One more point about why cost shouldn't be a factor when using between the N1 and Eris... Total cost of ownership over the course of two years is going to be between 2 or 3 thousand dollars, depending on your plan. More if you keep the phone for more than 2 years of course. Now if you were picking between two cars, one was $2300 and the other was $2500, would the cost really be a big factor in your decision? Sure, if the cars were almost equal, it would be a factor. But if one of the cars went twice as fast AND got better mileage, the $200 difference would be meaningless, you'd pick the faster/better mileage car. Anyway, I'm still undecided on whether I'll get the N1 when it comes out, but cost won't be a factor. (This argument is assuming the N1 on Verizon will be sold similar to how it's being sold on Tmobile, $179 w/ two year plan. Now if I had to pay the full $500+ for the N1, now money starts to be a factor, for me at least. )
Absolutely correct, assuming VZW doesn't restrict the plan options in the way T-mobile did. Over there, that $179 price is only for new accounts, and it requires an $80/month phone plan ... probably a major reason the N1's sales haven't been stronger.
Absolutely correct, assuming VZW doesn't restrict the plan options in the way T-mobile did. Over there, that $179 price is only for new accounts, and it requires an $80/month phone plan ... probably a major reason the N1's sales haven't been stronger.
Google's strategy on the N1 is interesting.. there's even an offering on the order page for two carriers that don't have it yet but will have it in the near future.
T-Mobile is the big weakness in the whole thing, in my opinion, and makes me wonder why they selected them as the inaugural outfit for their device.
Yeah ... it almost looks like Google was expecting people to swoon over the Nexus with the same fervor that they did over the original iPhone back in the day, to the point where they'd do anything to get one. Definitely didn't happen!
Hmm, good point. Any idea how much people who are already tmobile customers have to pay? The N1 site says they may qualify for an upgrade pricing deal.
Luckily I'm already due for my 'new every 2'. The Eris I'm using is from my brother who couldn't get used to the keyboard. He has so many phones on his plan that I'm able to use this month to month.
Hmm, good point. Any idea how much people who are already tmobile customers have to pay? The N1 site says they may qualify for an upgrade pricing deal.
$279, if you're at the end of your current T-Mobile contract ... and of course, if you're still in your contract term, there's no discount. Not the greatest deal -- most of those people would be better off just buying at retail.
And I re-upped my contract by getting an Eris, so probably no N1 for me. Could have done much worse than the Eris, though ...
$279 w/ two year contract? Yikes. I bet already existing tmobile customers feel burned.
My theory on why google gave it to tmobile is that they're trying to level the playing field with all the carriers, so they gave it to the weakest of the weak first.
I've heard that some pissed-off T-Mobile customers were getting around the price by adding a second line for their N1, then canceling their original line and porting the number over. Whatever works, I guess.
And yeah, giving the N1 first to T-Mobile was just weird. Obviously they wouldn't have struck a deal with AT&T, but signing on with Verizon seems like such an obvious choice.
And yeah, giving the N1 first to T-Mobile was just weird. Obviously they wouldn't have struck a deal with AT&T, but signing on with Verizon seems like such an obvious choice.
I don't know for sure, but remember that T-Mobile gave an exclusive to Google and HTC for the first Android phone, the G1, in late 2008, at what I assume were decent terms for them. It could be that Google was rewarding T-Mobile for that deal last year. Given AT&T's data and voice problems with the iPhone, I'm guessing that scared Google away a bit. And, considering that the world is far bigger than the US alone, and most of the rest of the world uses GSM rather than the CDMA on Verizon (and Sprint), it made a lot of sense to use a radio that could be sold elsewhere without selling two different versions out of the gate.
Also, given the customer service issues that Google. T-Mobile and HTC had with this phone at launch, perhaps it was for the best that they chose one of the less popular networks here for launch.
Also, given the customer service issues that Google. T-Mobile and HTC had with this phone at launch, perhaps it was for the best that they chose one of the less popular networks here for launch.
True, that!
I wondered about the GSM vs. CDMA thing, too ... but now it seems like VZW is probably going to get the phone at about the same time it goes overseas, so who knows ...
My theory on why google gave it to tmobile is that they're trying to level the playing field with all the carriers, so they gave it to the weakest of the weak first.
