Thanks for the info and for coming out of the closet. Personally, I'm trying to figure out why the heck I'd need an HDMI port on my telephone, for Pete's sake. I wait and wait and wait for the next new model, just like other geeks, but when the Incredible comes, I'm getting on that train!
I've been thinking about this feature a lot, too. I like to have the latest and coolest, but HDMI on a phone would be as useful as (looks around kitchen.....) a remote for the coffee maker. To me, HDMI on a phone has potential in two ways; first, to display media that was already on a phone to a high-def TV or monitor, or to stream media from somewhere else to a high-def TV or monitor.
Media on a phone would include pictures or movies that you've taken with its camera, or media (movies, recorded tv, etc) that you've gotten from elsewhere that you're storing in onboard memory or an SD card. Displaying photos or movies that you've captured with the camera makes sense IF you depend heavily on your phone camera (as opposed to a digital or film camera) and if the quality of the phone camera is such that the pictures it takes will be worthy of blowing up to big-screen size. At my daughter's college graduation next month you can be sure the phone will be in my purse and the "real" camera will be out. On the rare occasion that I'd use the phone's camera in preference to a "real" camera it's not too hard to get the pictures out of a phone anyway, as a USB port for a card reader or even SD readers are built into HDTVs and monitors today.
Media files stored on the phone would have to be of sufficient size/quality to make them look good when blown up to HDTV size. I record TV shows on my HTPC, then shrink the files and store them on my phone for later viewing. These files are about 100 MB for a half hour show. I also use Fair Use Wizard to shrink DVDs that we own down the same way - these files are maybe 250-500 MB for a full length movie. Here's the thing a movie (about 250 MB) looked fine on my current phone's 2.8" 240x320 screen, but when I blew it up to view on our big screen HDTV, it looked just awful - not enough data. For a stored movie to fill up the Incredible's screen (3.7", 480 x 800) I'm guessing (someone, please correct me if I'm wrong) it would take roughly 5 times as much data to fill it up for what I'm sure will be a much nicer, sharper picture. But if you use HDMI to watch it on a big screen TV, I'm pretty sure it'll still look bad, unless you convert your media to a much bigger file. Then you'll end up taking much more of your storage space. For my purposes, it wouldn't be worth the trouble to have to keep switching out a few very large files. I'll either watch it on the Incredible's screen, or use a laptop with HDMI out to watch it on an HDTV. Or just use a DVD player.
Streaming video would be stuff not stored on the phone, like watching TV through a network's website or, maybe someday, movies from Netflix. Once again, seeing it on a 3.7" screen, no problem. I'm having a hard time believing, however, that we'd be able to stream data through a cell phone fast enough to fill up a big screen nicely, or that Verizon would allow that much data to be streamed, even with the "Unlimited" data plan. With the faster networks coming maybe the stream would be sufficient, but I foresee tiered pricing because we'd be talking about a LOT of data, and I can't see Verizon giving that for $39 a month. What would prevent people from canceling their cable if they could watch their favorite shows the next day in High def from the network's site through their phones on their big TVs?
To sum up, I don't think HDMI is a feature worth waiting for on a phone, and if people have it, it will eventually end up costing us more in our plans.
Sorry for the long and somewhat redundant post - I had to test and research while typing.
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ROM stands for Read Only Memory. Meaning, you can't change it, it's just there. This is reserved for the OS's basic functions.
RAM is Random Access Memory. This is the memory used when you access programs and such. I'm no phone expert, but I believe in phones, this is the memory where you would store things like apps and media.
Someone went through this wayyy back in the forum who was a cell tech savvy guy, and I'm not by any means a cell phone tech expert (although I did stay at a holiday inn express last night)
But from what I remember he said was that you shouldn't get caught up in the ROM name (You are 100% right on what it stands for) but that technically a HDD on a computer is ROM, and it can be used to store info, files etc (they also said I believe that eventually we should be able to use it to store Apps, but we aren't there yet software wise).
Again this is from my memory from what someone else said, but there was a good discussion about it early on.
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Can anyone clear up a couple things for a tech-newbie such as myself?
What is the difference between 1 Gb of RAM and 6 Gb of ROM?
Does this refer to what we on computers call "storage space"?
