Just wondering, how does this effect speed? I thought only the RAM and Processor had these effects. Is there a way to upgrade the RAM?
I look at it like a Computer, if the phone accesses the SD card then anything that accesses it will work faster.
For example, I have a Macbook Pro from 2007, came with a 5400RPM drive. I upgraded recently to a 7200rpm drive and it runs faster due tot he faster read/write ability of the new drive.
Now I don't think everything will improve with the faster SD card, but I have not done an upgrade yet, although it is now on my list
textstev, that's probably a question for erisuser1 or other authority to figure out, but as a lay user I can definitely see (now that this mod has been in place for a month) that there's a robust, consistent improvement over stock.
I've tried to do my homework in confirming that it's not some other reason I'm just not seeing, and can't come to any other conclusion.
That other users like pkopalek have seen similar gains with their Class 6 cards bodes well for the Eris community, and possibly other Android phones as well. Feels nice to contribute.
Transfering files onto my old 8gb class 4 card right now! Hope I see some improvement. If I do... maybe I'll buy a 16gb class 6, although I'm not really sure if I will need 16gb. Would I have enough room on an 8gb to store some movies along with my music? I don't have that much music on there, only like 20 albums.
Oh and thanks a ton for the tutorial. I could actually understand and did it successfully! Big deal for me!!!! Not sure how much faster it is though...
Last edited by karib; January 29th, 2010 at 01:43 PM.
My movies are around 1GB each. So, they can fill up your card pretty fast if you want a good selection with you that day.
Thats alot for one movie... ouch! Looks like I might be dropping another $50 to upgrade the card. I guess only if I can actually figure out how to put a movie on there, lol! Hey, do you happen to live near northern IL??? You come over, do it for me, I buy you some pizza and beer??? j/k
For my two cents, upgrading to a class 6 card made a world of difference.
The music player and browsing photos are a little snappier, but not a ton--I definitely see some increase in the read speed of this card, but there's clearly a bigger bump in write speed.
Where I see a lot of difference is the camera (almost zero lag after taking picture/video, it's ready to snap again almost immediately), and sync time is a lot faster... I use Salling Media Sync, which tells you the speed it's writing data to the card. With the class 2 I was getting speeds around 2-3 Mbytes/sec, maxing out at just under 4. With the new card, it's consistently between 6-7, and it crept up to 9.X mBytes/sec for a little while. It takes almost no time at all to load huge files or a ton of music on this thing anymore. Saving files from the web is faster, if you use Dolphin and cache on the SD card, the browser responds quicker, etc. It's not system-wide, but there's improvements in a lot of areas.
You can replace your stock 8 gig card with a class 6 of the same size for about $20, or about $40-$50 for a 16 gig. Yes, it's an added expenditure, but remember that this isn't like buying an Eris-specific battery or case... if/when you move on to your next upgraded phone, chances are you can take the SD card with you. I'd highly recommend this upgrade, honestly.
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For my two cents, upgrading to a class 6 card made a world of difference.
The music player and browsing photos are a little snappier, but not a ton--I definitely see some increase in the read speed of this card, but there's clearly a bigger bump in write speed.
Where I see a lot of difference is the camera (almost zero lag after taking picture/video, it's ready to snap again almost immediately), and sync time is a lot faster... I use Salling Media Sync, which tells you the speed it's writing data to the card. With the class 2 I was getting speeds around 2-3 Mbytes/sec, maxing out at just under 4. With the new card, it's consistently between 6-7, and it crept up to 9.X mBytes/sec for a little while. It takes almost no time at all to load huge files or a ton of music on this thing anymore. Saving files from the web is faster, if you use Dolphin and cache on the SD card, the browser responds quicker, etc. It's not system-wide, but there's improvements in a lot of areas.
You can replace your stock 8 gig card with a class 6 of the same size for about $20, or about $40-$50 for a 16 gig. Yes, it's an added expenditure, but remember that this isn't like buying an Eris-specific battery or case... if/when you move on to your next upgraded phone, chances are you can take the SD card with you. I'd highly recommend this upgrade, honestly.
