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Old February 7th, 2010, 11:09 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Too bad HD video doesn't matter to me. Right now it's a toss-up.

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Exactly my thoughts Nash. The bigger image sensor for HD is the cause for the larger lens. While the Droid takes nice video, having a phone that takes 720p is much more desirable in my book. On a side note, I also do not really like the back, BUT I will be slapping a cover on this bad boy anyway to protect it. This will be me for 2 years baby! I got the Eris and now it will be heading back to Verizon (still within my 30 days )!
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Exactly! The phone of all phones is FINALLY on the horizon and you Sallies bitch about the color of the BACK?? Really?!? Can't be seen amongst your buddies having a phone with a red back? Wow.... peer pressure still affects you guys that much??? Dayummm.....
Awesome assumption that we care for the color due to who we want to impress

If we don't like a color, we don't like a color. simple as that.

Who the f*** want's to paint their own covers? If others are available upon launch, if that is even necessary, then great.
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So what's your guys' best guess as to when it'll hit Big Red? March? April? Just looking for your opinions on this, not gonna hold you to anything!
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Awesome assumption that we care for the color due to who we want to impress

If we don't like a color, we don't like a color. simple as that.

Who the f*** want's to paint their own covers? If others are available upon launch, if that is even necessary, then great.

Oops... musta struck a nerve there! Sowwy...
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Well, we have all been lusting after the much slicker industrial design of the Bravo. These pictures are certainly a departure from that but as long as the specs don't lag too far behind the N1, it will still be a winner.
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Exactly my thoughts Nash. The bigger image sensor for HD is the cause for the larger lens. While the Droid takes nice video, having a phone that takes 720p is much more desirable in my book. On a side note, I also do not really like the back, BUT I will be slapping a cover on this bad boy anyway to protect it. This will be me for 2 years baby! I got the Eris and now it will be heading back to Verizon (still within my 30 days )!
Yep, take that Eris back and upgrade to the big boy version. I couldn't be more stoked than I am right now for this phone. Let's hope we don't have to wait till April now. I don't know how much more of this I can handle. haha
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Well, we have all been lusting after the much slicker industrial design of the Bravo. These pictures are certainly a departure from that but as long as the specs don't lag too far behind the N1, it will still be a winner.
cant complain there...
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On the topic of RAM. The Nexus one has 512 Megs of physical RAM. However it currently is incapable of utilizing all of it. I think most threads concerning this states that it is currently limited to somewhere around 196 Megs of RAM. An OTA update is suppose to recover some of this lost RAM but even then it is theorized to only gain you maybe 100 to 150 more megs. What I'm getting at is that while 512 megs of RAM would be nice, even at 256 Megs we will not be significantly behind the Nexus One out of the gate for some time. Also the amount of RAM for the Incredible is still rumor only anyway. Time will tell.
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So what's your guys' best guess as to when it'll hit Big Red? March? April? Just looking for your opinions on this, not gonna hold you to anything!
The article below:

HTC Incredible seen running Android 2.1 on Verizon | Electronista

points out that:

"Its shipping window is still largely an unknown, but the CTIA show in late March is likely to be the launch point for a number of US-focused phones."

and CITA is March 23-25

https://registration.itnintl.com/CTIAWIRELESS10/RegOnline/regLogin.aspx

So, maybe sometime after that?
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I must admit, a part of me was hoping to see a 4.3" screen even though deep down I knew it would be too big. Despite only having 5-7mm over an iphone, which was already pushing the limits of what would fit in my pocket comfortably, I think this will be easy to live with and I really cannot wait to get one into my pocket.
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I'm excited to see this phone in person. Hopefully it will be here this month.
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On a side note (but an IMPORTANT one):

The HTC Nexus One comes in with a VERY HIGH SAR (radiation level)... and since the bravo/passion/incredible are pretty much the same phone then one should be concerned that they will also carry a HIGH radiation level!

FYI:

Nexus One SAR (radiation rating) from the owners manual (page 26) is:
0.867 w/kg Head @ 1g
1.39 w/kg Body @ 1g

0.823 w/kg Head @ 10g
1.53 w/kg Body @ 10g

The US absolute limit is 1.6!
So you can see that the Nexus One comes VERY close to this!

