I think what we're seeing here is what Google said they would be doing eventually. They said a couple of months ago, in a press conference I believe, that Android would eventually be able to store apps on the micro SD card. So, I think what we're seeing is the Incredible being the first phone to have this advantage.
How this makes sense to me is: 512 RAM (basically the speed of the phone, how fast it can run applications and how fast the phone "responds" when you're using it) and 512 ROM (onboard storage for apps, etc.) Now...here is where I think we're reading this wrong. They're including the 8GB as an EXTENSION of the ROM. The 8GB they're refering to is the micro SD card. The reason they're including it in the ROM specs is because this phone will allow you to now store apps on the micro SD card.
That makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure a lot of us remember the press conference when Google executives said that they were "working on this" or something, and that they would have Android able to store apps on removable media soon. I think this is what we're seeing and the Incredible is the first to employ this new storage process.
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With NKT's new info, i tried to do some moviNAND research, and I found this site which explains the emmc memory. I also found that this is the same memory that the pre uses for ROM like NKT said.
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Ok, did some more looking around at the docs that I have and I think I can confirm Stericsons 8gb onboard flash storage (ie Pre+):
So slap a 32gb micoSD in that bad boy and you got some serious storage! And I wonder if the means that Google is going to use the 8gb onboard for app storage. That would be sweet
And as far as weight goes, it is lighter than the N1.
That is awesome, i'm so pumped you have confirmed this too. I wanted to believe it when Stericsons said it but I didn't want it to get my hopes up and when the time came be really disappointed.
Ok, did some more looking around at the docs that I have and I think I can confirm Stericsons 8gb onboard flash storage (ie Pre+):
So slap a 32gb micoSD in that bad boy and you got some serious storage! And I wonder if the means that Google is going to use the 8gb onboard for app storage. That would be sweet
And as far as weight goes, it is lighter than the N1.
We may not see app storage like that for awhile, but Google is prepping anyway. Even if they dont get app storage onto storage like that it will give one the ability to have their Incredible have more storage then any Iphone.
I think what we're seeing here is what Google said they would be doing eventually. They said a couple of months ago, in a press conference I believe, that Android would eventually be able to store apps on the micro SD card. So, I think what we're seeing is the Incredible being the first phone to have this advantage.
How this makes sense to me is: 512 RAM (basically the speed of the phone, how fast it can run applications and how fast the phone "responds" when you're using it) and 512 ROM (onboard storage for apps, etc.) Now...here is where I think we're reading this wrong. They're including the 8GB as an EXTENSION of the ROM. The 8GB they're refering to is the micro SD card. The reason they're including it in the ROM specs is because this phone will allow you to now store apps on the micro SD card.
That makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure a lot of us remember the press conference when Google executives said that they were "working on this" or something, and that they would have Android able to store apps on removable media soon. I think this is what we're seeing and the Incredible is the first to employ this new storage process.
I don't think this is the case since the Pre uses the same moviNAND memory, and Stericson said there was no SD card in the phone when it read 6.6 GB free.
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With NKT's new info, i tried to do some moviNAND research, and I found this site which explains the emmc memory. I also found that this is the same memory that the pre uses for ROM like NKT said.
OK, maybe I'm wrong on this one. (Edit: I AM wrong) I think I might be. The 8GB of moviNAND flash storage is BUILT IN the phone. This makes sense now. Because if it's built in they can make it to where you can't "rip" apps off of your phone and just give them to people or share them on the internet for free. Think about how small 8GB can be brought down to now days. I have a micro SD card in my current phone and it's seriously TINY. I got it two years ago. So, I'm sure they can make 8GB of on-board storage on this phone not take up much space at all in the hardware of this phone. I retract my former case. I looked up moviNAND and I agree with you guys, it's built in.
So, yes, you can throw in a 32GB micro SD card and...dear lord...that would definitely be an iPhone killer, in my opinion. If they include a 32GB micro SD it REALLY would be.
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I have decided to quit you all cold turkey. I have the specs, and unless an actual release date comes out then there is no reason to even go forward with this relationship. The only thing I get from reading these specs is agitated. I hate you all. Please leave me alone and ANDROID FORUMS.....I have un-subscribed from this thread 5 times. Please make it so................................................ .................................................. .............
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Don't think they're shipping with 32gb cards. I've heard it shipping with a 8gb.
I really don't think they'll need to ship with an additional SD card now....some people won't want to pay the extra up front cost, and some will want a bigger card, so I see them selling the Incredible sans sd card.
