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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:31 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Agreed.

That said, I still really like the other specs of the x. I couldnt bring myself not to get anything top of the line, so the s and v are out anyway.

But still.... Maybe something better will be here by May..

I'm really confused and disappointed.

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But still.... Maybe something better will be here by May..
Wishful thinking eh? I'm really quite miffed tbh. Nothing grabs me immediately. I like the sound of the X bit I'm cynical about the lack of expandable memory and I think like the sound of it as I don't like the sound of the other confirmed handsets! At least I've got another 6 months.
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The new HTC handsets are on techradar if anyone is interested.

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Sorry guys can't work out how to do bloody links.
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Sorry guys can't work out how to do bloody links.

Just paste them into the text box.
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Unless you want to name it something.

Whats going on here? Complete sense ovehaul?

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Unless you want to name it something.

Whats going on here? Complete sense ovehaul?

Well... looks like it's confirmed! No Micro-SD card upgrade slot

Who cares if the internal memory is faster! SD speeds are more than capable of movies or music etc it just seems an important thing to be missing off!
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Old February 27th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Its a trend right now

Although I would consider the X without one..
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32GB would be ample storage for me apps+music, 16GB would be rather tight though
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Yeah My 16GB card is often near full. 32 should be alright for me. All my WAV, FLAC etc on internal MMC and everything else streamed via google music..
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I got to say I'm quite disappointed with the announcements. I'd begrudgingly accept 32gb internal and I know it'd be more than ample. I just want the option on principle.
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I'd like a memory card slot, but with 32gb internal I think I'd be alright.
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Kind of like the X, too. The lack of external SD card slot is an obvious drawback. 32 Gb is a lot, though, so no real biggie.

What makes me even more unimpressed is the inaccessible battery. Not being able to do a battery pull if the phone hangs after a bad flash or random bad behaviour really makes me doubt it.

I can't remember how many times a battery pull has made my phone behave, when everything else has failed.
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Kind of like the X, too. The lack of external SD card slot is an obvious drawback. 32 Gb is a lot, though, so no real biggie.

What makes me even more unimpressed is the inaccessible battery. Not being able to do a battery pull if the phone hangs after a bad flash or random bad behaviour really makes me doubt it.

I can't remember how many times a battery pull has made my phone behave, when everything else has failed.
I can't believe I missed that! No removable battery is another major set-back!

I'm the same! I've had applications hang and only a battery pull has got the phone back responding! Can't believe I'd have to wait nearly a day or more before it ran out of charge to get my phone back!

Plus I like the idea of putting a new battery in the phone should I decide to keep it longer than 2 years and the battery starts dying!

Can't believe they bring out newer and better phones but then scrimp on the extras that would make them better....
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I assume there's an equivalent of the battery pull (same way that holding the power button down on a computer will force a shutdown even with the OS totally locked-up). How do people cope with the Galaxy Nexus?

BTW it seems I slandered the One V - that one actually does have a memory card slot! But that one is barely an upgrade on the Desire, and unfortunately it seems that the information about the other 2 was accurate (they are on the HTC website now).
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There's a 3 button combo on the desire that simulates a battery pull (forget the combo now) which I assume is cross transferable on HTC devices. Not sure about other devices though.

I do like a removable battery though and often site the lack of this as a downfall on phones and laptops alike



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Agreed, though I can see the motivation.
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Plus I like the idea of putting a new battery in the phone should I decide to keep it longer than 2 years and the battery starts dying!

Can't believe they bring out newer and better phones but then scrimp on the extras that would make them better....
Basically this. I don't like restrictions.
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I am liking the look of the One X, but seeing this is giving me second thoughts. Quite like the ides of everything docking together. Think the price for everything may be prohibitive though.

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I don't like the current trend for larger phones so the One S would be my option. However the MicroSim & no SD slot are seriously putting me off.

I think I'll wait and see what happens with the Sensation XE with ICS and hopefully it's price will drop when the Ones hit the market.
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Whats the issue with a microsim?
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Interested to see how these new One phones run. What I'd read is that Sense 4.0 had been stripped down a bit on these because of ICS. If the combination works well so they are fast and smooth, then they may build up a bit of buzz which could attract developer attention again.
The hardware specs and looks at the moment don't seem to be doing it.
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Yep, no sd means I won't be buying one. I've currently got a 64gb sdxc in my phone with all my music on and 3gb free (i got rid of my ipod). It seems as though HTC gave with one hand finally adding more internal memory and took with the other removing the sd slot.

No sd and non removable battery, sounds like a fruit flavoured phone to me
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Liking everything about the X except the battery situation......everything else ticks all my boxes, just don't like the idea of not being able to physically pull the battery...or change it.

Early suggestions on some sites are that it will be on decent priced contracts as well, unless they are just trying to lure folk in early then jump the prices up.
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Hope so. I was disappointed Samsung got it twice in a row. It's good for developers too, if it shares hardware
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Liking everything about the X except the battery situation......everything else ticks all my boxes, just don't like the idea of not being able to physically pull the battery...or change it.

Early suggestions on some sites are that it will be on decent priced contracts as well, unless they are just trying to lure folk in early then jump the prices up.
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Not too bad at 31 per month (with no upfront cost) if you take into account the handset alone is over 500. If you want to pay it of over 24 months this seems pretty reasonable.

However I just cant face another 24 month deal, as much as I love my desire I need to be able to change my phone a bit more frequently.

Thinking of buying an S2 sim free and a cheapo sim deal for 12 months as I cant justify 500 for a handset. I doubt I would notice a major difference between the phones for what I use it for. Give it 12 months I can re-asses the situation.
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Hard to identify a single main concern.

