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Google pretty much didn't have a choice about leaving China, them being a soverign nation and all. But at least they stood up to them and said they weren't gonna change a damn thing. Not even the U.S. gov't stands up to China anymore.
And then that great big green lizard with radioactive breath trounced their cities right? Man I have to start paying attention to the news...
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The power of HTC and Google teaming up together against Apple would be a great fight. I'd love to see Google stand up and join HTC in Bitch-Smacking Mr. Steve Jobs. And u can bet Bill Gates will join in if he thinks there is a chance of beating Apple at anything. I'm tired of seeing Apple set the rules for all cell manufactures world-wide.
MY initial reaction is that Apple is making a mistake by filing lawsuits here. So far their competitors have been Bill Gatesing the iPhone, which only promotes stagnation among Apple's competitors. This isn't the same world it was when Microsoft nearly destroyed Macintosh by emulating their products.
What I would expect to come from this is the following:
1, a lot of press for Apple (which I suspect is their real goal) as well as HTC and Google.
2, following the old saying that necessity is the mother of invention, Apple's competitors, no longer willing and or able to openly copy Apple, will come up with better ways of doing things.
3, Apple will then be forced to work harder to compete, and so on.
4, flying cars.
So, I say we cheer Apple on. This will probably end up benefiting end users before too long.
im torn...i think this will make itards head bigger with that "everyone trying to make a knock-off iphone" thing. they look at the body of the phone i look at the os. as a business man...u have to use leverage at times with your competition. particularly if u feel they are making "knock offs" of your product. TBD, i cant hate apple for doing it...but i will hate them if they interfere with my HTC droids shipping state side!
which looks inevitable...so FU apple!
I don't understand what this whole battle between iPhone and Android is. I've owned both and like them equally. IMO, the only thing my Eris does better is customization/personalization. I've had my Eris freeze more times in my few months of ownership than I have had my first gen iPhone. I got it when It first came out and have had it jailbroken/unlocked.
Since Google and Apple are my two favorite tech companies this is definitely a painful domestic dispute for me. I'm afraid to plug my phone into my MBP because I'm afraid a software update will cause one to eat the other!
Although, you've gotta admit that the HTC Legend has ripped off Apple style in a HUGE way... which is exactly why I want one.
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The ONLY thing I hate about BB and iPhone is that they used to be really expensive phones. Kind of like a status thing. Now they're so cheap anyone can buy them. Android users is still relatively small. I hope it stays that way.
The ONLY thing I hate about BB and iPhone is that they used to be really expensive phones. Kind of like a status thing. Now they're so cheap anyone can buy them. Android users is still relatively small. I hope it stays that way.
Why would you want that? More users means more development, more updates, more features, more apps and better phones. I would buy one for everyone I ever meet if I could afford it.
Because I hate seeing people with phones who know absolutely nothing about them. I deal with people like that all the time. If people are genuinely interested in the phone they should buy it. That's how the iPhone used to be. It was more for business people and and people interested in the way the phone works and etc. The BlackBerry also used to be that way minus the hackers part. Now it's just like "Hey, I have an iPhone. I'm so cool. But I know crap about it." It's really annoying.
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Why would you want that? More users means more development, more updates, more features, more apps and better phones. I would buy one for everyone I ever meet if I could afford it.
I agree. A big reason I bought an Eris is that it has the word Droid in its name. With the attention the real Droid was (is still getting), I figured it would be popular and be supported by the maker and developers.
Turns out I was pretty right. WE're anticipating our third OTA update already, and the programming language is still pretty popular alternative to those who either don't want or can't practically get an iPhone.
The admittedly dishonest name this phone was given was a clever marketing move, illustrating that under- handed popularity often leads to well deserved notoriety.
If this phone wasn't selling well, we wouldn't have 2.1 to enjoy or look forward to, for one.
another side of this is...it could lead manufacturers to rush all the droid phones they have that are ready to launch out faster!
sony x10, supersonic, n1 on verizon, legend, desire, i got my eye on you!!
i know my next android phone will be the one i have for a couple years...it has to be 1ghz +...
im kind of bummed about all this to be honest.
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Because I hate seeing people with phones who know absolutely nothing about them. I deal with people like that all the time. If people are genuinely interested in the phone they should buy it. That's how the iPhone used to be. It was more for business people and and people interested in the way the phone works and etc. The BlackBerry also used to be that way minus the hackers part. Now it's just like "Hey, I have an iPhone. I'm so cool. But I know crap about it." It's really annoying.
Smartphones are becoming more and more popular with the average cell user and nothing is going to stop that. You can blame the iPhone. Personally I think it is great. The advancements that we are seeing now are due to the popularity that phones like the iPhone, curve and storm got. If only geeks used them we would all still be using palm treos and the would still be slow. We wouldn't have 3g or be waiting on 4g. You also wouldn't have music on the phone or a way to watch YouTube.
