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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Let's talk our reasons for our answers here (as nicely as possible ).

My 1.5 is just fine. I don't know what else to say. Details to follow, if anyone is interested (I've posted it all many times in threads around the forums related to 2.1 leaks, etc).

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Yes. I have always been an early adopter for everything. I was a paid beta tester for AOL back in the day, and for Compuserve as well. For years my computer had more beta software on it than official software. I want to be on the bleeding edge. So what if it's working well, I want to see if I can make it work even better
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Yes. I have always been an early adopter for everything. I was a paid beta tester for AOL back in the day, and for Compuserve as well. For years my computer had more beta software on it than official software. I want to be on the bleeding edge. So what if it's working well, I want to see if I can make it work even better
The OTA, at least the leaks, seem to have other qualities/changes than improvement in function: it seems to be an entirely different OS, unless I'm mistaken in what I've understood from reading reports in here.

That is two things that some of us just do not need: we got the Eris as the OS it was, a design that looked and acted good, not to mention the second thing being it works fine, no bugs (again, for some of us.. I've read around and seen complaints from 1.5 users, too.. and again, it makes me wonder about quality control, as well as user error or lack of know-how now and then).
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Waiting for the OTA, I want the real thing and don't want to go through the process of the leaks.
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I did enjoy 1.5, but i needed to Navi for work. I had an LG dare before the Eris and i was one to pay $10 a month just to use thier VZ Navi. With 2.1 leak i now have the NAvi plus a way BETTER market. The new market layout is worth the update itself. If you havent downloaded the 2.1 leaked by now you might was well wait. tomorrow is thelast ay of the first Q1.
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Waiting for the OTA, I want the real thing and don't want to go through the process of the leaks.
Nice to see a patient one who wants the upgrade.

It is obvious that the overwhelming majority want the 2.1 software OTA. I just would like to see just how many people with the Eris are fine with 1.5 enough to not even want to install the OTA.

Two so far. But the night is young.
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I probably dont really need a smart phone. I have this phone because I liked the design, and the Android OS.
I have probably less than 15 apps, and I seldomly use most of them.
What is most important for me is that the phone functions as a phone, and I can check some websites on the go.
With all that said, if something better is available, I will gladly use it. It will open up more options for apps, and maybe there will be something I really love that I couldnt have had/done with 1.5
For one I know I am going to use the Nav, and I am excited for that. That is probably the main reason why I have been itching for the update so badly. But I have waited, and will continue to wait for the OTA. Its not important enough for me to update right away and deal with the bugs however few there may be.
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I decided to stay with 1.5 until OTA comes, not to say that im not checking these boards daily to see if they've started rolling them out.
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I'm still running 1.5 and I'm going to wait for the update since 1.5 seems to do everything I want. But I want the latest and greatest.
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I wanted 2.1 for Google Navigation, so I upgraded using the leaks, and I'm happy that I did. The update also solved another problem that irked me: the lag in 1.5 when I hit the "end call" button. I often hit the button twice (because I thought it didn't work the first time), and that caused it to redial.

When I bought the phone in December, the salesman insisted that we'd get an OTA update with Google Navigation within "a couple weeks," which is the reason I was comfortable buying the HTC Droid Eris instead of the Motorola Droid. When the January OTA update didn't bring what was promised, I became rather impatient.

My wife still has 1.5 on her Eris, and she's perfectly happy with that because she already has a Garmin in her car. She does NOT want the update because she's afraid it will mess up her apps.
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I don't feel like setting up my phone again so I want the OTA Honestly I thought the phone was great with 1.5 but I like 2.1 better.
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Have 2.1 v2 and dont really care. Also have google nav with voice so my Garmin is retired. Happy Eris guy here.
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I have the first leak right, and unless someone knows of an app that will restore all my Settings, screen layouts, and Better Cut icons I will be waiting for the official OTA. Not worth all my time to set up my phone how I want it again.
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I use my Eris a lot... so much more than I ever thought I would. From email to taking video of my 8 m/o daughter to watching tv or movies and organizing my insane schedule with the calendar and g tasks, I use this thing constantly. This, of course, worries me. But thankfully I have learned many painful time to back up everything.

