I like my Eris. I know that it has issues, even rooted, but I still like it.
I was incredibly envious though when my wife added a line to our Verizon account to upgrade from her non-smart phone to X prior to our NE2 date. I was even greener when I received the e-mail that her X had been shipped. I kept trying to think of anything I could do just to get my hands on her X. When she texted me today and told me she received her X, I almost couldn't stand it. I counted the minutes until I could get home and check it out.
To my amazement, I still prefer my Eris. It is smaller than the X. Even though I haven't OC'ed my phone, I couldn't tell a difference in the speeds between the two phones. Where my phone has nice curves, the X is slab-sided. The buttons on my phone are rounded and almost smooth, where I found the buttons on the X to be almost ... jagged. The Home button on my phone is on far left below the screen, while that location is taken up by the Menu button on the X (and the Home button is to the right of it).
Even the camera button on the X is ugly, a big red blemish on the side of the phone while I can still use my trackball.
I fully realize that my phone has passed it's EOL date, doesn't have nearly as fast of a processor, a lower-resolution camera, and will never get another official update, but I will keep it for at least a while longer.
To those who want or have an X, congrats and I hope you're happy with your decision. But I still like my original Eris and can foresee keeping it at least until 1/1/2011, if not the end of my two-year agreement.
That, my friends, is my two cents. (I'll get off my soapbox now.)
That's a fine comparative review of two vastly different devices, pavirotten.
I take particular interest in the speed comparison, not to mention your eye for the aesthetic appeal of the Eris.
The big screen is what I'm looking forward to, though (I'll be getting the X pretty soon, although I'll keep the Eris activated and in use).
My experience (testing in the store) differ a bit wrt the speed as compared to a co-worker's non-rooted Eris (mine is rooted), though; I found the X to be a bit quicker in menu changing and app loading.
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Personally I want a D2, I got an Eris because back in January I couldn't afford a D1.
I was considering the Droid 2, as well.
I turned away from that because of the smaller screen size as compared to the X. I have been waiting for a large screen Android with no slide out keyboard.
I am getting a new phone next fall, things I want include:
At least a 1ghz processor
4.0" screen or larger (not much larger though)
8mp Camera
ABILITY TO BE ROOTED W/ Custom ROM
Sleek, curvy appearance
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I own both an Eris and a Droid X. My X is my primary phone and I usually only bust-out the Eris when testing things related to root or playing with Android app development. I have no plans to abandon my Eris. I love that little guy and it is still an awesome phone (especially when rooted).
Yes, the X is a little bit "slabby", especially when compared to the sleek lines of the Eris. But I'm very comfortable with its lines and feel in the hand (I didn't care for the Incredible and I didn't want a slide-out keyboard). The X is also much faster in all respects to the Eris and the much larger screen is incomparable. Viewing and typing is awesome on the X (although I usually do change to landscape mode for typing since that seems to work better for me).
I actually have not rooted my X (yet) or installed the leaked version of Froyo thats floating-around out "there" (I know better than to install "leaks" ). The base 2.1 X can be slightly overclocked (but the kernel cannot be replaced). The devs are beginning to be able to build custom ROMs. Things are beginning to open-up in this regard.
I jumped on the X since I don't think we'll see too many other new phones with 4.3 inch screens...I think we'll see the 4-inch and below in the new, sleeker forms that we're starting to see now with the new phones that are being released.
My hubby has the X, and it's a cool phone, but it's not for me. It's too big, and doesn't fit comfortably in my pocket. (Or my hands, really.) I don't like the buttons, either. I know rooting is popular around here, but I still run stock, and I like Sense a lot more than Blur or whatever his X is running. I guess a better processor and future updates would be nice, but I really love my phone.
I am getting a new phone next fall, things I want include:
At least a 1ghz processor
4.0" screen or larger (not much larger though)
8mp Camera
ABILITY TO BE ROOTED W/ Custom ROM
Sleek, curvy appearance
That's a fine comparative review of two vastly different devices, pavirotten...
The reason I compared the Eris and the X is that both are in my house and I was truly excited about the introduction of the X. I was even considering trying to get Verizon to allow me to use my annual upgrade early in order to get the X as soon as possible.
After seeing the X up close and personal though, I think I'll pass.
1 Ghz next Fall? That'll be worse than the Eris is now relative to its competition in terms of stats.
Motorola drops a 2 Ghz later this year. eFuse is cracked, the only phones you should be looking at are Samsungs and Motorolas from now on, assuming you want performance.
