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Old February 15th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Separated at birth - Nexus and Bravo/Desire

Not hard to see the resemblances...

look at the back... look at the lens and flash... almost identical... this basically a Nexus 1.5




one thing to note (and this could just be chalked up as photo retouching), but no noise canceling mic port on the Bravo...

I still personally like the 'clean' look of the Nexus better... But the Bravo still looks mighty nice!



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Wait the Bravo doesn't have dual mics?
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The Bravo is not as nicely finished in my opinion. And I don't like the hardware buttons.

I'm sure it will sell well though.
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I really like hardware buttons, they just feel so solid and you actually feel the press which is not the case on N1 (except haptic feedback ofc). However, the nexus one does look a bit more stylish with it's sleek design whereas the bravo is bit more bulky looking even though it's dimensions are quite the same I believe.

OS-wise when it comes to android the sense isn't *that* big of a deal as in wm phones where you need to hide that hideous ancient wm os. When you add frequent OTA updates and constant communication between the customers and google it isn't hard to see which phone has a slighty brighter future.

Bravo will without a doubt be a wonderful handset but in this case I think I'll still put my money on google branding.

edit: I also like the new app-roller-thingie on N1 very much so that's why the N1 as well.
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Optical trackpad: never used one, really like the idea. Seems less likely to break than something mechanical like the trackball on the Nexus.

It is indeed the very closely related family member of the Nexus. Some people will love the hardware buttons, others will prefer the buttonless Nexus. I suppose that the real test will be the price, anything official(ish) out there?

Anyway, the fact that there are no shiny bits on top of the Android OS on the Nexus would always make me chose the Nexus over its sibling. I like to have things first, including OS updates

edit: noise cancelling mic might be hidden on the opposite side to the nexus? Maybe. Can't imagine that HTC wouldn't put that technology in there.
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the optical trackpad is the only thing the Nexus One has to envy to the Bravo IMO. I almost never use the trackball, but anyway, I'd prefer something less likely to break or just something less bulky. The optical trackpad seems to do both
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I've been a fan of the trackball ever since my Sidekick days. Granted, the N1 trackball feels very 'unsure' compared to the trackball on a sidekick.
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It's flimsy, feels like HTC outsourced this part of the phone and had it put in by the 99c store. I would rather have the optical thing but I'd keep the trackball because it looks neat when it lights up for notifications.
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trackball on my N1 feels great!
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Really? Mine feels like its going to fall out when I turn the phone over.
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yeah... feels very precise
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I'm leaning toward the Bravo/Desire due to the optical trackpad and the non-touch buttons (reviewers always complained about those). I think I would rather have stock android than sense just for faster updates.

I am looking to ditch my iPhone for an Android device even though I don't know much about Android. How much different is the stock OS from sense?
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it's ironic, as it uses a optical trackpad, but yet uses physical buttons... whereas the Nexus has a mechanical trackball, but haptic touch buttons....

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edit: noise cancelling mic might be hidden on the opposite side to the nexus? Maybe. Can't imagine that HTC wouldn't put that technology in there.
quite possible... BUT... I just thought of something else.... It could be that it's a Google innovation and if they have a patent on it, they may have the power to prevent it from being used on any other HTC phones going to carriers and not officially released by Google like the Nexus One is.... just a thought
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it's ironic, as it uses a optical trackpad, but yet uses physical buttons... whereas the Nexus has a mechanical trackball, but haptic touch buttons....
LOL...good point!
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it's ironic, as it uses a optical trackpad, but yet uses physical buttons... whereas the Nexus has a mechanical trackball, but haptic touch buttons....
That just means HTC possibly has two more Android up their sleeves; one with an optical trackpad and haptic feedback touch buttons; the other with a trackball and physical buttons. All with roughly the same specs otherwise.
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Does that mean I'll have laser beams shot into my eyes while using the touchscreen?



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Wow I like the Bravo. It literally looks like another model Nexus One. Possibly an earlier model due to hardware buttons and that not so nice looking earphone hole setup.
I'd like to try it out to see which feels better while using the OS though, I've never used hardware buttons like that and the ones on the Nexus One are often miss-pressed or not pressed when needed due to them feeling slightly shifted.
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More official news...

HTC Desire, HD mini, Legend get official Boy Genius Report



And this interesting comment...