With that said, if 2.1 will increase the functionality of a phone I already use so much, then yes please.
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Still loving 1.5, but impatiently awaiting 2.1

Didn't install the leaks. Not that I'm a novice, it looks simple to me. I'll just wait till they get ALL the bugs out (well, most of them anyways).
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I held put for as long as I could on 1.5, but then I got into a minor fender bender with my son in the car, and it seemed like nothing on my phone worked. Voice dial call (my wife) would open and start pandora radio dial pad was so laggy, that by the time the cops got there, I was fit to be tied. I'm a cop to, and they thoufht that I was gonna rong the other drivers nexk. I had to explain that my phone wouldn't work, and had to use theirs. Bottom line of this long story is 1.5 let me down when I needed my phone the most. That's why I installed the leak.
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I want 2.1 for the Navigation. But I don't want a buggy leak so I'll wait. 1.5 works great so I'm in no hurry.
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Waiting for the OTA, I want the real thing and don't want to go through the process of the leaks.
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Sorry bout The spelling errors I obviously forgot to upgrade my typing skills after I installed 2.1 leak lol
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yea, I agree with a previous post, I don't feel like setting everything up again haha, plus I'm not that a serious of a tech nerd so I'd probably fail at trying to install the leak and/or dealing with the bugs. But I would really like the OTA sometime soon! I mean, I am happy with my Eris on 1.5, but anything to make it function even better is something I want!
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My question is will the OTA update mess up the apps i've already got installed? I sure hope not, i've spent the last 3-4 days downloading and installing apps. I guess even if i did have to it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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I'm still on 1.5 and like it just fine. However there are at least a half dozen ver. 1.6+ apps that that I will definitely use. USAA banking, Text To Speech, and color identifier (don't ask) are all very high on my list. I can do without dancing bananas on my wallpaper, but there's a whole new world just 1 point release away from 1.5.
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Will we be able to keep all our settings and data when the OTA comes out? I think 2.1 leak to 2.1 ota yes, but 1.5 to 2.1 no. I can't picture a lot of people out there would be happy if they had to loose all their settings because of an update. I know my dad would rage big time.
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1.5 was alright I mean I liked my phone with 1.5 (except no GPS whcih was pretty big downfall for me) I upgraded to leak 2.1 specificlly for the GPS and now I couldn't imagine going back it's just 100% better and yes I want OTA as I'm sure it will just be even better then what I have and if not at least my phone will be back under warrenty lol
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So bascially i'll need to set aside about a half day to reconfig the phone and download all the apps? LOL i used to have to do this with windows pcs, not a damn cell phone, thats just ridiculous. I'll be sure to call verizon and give them a piece of my mind if thats how it is. I'm all for more features but come on, this isn't the windows platform. This is why the iphone will never be dethroned. Well back to waiting for the verizon iphone :/
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My question is will the OTA update mess up the apps i've already got installed? I sure hope not, i've spent the last 3-4 days downloading and installing apps. I guess even if i did have to it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Will we be able to keep all our settings and data when the OTA comes out? I think 2.1 leak to 2.1 ota yes, but 1.5 to 2.1 no. I can't picture a lot of people out there would be happy if they had to loose all their settings because of an update. I know my dad would rage big time.
With the leaks it's known what happens. With the OTA it's unknown, right now anything you hear is just speculation. Maybe we'll hear how it worked with the Moto Droid, then we'll have a good idea what to expect.
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With the leaks it's known what happens. With the OTA it's unknown, right now anything you hear is just speculation. Maybe we'll hear how it worked with the Moto Droid, then we'll have a good idea what to expect.
That's what I was thinking, but moto droids were already on the 2.0 right?
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I'm the type who would update weekly in order to try out new builds. I don't mind setting up my phone again and when it becomes reality for me to do this, I have things in place to make setup less painful. Yeah, I want OTA so that I can get what is considered to be officially good but I can live with 2.1b as long as I need to. it runs great.
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My computers thrive off of betas. Had GMail when it was a beta for years, have 3.6 beta 5 for Firefox, beta uTorrent, beta 2.1, Windows Vista RC way backl when, Windows 7 RC a while back. If I have the latest and greatest thing, I don't bitch. I can adapt to issues that come with betas. With 2.1, the sound going out, the cell standby bug, some widgets not working. It's fine for me. Just the firmware version saying "2.1" is enough for me, even had nothing changed.