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...given the customer service issues that Google. T-Mobile and HTC had with this phone at launch, perhaps it was for the best that they chose one of the less popular networks here for launch.
I think you guys are hitting on it. Google is a giant, and they are a giant across the board with computer users irrespective of those users' cell phone carriers. Going with T-Mobile, one of the lesser carriers (in the U.S. anyway) is smart strategy to bring them into the fold first.
ABSOLUTELY! The Eris uses a very old outdated in-order ARM 11 CPU design similar to an ancient 486 CPU while the Nexus One uses a superior out-of-order design with superior FPU similar to Pentium III cpus.
1ghz SnapDragon is 3-4 time even 5 times faster than the 528mhz ARM11 cpu the Eris uses.
Even more...
Take a look at the HTC G1 which uses the same CPU the Eris does vs Nexus One. New Nexus One Benchmark Scores
Im sorry to SHOCK you but this is the reailty of the old CPU used in the Eris and the reason why the phone is so slow. The Eris was already outdated even before it was released...I am here to help people make the correct choice and to WARN them of the horrid performance of the Eris.
What the heck are you talking about???? The style of the phones are IDENTICAL and server IDENTICAL purposes. The Eris simply has very old outdated hardware and CPU that cant keep up with the OS and apps while the Nexus One has modern and FAR superior hardware and CPU which is 3-4 times faster. Simply too funny anyone would even think that...lolz.
You're still comparing an apple to an orange.
I did my research before buying my Eris. I knew full well the processor was out of date, and knew that a Snapdragon phone was bound to come up sooner or later. I didn't feel like waiting until the Spring to get my first SmartPhone, and my LGEnv was dying on me and I needed a new phone. No, I would never switch my carrier, I'm very happy with Verizon and get a very nice discount on my family plan.
Yes, the N1 is a better phone than the Eris. Do you want a medal? Cookie, perhaps? Have fun with T-mobile, stop arguing things that shouldn't be argued.
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When the Nexus One comes out on Verizon, does anyone plan on buying it to replace their Droid Eris?
Not this puppy. Two reasons: 1. I really like my Eris, 2. I am of the opinion that subsequent updates to the Eris will bring it pretty close to N1 in certain areas.
When the Nexus One comes out on Verizon, does anyone plan on buying it to replace their Droid Eris?
i am. my wife wanted to upgrade her phone, so when they had the buy the moto droid get the eris free deal. we jumped on it. got her the moto droid and i took the eris. now my NE2 is coming up feb 18, gonna save it for the N1. i will probably end up giving the eris to my wifes younger sister. she was playing with it and she almost didnt give it back.
I did my research before buying my Eris. I knew full well the processor was out of date, and knew that a Snapdragon phone was bound to come up sooner or later. I didn't feel like waiting until the Spring to get my first SmartPhone, and my LGEnv was dying on me and I needed a new phone. No, I would never switch my carrier, I'm very happy with Verizon and get a very nice discount on my family plan.
Yes, the N1 is a better phone than the Eris. Do you want a medal? Cookie, perhaps? Have fun with T-mobile, stop arguing things that shouldn't be argued.
I have had the eris since right before Christmas as I lost my previous phone (not smart phone) at the Atlanta Airport while traveling. My contract had expired and I went to Verizon to get a BB but bought the Eris because the Motorola phone looked too big & bulky. I loved the small size and feel of the eris. I'm not sure what all the lag is about as I really don't notice it at all other than a slight delay if I turn the phone sideways to type an email or message which is no big deal. I'm actually amazed how fast it loads internet pages, (maybe that is just verizon service) as my friend who has the newest Iphone is always complaining about how slow his phone loads internet data or dropped phone calls when he travels. I also didn't want to change carries as I use my phone heavily for business and verizon service is unbeatable in that regard. The eris was also very easy to sync to my Outlook as I don't use google mail at all. The Nexus sounds like a nice phone but TMobile sounds almost as bad as AT&T. Would I switch to it this summer just to have the lastest & greatest, nah that would be silly since the eris does everything I want in a phone. When my contract comes up again the Nexus will be old news then and there will something new out there that blows the Nexus away. I just bought a new Thinkpad laptop and certainly didn't buy the newest and fastest processor which seems silly as I saved hundreds of dollars on a laptop that is better than the one I had and does everything I need.