1 Ghz next Fall? That'll be worse than the Eris is now relative to its competition in terms of stats.
Motorola drops a 2 Ghz later this year. eFuse is cracked, the only phones you should be looking at are Samsungs and Motorolas from now on, assuming you want performance.
Hmm i think hes just mad his wife got a Droid X and is actually comparing an eris to a Droid X and saying their both fast and that his Eris is better looking because he doesnt have a Droid X. But wait until he actually gets a Droid X he will probably be shooting his Eris down with a shotgun saying that he cant believe he stayed with that slow piece of junk. Past owner of Eris here. Can't believe i had that phone.
Hasn't been officially revealed yet, so I can't say.
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Hmm i think hes just mad his wife got a Droid X and is actually comparing an eris to a Droid X and saying their both fast and that his Eris is better looking because he doesnt have a Droid X. But wait until he actually gets a Droid X he will probably be shooting his Eris down with a shotgun saying that he cant believe he stayed with that slow piece of junk. Past owner of Eris here. Can't believe i had that phone.
My Eris is spread out over a golf course from the Fourth when it was strapped to bottle rockets and taken for a ride. I still smile thinking about it.
performance...for what? benchmarks? I don't need a 600$ phone with a dual core 2ghz chip and a 7" screen to read google reader, send texts, watch youtube, and call my grandmother. I really can't fathom what people are doing on their phones these days.
the X is bigger than the evo, and even the evo I can barely use one handed. I cannot stand having to use a second hand or two-hand grip to type or navigate.
however, it is very sleek and fast. the hardware function buttons annoy the crap out of me, though.
next step shoud be something the size of the DInc, better built, and faster. the samsung looks pretty nice.
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One reason that I wanted to upgrade to a more powerful phone was to not be left-behind when future O/S upgrades and significant apps (i.e., flash) are released (and will only be supported by the higher-performance phones). The large 4.3 inch display was also a factor.
I'm sure a lot of that is driven by marketing and sales (i.e., to keep phone turnover occurring), but much of it is legit where the new software needs a more powerful platform to run smoothly on.
But I do agree that most apps and functions on a smartphone don't need to be done on a 2GHz 16GB device.
I know...I know...I got a little zinger from jreed too ... I'm really just waiting for the official Froyo release...then, I'll root it... Its a pretty good phone, unrooted.
My Eris is satisfying my rooting "hobby" for now...I've flashed more custom ROMs in the last two weeks than I did in the first three months that I was rooted.
Cheers!
edit: by the way, my wife says to not encourage me
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performance...for what? benchmarks? I don't need a 600$ phone with a dual core 2ghz chip and a 7" screen to read google reader, send texts, watch youtube, and call my grandmother. I really can't fathom what people are doing on their phones these days.
Its becuase you are not a smart phone user. Seems like you bought a smart phone just to be "cool". I have owned the Eris for about 5 months and switched the the Incredible. The Eris is so slow and frustrating to use. Browsing the internet on my Incredible is 3-4 times faster than with my Eris. Google Nav on the Eris is so slow its almost useless. You can forget multitasking on the Eris since it gets crippled due to lack of RAM. It so frustrating to have the Eris in a situations where you need to quickly look something up or quickly get directions ect due to how slow the phone is. The Eris is an OK phone for people that use it mostly just as a phone but for people who use apps like the browser daily, well its just a waste of time.
same experience with Evo. same web browser speed on 3G (no sprint 4G like almost everywhere). Mine was actually a tad faster for whatever reason. EVO not pocket friendly at all (I'm a man but would have to get into man bags to carry one lol). with both running 2.1 and HTC sense the experience was exactly the same and that was BEFORE I rooted. this wasnt a 15 minute once over either. I played with it almost daily for hours at work (co worker has one). I wish I had the camera flash and the kickstand but honestly my eris and canon SD780is pocket camera combined are smaller and more pocket friendly than the EVO and it runs circles around any phone for pictures and shoots good quality HD video. I understand liking big screens but at some point it henders mobility and even makes them less attractive. If they put the EVO package in the size of the Eris I'd be sold (even though from my experience if they did that it would just be an Eris with flash and kickstand and better paper specs at least on andriod 2.1).
