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Old April 6th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey Guys, A bunch of us at work have been issued eris'. We have some concerns that the company is tracking us via the location service.

How can I tell? I have been told that the HTC Location Pickers was a dead giveaway.

I had mine replaced on the first day due to a "Technical Issue", and no one at the company has touched mine since....


A little data please!

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Old April 6th, 2010, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think that you are trackable, other than via the Latitude app (or by VZW/Google), but if the Eris' are owned by your company, I guess it might be possible.

You're only transmitting location if you see the target (triangulation) or dish (GPS) icons on your status bar.

You can always turn off the location service, I guess.
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Yes, they can track you and you'll never know. Turn off the phone when you don't want your location known. Think about it for a sec. If your phone can tell you how to get from point A to point B it knows your location. It's easy after that.
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Yes, they can track you and you'll never know. Turn off the phone when you don't want your location known. Think about it for a sec. If your phone can tell you how to get from point A to point B it knows your location. It's easy after that.
Depending on how paranoid you are you might want to pull the battery too!
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Hey Guys, A bunch of us at work have been issued eris'. We have some concerns that the company is tracking us via the location service.

How can I tell? I have been told that the HTC Location Pickers was a dead giveaway.

I had mine replaced on the first day due to a "Technical Issue", and no one at the company has touched mine since....


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Do you work for the FBI or CIA? I doubt any corporate company is going to track you down minute to minute. This post is a bit paranoid.
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Flash the phone with a custom ROM. Then you'll know exactly whats on it.

If they ask about it just play stupid.
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Depending on how paranoid you are you might want to pull the battery too!
so true, turn it in man , get your on eris....they can listen in as well like nanny feature.
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you can be tracked easily... if you dont know what to look for. look for an app called Lookout (there is one more app out there very similar to lookout), if its installed check its settings to see it its got the location settings on. If so, with the GPS it can track you within 4 Meters as to where your at. I have this installed on my phone, and my wife just in case we lose our phones. But, if I wanted to, I could easily log into the account to see where the phones are at any time. But, I dont have a reason to do so.

If you go into settings and turn off the GPS you have almost nothing to worry about. Unless of course another application uses GPS and cell tower location, in which case your jsut out of luck. The phones, at this time, can't completely lock applications for work purposes. At least not that I know of (until full root access is in the market place on the offical roms). You should be able to remove any applications such as Lookout. But then again, if the phones are work computers the company has every right to know exactly where their assets are going. I've been in IT for 15+ years. if thats a company issued phone you have the right to use it and not abuse it. But, unless your a trucker or a driver for the most part companies could care less as to where your going with their phone.

If you are a driver for a company, then chances are you are being tracked as far as where your vehicle is going. It is standard practice to put a GPS hidden on company vehicles to track milage, speed, and location of all company motor assets. GPS units are a dime a dozen and so small you wouldn't even know you had one on the car your driving even if it was right on the dashboard hehe.
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Just so you guys know, I am in industrial sales, and the manager DO want to know if their sales people are in a plant or out playing golf. The company already tracks how many phone calls the inside sales group gets a day to try and gauge their productivity.

You are not paranoid is everyone is out to get you! (Company Motto)


I just want to be able to play an occasional golf game in peace
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Just so you guys know, I am in industrial sales, and the manager DO want to know if their sales people are in a plant or out playing golf. The company already tracks how many phone calls the inside sales group gets a day to try and gauge their productivity.

You are not paranoid is everyone is out to get you! (Company Motto)


I just want to be able to play an occasional golf game in peace
If they are paying the bill they they do have the right to know what is going on with your activities. You might think about getting another phone for personal use. Several of my buds do this so that they can do what they want without worry.
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YOu accept the phone. Deal with it. I manage our phones and wish I had the time to see wtf ppl do with company property. Is there an app like blacktrack for droids?
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You accept the phone. Deal with it. I manage our phones and wish I had the time to see wtf ppl do with company property. Is there an app like blacktrack for droids?
I don't know that the OP was expressing anger or looking for sympathy. He just wanted to know whether he might be better off not taking his phone along with him when he doesn't want his work checking up on him.
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True. I would say its unlikely but if your worried about it I say get your own phone and leave that at home when not working.
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You never know bro. Some company's got there noses in everything! I don't see any benefits what so ever by doing it though. Unless your like Some CIA agent haha.
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Just turn off location settings, no tracking app will work if they're turned off.
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Go into airplane mode when you would like some privacy.

Are they using VZW's feature of tracking your kids? I dunno how those work.



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so would you just go play a round of golf in the middle of the day instead of doing work at work.......

airplane mode when you don't want to be tracked is probably the best way. I have two phones, one for work and a personal one. With two phones you can turn your work phone off but still use your personal one. If you use the two phone method you can use google voice and have some calls sent to your personal phone. There was a guy that I use to work with that would put his phone in the dryer to block the cell signal and would say he was in a dead zone so he wasn't able to take the support calls. You can try that however there is a reason that person doesn't work with us anymore.
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Of course they can track you, its perfectly legal and corporations like Nextel have been doing this for years now. FCC E911 regulations mandated handset locating technology at the end of 2005, and the rest is history.

Make up some story the phone is costing you sales because it drops calls, and use your own phone. Or don't screw off on company time...2 pretty straightforward choices. Turning location off and then inadvertently back on again accidentally could cost you you're job.
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Wow guys, why all the hostility? I am not questioning the right of the company to track their assets, but I don't like the "Big Brother" approach.