Compared to my old phone, the eris rocks!
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this should not even be a thread on here. the nexus blows the doors off the eris. period. I messed around with an eris, and I own a nexus one. no comparison.
The compact size and physical keys categories go to the Eris.
My N1 went back to the factory (malfunctions and overall wigginess).
Thus my joy with Eris.
I do admit I could have exchanged it and carried on with the replacement for a while, and that T-Mobile sucked baseballs through garden hoses so I wanted a different carrier as well as a different phone, but getting the Eris on a whim was a great choice as it turns out; solid, reliable, fun, fast, cute.. heck, all the attributes I love in a woman.
When the Nexus One comes out on Verizon, does anyone plan on buying it to replace their Droid Eris?
I'm thinking about it, but I have a few things that will make my decision easier
A. How the Eris performs with a root and/or 2.x
B. What other phones look to be coming out at that time, if there is another Android phone that comes out that looks better I might go with that
I don't mind the $400-$500 for a new phone , I'll sell my eris for $250 so really it's only $150-$250 for the new phone .. We shall see what the future has instore . I'm very happy with my eris now, but I always like faster, bigger and better haha
You think you can get $250 for a used Eris? I'm not saying you can't, but that sounds a little high considering people can get them for free with a contract.
You think you can get $250 for a used Eris? I'm not saying you can't, but that sounds a little high considering people can get them for free with a contract.
Exactly with a contract, a lot of people don't want to have a contract so they buy there phones used or private party to save money and not sign a contract in the last 6months I've sold
LG Dare w/8gig card for $175
LG EnV VX9900 w/2gig card for $110
LG V VX9800 w/2gig card for $60
So yeah phones are still worth more then what you paid for with your 2 yr contract
I see the used eris going for anywhere between $225-350 right now
Exactly with a contract, a lot of people don't want to have a contract so they buy there phones used or private party to save money and not sign a contract in the last 6months I've sold
LG Dare w/8gig card for $175
LG EnV VX9900 w/2gig card for $110
LG V VX9800 w/2gig card for $60
So yeah phones are still worth more then what you paid for with your 2 yr contract
I see the used eris going for anywhere between $225-350 right now
i sold my omnia for $175!
like who is the dummy paying that!
that wasnt nice...
i sold my omnia for $175!
like who is the dummy paying that!
that wasnt nice...
I just throw my stuff on Craigslist, I usually price it a bit high so there is room to barter, but sometimes people will just pay the asking price with out any haggeling ??? Go Figure
You think you can get $250 for a used Eris? I'm not saying you can't, but that sounds a little high considering people can get them for free with a contract.
Without a contract, they are $470 new, so anybody with an Eris that fell in a puddle may be looking for a used one at that price.
Exactly with a contract, a lot of people don't want to have a contract so they buy there phones used or private party to save money and not sign a contract in the last 6months I've sold
LG Dare w/8gig card for $175
LG EnV VX9900 w/2gig card for $110
LG V VX9800 w/2gig card for $60
So yeah phones are still worth more then what you paid for with your 2 yr contract
I see the used eris going for anywhere between $225-350 right now
I have seen the same on Ebay. Have my old LG Dare on there now and expect to get upwards of $150 for it! I also just got my $100 rebate, so really I could spend $400-$500 on the "next best" phone. But I wouldn't get the N1, I don't want the hassle of no VZW customer service and extra ETF's! I would get the HTC Incredible. But I really do love my Eris, its just the right size and the performance is fine for me. I traded in the Moto droid and really don't notice much less in the performance area. Kind of miss that big beautiful screen, but with a bigger screen comes a bigger phone...
I don't want the hassle of no VZW customer service and extra ETF's!
We don't know what will happen when there is a Nexus One with VZW service, but the extra ETF that you refer to with T-Mobile is only if you return a subsidized phone to Google within 120 days. After 120 days, there is no ERF (equipment recovery fee), and Google just lowered that to $150, FWIW.
I'm holding out for the nexus one on Verizon. Initially I thought the Eris was the one for me, but the lack of a flash on the camera and the poor battery life has put me off. The N1 seems to be better in almost every way and will replace all the gadgets I usually have to carry around. I hope they have it in the verizon stores so I can see how big it is before committing.