This forum has changed a TON the past two months. It seems like newer members bitch quite a bit more than the older ones. Both bitch, but they've been waiting, what, two weeks? Most of us have been waiting since November. Doesn't give us a right to complain, but relative to one another, we have more reason to.

Now it's a bunch of n00bs making multiple threads on how to install 2.1. I recently visited a forum where over the span of two weeks, about ten n00bs joined, asking a very common question regarding an issue. The mods didn't even respond. Just locked it and with zero posts the thread just died and fell to the bottom. Poor bastard didn't even read the stickies at the top. Just expected a hit-and-run question and answer. I really gained respect for that board. They didn't take shit. Plenty of warnings have been made and members beg and plead. Nothing changed. Oh well.

This isn't towards anyone in particular. I'm just waiting for the replies I'm expecting regarding the thread title and it'll be nice to see it go the same way every thread about 2.1 in this forum goes.
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This forum has changed a TON the past two months. It seems like newer members bitch quite a bit more than the older ones. Both bitch, but they've been waiting, what, two weeks? Most of us have been waiting since November. Doesn't give us a right to complain, but relative to one another, we have more reason to.
How do you figure they are noobs? Some just choose to lurk. I've been here since November but, it seems, I've learned the lesson that when I have nothing constructive to say, I simply remain quiet.

And now... back to my silence.
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I want the OTA. I just updated to 2.1 v2 leak this past wknd. I waited through the first leak and said I would wait through the 2nd, but I was bored and wanted to mess around with a gadget.

Honestly 1.5 was great. I had very little lag and it did everything I needed it to do. There was the sometimes hang up lag, screen half-black out issue, and some other small non-intrusive bugs, but certainly not deal killers. 2.1 is essentially a faster version of 1.5 with added eye candy. Similar little bugs, but faster all around. If we get 2.1 OTA with this leak installed "why not try it" is what I said to myself.
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I am a noob, though I never came on here and complained about the lack of an update, but that post was ridiculous. I agree it is an annoyance seeing numerous threads about the same topic over and over again, but some things struck a nerve.
So we are under the assumption that everyone signs up on these forums the day they buy their phone? Who says the noobs here havent had the phone as long as you?
I was lurking here before buying. I got the phone on Nov 27th. I never joined until earlier this month. You have no way of telling how long anyone has had their phone.
It is usually true that unhappy people make themselves heard more loudly and/or more often than people who are content.
When I got this phone they told me in the store that it would be upgraded on Dec 11th. Obviously this is an issue that has been dragging on for months, and as more and more people become annoyed and impatient, more and more will voice their opinions.
If you see some noob complaining, it is very likely they have been putting up with this just as long as anyone, rather than someone who got their phone 2 days ago and is just a whiny baby looking for something to complain about.
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I was going to wait for the ota, but just decided enough was enough with waiting. Honestly, there really isn't much difference between 1.5 and 2.1, besides a little eye candy, the navigator, and some different settings here and there.
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And at least the leaks show that they are at least working on the actual update. So we WILL get it sometime in the future. A deadline would be nice, but unlikely.
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i had 2.1 leak 1 and now leak 2, and would love to get the final 2.1 OTA sooner rather than later. the main reason i grabbed the leaks is because, simply, i like toys, and if barely anyone has them i like them more. windows 7 RC was on my computer the day it came out. firefox betas as they show up. computer game betas when i can get them. if there's a piece of software or hardware that's new and i can grab (iPad is an exception), you better believe that my grubby little fingers are gonna be all over it so i can play. 2.1 is just more of the same.

that and the google nav is helpful. and the market is better. and i can do things that 1.5 users can't...like fly. and breath fire.
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I am more amazed at the number of people that want the update for Google Navigation. I have a Garmin GPS and my phone navi will never replace that.

