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Old February 20th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello, I have had the Eris for a few months now, It is my first smart phone and somedays I love it and some days I want to throw in against a wall . I have been going threw the threads for some time now and I and I'm getting totally confused. I keep reading about this ROOTING. What is rooting a phone??? can you do it and still use the 2.0 upgrade??? Or being a novice at the smart phone thing should I even think about it? I mean I got the Eris for a Phone,all the extras are great and i like to fiddle around with them, but I dont want to get in over my head with this rooting thing unless the benifits of it out way the trouble. so can someone explain in laymen terms about this ROOTING?
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http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-eris/45242-rooting-q.html

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another pointless thread that could been answered by a little searching......i just dont get it. Is it that hard?
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another pointless thread that could been answered by a little searching......i just dont get it. Is it that hard?
+1 its getting a little ridiculous
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another pointless thread that could been answered by a little searching......i just dont get it. Is it that hard?
So why did you reply to it?
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So why did you reply to it?
Well obviously to make the fact known.
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Obviously to keep pointless threads topped.

edit: (which is just as pointless)
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+1 its getting a little ridiculous
thats for sure, I feel that search button is GREATLY underused
i wonder if I make a thread about people NEW TO POSTING ON AF if the mods will sticky it?

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It won't matter. This is something that happens on every message board. You can post as many warnings and stickies as you want. It won't change anything. The best answer is to ignore the thread.

Does anyone actually believe they will stop pointless threads from being made? If so, you deserve the Nobel Peace Prize and should be sent to the middle east, asap, to negotiate a peace deal.
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It won't matter. This is something that happens on every message board. You can post as many warnings and stickies as you want. It won't change anything. The best answer is to ignore the thread.

Does anyone actually believe they will stop pointless threads from being made? If so, you deserve the Nobel Peace Prize and should be sent to the middle east, asap, to negotiate a peace deal.
*Wonders how Obama got one and did none of the above*
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*wonders how obama got one and did none of the above*
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I'm apart of some other forums and there usually always is a read before posting thread. Almost all of them say the same thing, use SEARCH, most things have been covered, be respectful, don't make pointless threads etc etc.
I actually had the same idea for one of my automobile related forums and it got stickied and useless threads actually went down. If there was a way to make new users read such a thread before posting it could help "cut the fat" if you catch my drift.
Its just an idea, it couldn't hurt
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I'm apart of some other forums and there usually always is a read before posting thread. Almost all of them say the same thing, use SEARCH, most things have been covered, be respectful, don't make pointless threads etc etc.
I actually had the same idea for one of my automobile related forums and it got stickied and useless threads actually went down. If there was a way to make new users read such a thread before posting it could help "cut the fat" if you catch my drift.
Its just an idea, it couldn't hurt
I dont think it'l work unless you start enforcing the ban hammer on redundant threads
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I dont think it'l work unless you start enforcing the ban hammer on redundant threads
Exactly. Then if you start hammering on people who do this (with their first post, btw), you definitely won't have many new people coming around and this place will get a reputation.
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One solution would be to not allow a user to make a new thread until they have a minimum number of posts in existing threads.
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we don't need to throw the hammer at anyone. If a thread is redundant the mods can lock it and send a PM to the user stating that the topic has been covered recently and to use the search function.
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we don't need to throw the hammer at anyone. If a thread is redundant the mods can lock it and send a PM to the user stating that the topic has been covered recently and to use the search function.
Could also just add that into your sticky theory, just a fair warning that threads would be locked if questions they ask have already been answered elsewhere in other threads.
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yea exactly. With Root and 2.1 threads have been popping up left and right. Everything has been covered and there are even dedicated threads to both.
Beside PMing the Mods, theres got to be a way of getting this idea out
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I think people in general are just a bit too lazy when it comes to looking for the answers they crave, so they would rather just start their own thread and ask their own questions in hopes that someone will cater to their needs.
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I try not to post in these redundant threads, hoping no one else will either. If people stop replying, the thread wont have any posts and will drop quickly. We dont need to respond with "this is redundant", just dont respond at all.

I have said my peace, and wont be posting in this or any other redundant threads anymore.
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All of you bitching need to read the 'zero tolerance' thread linked in the announcement thread at the top of the page.

This forum is attempting to be THE source for Android news and advice. You're GOING to see repeat threads. Try being helpful and welcoming, maybe foster a sense of community, instead of playing pile-on-the-newbie.
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I was about to post a link to the mentioned thread....

Matter of fact, here it is

Zero Tolerance Policy (ALL MEMBERS READ)

Since that thread obviously doesn't prevent "veteran members" from violating that simple rule, then all their suggestions would likely fare even worse....
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i think it's a little rude to come down hard on somebody for posting redundant threads...
i know I am a little guilty of it as well but the thing I hate and love about android forums
is that

you can ask a question and then the thread itself goes completely WAY OFF TOPIC and it's annoying to have to sift through 20 pages of a thread asking about your questions and people are talking about their plans for spring break(I love it because it allows you to get to know ppl)

but if ppl are like me...it's easier to just post the question again and hope to get a decent answer to help you out with your question....and i like how some ppl just re-direct the person to the link or some are just polite enough to "repeat" something they said in a previous thread....

i will admit the 2.0/2.1 threads are annoying but i mean from what i read in this thread, some of the responses don't make new comers want to ask questions...