One more point about why cost shouldn't be a factor when using between the N1 and Eris... Total cost of ownership over the course of two years is going to be between 2 or 3 thousand dollars, depending on your plan. More if you keep the phone for more than 2 years of course. Now if you were picking between two cars, one was $2300 and the other was $2500, would the cost really be a big factor in your decision? Sure, if the cars were almost equal, it would be a factor. But if one of the cars went twice as fast AND got better mileage, the $200 difference would be meaningless, you'd pick the faster/better mileage car. Anyway, I'm still undecided on whether I'll get the N1 when it comes out, but cost won't be a factor. (This argument is assuming the N1 on Verizon will be sold similar to how it's being sold on Tmobile, $179 w/ two year plan. Now if I had to pay the full $500+ for the N1, now money starts to be a factor, for me at least. )
For some, $200 is gas for a month, maybe more. The Droid is still $199, maybe $179 at some places. The Eris can be had for free, $50 (Dell) or $79.99 (VZW).
Also, those numbers you put up can be even lower if someone goes for the requisite data plan, and then a $39.99 Talk plan. Still, $70 a month, but a lot less than the $100 my plan is with 450 Nationwide and Data.
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I'm holding out for the nexus one on Verizon. Initially I thought the Eris was the one for me, but the lack of a flash on the camera and the poor battery life has put me off. The N1 seems to be better in almost every way and will replace all the gadgets I usually have to carry around. I hope they have it in the verizon stores so I can see how big it is before committing.
Phones aren't women. They don't gain 30 pounds in a month or two once they've got commitment from a carrier. Go to a T-Mobile store and fondle one for a bit and see how that is. VZW won't change a whole lot when it comes to them.
i work for VZW and this $350 cancellation fee or recovery fee, verizon started doing that with all thier PDA/Smart phones back in december if you buy a droid for vzw you have 30 days to return it w/ only a 35$ restock fee after that a 2 year contract is started and 350 dollar early term of contract fee is applied as for the nexus one they wouldnt change thier policies for one phone so in a word no they wont do that with the nexus from what i understand there are 3 new droids for vzw in the works one being the nexus 1 oh and VZW is owned by vodafone which is a european company so we were a international company when VZW was initialized
Phones aren't women. They don't gain 30 pounds in a month or two once they've got commitment from a carrier. Go to a T-Mobile store and fondle one for a bit and see how that is. VZW won't change a whole lot when it comes to them.
Oh, I was told they weren't actually in the stores, only online. And I walked right passed a T-mobile store yesterday!
I'll make sure I go in next time.
I would have never guessed that, from listening to some of the people here!
Take the paragraph below, for example. It's on birth control, therefore it has no periods.
It's also ranting nonsensically about something irrelevant.
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i work for VZW and this $350 cancellation fee or recovery fee, verizon started doing that with all thier PDA/Smart phones back in december if you buy a droid for vzw you have 30 days to return it w/ only a 35$ restock fee after that a 2 year contract is started and 350 dollar early term of contract fee is applied as for the nexus one they wouldnt change thier policies for one phone so in a word no they wont do that with the nexus from what i understand there are 3 new droids for vzw in the works one being the nexus 1 oh and VZW is owned by vodafone which is a european company so we were a international company when VZW was initialized
With comments like that smacky, I doubt you will have to worry about it.
Wooowwww.
.... And fwiw, I wouldn't put it past the n1 to be much harder to root when it comes to Verizon. Just saying. In case anyone was hoping to throw Sense on there, or an HTC Invincible or other Sense/2.1 ROM.
.... And fwiw, I wouldn't put it past the n1 to be much harder to root when it comes to Verizon. Just saying. In case anyone was hoping to throw Sense on there, or an HTC Invincible or other Sense/2.1 ROM.
I purchased an HTC Droid Eris last week and got my fiance one as well (2 for 1), she absolutely loves it, and I do too. In fact, i spent a week debating over the Moto Droid vs Eris and even spent 3 hours in the store playing with them both before making the final decision.
For starters, my decision to go with the Eris was almost solely because i did not care for the extra size/weight due to the keyboard. I didnt actually mind the size/weight per se, it's just i didnt want to have to deal with it for something i didnt like or would use. Everything else about the Moto Droid, however, was more "my" style than the Eris (Nicer screen, faster cpu, Android 2.1, and even the lack of sense was fine, as i knew the Moto Droid could be rooted and tweaked to my liking).