We are not the target market and we never will be. The targets are the people that can't use their phone and use very little data, but want to download useless crap and have the latest toy every few months. The cell industry makes a fortune off of that group.
I can't wait until Apple awakens the Google beast and pisses them off. Google will ensure that the iPhone is buried in less than 3 years.
i can't wait for Apple to piss off Google enough. I think people who don't really know whats going on with the Smart Phone Wars don't understand how big Google is now.
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The power of HTC and Google teaming up together against Apple would be a great fight. I'd love to see Google stand up and join HTC in Bitch-Smacking Mr. Steve Jobs. And u can bet Bill Gates will join in if he thinks there is a chance of beating Apple at anything. I'm tired of seeing Apple set the rules for all cell manufactures world-wide.
Umm if you patent it you can't steal it. Apple isn't setting any rules. So far honestly I haven't seen anything truly innovative come from Google/Android/HTC that has been original except the term "FC" almost getting as famous as the "BSOD"
Well I have to admit the SENSE UI is really nice but that is HTC not Google.
That's like Mercedes suing Ford for building four wheeled vehicles. Many (all?) of those patent complaints by Apple are very general.
Not sure if I agree with you.
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Named as exhibits in the litigation, a handful of Android and Windows Mobile devices including Google's Nexus One, the T-Mobile G1, the Droid Eris, the Touch Diamond, the Touch Pro2, and the Imagio.
Mobile phones listed as exhibits in Apple's lawsuit against HTC.
(Credit: All Things Digital)
Below, copies of that suit, which was filed with the office of the United States International Trade Commission and the United States District Court in Delaware. But first, a list of the patents at issue here:
• The '331 Patent, entitled "Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States," was duly and legally issued on April 22, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
• The '949 Patent, entitled "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics," was duly and legally issued on January 20, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '949 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit B.
• The '849 Patent, entitled "Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image," was duly and legally issued on February 2, 2010 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '849 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit C.
• The '381 Patent, entitled "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display," was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D.
• The '726 Patent, entitled "System And Method For Managing Power Conditions Within A Digital Camera Device," was duly and legally issued on July 6, 1999 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '726 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit E.
• The '076 Patent, entitled "Automated Response To And Sensing Of User Activity In Portable Devices," was duly and legally issued on December 15, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '076 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit F.
• The '105 Patent, entitled "GMSK Signal Processors For Improved Communications Capacity And Quality," was duly and legally issued on December 8, 1998 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '105 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit G.
• The '453 Patent, entitled "Conserving Power By Reducing Voltage Supplied To An Instruction-Processing Portion Of A Processor," was duly and legally issued on June 3, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '453 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit H.
• The '599 Patent, entitled "Object-Oriented Graphic System," was duly and legally issued on October 3, 1995 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '599 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit I.
• The '354 Patent, entitled "Object-Oriented Event Notification System With Listener Registration Of Both Interests And Methods," was duly and legally issued on July 23, 2002 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '354 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit J.
• The '849 Patent, entitled "Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image," was duly and legally issued on February 2, 2010 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the '849 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit C.]
Seriously?
Ok... think about this for a moment.
How else do you do anything on touchscreen, except making a gesture... it's no different than moving a mouse.
This is such an obvious thing that it should NEVER have been patented.
I think the courts are going to dismiss many of Apple's patents when this is all said and done.
And let's not forget, HTC is not without patents of it's own. I'm certain that they can find more than a few that the iPhone infringes on.
Check the date on that patent as well. It wasn't granted until 2/2/10. I believe I've had my Eris since 11/09. Is there some sort of patent protection during the application process because if not, this one should be dismissed immediately.
Hmm... a newer article provides more insight.. going both ways.. one quote that jumped out at me:
"Apple may find itself lining up too many enemies -- HTC, Motorola, Google, Microsoft -- for its own good. "Together, these companies bring to bear an impressive arsenal of IP, money, and public relations savvy, and with it the ability to administer considerable pain," Reiner said."
Some quotes in this article are in common with the originally linked article by the OP.
Because I hate seeing people with phones who know absolutely nothing about them. I deal with people like that all the time. If people are genuinely interested in the phone they should buy it. That's how the iPhone used to be. It was more for business people and and people interested in the way the phone works and etc. The BlackBerry also used to be that way minus the hackers part. Now it's just like "Hey, I have an iPhone. I'm so cool. But I know crap about it." It's really annoying.
So you only want a small group of people to use Android phones so you can feel part of something elite? So when people see your Android phone you can feel awesome for having one the same way people with iPhones do when people see they have it?
How is this any different than what you hate about iPhones?
So you only want a small group of people to use Android phones so you can feel part of something elite? So when people see your Android phone you can feel awesome for having one the same way people with iPhones do when people see they have it?