OK, maybe I'm wrong on this one. (Edit: I AM wrong) I think I might be. The 8GB of moviNAND flash storage is BUILT IN the phone. This makes sense now. Because if it's built in they can make it to where you can't "rip" apps off of your phone and just give them to people or share them on the internet for free. Think about how small 8GB can be brought down to now days. I have a micro SD card in my current phone and it's seriously TINY. I got it two years ago. So, I'm sure they can make 8GB of on-board storage on this phone not take up much space at all in the hardware of this phone. I retract my former case. I looked up moviNAND and I agree with you guys, it's built in.
So, yes, you can throw in a 32GB micro SD card and...dear lord...that would definitely be an iPhone killer, in my opinion. If they include a 32GB micro SD it REALLY would be.
Nash, here's Stericson's quote about the onboard storage from yesterday, FWIW:
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Yes, my source still has his phone.
also, I thought yall would like to know he said the storage on the phone is mountable like an sdcard, he tried it while the sdcard was out, My source says it shows up as two devices.
Also, the market is the same as the droid, and Verizon hasnt done any integration with sense from what he tells me.
Don't think they're shipping with 32gb cards. I've heard it shipping with a 8gb.
I dont doubt its shipping with a 8gb card. But you'll have the ability to add a 32gb card which then give you the ability to have more storage then any iphone which is what I meant.
I really don't think they'll need to ship with an additional SD card now....some people won't want to pay the extra up front cost, and some will want a bigger card, so I see them selling the Incredible sans sd card.
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dude if this phone ships with the specs we are hearing it is gonna be straight BEAST. only prob is youre gonna need a back up battery supply something along the lines of a big ass backpack battery to keep this bad boy runnin.
I remember reading way back in this thread that the battery is one of the criteria that the FCC looks at before passing a phone, and if the size of it changes, the phone would have to go back through for FCC approval. So, I think that we are stuck with that battery ...
That cracks me up because you can pop in any other 3rd party battery into the thing without the FCC testing it so why all the fuss from them? Oh yeah, it's the government.
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Ok, did some more looking around at the docs that I have and I think I can confirm Stericsons 8gb onboard flash storage (ie Pre+):
So slap a 32gb micoSD in that bad boy and you got some serious storage! And I wonder if the means that Google is going to use the 8gb onboard for app storage. That would be sweet
And as far as weight goes, it is lighter than the N1.
Question: Where did this quote you had in ^that^ post come from?
yea thats what i was thinking...im wondering how our battery life is going to compare with that of the desire..especially since it is looking that our incredible is more juiced up.
All very exciting news! I can't believe that we had less the 100 pages last Monday, but now are at 125.
I'm glad to see that the processor isn't under-clocked. Now we will have some great zippiness to the phone! I thought that this phone was going to be an exact HTC Desire with different looks, but right now, it is looking better! (Although I still believe that no device on this planet looks as good as the HTC Desire.)
Ok, did some more looking around at the docs that I have and I think I can confirm Stericsons 8gb onboard flash storage (ie Pre+):
So slap a 32gb micoSD in that bad boy and you got some serious storage! And I wonder if the means that Google is going to use the 8gb onboard for app storage. That would be sweet
And as far as weight goes, it is lighter than the N1.
All very exciting news! I can't believe that we had less the 100 pages last Monday, but now are at 125.
I'm glad to see that the processor isn't under-clocked. Now we will have some great zippiness to the phone! I thought that this phone was going to be an exact HTC Desire with different looks, but right now, it is looking better! (Although I still believe that no device on this planet looks as good as the HTC Desire.)
Not yet anyways.
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Good now that I know the processor isnt under clocked. If it was running very fast on Sense I could only imagine what its gonna be like with it turned off. I hate sense so this is a big plus for me. Its unfortunate that I cant get the Nexus One on a family plan. Everything in the Incredible is better than the Nexus One but I just cant stand the look of the Incredible. Its Incredibly tacky. I know you wont see the red cause the battery cover is over it but was a it necessary. Do you honestly think that Apple would do something like this. I say Apple cause lets be honest they know design. I hate their software but I have to give credit to their products design and build quality.Even HTC with the Nexus One, why would they have some crazy exotic color on it. Yea the Incredible might be the Lamborghini of phones spec wise but it doesn't have the looks. Im just saying cause to me it shows that the company doesn't really care about that phone.
so Android and palm pre plus have the same multitask capabilities?
this is what palm pre can do..
Multitasking and notifications
If there's one area where the Palm Pre holds the edge over the current iPhone, G1, and other smartphones, it's in its multitasking and notification capabilities. The much-talked-about Deck of Card feature works well, letting you keep multiple applications open and running in the background while working in another. Like on a computer, you can minimize and maximize tasks by using the center button and swiping through the various cards. In addition, the aforementioned quick-launch bar makes menu access and launching new apps a snap.