The brand is transcend, but I can't remember where I bought it, and oddly enough can't find a receipt in my email... puzzling. Regardless, it was either Amazon or buy.com, or somebody else through Google checkout.
My only advice as to shopping online for these things is be careful... I was trying to spend as little as possible while still getting a fast card, so I was digging around all sorts of bargain sites. I came across more than one that claimed to be class 6 speed at a great price, but a quick Google search of the product # listed showed a class 2 card. One even showed a pic of the card, with the "C2" clearly visible! So just be smart.
For those wanting to know which brand I have (I am the OP), it's TOPRAM.
TOPRAM, from what I've been able to find, has gotten some criticism for their *full-size* SDHC products for poor write speed (in the account I read, worse than a C2). However I've not been able to find any anecdotal evidence online that this applies to their microSD stuff. That's not conclusive, though.
RiData cards however, do have a number of claims to their good performance, one from a site that does nothing but compare memory. To boot, pkopalek paid *less* for his RiData 16GB C6 than I did for the TOPRAM.
If the funds appear, my next 16GB card will be the RiData Lightning C6. It has a job elsewhere if it doesn't exceed the TOPRAM's performance.
I tried looking up the specs on the MSM7600 chip set, and all I could find that said anything about write/read speed was here in post by "lars" dated 11/17/09: nueOverClockTest
He gives two sets of speeds, main storage and internal storage. (Internal storage = Interner speicher).
Here's were his results:
Main storage (write);14912.62;KB/sec = 14.9 MB/sec
Main storage (read);18561.93;KB/sec = 18.6 MB/sec
Interner Speicher (write); 405.06;KB/sec = 0.4 MB/sec
Interner Speicher (read);13931.97;KB/sec = 13.9 MB/sec
Class 6 has a write speed of 6 MB/sec (vs 2 MB/sec for class 2). So it looks like the faster card could make a difference, assuming the "main storage" is the bus speed to the card. Not sure about that though. Maybe someone familiar with these processors/chip sets knows.
Wish I would have known this before I bought a class 2!
As a generalization, would I be right in saying that if you don't use your Eris for camera or music stuff, there's not a whole lot of point in upgrading the SD card?
As a generalization, would I be right in saying that if you don't use your Eris for camera or music stuff, there's not a whole lot of point in upgrading the SD card?
For now, you're right, for the most part. Upgrading your SD card won't make a huge difference in your phone if you don't use apps that read/write to the SD card a lot.
However, when they released the N1 and OS 2.1 (which the head of HTC has said will be coming to the Eris), they also said they'd eventually be updating Android to allow you to store and run apps directly off the SD card (freeing up internal memory). So if/when that happens, a faster card will come in very handy. (Also, if/when we get root access to the phone, you'll be able to do the same thing, again making a faster card a good idea.)
But since we have no idea when any of the above things are going to happen, there's no rush to go out and prepare for it Especially if you don't use the card often enough to notice anything as it is.
textstev, that's probably a question for erisuser1 or other authority to figure out, but as a lay user I can definitely see (now that this mod has been in place for a month) that there's a robust, consistent improvement over stock.
I've tried to do my homework in confirming that it's not some other reason I'm just not seeing, and can't come to any other conclusion.
That other users like pkopalek have seen similar gains with their Class 6 cards bodes well for the Eris community, and possibly other Android phones as well. Feels nice to contribute.
I'm sorry I must of missed something very important. I got my new Class 6 SD Card. For 15$ I'm not disappointed, and I enjoy the Adapter as well, but I haven't really noticed much speed improvement, although it isn't slow very much. However, the typing especially in Google Voice App is very slow, and not what I'm used at speeds in other apps.
Also, when you say Mod, what Mod are we talking about (will research upon posting this). Thanks.
EDIT: I want to say I do notice improvement, but not totally satisified with typing particular in google voice at the moment (lag between pressing keys)
PS2: I noticed for some reason there was NO (NOOOO!!!) heptic feedback when I pressed my 4 keys for a few seconds haha, then it went back to normal after I sleep/woke it) Yup anyway, just gibberish, going to play with it some more, maybe disable some graphic features/sound key feedback and see if that speeds up typing.