Its becuase you are not a smart phone user. Seems like you bought a smart phone just to be "cool". I have owned the Eris for about 5 months and switched the the Incredible. The Eris is so slow and frustrating to use. Browsing the internet on my Incredible is 3-4 times faster than with my Eris. Google Nav on the Eris is so slow its almost useless. You can forget multitasking on the Eris since it gets crippled due to lack of RAM. It so frustrating to have the Eris in a situations where you need to quickly look something up or quickly get directions ect due to how slow the phone is. The Eris is an OK phone for people that use it mostly just as a phone but for people who use apps like the browser daily, well its just a waste of time.
My GPS has always worked flawless. I watched the street signs exactly at the point I pass them. I mean dead on with no lag. If you mean time to load a destination I've never even thought about that until now so it must not be too bad (or I'm never in that much of a rush LOL). the experience is basically no different than any cheap stand alone GPS and since its a $99 PHONE ($19 and one free for me with upgrade credit) the fact that the GPS functions as well as it does certainly leaves little to complain about. Its like needing good quality photo's and complaining about a phone camera. Like I posted above I put my eris side by side with the EVO multiple times on 3G and the browser was faster for whatever reason. perhaps would be different on wifi. I agree I'd expect an upgraded phone to multi task better and open apps faster and SHOULD be better with the two things you mentioned but I didn't find that to be the case with the EVO and would have been severly p*ssed if I upgraded. I rooted to froyo, overclock to 748mhz, moved several apps to hard drive now speed and multi tasking is a non issue and none of it cost me a penny. Is it an incredible, NO but its nowhere near as incapable as you describe.
Most importantly when you bought the phone you knew it was entry level to the motorola droid. rooted my eris dust a stock 2.1 motorola droid in every benchmark btw and not far off from a stock nexus one on 2.1.
Its becuase you are not a smart phone user. Seems like you bought a smart phone just to be "cool". I have owned the Eris for about 5 months and switched the the Incredible. The Eris is so slow and frustrating to use. Browsing the internet on my Incredible is 3-4 times faster than with my Eris. Google Nav on the Eris is so slow its almost useless. You can forget multitasking on the Eris since it gets crippled due to lack of RAM. It so frustrating to have the Eris in a situations where you need to quickly look something up or quickly get directions ect due to how slow the phone is. The Eris is an OK phone for people that use it mostly just as a phone but for people who use apps like the browser daily, well its just a waste of time.
so I'm not a smartphone user because it takes 2 extra seconds for me to switch out of navi and load up google?
the dinc is amazing, I agree, but I think I'll save my upgrade for whatever replaces IT. that should be really "incredible"
so I'm not a smartphone user because it takes 2 extra seconds for me to switch out of navi and load up google?
Correct. You see, the Eris take three to four times as long to render pages and has no flash 10.1 support. Google has no content on its webpage so anythin will load it fast. Try loading androidforums on an eris. It so slow. The Incredbile easily saves me 10 seconds. Plus navigating webpages is so frustrating with the eris.
No real smartphone user will put up with the constant delays and lag that the Eris suffers from. I easily save 15min per day by not waiting on the lag from the slow Eris.
Why can't these phone companies be more like Apple, stick to one design that works and just upgrade the inner hardware and screen every few years. I love my Eris now that I rooted it, and I don't want to switch phones becuase I like it's form factor, the design is great, I want the same phone 2 years from now, just better hardware/camera +flash.
^^ there is a certain merit to that approach, but luckily we're to the point now where almost every phone is so powerful and useable that you actually can choose between different phones with different features/form factors that *don't* suck.
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No real smartphone user will put up with the constant delays and lag that the Eris suffers from. I easily save 15min per day by not waiting on the lag from the slow Eris.
I save 15 minutes a day by using instapaper/google mobilizers/mobile web because even on 3g the full web is just a waste of time. I'm with Jobs on this one. Flash can go right to hell. I only use it for youtube and everything else (ads) is blocked on all my devices.
Seriously, I don't even browse the "full" web on my PC.
I haven't been on the forums in a while, but I stopped by to check out the Eris thread.
I got the Eris as my first Android phone, and I loved it. I loaded the leak v1 (not by any means a programmers accomplishment, but something new for me) and it was exciting. I recommended the Eris to a few people at work, and they loved it too. The pics were great, and the video was good as well.
I upgraded to the X in July, and as my second Android phone, I love it as well. It's a powerhouse, and is speeder than the Eris in almost every way.
But...
The Eris will always be my favorite Android phone, even when a 4.5" beast with 3.3 (Jujubee?) and a quad core processor comes out. Not just because of something as simple as nostalgia, but because the phone WORKED. Silent call bug be dammed, the Eris is awesome.
