in rooting instructions now but I always read everything presented to me - as I am paranoid about breaking things I can ill afford to. It took a lot of frustration - and not being able to use the phone anyway - for me to lose my rag.
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A multitude of these Desires are broken out of the box. It's still the case - and shouldn't be.
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A multitude of these Desires are broken out of the box. It's still the case - and shouldn't be.
They're tiny computers that are more powerful than my old WinXP PC - what do you expect? My points still stand - buying off ebay is accepting the risks. I bought an eBook reader on eBay because they didn't sell any in Europe yet and I was lucky, but it was a calculated risk. Accept it and move on - don't put the blame where it doesn't belong.
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I got offered several IT help desk support jobs when I was unemployed and would rather starve than go through the confidence-shattering experience that is help desk support at the hands of ignorant people who think jamming a fork into their hard drive because it "ticks" entitles them to a free hard drive ... not to mention people who drop their phones into boiling water and claim it should be water-proof. (both real examples that a friend encountered while working for such a help desk - two of many that are far worse).
ure to buy from a source that is reliable and has a proven track record
I worked on service desks when I first started in IT and I used to love it. Not service desks that service the piblic mind, but internal ones.

Granted, some people can be hard work but if you remain calm its all good.

The wrost ones are the ones who ring up and already "know" the solution, or demand to be put through to 2nd line because they dont believe you have the skill to solve it yourself.

Unfortunately Ive ended up on 1 again, due to the recession and feel its beneath me now. I'm supposed to be training the other guys to my level but they're so under resourced, i'm spending most of the time on the phone to muppets, missing important calls about jobs Ive applied for.
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It's still not inherently my fault.
The phone always crashed. It only got steadily worse with time. See all the other "millions" of posts about the same issue.
I was forced to root, in order to remove T-Mobile - to enable my Froyo update - so I could install apps. Nowhere did I read that I mustn't allow updates after this. Remember, this was back during Summer last year. Perhaps there is more info in rooting instructions now but I always read everything presented to me - as I am paranoid about breaking things I can ill afford to. It took a lot of frustration - and not being able to use the phone anyway - for me to lose my rag.
http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/163477-htc-desire-root-guide-updated-7-39am-pdt-19-march-2011-a.html

I rooted and flashed Gigervillain, apps2sd, and all the trimmings after reading the above and asking folks in here.... Im pretty sure there are multiple warnings not to update OTA... I was sure to switch it off before rooting anyway.

Hope it doesnt put you off, buy a cheap phone for just now (its only a phone after all) and buy another all singing all dancing when you can afford it.

Chill out

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It's still not inherently my fault.
The phone always crashed. It only got steadily worse with time. See all the other "millions" of posts about the same issue.
I was forced to root, in order to remove T-Mobile - to enable my Froyo update - so I could install apps. Nowhere did I read that I mustn't allow updates after this. Remember, this was back during Summer last year. Perhaps there is more info in rooting instructions now but I always read everything presented to me - as I am paranoid about breaking things I can ill afford to. It took a lot of frustration - and not being able to use the phone anyway - for me to lose my rag.
You don't have to root to debrand a phone. My Desire came from Orange and I debranded mine to install Froyo before they released it but I've not rooted it - simple reason is I've no need to root it.

Ultimately if you buy anything from Ebay you don't really get any insurance on the item. Sorry you can't afford the item otherwise, but unfortunately if you buy from Ebay there's no insurance, no returns policy to the manufacturer, and so on.

There was also absolutely no reason to smash the phone. Petulance gets you nowhere I'm afraid.
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wait
so your phone is broken now?
If the phone is still fine you should be able to fix it by wiping data in recovery and then flashing a custom rom.
I'm not sure it'll work, but these types of things happened to me why i just rooted, and the method worked for me.
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wait
so your phone is broken now?
If the phone is still fine you should be able to fix it by wiping data in recovery and then flashing a custom rom.
I'm not sure it'll work, but these types of things happened to me why i just rooted, and the method worked for me.
Read the thread; it isn't really that long!
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I think we should thank OP for this good topic - it is an example of of things you should never do, if you don't want to end up "smashing" your phone...
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It seems to me that the OP wants to blame everyone but himself.

What seems odd is that he seems perfectly happy to forgive an eBay seller who contacted him to say the phone was damaged, then when he sourced another one he took "several weeks" just to post it out - I'd have been already got my money back well before waiting "several weeks" - and then when it arrived it was T-Mobile branded. If I'd have got this far, I'd definitely have got a refund at this point.

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OTA means "Over The Air"?! Why have I never found this definition by searching.
I typed "OTA definition" into Google and the 5th result down is an exact definition from a site called Phone Scoop, while the 6th is another exact definition from a site called Phone Arena. You don't seem to put a lot of effort into finding things out before jumping head first and breaking your own phone.

You're like a guy that buys a car when you have no driving license, then when you crash because you can't drive, you say that its the fault of the car manufacturer and how where you supposed to know what "brakes" are cos you couldn't find a definition even though there's one on the first page of Google.