I think the 2.0 + market is better than the 1.5 market. And just like older operating systems for computers, developers want to make apps for the latest. And, I like aesthetically pleasing stuff, so more bells and whistles will entertain me for awhile.

So, I say the OTA 2.1 update is a good thing. It will keep everyone moving forward with technology in general.
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I say the OTA 2.1 update is a good thing. It will keep everyone moving forward with technology in general.
That positive notion is the one that tempers, a bit, my satisfaction with 1.5; it appears that the upgrade to 2.1 has not only features and application improvements, but also functional advances in the Android platform overall.

That's impressive, especially if it really does bear out in reviews over time.

But I still have a strong "if it ain't broke don't fix it" feeling about my Eris on 1.5; it functions beautifully and, with a bit of common sense maintenance on Sundays (clearing caches, deleting messages and emails, etc) exhibits no lag at all and just does it's jobs as I command it to do.
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And for those who are happy/content with their 1.5 Eris, I say you should be able to keep it that way. :thumb up:
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And for those who are happy/content with their 1.5 Eris, I say you should be able to keep it that way.
Boy do I agree with that.

It should be a choice. But it is apparently not a choice, so we have to make decisions based on knowing that.

No, I'm not thinking about the iPhone.
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To be honest, this thread just makes my eyes roll ... and makes me wonder why Luddites buy smartphones at all, when Underwood manual typewriters are still perfectly serviceable.

But anyhow, here's the main point I'd like to make: there's a broader benefit in bringing the Eris and other Android phones to 2.1 ... it's not just that we individuals have shinier toys to play with. If all Android smartphones move to the 2.x codebase, it will mean lower support costs for providers, since they won't have to support the 1.x codebase anymore. It will also be a substantial benefit to app developers, because they can consolidate their efforts on 2.x. (As it is now, a few developers have to create separate versions of their apps for 1.x and 2.x.)

And that consolidation, in turn, will be good for the Android platform as a whole, since the OS fragmentation is perceived as a major problem for the platform. So it's a win-win ... the individual users benefit, and the platform benefits.

So, buck up!
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You are right. I looked at all seven of your posts. Equally shit. Take Ryan's advice.

November 27th? I've had my phone longer.

People usually say "I've only had my phone for two weeks and I was hoping for 2.1" in every thread. Go take a look.

Post count/join date isn't the only factor, but it's a pretty good one and you've proved my point. I wasn't calling every new member "annoying" but most of the two-post wonders on here fall into that category.

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LOL Someone get this man a cookie. He has his phone longer than me!
I didnt prove your point. You proved mine. I wasnt trying to say that I had my phone longer than you. I was showing you that you cant tell how long anyone has had it just by looking at their post count or join date. Again I was here since the phone was released, didnt get it till Novebmer, didnt register here till March. So what does the join date tell you? Nothing! Thought it was a simple concept, but you still dont seem to grasp it.
But whatever... I am done interrupting this thread with arguments about your childish gripes. Im not trying to compete with anyone to find out who has their phone longer and thinking I am more entitled to anyone who just got it. Again, thats pathetic.
Sorry to anyone who is reading this garbage. I am done now.
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To be honest, this thread just makes my eyes roll ... and makes me wonder why Luddites buy smartphones at all, when Underwood manual typewriters are still perfectly serviceable.

But anyhow, here's the main point I'd like to make: there's a broader benefit in bringing the Eris and other Android phones to 2.1 ... it's not just that we individuals have shinier toys to play with. If all Android smartphones move to the 2.x codebase, it will mean lower support costs for providers, since they won't have to support the 1.x codebase anymore. It will also be a substantial benefit to app developers, because they can consolidate their efforts on 2.x. (As it is now, a few developers have to create separate versions of their apps for 1.x and 2.x.)

And that consolidation, in turn, will be good for the Android platform as a whole, since the OS fragmentation is perceived as a major problem for the platform. So it's a win-win ... the individual users benefit, and the platform benefits.

So, buck up!
Your rolling eyes just went by my boots.. now they're being chased by my cat.. go Arnold!