I little detail for those who have never been in sales: My phone never stops ringing, day, night, holidays, weekends, vacation, it doesn't matter. My wife is mad at me now, because I spent half the holiday weekend on the phone. It is just part of the job....

I am not trying to cheat the company out of any time, they owe me such a time deficit that I will never catch up.

I am not complaining, I LOVE what I do, I just don't want a bunch of s**t from managers that have enough meaningless time to track their employees.

They can always judge a salesperson by there performance.....
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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #23 (permalink)
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then leave the phone at work. unless you are paid salary and it's in your contract, lol.

if the company lists in writing that they must be able to track your location at all times, i would look for a new job. if not, airplane mode!
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Simple, only leave the phone on 9-5 then shut it off, if it's bothering "your family time" get your own phone.
They have every right to track you during those times.
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If they are paying the bill they they do have the right to know what is going on with your activities. You might think about getting another phone for personal use. Several of my buds do this so that they can do what they want without worry.
Best answer yet. If you feel they are tracking you or possibly monitoring your whereabouts then they probably are. Only use the phone when you are actually.
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Yes and they are reading your thoughts. Wear a tin-foil hat, its the only way to stop them.


But seriously if you are concerned just turn your GPS off. I never use mine and having it off saves on battery power.
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There is an app called Mobile Defense that can be used to track a phone, but as far as *I* know it can't really be done without your knowledge. To start tracking there is a gibberish text sent to your phone. To the best of my knowledge though, it disconnects after a set length of time. What's particularly 'sneaky' about this app is that it does a fine job of hiding itself on your phone - so that if you phone is stolen the thief can't see that it's there and just uninstall the app. It doesn't show up in All Apps, it doesn't show as running in any task manager I've seen.
Knowing that this app is out there, I'd have to assume that there is one out there that would allow someone to track your phone without your knowing.
I agree that turning the phone off or going to airplane mode is your best defense. Do that for a while, if they ARE tracking you you'll soon know. Because some IT guy is going to want to look at your phone, because apparently it's not working correctly...
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Hey Guys, A bunch of us at work have been issued eris'. We have some concerns that the company is tracking us via the location service.

How can I tell? I have been told that the HTC Location Pickers was a dead giveaway.

I had mine replaced on the first day due to a "Technical Issue", and no one at the company has touched mine since....


A little data please!

The easiest way to find out would be to buddy up with someone in the IT department or similar department such as telecommunications, or which ever handles the technical property for your company. They would probably know since they implemented the service for the company.

On a side note many companies track their employees. Two off the top of my head are UPS and FedEx. I know that's a different line of work, but many companies that provide a company vehicle use the same service. I believe Qualcomm has provided the service for over a decade.

I know at the company I work for, which is a large corporation, will not monitor your internet usage, track you, etc. unless your manager has reason to believe that you need to be (i.e. poor performance).
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im just curious to how old u are.
cause u want to play golf on company time and worried about getting caught.
right?
then we give u tips on NOT getting caught over and over and u seem to not want to take the advise.
its simple, yes u can be tracked.
they probably r tracking u if the company issued phone is android!
its the easiest way to track u.
if u r worried, take the battery out when u r doing wrong (cause u r).
try airplane mode...but phones can be tracked when they are powered on...
the mic can be activated also.
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If you are in sales, why aren't you taking clients to play golf? Sounds like an easy overall fix to me. You get to play golf, do your job and write all of it off. Win win if you ask me.

To the question at hand....yes, they can track you. One of the companies I work with does this to all their salespeople and delivery people. They want to know where everyone is at all times.
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If you're out golfing when you should be at work, you're kinda screwed if you take your phone with you and leave it on. Best bet is to shut it off before you leave the office, and turn it back on once you are in a "safe" location (the golf course parking lot doesn't count). If you get called out on it, tell them the battery died and you didn't notice. Once you did notice, you plugged it in and turned it back on.

This will probably only work a few times before they can you, so be careful.

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look at it this way - if they know which golf course you usually go to, they'll be able to tell that you've been kidnapped when you dont go there at your usual time, AND they'll be able to tell the cops where to find you.

if they dont fire you and take the phone before you get kidnapped, of course, in which case...yer hosed.
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A bit off topic, but still pretty creepy: I came into a Verizon store today to get a charger cable replaced, obviously with my phone. The greeter rep in the store asked me for my name to put me into the queue and I only told her my first name, without my cell #

Turns out there was another guy in the store already waiting who has the same name as me. I literally watched on the LCD display as my name went on there WITH MY LAST INITIAL to differentiate us to the staff. Very, very weird.

My GPS was on at the time. Comments?
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A bit off topic, but still pretty creepy: I came into a Verizon store today to get a charger cable replaced, obviously with my phone. The greeter rep in the store asked me for my name to put me into the queue and I only told her my first name, without my cell #

Turns out there was another guy in the store already waiting who has the same name as me. I literally watched on the LCD display as my name went on there WITH MY LAST INITIAL to differentiate us to the staff. Very, very weird.

My GPS was on at the time. Comments?
umm...im young and u r scaring me mr!
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umm...im young and u r scaring me mr!
Just lay low. It will all be over soon.
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I don't blame you for not wanting to have your world invaded and IMO honesty is the best policy. You could ask them and see what they say. It seems like from this thread that they can track you. If we presume that they can track you and that they are, they will know when you go offline.

Ask 'em and then establish times you are "available" and times when you aren't.

At that point, this is the same as not liking keyboard loggers on your keyboard - they may have a right to do it, but you certainly have a right to not like it and find some where that doesn't do it.

Best of luck!
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