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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default .bookmark_thumb1 folder in Internal Storage?

This folder includes screen shots that are used for Internet Browser bookmarks. It also includes screen shots of web pages that I did not choose to bookmark. When I clear cache while in "Internet" in "Manage Applications" it does not remove these jpg files that are not being used for bookmarks. When I clear everything while in Internet app (in settings) it does not remove these jpg files either. It also does not remove them from within the HistoryEraser app. The only way I can remove the jpg files is with Astro or when connected to PC. I have to go through them and erase jpgs that I do not want there.

There were 72 jpg files in that directory and they go all the way back to when I got phone (on 4/29). I have only added 5 bookmarks myself during that time. They do not take up a lot of space but I just don't want them there.

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Default Engadget Article - "Droid Incredible saves browser screenshots to internal memory"

Droid Incredible saves browser screenshots to internal memory, turns into a privacy nightmare? -- Engadget

Is anyone worried about this? They don't explain how to actually remove them from memory.

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Don't use the bookmark widget if this functionality of it bothers you.

You can just delete them from the internal memory when you plug in the phone and select disk drive. They're under the .bookmark_thumb1 folder.
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Default Re: Engadget Article - "Droid Incredible saves browser screenshots to internal memory"

Its not a problem. Engadget is wrong. It stores it on the SD card, which doesnt get formatted during a factory reset, for obvuous reasons.

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I bring this up nearly a month ago and now it a story on Engadget. Too funny.
Droid Incredible saves browser screenshots to internal memory, turns into a privacy nightmare? -- Engadget
I guess if I would have brought up the privacy part of this issue in my post I would have got more people involved...

And here is the boy genius report:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/16/browser-privacy-htc-senseui/
I wonder if I'm the astute reader...
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Its not a problem. Engadget is wrong. It stores it on the SD card, which doesnt get formatted during a factory reset, for obvuous reasons.

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It's not on the SD Card on my phone; it's on the internal memory.
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Its not a problem. Engadget is wrong. It stores it on the SD card, which doesnt get formatted during a factory reset, for obvuous reasons.

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It is not stored on the SD card. It is in the internal 8gb of memory.

I posted about this nearly a month ago:
http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/81292-bookmark_thumb1-folder-internal-storage.html
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Yup, according to one of the highest ranked postings

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I just checked this on my desire. It saves them to the SD card which is why a factory reset does nothing but you would format or remove the SD card when you sell it anyway. So this isn't an issue.

This article is stupid.
But if you think about it, this is really no different than what Chrome does with its bookmarks when creating a "new tab". The main difference is that Chrome will delete the cached images after a while.

edit: Just checked, mine is on the sdcard. I think it may depend on if you have the sdcard in on your first boot. The users that find their data on their internal storage, when you first activated your phone, did you have an sdcard in?
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Yup, according to one of the highest ranked postings

But if you think about it, this is really no different than what Chrome does with its bookmarks when creating a "new tab". The main difference is that Chrome will delete the cached images after a while.

edit: Just checked, mine is on the sdcard. I think it may depend on if you have the sdcard in on your first boot. The users that find their data on their internal storage, when you first activated your phone, did you have an sdcard in?
My SD card was not in phone when activated. That is probably the answer. It really is not a big deal to me. I just periodically erase the images. I hope bringing up this issue forces HTC to come up with update so that images not being used by bookmarks will not be created (or will be deleted automatically). Secondly, it would be nice if HistoryEraser would erase images that were not being used by bookmarks.
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You can just delete them from the internal memory when you plug in the phone and select disk drive. They're under the .bookmark_thumb1 folder.
Thanks. It was on the internal memory in said folder. Not that it was a major concern, but at least I am able to control and remove if I feel like it.
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My SD card was not in phone when activated. That is probably the answer. It really is not a big deal to me. I just periodically erase the images. I hope bringing up this issue forces HTC to come up with update so that images not being used by bookmarks will not be created (or will be deleted automatically). Secondly, it would be nice if HistoryEraser would erase images that were not being used by bookmarks.
I'm sure that once word spreads on this that history/cache cleaner devs will start integrating the removal of this folder. Maybe drop a suggestion to the dev's email of your favorite cleaner tool.
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i had a couple images as well, but after i stopped using the stock browser and switched to dolphin hd, the screenshots stopped. i cleared out the folder and no new entries since yesterday.

i was tempted to delete the folder and see if an app would complain, but didn't bother, esp since i rarely use the stock brower anymore.

good catch. i just started using my bank website on it for emergencies and glad to know that those screenshots won't show up anymore =P
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Droid Incredible saves browser screenshots to internal memory, turns into a privacy nightmare? -- Engadget

Is anyone worried about this? They don't explain how to actually remove them from memory.

total non-issue, as far as i'm concerned. first of all, what sites display sensitive account information on the screen, even once you're logged in? second of all, who bookmarks a sensitive site with their login credentials stored? i'm much less worried about reselling my phone to an identity thief than i am about it being lost or stolen.

maybe there's legitimate reason to be concerned, but i don't see it.
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total non-issue, as far as i'm concerned. first of all, what sites display sensitive account information on the screen, even once you're logged in?
Let see. Bank Websites. porn sites you visited.

Lets not brushed this off and sweep it under the rug. HTC or somebody needs to make an app that removes it. Simple as that. There should be a 'checkbox' when you factory reset, it allows you to remove all 'user data' including that on the /emmc/ partition.
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Its not a problem. Engadget is wrong. It stores it on the SD card, which doesnt get formatted during a factory reset, for obvuous reasons.
That is only IF you have a SD card inserted.