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A multitude of these Desires are broken out of the box. It's still the case - and shouldn't be.
Yours wasn't though. It worked fine until you broke it. Just out of interest, what percentage of Desires are broken out of the box?
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It seems to me that the OP wants to blame everyone but himself.
It so much easier to do that!

As for the rest of us, let this thread die.
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So many fails, I don't know where to begin
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You really need to stop with the "It isn't my fault" line. Please, accept reality. Accept the fact that you made mistakes and (at minimum) contributed to the problem. Going back to your earlier post:

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No warranty = ebay
Bought outright, last year.
Scumbag screwed me over anyway. It was sold as unbranded/unlocked. ...
When it finally arrived after several weeks, it was T-Mobile branded!
This is your first mistake. The seller's actions should have cause enormous flashing neon red flags. You could have taken advantage of Ebay's policies that protect the buyer and returned the item immediately. None of the below would have happened if you weren't so anxious to get the phone that you decided to accept an unDESIREable version.
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Later became sooner when I found out that T-Mobile (and other brands) screw with Android before passing updates on (much like if you bought a "home user" targetted laptop - loaded with all that ineffective crap and bloat they mess them up with), and I ended up stuck on Eclair with no App2SD and hardly being able to install any apps to what portion of the 512MB storage was left after the OS had grabbed most of it for other things.
I had to wipe and root my phone.
You decided to keep the phone, instead of returning it. You accepted those limitations by keeping the phone. There are many MANY people on this board with the Desire that have the same complaints you raised here.

Your second mistake was thinking that these complaints are something that is a "defect" on the phone. It may not be what you wanted, but it is exactly how T-Mobile/HTC designed the phone to be. You could have continued using the phone, without problem, and just found a way to cope with the limitations. (The limitations you accepted, by the way, by not returning the phone in the first place.)
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I was forced to root, in order to remove T-Mobile - to enable my Froyo update - so I could install apps.
You weren't forced. You made a choice.

You decided to permanently modify your phone which did not have a warranty on it. You proceeded at your own risk, without doing the proper research, and then you made a mistake and you did it wrong.

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I didn't try to download an update over the air. The system simply offered it. How was I to know that my phone was going to have issue with this?
By doing the research first, before proceeding with a procedure that has risk and is not easily reversible.


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Nowhere did I read that I mustn't allow updates after this. Remember, this was back during Summer last year. Perhaps there is more info in rooting instructions now
Here is a thread from June of last year: [TUT]Complete upgrading guide(root, unroot, flashing ROM & updates) - xda-developers

The first post says the following:
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Will my phone get the OTA froyo update from HTC here in the US or do I have to do it manually?

- No OTA updates when rooted, to get them you will have to go back to stock to get the update(yepp unroot, or wait for devs to release rooted stock version)
Another post on another site in June of last year:
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Lets say this OTA does Block the Exploit Whats the worse that will happen...

It would depend how far "in depth" the over the air update goes. If it goes into the core files of the Linux base there is a chance it might brick the phone if it is rooted when you update.
That's after just a quick search. It's not that the information wasn't out there, it's just that you didn't check for water before you jumped into the pool.

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You read everything that was "presented" to you? Not everything will be given to you in life, nor should it be.

Your failure to accept some level of personal responsibility, and your expectation that things should be handed to you (all of which is evident by the language you use in your posts) is astounding!

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It's still not inherently my fault.
Really?

If it isn't your fault, please tell me who should be blamed? This forum, because we didn't knock on your door and pull the phone out of your hands before you could do something bad with it? T-Mobile, whose phone you bought on E-bay without any intention of buying it "properly" through an authorized dealer, and whose service you didn't even want to use? HTC, whose phone you decided you could modify yourself to make it better than it was originally designed by following some directions you found on the internet?
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This strikes me very much as being a case where no matter what we or anybody else says, there is no convincing you that this is your fault. You are one of those people who have everything happen to them, but it's always someone else that's to blame.

It's eBay, it's the scumbag who sold it you, it's T-Mobile or stupid HTC. It's the laws of physics, probability and coincidence conspiring against you. It's the people who wrote the rooting guide and the information which you were "presented" with, and of course their fault for not presenting you with more information to read. You also say you scrape by on a minimum wage job. Well, that's probably someone else's fault too, like the UK government for not having enough jobs available to you.

If you've got barely any money and all you can moan about is a smartphone which you bought illegitimately then obviously your priorities aren't quite focused where they should be. Who knows, perhaps if you took more responsibility you might get a better job. Nobody wants to employ someone who's irresponsible and then points the finger at someone else. Maybe someone should have told you that sooner as well?

Perhaps learn from this. Get a new smartphone, buy it properly from an outlet where you can inspect it first. Don't root it, don't mod it, use it stock. Have phone insurance and make sure you understand it's terms including what's covered and what isn't. Then you'll probably be fine.
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I'm sure he gets the point now.
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nah...I think we need a few more posts dan...just rehashing what me an you already said lol

but instead...heres a cat..

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