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Old May 26th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys!

So, the time has come when I will move on from my beloved Desire.
And I am sorry to say (and I expect the usual bashing and sarcastic comments) but I will most likely be upgrading to an iPhone 4.
I am posting here for 2 main reasons:

1. To discuss my reasons for moving on
2. To describe how much I have loved my Desire and this forum

1. On June 1st I am eligible for an upgrade and can get quite a good trade in price from CPW. I like to upgrade when I can and had a look around the market but the newest HTC phones don't really do anything for me if I'm honest - the upgrade would not be massive.
Since I have ventured into the smart phone world, I have had two Android phones and loved them. But iOS, although it does have its bad points, it is a very good OS and I feel I should give it a go. As well as the nice UI (I know to everyones tastes) and the awesome hardware of the iPhone 4, there is one massive reason I am choosing the iPhone 4 and that is the range of apps. Particularly medical apps. I am a medical student and while in the wards I end up dragging around endless text books, pharmaceutical books etc as quick reference. Likewise, when on the train/bus/in lectures I usually haul round a load of books to look up medicine. However, many of these books are available as iOS apps. This is obviously not needed for everyone so but it is a massive selling point. And there is nowhere near this sort of selection in the Android Market. And through the magic of Jailbreaking (just like I rooted my Desire) I can get...
But as I said, the iPhone 4 is also an incredible piece of hardware - camera, screen, build quality. Reception issues will be no biggy really as I always have had cases for smart phones as I'm a clumsy oaf so I will have a case on my iPhone.

2. My Desire has been a wonderful phone. Starting off, battery life was a bit disappointing but a few tweaks and it got much better. Then I rooted and through kernels and custom ROMs I got insane battery life. As well as insane performance and lots of fun. The camera is pretty damn good. Agree or disagree, the iPhone 4 is slightly better but the Desire camera really is quite awesome, especially if you remove the small cover.
Then I come onto Sense. Its like Marmite, some love it, some hate it. But for me I liked the way it bought lots of things together. I have experimented with custom ROMS, currently on MIUI but I will always love Sense.

But then one thing I really need to do is talk about this forum. What a fantastic place it is. Everyone on here is stupidly helpful. SURoot, Eddy OS, Rastaman to name but a few have helped me several times to really unlock what my Desire could really do through the process of rooting.
So to them, and everyone else who has helped me, thank you very much.
I will continue to browse these forums and try to help people as I now know a fair bit about rooting. And I like to keep track of what people are capable of unlocking on the Desire.

I know this post is going to attract the usual iOS comments and stuff but I just wanted to say thank you and discuss my reasons for upgrading and moving on from HTC/Android.

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Old May 26th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Fair points there, The iPhone 4 is still an incredible phone. I do love my Android though. It seems like the iPhone 4 is right for you so all I can say is, enjoy your new iPhone
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All fair comments, apart for the bit about stealing apps...
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Normally I'd say that if it's June you should wait a few weeks, as iPhone models are usually announced at Apple's June conference. But although rumours are not always reliable with Apple, there seem to be a lot of people saying that the next model will be later this year.

Anyway, I'm not going to bash either - I understand the appeal of the iPhone 4, and came close to buying one myself. So good luck with the med degree, and I'm sure your phone will serve you well.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 04:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Lol I got a warning from a moderator for talking about getting apps for free
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Lol I got a warning from a moderator for talking about getting apps for free
Think maybe that was meant to go to me??? You havent mentioned them! I have removed the offensive sentence though. Forgot that was one of the rules, and rules are rules!
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I can understand your reasons I suppose.

But I'm not sure the Desire is a fair representation of Android in general. The Android platform has evolved massively in terms of both software and hardware since the Desire came out. Now sure, the Desire can achieve a lot of this by rooting etc, but I see your point.

But I think its a shame to abandon everything thats good about Android. The new devices, like the Sensation and the SGS2 are really in a different league. And solve more or less all the problems you state above. I love the openness. I just couldn't cope going back to iOS after this. But I know others are different. Give it another year, and I reckon iOS will be a lot less significant IMO.

PS. Why are you upgrading now. Firstly, the iPhone 5 will no doubt be out soon. Secondly, that means the 4 will likely drop in price?

Anyway, goodbye (I bet you will return one day )
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I expect the usual bashing and sarcastic comments
I'd be very surprised (and disappointed) if that happens in this forum.