The iphone 3Gs is around 0.79 (as a comparison)



Food for thought!
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I hope the weather/clock widget has animation like the HD2, which is definitly a nice looking widget to have on the phone.
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On a side note (but an IMPORTANT one):

The HTC Nexus One comes in with a VERY HIGH SAR (radiation level)... and since the bravo/passion/incredible are pretty much the same phone then one should be concerned that they will also carry a HIGH radiation level!

FYI:

Nexus One SAR (radiation rating) from the owners manual (page 26) is:
0.867 w/kg Head @ 1g
1.39 w/kg Body @ 1g

0.823 w/kg Head @ 10g
1.53 w/kg Body @ 10g

The US absolute limit is 1.6!
So you can see that the Nexus One comes VERY close to this!

The iphone 3Gs is around 0.79 (as a comparison)



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On a side note (but an IMPORTANT one):

The HTC Nexus One comes in with a VERY HIGH SAR (radiation level)... and since the bravo/passion/incredible are pretty much the same phone then one should be concerned that they will also carry a HIGH radiation level!

FYI:

Nexus One SAR (radiation rating) from the owners manual (page 26) is:
0.867 w/kg Head @ 1g
1.39 w/kg Body @ 1g

0.823 w/kg Head @ 10g
1.53 w/kg Body @ 10g

The US absolute limit is 1.6!
So you can see that the Nexus One comes VERY close to this!

The iphone 3Gs is around 0.79 (as a comparison)



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I agree with everything you said completely, except that you think the back looks brown. I've heard a few other people say this, but it looks RED to me. I mean, fire engine red. It could be people's monitors or video cards or it could be that different people have different perceptions of color. Cause, that thing is nothing but red red red to me.
not to mention the fact that earlier reports were that the phone was red... all its missing is the utility belt and underroos.
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On the topic of RAM. The Nexus one has 512 Megs of physical RAM. However it currently is incapable of utilizing all of it. I think most threads concerning this states that it is currently limited to somewhere around 196 Megs of RAM. An OTA update is suppose to recover some of this lost RAM but even then it is theorized to only gain you maybe 100 to 150 more megs. What I'm getting at is that while 512 megs of RAM would be nice, even at 256 Megs we will not be significantly behind the Nexus One out of the gate for some time. Also the amount of RAM for the Incredible is still rumor only anyway. Time will tell.
Isnt the only real limitation of 256 megs of RAM how many apps you at the same time? on the Palm Pre the difference was 13 apps to 50. I would imagine 13 at once would work well enough for most people.
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Isnt the only real limitation of 256 megs of RAM how many apps you at the same time? on the Palm Pre the difference was 13 apps to 50. I would imagine 13 at once would work well enough for most people.
I would think it would also have an impact on decoding and HD capture. It would also be interesting to know what the "peak" (spike) system demand is during the very opening of applications, sliding screens, etc...
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I assumed that the more apps/programs you install, the less ram you have. At some point the phone will slow down with little ram available.

That's the reason for apps to SD proposal-hopefully google is working on it.

Again, we have heard early specs-many subject to change.
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I assumed that the more apps/programs you install, the less ram you have. At some point the phone will slow down with little ram available.

That's the reason for apps to SD proposal-hopefully google is working on it.

Again, we have heard early specs-many subject to change.
I think this is where there is still confusion among some people about the role of RAM vs. ROM. Think of it was Concurrency vs. Capacity. The apps to SD card addresses a capacity constraint but not a concurrency constraint. The more apps you run (or widgets, background processes, etc...) the more RAM you eat up, the question is how much RAM is enough. I have a Droid (256MB) and the phone is fast and snappy but i still do notice occassional "laggyness" when switching screens or something like that, however, is that a RAM problem? (I don't know, but i don't think so) I have anywhere between 70-135 MB free at all times but i wonder if there is a "peak" demand for RAM that the system can't satisfy in which case it would benefit from more. In my car audio days it was akin to peak wattage handling and RMS (sustained).

I subscribe to the "there's no replacement for displacement" mentality and RAM is no different (definitely no Dodge pun intended)...
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As for the RAM discussion, I can't fathom why they would do less than 1GB in "top tier" phones. RAM is dirt cheap nowadays, and even if Android can't address all of it now, it surely will be able to with subsequent updates. If lessons learned from the PC world transfer to smart phones (and I don't see why they wouldn't), RAM capacity is a far more important figure to me than processor speed... Unless I get one of these newfangled doohickeys and suddenly decide I want to play lots of games on it.