If it's regular memory like on a computer and not storage space will the 6 Gb of ROM (which sounds like an awful lot) help play streaming video better, i.e. make it not so choppy?
thanks in advance to whomever can answer this so a fifth grader can understand!
Straight from wikipedia:
Read-only memory (usually known by its acronym, ROM) is a class of storage media used in computers and other electronic devices. Because data stored in ROM cannot be modified (at least not very quickly or easily), it is mainly used to distribute firmware (software that is very closely tied to specific hardware, and unlikely to require frequent updates)
In its strictest sense, ROM refers only to mask ROM (the oldest type of solid state ROM), which is fabricated with the desired data permanently stored in it, and thus can never be modified. However, more modern types such as EPROM and flash EEPROM can be erased and re-programmed multiple times; they are still described as "read-only memory"(ROM) because the reprogramming process is generally infrequent, comparatively slow, and often does not permit random access writes to individual memory locations. Despite the simplicity of mask ROM, economies of scale and field-programmability often make reprogrammable technologies more flexible and inexpensive, so mask ROM is rarely used in new products as of 2007[update].
So ROM is for software from the manufacturer and updates. When talking about storage for apps and pictures I believe they would say onboard flash or installed microSD card.
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hey guys been following this post since february, signed up today cause i figured i'd leave another checked a verizon store today post. take from it what you want.
i was running errands today and swung by a verizon store. the guy working there came up to me and i explained that i am an att customer and was thinking about switching. i tell him im interested in an android phone and it seemed as if he became more interested in helping me me immediately. he told me about the eris and the droid. i asked him if they had any newer andoid phones, so he showed me the devour. i told him i was more interested in any newer phones that may be coming out. i told him i had read about the sprint evo and wanted something like that. he told me he didn't have any info on any new phones coming out. he then tells me that even if he did he wouldn't be allowed to say anything about them, and then he gives me an exaggerated wink and a big smile. he then asks if i wanted to be called when a new phone does come out, and i said sure. he takes my info and then tells me he will be calling me in a couple of weeks with another big smile. he was definitely implying to me something is coming in the next few weeks, but he couldn't taalk about sort of thing. just thought i would share my experience with yall. take from it what you will. keep up the good work.
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Someone went through this wayyy back in the forum who was a cell tech savvy guy, and I'm not by any means a cell phone tech expert (although I did stay at a holiday inn express last night)
But from what I remember he said was that you shouldn't get caught up in the ROM name (You are 100% right on what it stands for) but that technically a HDD on a computer is ROM, and it can be used to store info, files etc (they also said I believe that eventually we should be able to use it to store Apps, but we aren't there yet software wise).
Again this is from my memory from what someone else said, but there was a good discussion about it early on.
ROM on the phone is where your apps are stored. I believe when he mentioned being able to store apps in the future he was probably talking about external memory. Google is working on adding that supposedly.
Can anyone clear up a couple things for a tech-newbie such as myself?
What is the difference between 1 Gb of RAM and 6 Gb of ROM?
Does this refer to what we on computers call "storage space"?
If it's regular memory like on a computer and not storage space will the 6 Gb of ROM (which sounds like an awful lot) help play streaming video better, i.e. make it not so choppy?
thanks in advance to whomever can answer this so a fifth grader can understand!
ROM = Computer HDD
RAM = Computer RAM
Here's a non-tech example of CPU, RAM and ROM (not trying to insult your intelligence, but just another way to explain it).
Imagine you are at a desk with a file cabinet behind you. You are the CPU, the desk is the RAM and the file cabinet is the ROM. The faster you are, the more you can get done. The larger your desk, the more things you can have sitting out for easy access and switching between tasks quickly. The larger your file cabinet, the more thing you can keep in storage and have access to, although the access is slower. Hope this helps. If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me.
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I've been thinking about this feature a lot, too. I like to have the latest and coolest, but HDMI on a phone would be as useful as (looks around kitchen.....) a remote for the coffee maker. To me, HDMI on a phone has potential in two ways; first, to display media that was already on a phone to a high-def TV or monitor, or to stream media from somewhere else to a high-def TV or monitor.