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Best thought of as the Nexus One with Sense UI (albeit with a single mic)
So my suspicion might be correct - that Google may have the rights to the noise cancelling second mic... and only "Google" branded phones can use it... Just a theory... But would make sense.
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So my suspicion might be correct - that Google may have the rights to the noise cancelling second mic... and only "Google" branded phones can use it... Just a theory... But would make sense.
The official line is it was removed to keep the costs down, so we may never know the truth... I hope it is cheaper than the N1 though
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for whatever reason, i'm glad we Nexus One owners have the exclusive on that feature!
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Why is a big deal made out of the LED screen on these phones, stating how amazing it is, but it's ripped apart on the nexus...i.e. low pixel counts and poor sunlight visibility?
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because some sites and reviewers simply like to focusing on the negative, and ignoring the overriding positive aspects...

low pixel count??? first i've ever heard of that... Nexus has 800 x 480 screen... that's not 'low pixel count' in my book...

http://phandroid.com/2010/02/16/htc-desire-announced-one-mic-nexus-with-sense/

Cool news reader...


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because some sites and reviewers simply like to focusing on the negative, and ignoring the overriding positive aspects...

low pixel count??? first i've ever heard of that... Nexus has 800 x 480 screen... that's not 'low pixel count' in my book...
Compare to the Droid
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In terms of highlights, the HTC Desire has a 3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen, Android 2.1, Flash 10.1 in the browser
quite interesting...

more interesting snippet from the article...

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Where will that be? Vodafone in April
.... if Vodafone is getting it in April, and is 'supposed' to get the 'Nexus One' by spring.... seems like it would be silly to have both... so does that mean that Vodafone's 'Nexus One' will actually be the Desire, in which case, a CDMA variant may very well be VZW's 'Nexus One' ??

Great little vid...

YouTube - HTC Desire - First Look

HTC Desire first hands-on (updated with video) -- Engadget
HTC Desire first hands-on - Engadget Galleries
A lot of great additional photos here - shows the news reader, more of the Sense UI - looks really good actually... there's a great overview tool for all the screens.... a cool favorites widget that shows your contacts as pics... I'm getting jealous! I wonder how soon XDA will have a hack to install the Desire's Sense onto a Nexus...

HTC - Products - HTC Desire - Overview
Looks like HTC is wasting no time... Already up on their website...

HTC - Products - HTC Desire - Specification
FM radio listed in the specs... Hmmmm.... I wonder if this means the Nexus One has one in there, just not enabled... ???? I guess that might be the trade off between noise cancellation...

wow... the new Sense is impressing me... check the vid (it's the Legend, but it's 2.1...)

pinch feature for all the screens... 7 pages.... the widgets for the email are super cool... and the selection feature in the web browser is major improved (similar to iphone now... but on steroids - can send you to wikepedia, translation site or dictionary... holy crap!!)

HTC enhances Sense with Leap and Friend Stream (updated with video) -- Engadget
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FM radio listed in the specs... Hmmmm.... I wonder if this means the Nexus One has one in there, just not enabled... ???? I guess that might be the trade off between noise cancellation...

HTC - Products - HTC Desire - Specification
Apparently the Nexus One does have an FM Antennae.

Discussion and specification here:

Does the Nexus One have an FM tuner (FM radio) - I am not asking about software apps - Android Help
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MORE.... this is just like information overload!!!

Some more (different) pics and video from phonearena...
MWC 2010: Live Report page9 (Phone Arena News)

YouTube - Introducing HTC Desire
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Would anyone mind if I moved this to the Desire forum, as it has become more about that than anything else?
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saw those - they are obviously trying to make the Nexus look bad... the have the EXACT SAME SCREEN.... the colour choices and brightness levels are obviously set to bias the Desire - which is fine as it's the new kid on the block, but it will give people a false impression.... make no mistake - aside from the outer shell, and buttons, and Sense UI, Desire=Nexus One, and Nexus One=Desire
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saw those - they are obviously trying to make the Nexus look bad... the have the EXACT SAME SCREEN.... the colour choices and brightness levels are obviously set to bias the Desire - which is fine as it's the new kid on the block, but it will give people a false impression.... make no mistake - aside from the outer shell, and buttons, and Sense UI, Desire=Nexus One, and Nexus One=Desire
I don't believe those photos clearly endorse one phone over the other. I think the guy from android central just happened to have a N1 in his pocket and held it up against the Desire for a visual comparison of the look and shape, just as being discussed in this thread. The N1 didn't belong to HTC and they were not somehow tweaking the screen's settings to bias anything. Besides, there is no brightness setting on the phones and upping brightness can destroy gamma and result in a less impressive image anyway. There's no plot here.
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what do you mean there are no brightness settings on the phones?