Last edited by textstev; February 3rd, 2010 at 03:58 AM.
I use no key feedback. It's a touch screen, so I'm looking at it anyway. Why do I need to make the phone think about vibrating/sounding off when I press a button? It just slows down the phone and kills the battery.
Just leave your typing on silent. It'll cut down on that lag always.
Yes, I used to have no sound, but felt it wasn't user friendly for my friends to play with. :P Well It's really only meant for me to be using so switched to no sound again.
Hehe. Thats true. Everyone is so understanding here. I like this forum and my cute small phone. Typing right from my phone while listening to Pandora actually at the moment.
Mod as in 'modification'. Eris ships with an 8GB C2.
As posted above you, be wary of who makes your C6 card; performance varies -- RiData seems to be the brand of choice.
Say your car drinks gas and seems slow. You wouldn't spend $50 on snazzy synthetic motor oil, when your spark plugs are worn out, air filter is dirty, tires are flat and there's a pallet of cinder blocks in the trunk, would you? Same with the phone -- make sure everything's in good working order before considering a modification.
Last edited by kinakomochi; February 4th, 2010 at 01:05 AM.
Just got my 16 gb series 6 micro sd card... So far I've noticed a kind of over all speed improvement, but nothing that made me *gasp* for excitement, but it feels promising. My sd card loads pics and music quicker and it just feels more "prepared" with the new card. I'll keep you guys up to date.
Got mine a few days ago. Did notice a slight speed improvement when loading pics, but only slight. Not sure if it was actually worth $40, but at least i have 16gbs for more more music and videos.
Got mine a few days ago. Did notice a slight speed improvement when loading pics, but only slight.
Same results here. I was a tad disappointed, the OP hyped it up like crazy :P
The write speed, however, is MUCH faster [over USB], and syncing music via DoubleTwist is pretty speedy now.
Shooting pictures with the camera could still use a kick in the pants, but at least it doesn't feel like molasses anymore. I think this may be CPU bottlenecked as opposed to SD card now.
However, prior to the SD card being upgraded, I had already dumped the HTC keyboard and gotten rid of my task manager, so the phone was already pretty smooth before it.
*shrug*
There's an improvement, just not sure if it was worth the money. But oh well, improvement's always good.
"patiently" waiting for my RiData Lightning series 8gig class 6. very cheap from newegg. i only see myself storing new music on my phone - i have a zune that i hook up to a fm transmitter for my car.
bought the faster card for the camara save speed and the few other things...5mega pixels is great for everyday type photos, if i was a photographer - yea i'd grab my 5 year old panasonic video camara/still camara combo and go...but i'm not. i like to take pics with my phone an share them easily. thanks to OP and others in this thread for the info...i'll update with my findings ONCE IT ARRIVES!! grr.
should be getting my 16 gig class 6 ridata card from newegg today. Seems I may have gotten the last one as neweggs supply seemed to run out after I ordered it! Darn you guys buyin em all up or something? Anyways, hope this card gives me a good replacement for my ipod touch (8 gigs just isnt enough for all my mp3s darn it lol)
Same results here. I was a tad disappointed, the OP hyped it up like crazy :P
The write speed, however, is MUCH faster [over USB], and syncing music via DoubleTwist is pretty speedy now.
Shooting pictures with the camera could still use a kick in the pants, but at least it doesn't feel like molasses anymore. I think this may be CPU bottlenecked as opposed to SD card now.
However, prior to the SD card being upgraded, I had already dumped the HTC keyboard and gotten rid of my task manager, so the phone was already pretty smooth before it.
*shrug*
There's an improvement, just not sure if it was worth the money. But oh well, improvement's always good.
Sorry to get off topic but which keyboard did you go with
Whenever I try to copy any files I keep getting crc errors within windows xp...is this a bad memory card I receieved? I was able to copy a few ringtones but my mp3s and such do not seem to want to copy over. Any ideas? Ridata class 6 memory card from newegg.