How is this any different than what you hate about iPhones?
So you only want a small group of people to use Android phones so you can feel part of something elite? So when people see your Android phone you can feel awesome for having one the same way people with iPhones do when people see they have it?
How is this any different than what you hate about iPhones?
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They are marketed to everybody.
I think Nick was referring to people having them that are not really knowledgeable about them. I don't think he has a problem with the eliteness thing with the device. I think he wants the eliteness. I think he was talking about how special everyone was that paid $600 or $800 for the first gen iPhones.
How else do you do anything on touchscreen, except making a gesture... it's no different than moving a mouse.
This is such an obvious thing that it should NEVER have been patented.
If you read the actual patent, it describes a fairly specific procedure for unlocking a device using a touch gesture, specifically describing moving a graphical image along a predefined path, with or without visual cues.
It's easy to say that this is obvious, but you can say that about just about any other patented invention, after it is invented. Things seem obvious with 20/20 hindsight.
It would actually be interesting to see if Microsoft or Symbian had any patents for touchscreen displays for moving from a lock to unlock state using a stylus, and if that would be considered prior art? I guess, though, that's why these things go to court, and one reason why we have courts.
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Check the date on that patent as well. It wasn't granted until 2/2/10. I believe I've had my Eris since 11/09. Is there some sort of patent protection during the application process because if not, this one should be dismissed immediately.
The patent application was filed in December, 2005. It was only granted in February 2010. I am sure that, at some point in the past, you have heard the phrase "patent pending". Patent applications are public, if I am not mistaken, and other inventors had the opportunity to challenge the validity, I suppose. (I wonder if the timing of the suits came when it did - that Apple needed these patents to move from pending to patented status.)
Personally, I think that patent holders have every right to protect their patents in court. The courts may very well rule that these patents are invalid, but it will take only one for Apple to prevail.
I've heard that Apple likely targeted HTC specifically because they are an easy target. They have been making phones for 13 years, but that is a short period of time, compared with any patent portfolios that a company like Motorola or Nokia may have in their far longer manufacturing history. However, this same analysis said that HTC likely has agreements with Google that state that Google will take responsibility for any alleged patent violations that involve the stock Android OS, and the unlock procedure sure sounds stock to me. I would bet that Google will be involved with this before long.
If you read the actual patent, it describes a fairly specific procedure for unlocking a device using a touch gesture, specifically describing moving a graphical image along a predefined path, with or without visual cues.
It's easy to say that this is obvious, but you can say that about just about any other patented invention, after it is invented. Things seem obvious with 20/20 hindsight.
Unlocking a touchscreen for use... is obvious. Otherwise... we would be pocket dialing, gaming, etc...
This is obvious because of the problems with non-touchscreen phones.
Doing anything with a touchscreen requires a gesture... it's how we've done things with touchscreens since they've been around.
Dragging an icon... is neither innovative, or unique.
The only thing that could be considered non-obvious is... moving along a predefined path.
Apple is using the old method of throwing as much isht as they can against a wall and hoping some of it will stick. I think many of these will be thrown out, but a few of them may stick. When the time comes, HTC/Google will have to come up with a different way to do it or pay Apple to use it. Don't know if Apple will allow that though.
Apple is using the old method of throwing as much isht as they can against a wall and hoping some of it will stick. I think many of these will be thrown out, but a few of them may stick. When the time comes, HTC/Google will have to come up with a different way to do it or pay Apple to use it. Don't know if Apple will allow that though.
probably not. the money that they would get through Google/HTC using their IP wouldnt compare to knocking Google/HTC down a few pegs and putting a serious kink in their plans to compete with the iPhone. Of course, if the patent that actually sticks is trivial, such as the gesture to unlock thing, Google would probably just say 'screw it' and put in a standard keypad - type in a number code to unlock instead of the pattern currently on there. try to sue them on THAT, you have to sue practically every phone company and security company in existence. that's not really a kink, just a vague annoyance.
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probably not. the money that they would get through Google/HTC using their IP wouldnt compare to knocking Google/HTC down a few pegs and putting a serious kink in their plans to compete with the iPhone. Of course, if the patent that actually sticks is trivial, such as the gesture to unlock thing, Google would probably just say 'screw it' and put in a standard keypad - type in a number code to unlock instead of the pattern currently on there. try to sue them on THAT, you have to sue practically every phone company and security company in existence. that's not really a kink, just a vague annoyance.
If it got to that point, we could all just download lock 2.0 or lockbot and go on with our lives.
I'm not sure what you mean. The difference is that iPhones are marketed towards everybody?
This is a case of me quoting the wrong post (I meant to quote Nick). At the time I made my "they are marketed to everybody" remark I was sitting at a table in a restaurant using my Eris to browse around the forums; I was not careful enough.