Media on a phone would include pictures or movies that you've taken with its camera, or media (movies, recorded tv, etc) that you've gotten from elsewhere that you're storing in onboard memory or an SD card. Displaying photos or movies that you've captured with the camera makes sense IF you depend heavily on your phone camera (as opposed to a digital or film camera) and if the quality of the phone camera is such that the pictures it takes will be worthy of blowing up to big-screen size. At my daughter's college graduation next month you can be sure the phone will be in my purse and the "real" camera will be out. On the rare occasion that I'd use the phone's camera in preference to a "real" camera it's not too hard to get the pictures out of a phone anyway, as a USB port for a card reader or even SD readers are built into HDTVs and monitors today.
Media files stored on the phone would have to be of sufficient size/quality to make them look good when blown up to HDTV size. I record TV shows on my HTPC, then shrink the files and store them on my phone for later viewing. These files are about 100 MB for a half hour show. I also use Fair Use Wizard to shrink DVDs that we own down the same way - these files are maybe 250-500 MB for a full length movie. Here's the thing a movie (about 250 MB) looked fine on my current phone's 2.8" 240x320 screen, but when I blew it up to view on our big screen HDTV, it looked just awful - not enough data. For a stored movie to fill up the Incredible's screen (3.7", 480 x 800) I'm guessing (someone, please correct me if I'm wrong) it would take roughly 5 times as much data to fill it up for what I'm sure will be a much nicer, sharper picture. But if you use HDMI to watch it on a big screen TV, I'm pretty sure it'll still look bad, unless you convert your media to a much bigger file. Then you'll end up taking much more of your storage space. For my purposes, it wouldn't be worth the trouble to have to keep switching out a few very large files. I'll either watch it on the Incredible's screen, or use a laptop with HDMI out to watch it on an HDTV. Or just use a DVD player.
Streaming video would be stuff not stored on the phone, like watching TV through a network's website or, maybe someday, movies from Netflix. Once again, seeing it on a 3.7" screen, no problem. I'm having a hard time believing, however, that we'd be able to stream data through a cell phone fast enough to fill up a big screen nicely, or that Verizon would allow that much data to be streamed, even with the "Unlimited" data plan. With the faster networks coming maybe the stream would be sufficient, but I foresee tiered pricing because we'd be talking about a LOT of data, and I can't see Verizon giving that for $39 a month. What would prevent people from canceling their cable if they could watch their favorite shows the next day in High def from the network's site through their phones on their big TVs?
To sum up, I don't think HDMI is a feature worth waiting for on a phone, and if people have it, it will eventually end up costing us more in our plans.
so I think what you're saying is you'll get a better picture by just going into your laptop first or if laptop doesn't have HDMI (which mine doesn't) into a HD Media Player (which I do have connected to my TV) rather than playing it directly from phone into TV?
I did want to point out, though, that a 8 MP camera (which the Incredible) is supposed to have seems more than adequate to get good quality photos and 720p video is fine also, so I really wouldn't need to carry a digital camera and flip video around on vacation like I do now?
hey guys been following this post since february, signed up today cause i figured i'd leave another checked a verizon store today post. take from it what you want.
i was running errands today and swung by a verizon store. the guy working there came up to me and i explained that i am an att customer and was thinking about switching. i tell him im interested in an android phone and it seemed as if he became more interested in helping me me immediately. he told me about the eris and the droid. i asked him if they had any newer andoid phones, so he showed me the devour. i told him i was more interested in any newer phones that may be coming out. i told him i had read about the sprint evo and wanted something like that. he told me he didn't have any info on any new phones coming out. he then tells me that even if he did he wouldn't be allowed to say anything about them, and then he gives me an exaggerated wink and a big smile. he then asks if i wanted to be called when a new phone does come out, and i said sure. he takes my info and then tells me he will be calling me in a couple of weeks with another big smile. he was definitely implying to me something is coming in the next few weeks, but he couldn't taalk about sort of thing. just thought i would share my experience with yall. take from it what you will. keep up the good work.
That's kind of what I was wondering. We have had discussions about our personal preferences of whether or not we'd choose the N1 over the Incredible, and vice-versa...but does the carrier actually have a preference? Maybe Kbusch and some others that have worked within the industry can comment, but would there be an incentive for say Verizon to have one device sell better than the other?
I believe Kbusch said that Verizon would actually lose money on the device itself while recouping that in data charges - but maybe they would be subsidizing both devices equally?