Whenever I try to copy any files I keep getting crc errors within windows xp...is this a bad memory card I receieved? I was able to copy a few ringtones but my mp3s and such do not seem to want to copy over. Any ideas? Ridata class 6 memory card from newegg.
not sure. i got my ridata from newegg a few days ago and didn't have any problems copying everything on the old card to my computer and then onto the new card.
Last edited by smittythepig; February 6th, 2010 at 04:07 PM.
Phil, all I can say is the difference *to me* was well worth it. I have no idea what your expectations were, or how much cash you have to play with, or the relationship between the two.
I thought I was very measured with my conclusion, esp since others have found even more improvement for cheaper with a RiData. And I should point out that my card is a TOPRAM 16GB C6, and yours is an A DATA 4GB C6. A proper numbers comparison would be your Eris with the same card or the RiData, against your old C2. As mentioned before, speed varies brand to brand, and the loadout of your capacity will also affect speed, if its close to full, like HDDs in PCs.
I got my Eris Jan 9, 2010. Are they still using class 2 cards in all the phones they're selling now or is there a chance I might've gotten a higher class? I'm too lazy to undo my case, unmount, and look
I got my Eris Jan 9, 2010. Are they still using class 2 cards in all the phones they're selling now or is there a chance I might've gotten a higher class? I'm too lazy to undo my case, unmount, and look
Lol I answered my own question. It's a class 2. I'm definitely gonna look into a class 6. Is that the best? Or atleast adequate jump from 2
I've found that you can cut down about a second of lag time between taking pics by quickly tapping the green shutter button on the right side immediately after taking a pic. (edit: I just experimented with this again and it's actually more like 2 or 3 seconds!)
The only other lag I experience on the Eris is when switching between portrait and landscape modes. The screen will darken momentarily and then the switch will occur. Any ideas how to improve that?
With that said, if I decide to stick with the Eris, and not go over to the N1, I'm going to get one of these class 6 cards. Nice research people! I might get one anyway if I can determine for certain that it will also work in the N1.
Last edited by zenman; February 6th, 2010 at 11:05 PM.
I've found that you can cut down about a second of lag time between taking pics by quickly tapping the green shutter button on the right side immediately after taking a pic.
Settings -> Review After Capture (uncheck)
It'll save and then go straight back to being able to shoot.
you may have really stumbled onto something, maybe this is why people on the hero forum are complaining about the stock speed while others are all "my stock hero flies idk what your talkin about" this would be something very interesting to have a laggit side by side study done for
Hey all.
I have a MotoDroid...so I can't really add to any performance increases/decreases some of you have mentioned. Didn't want to start a new thread so I figured I'd ask if any of you saw any 32gb Class 6 cards available while searching. I have the 16gb that came with the phone and it is only Class 2. I searched the internet a bit for info regarding the specs of the new 32gb cards supposedly coming out soon (if not already) and couldn't really find anything on what the classes/ratings were. I'm sure they will be a bit pricey, but performance and storage is what I need.
I would be interested to see if a Class 6 will help anything out with my phone as well.
TIA.
The only other lag I experience on the Eris is when switching between portrait and landscape modes. The screen will darken momentarily and then the switch will occur. Any ideas how to improve that?
With that said, if I decide to stick with the Eris, and not go over to the N1, I'm going to get one of these class 6 cards. Nice research people! I might get one anyway if I can determine for certain that it will also work in the N1.
Zenman -- download Spare Parts, and set the settings for Window Animations and Transition Animations to 'Fast'. I'd also toggle off Fancy Input Animations. All three yielded tangible response gains when going P<->L, or moving between screens (needing to choose a bookmark, for example).
I'd hold off on Nexus One, for a while longer... Google and HTC are still struggling with it. But I'd go with a RiData C6 card, if any. I chose a 16GB size, chiefly since my present loadout (songs, clips) was already taxing an 8GB... and I have the feeling that's even more likely if you root an N1.
Last edited by kinakomochi; February 6th, 2010 at 11:59 PM.
It's logical, in the sense that you're not touching any of the phone's internal memory, so only apps that store their cache or otherwise utilize the SD card's space will see benefit.
That, and the fact that the read speed of my new card is only 1 MB/s faster than my old one. (The write speed is 6-8 MB/s faster.)
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