It made it look like I was trying to point out a difference, which is ironic in that I was merely pointing out to Nick that no demographic of knowledgeable users is being targeted exclusively by iPhone or anybody else for that matter.
If it got to that point, we could all just download lock 2.0 or lockbot and go on with our lives.
not quite the point i was making.
we can do that now. but google has it embedded, so whether anyone uses it or not, google is, supposedly, infringing. they'd have to remove it, if the court sides with crapple.
we can do that now. but google has it embedded, so whether anyone uses it or not, google is, supposedly, infringing. they'd have to remove it, if the court sides with crapple.
That is what I am saying though. Just because it isn't out there on the surface doesn't mean that some third part software can't bring it back to those that want it.
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Jobs is just mad because every empire he built, somebody (Gates, Google, HTC) have built a bigger better empire...He just wants to get on top! The Iphone SUCKS since droid has arrived! He is scared people will jump ship! and then to top it off he sells the Iphone to AT&T...What a MORON!!! but also glad he didnt get a chance or rather Verizon didn't take a risk and sell a SH*tty phone!!!
: I agree they are making them selves look worst trying to sue HTC!!! HTC was one of the first to market a smart phone, so hopefully they have a few patents of their sleeves!!! GO HTC AND GOOGLE!!! Chop that sour tastes like sh*t apple tree down!!!
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Jobs is just mad because every empire he built, somebody (Gates, Google, HTC) have built a bigger better empire...He just wants to get on top! The Iphone SUCKS since droid has arrived! He is scared people will jump ship! and then to top it off he sells the Iphone to AT&T...What a MORON!!! but also glad he didnt get a chance or rather Verizon didn't take a risk and sell a SH*tty phone!!!
: I agree they are making them selves look worst trying to sue HTC!!! HTC was one of the first to market a smart phone, so hopefully they have a few patents of their sleeves!!! GO HTC AND GOOGLE!!! Chop that sour tastes like sh*t apple tree down!!!
Oh. come on! iPhones don't suck. They are nice and have a good UI. ATT's network sucks, and that is why most people don't get an iPhone. I love my Eris, and it has many nice unique features. But the device is comparable to, not better than the iPhone. They both have things that they do better than the other. The only real advantage, from my point of view is the VZ network, and the open source advantage of the Android OS in the long run.
Oh. come on! iPhones don't suck. They are nice and have a good UI. ATT's network sucks, and that is why most people don't get an iPhone. I love my Eris, and it has many nice unique features. But the device is comparable to, not better than the iPhone. They both have things that they do better than the other. The only real advantage, from my point of view is the VZ network, and the open source advantage of the Android OS in the long run.
No no he is right, the iPhone sucks.
While I understand the fact that every phone has its drawbacks and/or problems (bluetooth dialing on Android comes to mind) the iPhone lacks in so many ways it is just ridiculous.
What we have here is rather like what happened in the 80's when Microsoft came out with Windows. Apple had this new graphical OS and for a while they were unique and cool, but they maintained control over both the software and the hardware. Micosoft took the best aspects of the graphical OS, and concentrated only on the software component, licensing it to any company who made the hardware that could run it, and the Windows PC was born. It took a few years for Windows to catch on, and the novelty of the Mac to wear off, but in the long run, 80% of the world's computers now run Windows.
This is not to say that Apple sucks. They still make great products, and specialize in user friendly interfaces. They have been very innovative with the iPod line and so forth, but in the long run their desire for control of the hardware always limits their market reach.
While I understand the fact that every phone has its drawbacks and/or problems (bluetooth dialing on Android comes to mind) the iPhone lacks in so many ways it is just ridiculous.
How does it suck? It has apps that do everything that the Android can do except for the native Google integration. Its multimedia abilities still rival my Eris. Better music player, better video. It has better battery life. Its UI is still smoother and faster than my Eris. It can now play You Tube, has a camera and video recorder.
I love my Eris, and the cool stuff it does. But other than the network and a few unique Sense UI things I can't say that my Eris is better than the 3GS.
How does it suck? It has apps that do everything that the Android can do except for the native Google integration. Its multimedia abilities still rival my Eris. Better music player, better video. It has better battery life. Its UI is still smoother and faster than my Eris. It can now play You Tube, has a camera and video recorder.
I love my Eris, and the cool stuff it does. But other than the network and a few unique Sense UI things I can't say that my Eris is better than the 3GS.
How does it suck? It has apps that do everything that the Android can do except for the native Google integration. Its multimedia abilities still rival my Eris. Better music player, better video. It has better battery life. Its UI is still smoother and faster than my Eris. It can now play You Tube, has a camera and video recorder.
I love my Eris, and the cool stuff it does. But other than the network and a few unique Sense UI things I can't say that my Eris is better than the 3GS.
The music player on the iPhone is not better than the Eris. The iPhone music player is very very limited. The Eris can do a lot more.
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