Uh-oh, he's chewing on one of them. Better get a patch. etc..

On a more serious note, yes, you make good points. But all I ask is a bit of respect for my basic "choices" thing, especially considering we have those choices with our computer updates, even on Windows!
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Pfft! You windows users are too busy battling blue screens and viruses to take time for an upgrade anyway.

And my dog will keep your feline at bay, no doubt. He's a Border Collie, and loves herding cats.
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Well Frisco, you say your phone works fine as is, but I think its important to take in to consideration what exactly you use that you need to stay the same. Hopefully we can trust that the basic functions will be properly working as they do on 1.5 like being able to make a call, browsing the web, sending and receiving texts etc...
What exactly is it that you are worried about not working quite the same on 2.1?
Also if there is some major glitch and one of the normal functions of the phone is not working, I think they would get on that right away and send us a fix. Not like the faulty youtube app situation.
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Pfft! You windows users are too busy battling blue screens and viruses to take time for an upgrade anyway.

And my dog will keep your feline at bay, no doubt. He's a Border Collie, and loves herding cats.
In my defense, I've got Windows 7 on one of my six computers; the other five run Mint (two of them), Sabayon, Zenwalk and PCLinuxOS.

No BSODs on 7, btw. It's the most solid Windows I've seen since XP.
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In my defense, I've got Windows 7 on one of my six computers; the other five run Mint (two of them), Sabayon, Zenwalk and PCLinuxOS.

No BSODs on 7, btw. It's the most solid Windows I've seen since XP.
So you clearly enjoy tinkering with all kinds of operating systems ... except one.

So I know this is a ridiculously extreme argument ... but for sake of my point, here it is. I have an old cell phone buried in a parts drawer somewhere here -- it was a great phone, solid with good reception, and I loved using it. But eventually I had no choice but to upgrade -- because it was an analog phone. Should Verizon have kept supporting and developing their analog network because I was happy with the phone that I had?
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So you clearly enjoy tinkering with all kinds of operating systems ... except one.

So I know this is a ridiculously extreme argument ... but for sake of my point, here it is. I have an old cell phone buried in a parts drawer somewhere here -- it was a great phone, solid with good reception, and I loved using it. But eventually I had no choice but to upgrade -- because it was an analog phone. Should Verizon have kept supporting and developing their analog network because I was happy with the phone that I had?
Your question/analogy does not fit quite perfectly for this situation, although there is a good point about changing technology.

Here is what I'm saying: my 2 year deal with Verizon should allow me to use the good device as-is, with its 1.5 version of the software I tested in the store and purchased, for that period, and not changed by an upgrade I do not need or want.

24 months is about as long as I've ever had a phone, so I'd likely either purchase something else or get the new version of Eris (most likely) by then. Who knows? If the stores start staying open past 9 pm I'm liable to do anything in there. what?
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So bascially i'll need to set aside about a half day to reconfig the phone and download all the apps? LOL i used to have to do this with windows pcs, not a damn cell phone, thats just ridiculous.....This is why the iphone will never be dethroned. Well back to waiting for the verizon iphone :/
The apps are different for 2.1. Developers needed to create 2 versions for 99 cents. I can't blame them if they didn't. As for dethroning the iPhone, who actually cares about that other than you?
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Your question/analogy does not fit quite perfectly for this situation, although there is a good point about changing technology.

Here is what I'm saying: my 2 year deal with Verizon should allow me to use the good device as-is, with its 1.5 version of the software I tested in the store and purchased, for that period, and not changed by an upgrade I do not need or want.

24 months is about as long as I've ever had a phone, so I'd likely purchase something else or get the new version of Eris by then. Who knows? If the stores start staying open past 9 pm I'm liable to do anything in there. what?
Well, if your contract specifically states what version of the Android OS you're entitled to operate, then you may have a point ... but I suspect that's not the case.

And anyhow, the 2.1 users still have everything that you like about 1.5 ... so nothing is being taken away from anyone. Just a few minutes of time while the OTA runs, and perhaps an excuse to be curmudgeonly ...
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