There are minimum specs that have to be met (e.g. storage), and others have to be high enough to give it longevity (I buy offline, so don't want to change too often). Then I have to trust the manufacturer's quality control.

Given those, it's a matter of good dev support plus liking the look and feel (because I will spend a lot of time with it).
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For me it's something along the lines of:
Battery Performance
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The other stuff like look and feel, well that's something that i can control.
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You can control what's on the screen - I was thinking of the hardware.
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How pretty it is
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That there is nothing higher spec'd in the same range
That it's as new as possible

And for my next phone....

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Dual core / quad core
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How pretty it is
How pretty it is
That there is nothing higher spec'd in the same range
That it's as new as possible

And for my next phone....

Big Screen
ICS release
Dual core / quad core
Not much then. ;-D
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That's how hard beating the desire is ...
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I still have my Desire but I'm very interested by the HTC One X. I'm just waiting for several horror stories to emerge and put me off!
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I had a thought last night which completely turned me off.

I'll be rooting and flashing my one x. If the battery cannot.be removed, how does one escape a boot loop?
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I'm unsure of my next choice as I'm reluctant to spend ~£30/month for a minimum of 18 months for a phone I'm settling on. The Desire was something I researched a heck of a lot and was sure I wanted one and it hasn't disappointed. But saying that, I didn't consider rooting when investing that was a hidden gem which I want to transfer to my next device. Access to the battery will be essential and space for a memory card far preferable.
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I had a thought last night which completely turned me off.

I'll be rooting and flashing my one x. If the battery cannot.be removed, how does one escape a boot loop?
Oh my..
You have a excellent point there.
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I had a thought last night which completely turned me off.

I'll be rooting and flashing my one x. If the battery cannot.be removed, how does one escape a boot loop?
Hopefully with one of these miracle button presses that work no matter what state the phone is in! (yeah right!)

Either that or you have to hope that on a boot loop holding down volume (or equivalent) gets you back into boot loader and then back into recovery..... hopefully!!!
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Hopefully with one of these miracle button presses that work no matter what state the phone is in! (yeah right!)

Either that or you have to hope that on a boot loop holding down volume (or equivalent) gets you back into boot loader and then back into recovery..... hopefully!!!
Unless it's proven, it's not a risk I'm willing to take.
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Hi all,

I have had my Desire a couple of years, or almost at least and I really fancy a change. The Desire has been a great phone but times do change and I think the time is near.

I'm not really up to speed on phones just around the corner so wouldn't know when the best time would be. I fancy the Sensation but wonder if it's likely to be superseded any time soon.

Can anyone make any suggestions? I love HTC phones but as long as it's Android I'll consider others

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Except when blackberry did a switch firmware upgrade without fail over, roll back or risk mitigation, leaving the entire world without BES and BIS communication for the best part of a week you mean?

That's REALLY bad IT practice.

Cant argue much about security though.
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I'll be rooting and flashing my one x. If the battery cannot.be removed, how does one escape a boot loop?
I had exactly the same thought. Worried me no end. I assume HTC have thought of this as I would have thought a boot loop is something that even their tech guys would experience.

There must be some way out of a boot loop.

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I had exactly the same thought. Worried me no end. I assume HTC have thought of this as I would have thought a boot loop is something that even their tech guys would experience.

There must be some way out of a boot loop.

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Well my desire specific testing (which obviously doesnt necessarily translate to One X) confirms that the hardware button reset;

  • if done during the boot animation, will reboot the device
  • if done in the splash screen, it waits 30 seconds before reboot


With the latter, you can hold back during the wait and get to the boot loader. It may be trickier with the boot animation as its almost instant.


I havent done a logcat whilst testing so I am not sure at what point the splash screen reboot occurs and if its looping, whether that would work at all. I suppose I could force a boot loop this weekend if I had the time but Im not interested in a loop of animation, more a loop at splash. I think I know a way to guarantee the latter, but cannot confirm yet.
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I'll be rooting and flashing my one x. If the battery cannot.be removed, how does one escape a boot loop?
That was my major reason for bringing up the issue of me really wanting a phone that I can physically remove all the power sources from. Obviously I didn't manage to make myself clear ;-)

To sort some problems you encounter down the rooting/flashing route seem to require not only a battery pull, but for you to leave the battery out for two or three minutes to let any residual charges in the components drain away completely.

That won't be possible using a hardware button reset.

Is this such a problem as I imagine it to be?
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I would still take the One X. Sounds like a solid phone.

I have done many a battery pull on my desire... and was wondering if there would be a way to simulate that on the One X...

BTW, One X comes with an unlockable bootloader. (tool provided by HTC)
Also, Sense 4.0 seems WAY less bloated and faster.
The camera also seems superb. (The Desire's camera was alright, but this camera is slated to be awesome)

1080p video recording at 60 fps. Encoding + decoding.

All in all I like it a lot. 32 GB is way more than enough for me.
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I've read the reviews of the camera, but I don't believe them. Someone whose name I cannot mention got their hands on a one x and told me they thought the camera was crap. I hold this guy in high esteem so I trust his judgement.
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I've read the reviews of the camera, but I don't believe them. Someone whose name I cannot mention got their hands on a one x and told me they thought the camera was crap. I hold this guy in high esteem so I trust his judgement.
Fair enough, my judgement is based on reviews. If you have a better source, I'll trust you lol

Even without the camera it is an amazing phone.
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I really like the sound of the CPU and the screen. Not sure what ill do now
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