Verizon could care less about which phone we purchase, as long as we sign up with them for a plan they make money.
You know there is a problem in this country when the plans to Marine 1 get leaked online but we can't convince a $9.75 an hr Verizon employee to tell us about a GD phone
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In reality Verizon probably hopes everyone buys a N1 at full price from Google, and then uses it on their network. They don't give any discount for non-subsidized devices, and they're data plans are all profit, and aren't reimbursing Verizon for their upfront subsidy.
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I'm going to get the Incredible but my next phone after that will undoubtedly have an hdmi port. With a 32 gb card I can load several full DVDs 3-7 gbs per dvd) on there when I make trips or remotely access my home computer and download a movie from one of my several external hard drives and play them on a tv wherever I'm at if I choose to.
Here's the thing, people laugh about having only one device to do multiple things but we are definitely moving in that direction. Phones now are powerful enough to run full featured word processing and other productivity software. I'm looking forward to the day I can plug my phone into a docking station at work and take advantage of the hdmi and usb connection.
We've already made evolutionary progressions in cell phone technology over the last 15 years. It's grown from a phone to combining a PDA, email, internet, games, media, etc. Hell, many people like me use it as their alarm clock in the morning too. As processing, battery, and storage improvements are made, it will start to replace full size computers.
Maybe I'm just always looking to get the most out of my electronics but HDMI seems like a no-brainer to me.
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VZW is an embarrasment in regards to the launch of the two HTC phones. what a joke, it seriously is a joke now. this thread is almost embarrassing. i dont mean that negatively to all of the people participating in it just the fact that it even has had to go this long. oh well, im lovin my drizzoid. i still check here everyday though. if the inc is announced within my 30 days and confirmed to not have the same screen as N1, the Droids going back. it will be a sad day to send it back i cant imagine a phone being much better than that.
You know there is a problem in this country when the plans to Marine 1 get leaked online but we can't convince a $9.75 an hr Verizon employee to tell us about a GD phone
They can't tell us what they don't know and it's my understanding that for the most part they are the last to know about the new phones and I think any training involving the Incredible would be minimal considering it's running Android OS just like the Droid,Eris and Devour.
What we should have done is collectively pulled an April Fools Joke on the whole tech community for getting all their Info from us.
It would have taken a coordinated effort, but we could have done it.
Made up some crazy new spec (comes with 32gb card), or "we have a concrete release date from a credible source!"
Would have loved to see every tech site run with the story while we all get a good laugh.
Or, the Incredible has been released as the "Genesis One" packed with a 5 ghz processor, 6" screen, 10mp infra-red capable camera with halogen flash, laser pointer, HDTV tuner, global capability, Bose surround sound amplified mini-speakers, video conferencing, 3500 MaH battery and all for $99 with no contract necessary.
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I'd expect as soon as it's confirmed everyone will take off to the store.....so I'm going with the under
I doubt they'll annouce/release at the same time. They haven't done that in the past that I know of, so I don't think they'd start here. I think Apple has a patent on the simultaneous announcement/release anyway.
I'm going to get the Incredible but my next phone after that will undoubtedly have an hdmi port. With a 32 gb card I can load several full DVDs 3-7 gbs per dvd) on there when I make trips or remotely access my home computer and download a movie from one of my several external hard drives and play them on a tv wherever I'm at if I choose to.
Here's the thing, people laugh about having only one device to do multiple things but we are definitely moving in that direction. Phones now are powerful enough to run full featured word processing and other productivity software. I'm looking forward to the day I can plug my phone into a docking station at work and take advantage of the hdmi and usb connection.
We've already made evolutionary progressions in cell phone technology over the last 15 years. It's grown from a phone to combining a PDA, email, internet, games, media, etc. Hell, many people like me use it as their alarm clock in the morning too. As processing, battery, and storage improvements are made, it will start to replace full size computers.
Maybe I'm just always looking to get the most out of my electronics but HDMI seems like a no-brainer to me.
They make external HDDs that have HDMI ports built right in. Comes with a remote and everything. Plug in and go! Hello TB of movies/pics on the go!
They can't tell us what they don't know and it's my understanding that for the most part they are the last to know about the new phones and I think any training involving the Incredible would be minimal considering it's running Android OS just like the Droid,Eris and Devour.