Correct. You see, the Eris take three to four times as long to render pages and has no flash 10.1 support. Google has no content on its webpage so anythin will load it fast. Try loading androidforums on an eris. It so slow. The Incredbile easily saves me 10 seconds. Plus navigating webpages is so frustrating with the eris.
No real smartphone user will put up with the constant delays and lag that the Eris suffers from. I easily save 15min per day by not waiting on the lag from the slow Eris.
You know, I hate the Eris as much as you do, but wow, I think you exaggerate a bit too much.
Well, you are banned, so not much to say now. But these guys seem fine with it. I think I've put up with enough crap with the phone that I can still help out. But yeah, it's definitely a time of my life I want to forget, owning the Eris. And not just because of the phone.
Motorola's "anti-ROM DRM" is enough for me to swear off anything they put out. I don't care if it can be rooted eventually, the fact that they put forth the extra effort to force me into using it the way THEY intended is enough for me to add them to my "Do not buy from this company list".
I'd rather go back to my old w810i.
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Hmm i think hes just mad his wife got a Droid X and is actually comparing an eris to a Droid X and saying their both fast and that his Eris is better looking because he doesnt have a Droid X.
Am I mad that she has the X and I don't? Not in the least. I could easily try to upgrade a month or two early or add another line just as she did in order to get one.
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But wait until he actually gets a Droid X he will probably be shooting his Eris down with a shotgun saying that he cant believe he stayed with that slow piece of junk. Past owner of Eris here. Can't believe i had that phone.
As far as this comment is concerned: My wife and I just drove over 600 miles one-way to visit a family member over the Labor Day weekend. We were on the road for over 11 hours each way, including stopping once each way to eat, gas stops, and a small detour to a house we once owned. I drove half the time, she drove the other half. I also compared the speed of the two every night after she went to bed while both were plugged into the same electrical outlet.
I had plenty of time to test the X against the Eris yet again side-by-side, running the EXACT SAME APPS. Again, I am 100% satisfied that I have my Eris. While the X has the "Gee Whiz" effect, I am quite pleased that the right Eris can still hold its own against just about any phone released, new or old. I could not tell a difference when I went to launch an app, get directions, send or receive texts, or just about any other test I ran.
Yes, I am aware that the X has a much faster processor. Yes, I am aware that the X has greater memory.
My initial comparison was just meant to relay my experiences with both phones over the course of one evening. Over the course of the trip, my initial feeling about these phones are the same. I realize that some people think I may be out of my mind, jealous, or a little of both, but nothing could be further from the truth. While I am glad that my wife has a phone that makes her happy, I continue to be happy with my phone. Isn't that what's it's all about anyway, being happy with the phone you have?
Am I mad that she has the X and I don't? Not in the least. I could easily try to upgrade a month or two early or add another line just as she did in order to get one.
As far as this comment is concerned: My wife and I just drove over 600 miles one-way to visit a family member over the Labor Day weekend. We were on the road for over 11 hours each way, including stopping once each way to eat, gas stops, and a small detour to a house we once owned. I drove half the time, she drove the other half. I also compared the speed of the two every night after she went to bed while both were plugged into the same electrical outlet.
I had plenty of time to test the X against the Eris yet again side-by-side, running the EXACT SAME APPS. Again, I am 100% satisfied that I have my Eris. While the X has the "Gee Whiz" effect, I am quite pleased that the right Eris can still hold its own against just about any phone released, new or old. I could not tell a difference when I went to launch an app, get directions, send or receive texts, or just about any other test I ran.
Yes, I am aware that the X has a much faster processor. Yes, I am aware that the X has greater memory.
My initial comparison was just meant to relay my experiences with both phones over the course of one evening. Over the course of the trip, my initial feeling about these phones are the same. I realize that some people think I may be out of my mind, jealous, or a little of both, but nothing could be further from the truth. While I am glad that my wife has a phone that makes her happy, I continue to be happy with my phone.
Motorola's "anti-ROM DRM" is enough for me to swear off anything they put out. I don't care if it can be rooted eventually, the fact that they put forth the extra effort to force me into using it the way THEY intended is enough for me to add them to my "Do not buy from this company list".
I'd rather go back to my old w810i.
That's the way to stick it to em.
"Screw your superior chipset. I'll suffer with my lag rather than give you money."
Get over it. eFuse has been cracked and there are custom ROMs running around now.
You want a whore of a phone that'll let you have your way with it? Get a Samsung.
"Screw your superior chipset. I'll suffer with my lag rather than give you money."