Setting -> Sound & Display -> Brightness (it's at the bottom)...
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.... if Vodafone is getting it in April, and is 'supposed' to get the 'Nexus One' by spring.... seems like it would be silly to have both... so does that mean that Vodafone's 'Nexus One' will actually be the Desire, in which case, a CDMA variant may very well be VZW's 'Nexus One' ??
T-mobile UK will have the desire first, 26th March. Followed by Vodafone, then Orange both in April

As no one's confirmed the Nexus apart from Vodadfone, us UK peeps best not get any hopes up of seeing it in the shops. Looks like Google direct *might* be your only option.

Although the Nexus looks sexy, I'm deeply torn about the desire seeing as it will be available readily here when my upgrade's due.

Another review -
Hands on: HTC Desire review | News | TechRadar UK
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Besides, there is no brightness setting on the phones and upping brightness can destroy gamma and result in a less impressive image anyway. There's no plot here.
Whatever you are smoking, I want some!!!
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what do you mean there are no brightness settings on the phones?

Setting -> Sound & Display -> Brightness (it's at the bottom)...
Forgot about that. I don't think the brightness was changed to bias anything though.
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Just high on life brotha.

If you've ever calibrated an LCD TV with a colorimeter you know that contrast affects high IRE gamma and brightness affects low IRE gamma. Increasing the brightness kills black levels and.... blah blah blah this isn't an LCD forum so i'll stop there.
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yeah but does the "increasing brightness kills black levels" even apply to amoled? as far as I understood, when black is shown, the amoled pixel is completely off... which is way some data has been shown that wattage is waaaaay less on an AMOLED that is displaying a lot of black vs a lot of white/bright colours....
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yea it's AMOLED brightness doenst affect black at all since black is off... you can't have off with a little brightness to it or else it's on....

and i say it'll come to sprint since verizion is getting nexus, they don't need duplicate phones, so i think sprint may get this one
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It still applies to OLED, upping the brightness pretty much adds to the IRE of a scene. For instance, if you have a 0 IRE scene and brightness of +3, the scene now becomes 3 IRE and 5 IRE becomes 8 IRE. There is usually a particular brightness value for each model of display that is best for accuracy independent of other settings. I would love access to the Brightness, Contrast and RGB High and Low settings of the display. Then it would be possible to actually calibrate the screen. As it is you can still test the screen for grey scale accuracy but can't do much to tweak it.
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In the videos from htc there is a demo of flicking through some pages with "wallpaper*" on them. Is that supposed to be running on flash or something? Anyone know what site it's from?
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and i say it'll come to sprint since verizion is getting nexus, they don't need duplicate phones, so i think sprint may get this one

so you think it is going to Sprint just because Verizon has announced they will be getting the nexus one? Vodafone is getting the desire they announced they will be getting the nexus one I really dont think that theory holds up but just my thoughts.
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I know the whole brightness argument is pretty much pointless now, but I have to say, when I turn up the brightness on my Nexus... the display only gets more BEAUTIFUL!!! I just wish I could keep it that way. The display drains 80% of my battery.
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Old February 20th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #42 (permalink)
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SlashGear has an article comparing the two:
HTC Desire vs. Google Nexus One - SlashGear
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ooh... just saw one major thing I don't like about the Desire in that vid... how the back cover opens... (at ~1:41)... i see that as being more prone to eventually broken tabs, since you have to essentially peel the cover... i much prefer the slide style on the Nexus back cover...

and secondly - anyone notice how the Desire DOESN'T have the little contacts on the bottom... so docking will be different, if even possible with Desire - it would have to rely on the microUSB - which doesn't exaclty allow connectors to slip right in with minimal effort - requires a bit of a push...
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SlashGear has an article comparing the two:
HTC Desire vs. Google Nexus One - SlashGear
so how do these skins look, that are available for the N1? Is there anywhere to see them?
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