Enjoy whatever device you move onto, and remember that there's no mandatory Android ownership requirement to post here on AF. No need to "move on" in that sense.
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I just mean into our various chosen devices' sub forums...
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Which is why I keep asking you all what you are thinking of buying next
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The principle of "Go with the flow": we should try make a group move to the next best phone.
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Don't know. It hasn't been announced yet.
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Don't know. It hasn't been announced yet.
As in none of the existing devices? What's wrong with them....
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I'm not due an upgrade until May of next year at the earliest, so I have no idea what will be available by then.

However, based on phones currently available, if I was able to upgrade right now, I'd be very tempted to go with the Samsung Galaxy SII.
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They'll be a year old
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So your sticking with the Desire for a year?

If I buy a 400 phone, you can bet I'll be keeping it for a while. That's more than I spent on my laptop :P

The only reason I'm even considering upgrading is because I got my Desire new for 270 which was a bargain from O2. I don't have even that kind of money lying around now though.
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Yep. As mentioned in other threads, the recession has hit my industry hard. Many of us are working below our skill level on massively reduced incomes. I am unfortunately such a case, earning 54% of what I earned 2 years ago.

Unfortunately, buying a handset outright is not an option.

Although its battered and bruised, I do not feel I am missing out on anything. The handset does what I want and need so for now at least I am happy.
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Im glad Ive taken good care of my Desire. Its still in pristine condition no marks or blemishes whatsoever! But I cant see meself selling it cos Ive grown attached to it. I swear Ive never played soooo much with one gadget in my entire life lol Its been fun fiddling around with it over the past year or so and I suspect I could easily hang onto it for another year or more.
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Yep. As mentioned in other threads, the recession has hit my industry hard. Many of us are working below our skill level on massively reduced incomes. I am unfortunately such a case, earning 54% of what I earned 2 years ago.

Unfortunately, buying a handset outright is not an option.

Although its battered and bruised, I do not feel I am missing out on anything. The handset does what I want and need so for now at least I am happy.
That's drastic, 54%? Keep your head up mate!
As discussed in the other thread, I don't see any reasons hardware-wise to move, unless one is a hardcore gamer. And even then I'd say take a good book instead No need to spend that much money and put a perfectly proper phone to rest that quick.
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That's a drastic, 54%? Keep your head up mate!
As discussed in the other thread, I don't see any reasons hardware-wise to move, unless one is a hardcore gamer. And even then I'd say take a good book instead No need to spend that much money and put a perfectly proper phone to rest that quick.
I agree.
But I still love having the latest thing.

This post has prompted me to go buy a lottery ticket!




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Tell me about it. I had to stop collecting swiss watches. Also instead of buying suits from Harvey nichols, I buy work trousers from Asda!

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Tell me about it. I had to stop collecting swiss watches. Also instead of buying suits from Harvey nichols, I buy work trousers from Asda!

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Nothing wrong with buying clothes from Asda!
I could afford to buy more expensive clothes but meh... got a expensive PC and car habit to maintain
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I can upgrade mine next month, if I want to (12 moth contract).
I'll see how it goes, but as I stand now, I don't think I'll do that. Why? Because Desire does all I need and is running on the latest Android OS.

Here is a thought - end of this year Google is presenting Ice Cream Sandwitch.
Most likely, Desire will get it via custom ROMs, and I think pretty quickly after the OS release. So, if it still runs the latest OS fine, then I might still keep it. If not, then I'm looking forward to see the Nexus 3 (to be released end of the year) which is rumored to be based on Tera 3 platform. Compared to SGS2, a Tegra 3 device has a quad-core CPU and 12-Core Nvidia GPU being about 5 times faster.

Bottom line, if I don't really need to upgrade, then I'd better wait 6 months more to get a more superior device.
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I can upgrade mine next month, if I want to (12 moth contract).
I'll see how it goes, but as I stand now, I don't think I'll do that. Why? Because Desire does all I need and is running on the latest Android OS.

Here is a thought - end of this year Google is presenting Ice Cream Sandwitch.
Most likely, Desire will get it via custom ROMs, and I think pretty quickly after the OS release. So, if it still runs the latest OS fine, then I might still keep it. If not, then I'm looking forward to see the Nexus 3 (to be released end of the year) which is rumored to be based on Tera 3 platform. Compared to SGS2, a Tegra 3 device has a quad-core CPU and 12-Core Nvidia GPU being about 5 times faster.