Get over it. eFuse has been cracked and there are custom ROMs running around now.
I don't have much lag but, I will not buy a Motorola no matter how good the rest of the phone is. Same reason I don't buy games from Ubisoft; I don't support anti-consumer DRM.
I apologize that my principles get in the way of me buying a phone that you like.
I don't have much lag but, I will not buy a Motorola no matter how good the rest of the phone is. Same reason I don't buy games from Ubisoft; I don't support anti-consumer DRM.
I apologize that my principles get in the way of me buying a phone that you like.
It doesn't bother me much. There are plenty of good phones out there, but your reason for not buying a Motorola phone is a bit flawed. If there are other reasons, then it's ok. But, like I said, eFuse has been cracked and custom ROMs are out there.
If it's the principle that they had the software in place in the first place, then don't forget your Eris was updated multiple times to patch exploits needed for rooting. So...Motorola isn't the only one guilty of doing this.
It doesn't bother me much. There are plenty of good phones out there, but your reason for not buying a Motorola phone is a bit flawed. If there are other reasons, then it's ok. But, like I said, eFuse has been cracked and custom ROMs are out there.
If it's the principle that they had the software in place in the first place, then don't forget your Eris was updated multiple times to patch exploits needed for rooting. So...Motorola isn't the only one guilty of doing this.
eFuse is not the same as a locked bootloader. And it doesn't matter if's been cracked. It's the fact that Motorola saw fit to take the "protection" one step further than other manufacturers.
To go back to the software DRM comparison. I can accept some DRM, such as Steam, when it gives additional features. Ubisoft took it to the extreme with their DRM and Activision removed features from MW2 in order to implement their DRM. I will not give money to a company that implements DRM beyond what I consider reasonable.
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i've got an eris, d2 and evo 4g in the house. I love my d2. The eris with kaosfroyo v30 is a great phone, however it just doesnt have the processor power that the d2 and the evo do. The evo is great, stupid fast, BUT the battery life is nothing next to the d2.
Vs. the X, if HDMI is a big deal to you, or higher res video/picture than you would probably want the x. Short of that and a few other things, I prefer my d2. The x is a little too big IMO.
Rooting does take care of the motoblur bloatware hell, which will wipe out the battery on the d2/x quickly, but at this point there isnt a way to flash in a custom kernel to overclock....yet.
There are a few roms out now and more are coming out for the d2, i believe the x has a small handfull as well.
Either way, its definatley a nice upgrade from the eris, which is still a good phone post root/rom
I love my Eris to death. It is my very first Android phone so it holds a special place in my heart. However, when my upgrade rolls around, I'm going to be looking into the X or some of the other Android phones that are out there. The X has a lot of nice features that would make me happy.
Eris is outdated. story closed. Windows 7 is out, and the eris is running 95...
Not if you are rooted [lots of great ROMs out there that really basically give you an upgrade / boost]. Overclocking to even a minimal 710MHz makes a sluggish phone snappy.
I'm not bashing the Eris. I loved mine. its even built better than the Inc. If we could have the Inc processor in the Eris body. best phone made to date... but no why would htye do that, lets drop a top selling phone and make a new one. look at the iphone, you have a great idea, build from it...
scary alien, I changed my name used to be HTCthebestdroid... what ever happened to eris official 1,1,,,?
Dude, missed you around here...how did you change your name? Did you have to re-signup? I noticed Droider13 over on the Droid X threads is now "D13"...maybe mods/guides can do this or at your request...
I keep checking the threads over on XDA to see if 1.1 is coming... I almost figure Ivan has moved on to ther things. A new version w/the 17-July OTA update and his other tweaks would have been sweet! I also think that PlainJaneT2 is pretty-much what Ivan's full 1.1 would have been, so maybe he's abandoned things since it was already pretty-much done.
BTW, I do agree with you re. the Incredible...I almost pulled the trigger on that phone, but the timing of upgrades, etc. led me to wait for the X.
I pull-out the ole Eris every once in a while...my son is starting to show some interest in Android app development...I helped him setup the SDK and Eclipse the other day with an Android Virtual Device to start playing with building apps. I think he's got an eye on my Eris .
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). The base 2.1 X can be slightly overclocked (but the kernel cannot be replaced). The devs are beginning to be able to build custom ROMs. Things are beginning to open-up in this regard.
instead of a retort.
... I'm really just waiting for the official Froyo release...then, I'll root it... Its a pretty good phone, unrooted. 
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