It's not just WebOS ability to multitask, it's the way it's implemented. The implementation is graceful and intuitive. It is very easy to open another app todo something and then switch back to the first. Closing an app is as simple as touching it and "throwing"it off the screen. I just wish the hardware were up to par. Then Palms new phones would be contenders.
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that sucks...well hopefully this incredible comes with an incredible way to save on some battery...either way im still loving this phone
Seidio makes a 1600 mah battery for nexus one that fits with original battery door. They also make 3200 mah battery that makes the phone a little thicker. Hopefully they will produce something for the incredible. 1600 would be nice if it fits without making phone thicker. 3200 would be some awesome power even if it did make phone thicker. Has anyone seen the mophie juice packs for the iPhone?? Why isn't there anything like that available for phones like the nexus one or the incredible when it comes?
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Good now that I know the processor isnt under clocked. If it was running very fast on Sense I could only imagine what its gonna be like with it turned off. I hate sense so this is a big plus for me. Its unfortunate that I cant get the Nexus One on a family plan. Everything in the Incredible is better than the Nexus One but I just cant stand the look of the Incredible. Its Incredibly tacky. I know you wont see the red cause the battery cover is over it but was a it necessary. Do you honestly think that Apple would do something like this. I say Apple cause lets be honest they know design. I hate their software but I have to give credit to their products design and build quality.Even HTC with the Nexus One, why would they have some crazy exotic color on it. Yea the Incredible might be the Lamborghini of phones spec wise but it doesn't have the looks. Im just saying cause to me it shows that the company doesn't really care about that phone.
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How does that work exactly?
1) If you disable sense on the incredible...would it essentially be an N1 OS wise?
- Would this make updates readily available?
2) If you were to disable sense on this already beastly phone, would it become i guess even more beastly since you wouldn't be using up extra processor needed to run sense?
I dig phones, but don't really get tech. I don't even know what the **** ram and ROM and SD cards are in regards to a phone...so just curious about these things. In laymen terms please...
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Good now that I know the processor isnt under clocked. If it was running very fast on Sense I could only imagine what its gonna be like with it turned off. I hate sense so this is a big plus for me. Its unfortunate that I cant get the Nexus One on a family plan. Everything in the Incredible is better than the Nexus One but I just cant stand the look of the Incredible. Its Incredibly tacky. I know you wont see the red cause the battery cover is over it but was a it necessary. Do you honestly think that Apple would do something like this. I say Apple cause lets be honest they know design. I hate their software but I have to give credit to their products design and build quality.Even HTC with the Nexus One, why would they have some crazy exotic color on it. Yea the Incredible might be the Lamborghini of phones spec wise but it doesn't have the looks. Im just saying cause to me it shows that the company doesn't really care about that phone.
thats ok, because I don't want ANYTHING that apple would do...btw i hate steve jobs with every fiber of my being nothing against you for not liking the looks of the incredible...everyone has their opinion. myself, I like the black back plate better and honestly prefer the red underneath (I love the way it shows just around the camera lens and the speaker grill). now would I prefer it to look like the desire? (absolutely!) will I buy it if it looks like the leaked pics? (in a heartbeat!)
Good now that I know the processor isnt under clocked. If it was running very fast on Sense I could only imagine what its gonna be like with it turned off. I hate sense so this is a big plus for me. Its unfortunate that I cant get the Nexus One on a family plan. Everything in the Incredible is better than the Nexus One but I just cant stand the look of the Incredible. Its Incredibly tacky. I know you wont see the red cause the battery cover is over it but was a it necessary. Do you honestly think that Apple would do something like this. I say Apple cause lets be honest they know design. I hate their software but I have to give credit to their products design and build quality.Even HTC with the Nexus One, why would they have some crazy exotic color on it. Yea the Incredible might be the Lamborghini of phones spec wise but it doesn't have the looks. Im just saying cause to me it shows that the company doesn't really care about that phone.
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How does that work exactly?
1) If you disable sense on the incredible...would it essentially be an N1 OS wise?
- Would this make updates readily available?
2) If you were to disable sense on this already beastly phone, would it become i guess even more beastly since you wouldn't be using up extra processor needed to run sense?
I dig phones, but don't really get tech. I don't even know what the **** ram and ROM and SD cards are in regards to a phone...so just curious about these things. In laymen terms please...
Yes, I do believe there is a toggle option in the settings that you can switch from Sense to semi-vanilla Android (Droid Eris users do this)
Problem is, Sense is so integrated into the platform that you cannot FULLY get rid of it. There will ALWAYS be some element of Sense in the OS. I would assume, yes, you will get a slight increase in performance but probably nothing worth noting.