As for HD video recording, I won't say that I couldn't care less, but it's way, WAY down on the list of things I care about. Give me RAM. Give me a clear, bright, screen. Give me decent battery life. Make it a good PHONE. Make it as thin as humanly possible. And for God's sake, somebody make me a damn 32 GB microSD card.
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Is the technology there yet to be able to fit 1gb of ram into a cell phone? I'm thinking even if it is possable right now, it can't be cheap!
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Excellent news. Well glad at least there are pics/specs, which is much more than most of us had for the Passion/Bravo.

Knowing Verizon, I'd say its usually 2-3 months from initial pic/specs leak till it hits stores. So its beginning of February now...if we are lucky, this comes out end of March, but most like middle of April. So this may come out the same time as N1, so it will be interesting to see which one most of us get.
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They are listing some specs here. It looks like they are getting them from the Bravo brochure that listed it as the "Incredible" in the description a couple different times. If so it is listed w/ 512 ram, divx and dolby. If those specs are correct this thing is going to be, well, incredible.

HTC Incredible: Verizon's New All-Touch Phone Runs Android 2.1
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They are listing some specs here. It looks like they are getting them from the Bravo brochure that listed it as the "Incredible" in the description a couple different times. If so it is listed w/ 512 ram, divx and dolby. If those specs are correct this thing is going to be, well, incredible.

HTC Incredible: Verizon's New All-Touch Phone Runs Android 2.1
If that is all true, then I say the Incredible is a no-brainer for me. Wouldn't make sense to me for Verizon to hold on to this phone and release it within a month of the N1 to have it be a lesser phone than the N1.
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^^^definitley...hope this is true, and hope it comes to VZW real fast
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They are listing some specs here. It looks like they are getting them from the Bravo brochure that listed it as the "Incredible" in the description a couple different times. If so it is listed w/ 512 ram, divx and dolby. If those specs are correct this thing is going to be, well, incredible.

HTC Incredible: Verizon's New All-Touch Phone Runs Android 2.1
That's what i thought as well which is why i was surprised to see it listed as 256 MB in the most recent reports.
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I know some people on this forum have some Verizon connections (that have been mentioned in the past), I think it is definitely time to start questioning them about a release date.... 2-3 months would be awfully long to wait for a phone that is just barely better than the N1 (and even that is debatable).
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I know some people on this forum have some Verizon connections (that have been mentioned in the past), I think it is definitely time to start questioning them about a release date.... 2-3 months would be awfully long to wait for a phone that is just barely better than the N1 (and even that is debatable).
Nobody even knows when the N1 is coming out, just in the spring, which means at least 3/21.

I think they are going to treat the N1 just like Tmobile is, no family plans, no NE2, but that is just speculation.

The Incredible may only barely be better or about equal to the N1, but when it comes to the other things like support, discounts, and ability to use on a family plan it will push it over the top IMO.
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I'm really curious as to the physical specs of the Incredible. It looks REALLY tall compared to it's width, which makes it look somewhat awkward. To me, that is a bigger turn off than the crazy red back. From the released pics, I like the look of the N1 and the recently leaked Legend more than this.
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I'm really curious as to the physical specs of the Incredible. It looks REALLY tall compared to it's width, which makes it look somewhat awkward. To me, that is a bigger turn off than the crazy red back. From the released pics, I like the look of the N1 and the recently leaked Legend more than this.
I was thinking and curious about the same thing...it seems very tall (not unlike the Droid) and i don't have a good feel for its thickness.
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I was thinking and curious about the same thing...it seems very tall (not unlike the Droid) and i don't have a good feel for its thickness.
When I was watching the film of the incredible it still looks relatively thin when they flipped it over and back. Is it taller than the nexus one? I donít know maybe it just seams that way because itís not as rounded at the top? I canít wait to see more from this bad boy.
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Since the Legend has also had leaked pics I am thinking we'll be seeing more and more leaks of HTC phones this week leading up to MWC next monday. Fun week ahead!
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Since the Legend has also had leaked pics I am thinking we'll be seeing more and more leaks of HTC phones this week leading up to MWC next monday. Fun week ahead!
Yep, i'm definitely looking forward to the next week of news and leaks.
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A post on the Unlockr lists this as CDMA version of Bravo. While this has long been speculated, i'm not sure if this comment on the Unlockr is any way any more substantiated or if they're "just running with it".
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They are listing some specs here. It looks like they are getting them from the Bravo brochure that listed it as the "Incredible" in the description a couple different times. If so it is listed w/ 512 ram, divx and dolby. If those specs are correct this thing is going to be, well, incredible.