I hate asking questions in the real world...because in the real world, people act the same way when something has already been explained before

and i am starting to hate questions now because for a news/help forum i've seen a lot of rude comments that are unnecessary...

if you don't like it or it's "redundant"...ignore it...you're only giving the thread attention when you post on it...

if you don't post...they(we) will have to search....

i'm 17 and i already got this logic...but i guess it's easier for others to complain

anyways...i've gotten my sunday morning rant out and this isn't meant to start some kind of forums war...

i figured everybody else spoke their peace so i should too
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Some asshole replies here. Simply point the new person in the right direction.
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Thanks Joetarin and carmencrishnaya, the rest of the thread police can go hell.(tyring to keep it clean on your precious thread board) Sorry if you all were inconvienced for a minute but you know what? I did look . you try searching for threads while 3 kids all under the age 0f 6 are pulling you three different ways. obviously you all have no kids or just ignore them. but if was refreshing to see how you (except joe and carmencrishnaya)all took the time to to bash me instead of just telling me were to find the info.I cant wait to ask another dumb ass question. If you cant help me just dont reply. sorry to ramble on but I was curious if any of the replyers would take the time out of their precious day to actually read the whole thing.
But Joe the thanks again for the link.
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Carmen ask away, I'm sure there are some decent people here with some patience who will help.
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I have three kids and read through some stuff before posting. THat being said the best way to deter repeat threads is to post a couple links and mention you found them using search. Most get the hint and don't think your a tool and may even come backk and contribute later. We were all newbies at one point.
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Really --- how about if one of the regulars/experts simply posts that the question has been covered in other threads, and - to be helpful if you have time - suggest a search term or keyword that will yield some relevant results. A cut and paste answer might even work in many cases. No need to be rude and demeaning - even if that's what you are thinking! I understand the frustration, but some answers are not friendly.

I love this forum and read it daily. I've learned so much about how to get the most from my Eris. However, I hesitate to start a post because I suspect that somewhere, buried in all of the threads, my question has been answered, and people will come down on me. If I can't find the answer to my question after searching a few keywords in a reasonable amount of time, I would like to post my question. Is this reasonable? It seems it depends on who reads the question.
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Come on guys, we were all new once. Not everyone is familiar with forum life and sometimes if you don't use the right terms the search won't give you what you want. This is supposed to be a friendly and helpful environment for everyone, not just for tech heads.
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Come on guys, we were all new once. Not everyone is familiar with forum life and sometimes if you don't use the right terms the search won't give you what you want. This is supposed to be a friendly and helpful environment for everyone, not just for tech heads.
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If you're going to reply, give him the answer and then tell him to use the search next time. You act like he's wasting YOUR precious time asking a question on a message board. You're the one wasting your own time.

Who cares if there's 100 of the same topic? IT isn't like the board breaks after so many duplicate topics are made. People want personal answers for their specific question and situation.

Yes all the answers are somewhere on the internet and in some cases here on this board. The only thing that makes this place different from a website where you can't talk to anyone is the fact someone can post a topic asking a question. If you assholes try to take that away we might as well just shut down the ability to post topics by anyone but caddyman and that way everyone can just search for their answers.
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Elitist attitudes can ruin a forum. Although given the amount of 2.0 and root threads we have here, a quick search would have eliminated the need to start yet another one. Welcome to the forum Chrli3. Don't let what someone else says about your post upset you. Remember tone and inflection don't always translate that well to text so try not to take what anyone says personally. Also note that some of the frustrations expressed here are not entirely directed at you. Its honestly a great forum, and its the absolute best forum for the Eris. We were all noobs once, and like OTD said, not every is that familiar with forum life.
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Lol so much for not keeping this thread up at the top! By the way I just joined last night, glad to meet you all.
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Thanks Joetarin and carmencrishnaya, the rest of the thread police can go hell.(tyring to keep it clean on your precious thread board) Sorry if you all were inconvienced for a minute but you know what? I did look . you try searching for threads while 3 kids all under the age 0f 6 are pulling you three different ways. obviously you all have no kids or just ignore them. but if was refreshing to see how you (except joe and carmencrishnaya)all took the time to to bash me instead of just telling me were to find the info.I cant wait to ask another dumb ass question. If you cant help me just dont reply. sorry to ramble on but I was curious if any of the replyers would take the time out of their precious day to actually read the whole thing.
But Joe the thanks again for the link.
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LOL Welcome to Android Forums :-) Not everyone here is a jerk. There are a bunch of us who are willing to help with what we can. But yeah we've all done it, maybe not realized there was another topic started somewhere and accidently asked again... While othere just don't feel like searching.
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So was there an answer to the OP's question? I'd like to know as well.
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So was there an answer to the OP's question? I'd like to know as well.
I'll explain as best I can, although I'm far from an expert and you should probably read the link in the second post, and then poke around the Root subforum up at the top of the page to confirm/learn more.