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Seidio makes a 1600 mah battery for nexus one that fits with original battery door. They also make 3200 mah battery that makes the phone a little thicker. Hopefully they will produce something for the incredible. 1600 would be nice if it fits without making phone thicker. 3200 would be some awesome power even if it did make phone thicker. Has anyone seen the mophie juice packs for the iPhone?? Why isn't there anything like that available for phones like the nexus one or the incredible when it comes?
I would think with any larger aftermarket battery, you're going to need an aftermarket backplate due to the weird contour/shape of the original one. The original one seems to "fit just right" onto the back of the phone, and seems molded into that shape. This may not be a bad thing, as I'm sure some company will sell smooth, flat backplates which, abeit a little thicker, won't have the weird angles on it.
1) If you disable sense on the incredible...would it essentially be an N1 OS wise?
- Would this make updates readily available?
2) If you were to disable sense on this already beastly phone, would it become i guess even more beastly since you wouldn't be using up extra processor needed to run sense?
I dig phones, but don't really get tech. I don't even know what the **** ram and ROM and SD cards are in regards to a phone...so just curious about these things. In laymen terms please...
The Nexus One doesn't have an exclusive OS. Its the basic Android Operating System ( OS). Well for your first question I cant help you here cause I really dont know but it seems logical that would happen. Your second question tho Yes it would be even beastlier. Sense is just an application on android. Its just a layer on top of Android. That means the processor is working harder to run that extra application.
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I dig phones, but don't really get tech. I don't even know what the **** ram and ROM and SD cards are in regards to a phone...so just curious about these things. In laymen terms please...
Do you understand those things when compared to computers? Its the exact same thing, essentially. RAM is the memory that is pulled when you need something done immediately (a la opening an app). This, with the addition of the processor, is more of the "performance" category.. how fast something happens (Hence the name Random Access Memory). Obviously, the more RAM, and the faster the processor, the faster something happens, thus better "performance."
ROM/flash memory is like the harddrive to your phone. The OS (Android) is stored within here, kind of like how MS Windows is stored on your harddrive. microSD cards are like the external harddrives to computers. They are extra storage spaces that you can plug into your phone to store things like photos and songs.
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I think Supraman21 is more worried about how fashionable the phone is than how well it functions.
Actually no I just prefer the all in one package. I dont want to pick up my phone everyday and say wth where they thinking when designing this. That type of stuff just bothers me. If I want style id go with the iPhone if I want functionality and better internal hardware id go with the Incredible. I want something that has both for it to really justify my purchase.
This thread is like heroin. I get the shakes when I can't get to a computer and update every 5 seconds or so. What's gonna happen when Incredible is released? Where will I get my fix?
Thanks Stericson, NKT and their moles for all the awesome info. I truly hope that no one gets in trouble - they've risked a lot to feed the seagulls (yes, we are no better than seagulls).
Actually no I just prefer the all in one package. I dont want to pick up my phone everyday and say wth where they thinking when designing this. That type of stuff just bothers me. If I want style id go with the iPhone if I want functionality and better internal hardware id go with the Incredible. I want something that has both for it to really justify my purchase.
Honestly, I think once it comes out we will all be pleased. HTC isn't known for making butt ugly phones, right? I don't think they'll start now. At least it isn't shaped like that wacky Nokia swivel hinge thingy. Ugh on that one.
The Nexus One doesn't have an exclusive OS. Its the basic Android Operating System ( OS). Well for your first question I cant help you here cause I really dont know but it seems logical that would happen. Your second question tho Yes it would be even beastlier. Sense is just an application on android. Its just a layer on top of Android. That means the processor is working harder to run that extra application.
Seems like most people are overestimating what Sense is doing. Why would it take any more horsepower? I mean when the weather widgets drawing full screen stuff is just like a live wallpaper. The loader at the bottom of the screen isn't going to be any different processing wise except when you are moving between home screens. Even then it isn't doing much drawing wise. Most of sense is their widgets which while very pretty don't seem to be doing much except pulling data from the internet and displaying that info. If you disable sense you just get stock android, at probably the exact same speed. You just lose the extra pretty.
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Do you understand those things when compared to computers? Its the exact same thing, essentially. RAM is the memory that is pulled when you need something done immediately (a la opening an app). This, with the addition of the processor, is more of the "performance" category.. how fast something happens (Hence the name Random Access Memory). Obviously, the more RAM, and the faster the processor, the faster something happens, thus better "performance."
ROM/flash memory is like the harddrive to your phone. The OS (Android) is stored within here, kind of like how MS Windows is stored on your harddrive. microSD cards are like the external harddrives to computers. They are extra storage spaces that you can plug into your phone to store things like photos and songs.