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I thought the Bravo in the brochure topped out at 320mb RAM?
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Does anyone have a working link for the video?
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I'm really curious as to the physical specs of the Incredible. It looks REALLY tall compared to it's width, which makes it look somewhat awkward. To me, that is a bigger turn off than the crazy red back. From the released pics, I like the look of the N1 and the recently leaked Legend more than this.

A 3.2" screen makes the legend not an option.
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I thought the Bravo in the brochure topped out at 320mb RAM?
I'm going off what the site said. But I think you're right in that the brochure said 256 and somebody reported it was going to be 320 mb in the US

I can't remember what the brochure said exactly. Maybe they are talking about 512mb for ROM.



You can still see the video on Youtube.
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I'm going off what the site said. But I think you're right in that the brochure said 256 and somebody reported it was going to be 320 mb in the US

I can't remember what the brochure said exactly. Maybe they are talking about 512mb for ROM.



You can still see the video on Youtube.
Its the difference between roadmaps in October and December. The December roadmap has the RAM at 320mb for the Bravo. Though the Supersonic and Incredible look more like cousins to the Legend then the Bravo, at least with their button configuration.

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I'm going off what the site said. But I think you're right in that the brochure said 256 and somebody reported it was going to be 320 mb in the US

I can't remember what the brochure said exactly. Maybe they are talking about 512mb for ROM.



You can still see the video on Youtube.
Thanks for the info on the YouTube video, I was unaware that it was out there. The phone looks pretty fast and very nice, I'm kind of up in the air between this and the N1 now.
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A post on the Unlockr lists this as CDMA version of Bravo. While this has long been speculated, i'm not sure if this comment on the Unlockr is any way any more substantiated or if they're "just running with it".
Really any need to differentiate? I mean, Bravo, Incredible, whatever right.. they're not going to release 2 sense ui droids...

Oh i see, you mean in the efforts to speculate on specs? Sorry...
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they're not going to release 2 sense ui droids...
yes they will.. bravo in the europe, incredible for usa
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Is color really an issue for some of you? A protective case takes care of this issue for most and it's really about the phone and what it can do.

For me, I'm a Buccaneers fan...Buccaneers Red - it was made for me!
I'm all in....now if we can just find out the release date!
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yes they will.. bravo in the europe, incredible for usa
sorry i'm talking about for verizon usa only
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So...I originally, we all pretty much did, thought that the Incredible was going to be Verizon's version of the Bravo. Well, after seeing pictures of the Bravo and of the Legend, the Incredible looks much more like the Legend to me. However, the Incredible has a larger screen. So, I think that all of these phones are just different phones all together. Not even variants of each other. When we saw the phone names from the leaked 2.1 Android rom there were names listed: Passion, Supersonic, Legend, Bravo, Incredible, etc. So, I now believe that all of those phones are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT phones. No lines blurred, no variants of one another. Just all completely different models. So...while everyone thought it was such a big move that Google had HTC make them their OWN phone, just for them, I think it's quite impressive that Verizon seems to have done the same thing. The Incredible is very unique and it looks like, to me, that it is a Verizon exclusive phone. I think that's pretty cool.
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Incredible looks like the Bravo with capacitive buttons to me from the front.

I think you need to look at these different phones as having interchangeable parts like if you build your own PC. One phone may have a different cpu, so they have different drivers loaded in the OS for that. Another might have a different radio/antenna (think NIC card) , different drivers for that. Different buttons (keyboard drivers). Screen difference (monitor drivers). The outside shell is just a molded case, everything else they can swap in and out without a huge deal. Once everything is finalized they just make adjustments to the assemble phase as needed.

The only part we see is the aesthetics and we make a big deal about it, but it probably isn't a huge deal for them to make changes when google or verizon is making big orders for their needs.
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