So off i went. Over the last week i've been playing with this phone to no end, messing with every setting, app and tweaking to my hearts desire. I've been awed by the sheer coolness of Android. Even the virtual keyboard is something that i'm warming up to (coming from a BBerry Curve this was to be my biggest challenge). Of course, there are some things, as with anything, that i'm just having a hard time adjusting too, is missing, or just plain don't like about the Phone/OS. Most of that has to do with the productivity portion (mail and phone apps specifically) but i'll save those for another thread, as i'm really only here to talk about the Hardware, as all the OS's will be up to 2.0/2.1 soon and will all be dealing with the same issues.
Moving on, the part of the hardware that i just can't deal with is the battery life. Despite my daily attempts to tweak this phone down to it's bare minimal features to get me mail, calls and txts, I can BARELY get through the day w/ minimal use. Again, another entire thread, but trust me, i've tried just about everything, and then some.
I realize there is an extended battery, and 2.1 coming, both of these things could dramatically improve the battery life for me and make me a happier Eris owner, but....enter the Nexus One to Verizon.
Why settle? Well, before i decided that this was the end-all be-all solution for me (until the Nexus II comes out or something) i wanted to first make a Pros/Cons list for both phones and go from there.... This is MY Pros/Cons list, yours may differ:
Nexus One
Pros:
- Larger, Gorgous High Res 800x480 AMOLED Screen (Better on Battery life)
- Faster CPU (1Gz SnapDragon)
- More RAM (512 MB)
- Camera Flash
- All of this means more "future proof" - if we can use that term in mobile tech...
- Cooler (to me) - After all, it did win the CNet Prize fight vs the iPhone..heh.
Cons:
- Larger Form Factor - but slim enough to still be pocketable
- No Call/End Buttons - I could get used to this?
- Have to wait - Ugh.
- Less community support/accessories and 800x480 res Apps - initially
- Possible Verizon Lockdown of features?
HTC Droid Eris:
Pros:
- Smaller Form Factor
- More Compatible Apps/Accessories/Etc due to earlier release into mainstream market
- Don't have to wait
- Hard Call/End Buttons
Cons:
- Smaller (3.2") Lower Res 320x480 TFT LCD Screen (Battery Suck?)
- Awful Battery Life
- Older, Slower CPU (528 mhz)
- Less Internal RAM (288 MB)
- No Camera flash
Also, for me, i'll have to buy new Micro USB stuff (Extra Charger, Car Charger, etc) as I already had all that junk for my BBerry to work on my Eris, but not a deal breaker.
So, really, the only tangible, negative mark ont he N1 is that it has no hard call/end buttons which i've DEFINITELY become accustomed to, i think it's made the transition from BBerry to a touch screen phone much easier.
So, i'm waiting till the last minute to return my Eris and go back the Curve until the Nexus One comes out. And, i won't pepper this thread with unanswerable questions like "when is it coming out, will it be in stores right away, how much will it cost, etc, etc). Because it doesnt matter. Verizon WILL have it, soon, and the cost will NOT be a dealbreaker for me (although a Free Eris is nice).
Well, hopefully i've helped someone make their decision a little easier. We've boiled it down to the fact that both are great phones and you should be very happy with either one as they both fit different needs (My fiance LOVES her Eris, and she ALWAYS wants the coolest stuff out there).
I'll miss the Eris, but i'm sure once i get my hands on the Nexus..it'll all just fade awayyyy.... (until i try to make a call with the absent call button
no phone is perfect.
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The last couple of days, I have been downloading lots of cool Apps and customizing my Droid Eris. The Droid Eris is a very capable phone. The only thing I dislike about my Droid Eris is the lack of a camera flash and a crappy/grainy camera where the Nexus One is far superior in this field. But that's what a digital camera is for right?
The HTC Droid Eris launched for Verizon Wireless on November 6th in part as the carrier's first Android Phone. However it was overshadowed by the other member of the inaugural Verizon Droid duo - the Motorola Droid. The Droid Eris might look fa... Read More
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Could have done much worse than the Eris, though ...
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