If you don't have a SD card (I never got my free 2GB card from VZW), it will store on the EMMC partition which doesn't get deleted in a factory reset.

YOu can reproduce this (even w/ aSD card) by plugging in your Inc to your computer via USB and surf the web at the same time. I do this to charge my phone and the pc will unmount the SD card. Then by default, the browser will bookmark to internal storage.
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I deleted the .bookmark_thumb1 folder on my Incredible's internal storage and when I went back into the stock browser app it re-created that folder on the internal storage even though I had a SD card in the phone. I imagine that if you did a factory reset with a SD card in the phone that it would have the .bookmark_thumb1 folder on the SD card. It is not a big enough deal to me to do this though...
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Let see. Bank Websites.
I would seriously look at changing banks if they were displaying sensitive information on the screen. Anything more than last four digits is a serious no-no.

There is also never a reason to bookmark a page (other than the login page) of ANY site that uses personal info (AND I would never bookmark my bank's site on a nonencrypted drive regardless. )

If you can't remember your banks web address, I would keep the bookmarks someplace safer than in a browser on your phone (or your laptop)
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I would seriously look at changing banks if they were displaying sensitive information on the screen. Anything more than last four digits is a serious no-no.

There is also never a reason to bookmark a page (other than the login page) of ANY site that uses personal info (AND I would never bookmark my bank's site on a nonencrypted drive regardless. )

If you can't remember your banks web address, I would keep the bookmarks someplace safer than in a browser on your phone (or your laptop)
It takes a screen shot regardless of weather you choose to bookmark. I do agree with your point about displaying sensitive information. Most sites do not display the actual password or other sensitive info.
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Let see. Bank Websites. porn sites you visited.
Bank websites will not display sensitive info on a website. If you go to yours, you can't even get the full account number even if you tried. Can't really comment on the latter
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So maybe your porn shots will pop up, HOLY CRAP I'M SO SCREWED...


No really, attach your phone to your computer, hit show hidden files and delete the stupid folder. How hard is that?

I like the idea of letting devs know, it would be a cool app to have that once a month it deletes that folder. Or on every sync it deletes it
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Bank websites will not display sensitive info on a website. If you go to yours, you can't even get the full account number even if you tried. Can't really comment on the latter
True but it will show my balances from my accounts. AND that is SOMETHING I want to hide from certain people like the significant other.
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True but it will show my balances from my accounts. AND that is SOMETHING I want to hide from certain people like the significant other.
That sounds like the makings of an awesome relationship there. Hide my account details from strangers, sure, but the SO?
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I don't really care. not like I visit embarassing sites or do any banking on my phone. I'm sure it could be fixed accordingly for anyone who is worried, now that the story has broken out.
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Astro deletes it fine. i did edit>select all>delete. It asked me if I was sure, I told it "sure, why not?" and we're all happy.
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Interesting. Skyfire stores it's bookmark thumbnails in /sdcard/skyfire/ in some sort of special format does not seem to be opened by the stock images app. Never knew until I looked for the stock browser ones and got curious.
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Astro deletes it fine. i did edit>select all>delete. It asked me if I was sure, I told it "sure, why not?" and we're all happy.
I second that, I did this the day the article came out on boygeniusreport website.
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Interesting. Skyfire stores it's bookmark thumbnails in /sdcard/skyfire/ in some sort of special format does not seem to be opened by the stock images app. Never knew until I looked for the stock browser ones and got curious.
You can still open it up. They just removed the extension. Some filesystems can read the mime-type.
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ok, i am kind of at a loss as to how this is a big deal. No one is going to be looking/hacking into my phone to view these pictures of my recent websites i visited on my phone. Are you guys concerned that if your phone was stolen, or you sold it that people could see these? If so i still don't really see how this could be used against you. can someone try to fill me in on why this is such a big deal? If my phone is stolen or lost, and has my account info for my bank, which is really all i care about, i will call my bank and freeze that account immediately. Stuff like facebook or my google password are easy enough to change and those are like the only 3 things saved on my phone.
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This whole issue was debunked about 2-3 weeks ago. Let's try to refrain from Necro'ing old threads like this, it only stirs up more confusion and rumors.
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then why does my Dinc still store these pictures. I didnt recieve an update from HTC yet.
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I'm no HTC software engineer, but it's probably so that you can view thumbnails of your bookmarks. And the ones that are not bookmarks are probably from when you open up a new window in your browser (Those thumbnails don't show up by magic, people). It caches an image of your browser window so that you know which one you're switching to.
But don't quote me on that. As I mentioned, I don't know how HTC does their things.
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I believe this little gem will help you delete that stuff ( but I have not bothered trying it yet). I do know that this goes away when you power off the phone. You have to re-enter it to get it back.

http://androidforums.com/tips-tricks-incredible/107339-advanced-browser-settings.html
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Don't use the bookmark widget if this functionality of it bothers you.

You can just delete them from the internal memory when you plug in the phone and select disk drive. They're under the .bookmark_thumb1 folder.
Correct folder but I had images of sites that I'd never bookmarked stored there even after a complete delete and factory reset. Required manually deleting them before returning my phone.

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Nope, it's definitely internal memory (or internal memory AS WELL).

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This whole issue was debunked about 2-3 weeks ago. Let's try to refrain from Necro'ing old threads like this, it only stirs up more confusion and rumors.
Again, nope not debunked. Main internal memory emmc/.bookmark_thumb1 Images remain after factory fresh reset.

Not cool HTC.
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