Bottom line, if I don't really need to upgrade, then I'd better wait 6 months more to get a more superior device.

Yeah should be well quick. Just need to get the drivers working. As soon as the source code is available a quick sync will get you the latest version.

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Yep. As mentioned in other threads, the recession has hit my industry hard. Many of us are working below our skill level on massively reduced incomes. I am unfortunately such a case, earning 54% of what I earned 2 years ago.

Unfortunately, buying a handset outright is not an option.

Although its battered and bruised, I do not feel I am missing out on anything. The handset does what I want and need so for now at least I am happy.
Christ, I thought my 35% pay cut was bad enough...

I treated myself to the Desire with some of my redundancy last year (160 + 10/m). My contract runs until next April, but I really don't see the need (or have the cash) for anything else when it expires. I love my Desire to little bits, and honestly don't think Dual-Core goodness or more RAM would be of much use.
I'll stick with what I've got and keep it for as long as there is an active Dev community and the experts stick around here to help me when I get something wrong attempting to flash KandyKane to it.
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actually getting an iphone4 isnt a bad choice and i wont bash you

to day desire is still one of the best androids to go for purely for sheer customisation and we can still chill with the best of the android bunch other than the dual cores.

Imo iphone4 is a good choice to upgrade to right now for one reason: its slow to depreciate. you could sell it for 300 if its good condition in 18months time and by a new android outright.

theres no other phone that has a depreciation as slow as iphones
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just don't drop it!
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Pretty unfair review by Engadget IMO. If we get unlocked boot loaders and a dev community, count me in. Samsung no thank you.

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Pretty unfair review by Engadget IMO. If we get unlocked boot loaders and a dev community, count me in. Samsung no thank you.

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review seems pretty fair to me
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I agree. I think SGS2 offers more than the Sensation.
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and the ui is pretty boring for htc's now. they need to reinvent the wheel as they know how to make the best phones and sense itself shows they can produce high quality work. its just boring now
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Some may even say that not only the Sense UI, but HTC phones design in general needs to be refreshed. Look how new SE managed to make Arc's design.
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review seems pretty fair to me
I don't think it does it justice.
I think it deserves 9/10.

Many people prefer Sense to TouchWiz. That is purely Vlad's (The reviewer, who is known to be a mega iphone fan) opinion on the UI. And TouchWiz is much more iOS like.

Plus, they mark it down for a locked bootloader. Now fine it has one at the time of review, but they need to be consistent. They gave the incredible S an 8 too, and didn't mark it down for that. The sensation is in a different league to the Incredible S, so that seems unfair to give it the same score. And they didn't even put a note or an update in the review stating HTC's recent announcement.

Frankly, I'm failing to see what more they want? The screen could be Super Amoled Plus yes, but that is again subjective to opinion. Likewise the UI.
On that basis, I don't think it merits a 2 point drop, or be less than the SGS2.
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subjective, i agree with them. the awesomeness is wasted on the same flavour of ui that has been around for 4 years with not much change.
it doesnt do the device justice at all.

its a good thing they mention the bootloader. theres nothing official saying its "actually unlocked" just a facebook page saying they are not going to distribute unlocked bootloaders.

they havent said if thats current devices backdated or new devices after the sensation only. the review cannot take this into account as due to the depth of it, it was written before that announcement and there is nothing the HTC headed paper stating the exacts on what is actually happening with it.

marking it down for this will probably make sure an update comes out that fixes it for that device and may make them think of pushing the newer ui's that weve seen on XDA down to it.

dont be a fanboi, the SGS2 is an awesome peace of kit tbh and even though i vowed never to do samsung again after being burned by the galaxy i7500 i am tempted and tbh i would be a fool to ignore it
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TouchFlo before sense wasn't too different from the earlier sense IMHO. Its gradual changes but put the first touchflo against sense 3.0 you will see a lot of difference.

Not that I am a sense fan or anything.
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I'm not being fanboy.

There is just something about samsung I don't like. It is an awesome phone I agree. I think what concerns me is the fact that although the sgs2 is unlocked, there is almost no development. If they unlock the bootloader, the sensation should be good for that. I like the htc design, and prefer the build quality IMO.

Remember I had the original choice of a galaxy s or a desire. I chose the desire and I don't regret it. This is much the same choice.