"Root" or "rooting" your phone means that you have access to the base level coding of the phone's operating system and can adjust it as you see fit. For most average users (and some advanced ones) this is pointless because unless you're willing to tinker with actual source code and have a firm background in coding, there's really nothing that you can actually do. There are members of this forum, and others, who have been trying for some time to gain access to the Eris 1.5 OS's root functions through various exploits and loopholes. (Let's just call it "hacking" for simplicities sake.) Once they're successful in gaining access to the root level of the phone, other coders can use that "hack" to modify the phone's code settings at will and make modified/tweaked versions of the phone's native OS that will run things more efficiently. (These modified versions of the OS are called "roms" and are best described as software that would replace your existing OS, which on the Eris is the 1.5 version of the Android platform for HTC.)

2.0 or 2.1 is the next iteration of the stock (unaltered) version of Android that is rumored to be coming to HTC handsets (including the Eris) in the next few weeks or so. It will offer some upgrades and tweaks, but more than likely nothing as in depth or fine-tuned as a rom that is running on a phone that has been rooted. For the record, the current Eris rooting efforts are all focused on exploits and hacks that will work with the 1.5 version of the OS that we currently have access to. There's no telling whether or not the 2.1 update will close those loopholes or not, but there's a real possibility that updating to 2.1 will mean that rooting your phone won't be possible. Having said that, if you have a rooted phone, there will more than likely eventually be modified 2.1 OS rom's available at some point that will allow those with rooted phones to enjoy the features that 2.1 provides. To summarize, updating to 2.1 COULD mean rooting won't be possible. (Won't know until we get both root and our 2.1 update.) Rooting a phone running 1.5 PROBABLY won't exclude you from the tweaks and updates that 2.1 will provide. Again, kind of a wait-and-see scenario there.

As for how easy it is/will be to root your phone once we have the know how to accomplish such things, I have no practical experience, so no real clue. I'm assuming it will be a somewhat dicey, but relatively easy procedure to complete. Something akin to reflashing your mobo BIOS to an updated version or updating your router's firmware. It is a technically iffy process, with the potential to kill your hardware if you screw up, but should work fine as long as you follow the detailed step-by-step instructions exactly as detailed. (Again, those instructions don't exist, yet, because we don't know how but eventually we'll be able to get our mitts on them.)

I hope this helps somewhat. It's the issues as best as I can see and explain them. I may be completely off base on a few points, but expect that if I am, I'll be corrected in short order.
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Come on guys, we were all new once. Not everyone is familiar with forum life and sometimes if you don't use the right terms the search won't give you what you want. This is supposed to be a friendly and helpful environment for everyone, not just for tech heads.
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It won't matter. This is something that happens on every message board. You can post as many warnings and stickies as you want. It won't change anything. The best answer is to ignore the thread


Must be a lot of message forum newbies around, including the ones who think people will search. As you say, no amount of stickies, FAQs, etc will make a difference. Repeating what you said, IGNORE threads and maybe, just maybe, that will FORCE the poster to make add'l efforts.
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I wish more people had this philosophy.
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I'll tell you this much. If n00bs continue to break guidelines similar to the ways in which frequent contributors do, the veterans will leave and this forum will turn to sh*ts.

If veterans are expected to be "courteous", then new members are expected to search or make an attempt to find the answer themselves. A forum with 90 unanswered threads on 2.1 is no good either.

If you want premium users, I'm not going to pay $40 a year to ignore threads and get pissed off when someone asks the same question for the umpteenth time. Then I'm fine the way it is and I can go on hiatus for weeks at a time like many (relatively) long-time members have. Caddyman and the few others can keep this forum alive constantly answering the same questions over and over again. I can't.
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I'll tell you this much. If n00bs continue to break guidelines similar to the ways in which frequent contributors do, the veterans will leave and this forum will turn to sh*ts.

If veterans are expected to be "courteous", then new members are expected to search or make an attempt to find the answer themselves. A forum with 90 unanswered threads on 2.1 is no good either.

If you want premium users, I'm not going to pay $40 a year to ignore threads and get pissed off when someone asks the same question for the umpteenth time. Then I'm fine the way it is and I can go on hiatus for weeks at a time like many (relatively) long-time members have. Caddyman and the few others can keep this forum alive constantly answering the same questions over and over again. I can't.
I'm just a noob but I know enough when I read comments like yours that there are some who apparently feel superior and have no conscience when it comes to continuing the very thread you are complaining about.
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I'm just a noob but I know enough when I read comments like yours that there are some who apparently feel superior and have no conscience when it comes to continuing the very thread you are complaining about.

Sure, when attempting to prove who has a bigger dick, why not do it on a phone forum?

I was stating my opinion, shh, so shh for a little bit and check when the last time I was on here was. You'll understand where, what, and why my first was where it was.
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smacky your getting a little ahead of yourself there. i ignore things that irk me too, all the 2.1 threads make we want to flambe kittens, but it is easy to ignore them, really it doesnt bother me at all.....relax there tiger.
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Wow, one very simple question, tens of whingers bleating on about wasting space. Ironic?
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