But again, I never disliked sense. It was part of the reason I bought desire. And I still like it. But that's what complicates things. I rooted to get memory. Then I tried custom rims. And now I find i prefer cm7 and aosp roms to sense. I don't like the look of touchwiz though, that much im sure. With an unlocked sensation and custom roms like cm7, the choice would be easy.

I don't see what the sgs2 offers that makes it so much better IMO. Camera same, battery same, performance same, build and design I prefer HTC.

Please don't call me a fanboy. I really take offence to that :P you've got me all wrong, I hope that's not how I come across? The desire is my first ever HTC fyi

I agree the sgs2 is great. But I do feel the samsung is a little iphone esque in parts. Nothing wrong with that, but I just prefer the more different style of htc and sense. That doesn't make me a fanboy.

PS. This is all hypothetical, i won't be buying for the while if at all.
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sorry ill take what i said back, i just dont understand how you can say a review is flawed because of things out of their controll.

ATM flag ship devices get noticed due to the dev potential and consumer interest.
HTC will always have amazing build quality however theres nothing that sets this device above the rest. infact if it wasnt for them telling you it was a dual core tom dick and harry wouldnt know the difference from another htc device running gingerbread if it hit them in the face as they are all almost clones of eachother and that is the problem

bootloader as of right now is still locked (and encrypted). they cannot deliberate on something that doesnt currently exist
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In what way is that an upgrade?
its a way he can make money and buy what ever he wants outright when something better comes along
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sorry ill take what i said back, i just dont understand how you can say a review is flawed because of things out of their controll.

ATM flag ship devices get noticed due to the dev potential and consumer interest.
HTC will always have amazing build quality however theres nothing that sets this device above the rest. infact if it wasnt for them telling you it was a dual core tom dick and harry wouldnt know the difference from another htc device running gingerbread if it hit them in the face as they are all almost clones of eachother and that is the problem

bootloader as of right now is still locked (and encrypted). they cannot deliberate on something that doesnt currently exist
Well I'll see.

If each were the same price, and each were unlocked and had a really good dev community, I'd still go for the HTC.

If the sensation doesn't get unlocked properly, and samsung gets a good batch of custom roms, I'd get the SGS2.

I'm not opposed to either brand. But I do prefer the build quality and design of the HTC. I always liked sense. So naturally, given they similar specification, I assumed the two would perform the same - swinging me towards the HTC. I am increasingly becoming aware this isn't the case?

Anyway, I am not buying now. Custom ROMS is an important matter to me, so that would probably swing it.
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I have an HTC Desire running RCMixHD and had my choice of that or Iphone4. I have always found Apple stuff so appealing the way they integrate their hardware and software for an excellent end user experience. At the same time I've never ever purchased Apple kit but have sold lots of it. I look around my house and its dominated by Linux spin-off's from the Desire, PS3, Tivo and recently wiped XP off a netbook and replaced it with Fedora 15. I can see why this med student prefers an Iphone4 but in no way is it an "upgrade" in the true sense of the word. A replacement of the HTC Desire would have to be Android OS and a quad core, to move to a Win or Apple phone that has more or less identical spec's is a switch at best. I have so much confidence in the upgrade path of Android I even ordered a NextG Xoom and await its delivery. As mentioned departing an OS with a core that's open for a proprietary OS is up to the individual, however I can not really agree with the word "upgrade". I personally know my next handset will be Android, I will reserve judgement until about next March and the only upgrades shortlisted will be LTE devices capable of 1800Mhz delivery. The Iphone5 will be out by then and I will admire its design and once again decline an Apple hardware due to its proprietary software.
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I will also never go to apple!!
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I will also never go to apple!!
I don't think he meant to apple. I think he meant some to the SGS2, others to the Sensation etc etc

I think pretty much all the real regulars here will be sticking with android
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I don't think he meant to apple. I think he meant some to the SGS2, others to the Sensation etc etc

I think pretty much all the real regulars here will be sticking with android
Ah right lol, I am definitely sticking with Android. I really do like HTC so I hope to have HTC in future but I will always get what's best at the time and whatever has the best dev community and selection of custom ROMs
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I don't think he meant to apple. I think he meant some to the SGS2, others to the Sensation etc etc

I think pretty much all the real regulars here will be sticking with android
I'm not particularly a regular here but I doubt I'll ever be able to move off Android because I love it so much xD

After having had my Desire so long I'm starting to wonder what the hell I'm gonna do when my contract finishes since looking at the new phones coming out there is barely any extra capability than Desire

Considering just going onto a 15 SIM only contract xD
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