Store employees know nothing. I doubt an entire country of minimum wage employees are keeping this thing under wraps for fear of losing such a well paying job.......lol At a MINIMUM, they would be telling thier family and friends. There are no more secrets in the age of the internet. Ask Tiger Woods.
I'm saying that with an HDMI port people will want to stream more through their phones. More data means more strain on the network.
I don't think they'll increase data plan rates anytime soon even with the extra strain on the network because once they have LTE up and running they are planning on a tiered data plan system anyhow and it will no longer be unlimited.
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I'm going to get the Incredible but my next phone after that will undoubtedly have an hdmi port. With a 32 gb card I can load several full DVDs 3-7 gbs per dvd) on there when I make trips or remotely access my home computer and download a movie from one of my several external hard drives and play them on a tv wherever I'm at if I choose to.
Here's the thing, people laugh about having only one device to do multiple things but we are definitely moving in that direction. Phones now are powerful enough to run full featured word processing and other productivity software. I'm looking forward to the day I can plug my phone into a docking station at work and take advantage of the hdmi and usb connection.
We've already made evolutionary progressions in cell phone technology over the last 15 years. It's grown from a phone to combining a PDA, email, internet, games, media, etc. Hell, many people like me use it as their alarm clock in the morning too. As processing, battery, and storage improvements are made, it will start to replace full size computers.
Maybe I'm just always looking to get the most out of my electronics but HDMI seems like a no-brainer to me.
I couldn't agree with you more, particularly if the picture quality remains true once you transfer up to the TV (which some people here have raised some doubts in my mind as to whether the image would be degraded or not. As I'm not completely tech-savvy I can't dispute it)
Technically yes, but rom is a misnomer. The "rom" in ur phone is really non-volitile flash memory. It holds data after power is removed while RAM must constantly be refreshed.
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I watched the presentation from Sprint on the Evo 4G; when they demo'd the HDMI feature I thought to myself...what would I need that for? Only for what they said, porting out your 720 video to a HD TV. I don't take worth-while videos to port out to a HDTV.
Would you be able to accomplish the same thing via the USB out port to a HDTV...they have USB ports now right?
I'm saying that with an HDMI port people will want to stream more through their phones. More data means more strain on the network.
Or they could be using it to play video shot with the phone.
You could also say that they should charge more if a phone has a headphone jack, because you're more likely to stream music. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I would be surprised if they charged more.
They can't tell us what they don't know and it's my understanding that for the most part they are the last to know about the new phones and I think any training involving the Incredible would be minimal considering it's running Android OS just like the Droid,Eris and Devour.
We've gotten some reps that know whats going on, but they just won't say anything because they don't want to "lose such a prestigious job."
They make external HDDs that have HDMI ports built right in. Comes with a remote and everything. Plug in and go! Hello TB of movies/pics on the go!
And I could do the same with just my phone by remotely accessing my 3 TBs of HDDs at home. Why would I carry them around?
On a slightly different note, I'm not sure if Android is limited to just 32 gb but I can't figure out why they don't include a second micro SD slot in the phones. They take up almost no room and, at least in the case of the Incredible, you could include several of them in the back with all that extra space it has. It seems like it would be great for marketing too when you could advertise up to 64 gbs of storage space...
Well my "righteous indignation" approach hasn't exactly brought earth shattering results (for those who don't what what I'm talking about see the now-defunct "unofficial incredible thread", I'm not going to re-post here). Here's the response so far...
"I'm sorry to hear about your dis-satisfaction with your services through us. My name is XXX and I received your email regarding your concerns about any upcoming services or devices in comparison to other carriers and we understand your concern.
I have forwarded your feedback to our development and marketing group, who handles feedback and suggestions such as what you've provided. If your feedback may need more details or specific information our development and marketing group will be contacting you regarding your email.
It was my pleasure to forward your feedback for you about services we offer. We appreciate your business and thank you for choosing Verizon Wireless. Should you have any further questions, please reply to this email.
Sincerely,
XXX
Verizon Wireless
Customer Service Internet Response"
Maybe the "development and marketing group" will be more offended and feel obliged to defend their honor!
Here's the thing, people laugh about having only one device to do multiple things but we are definitely moving in that direction. Phones now are powerful enough to run full featured word processing and other productivity software. I'm looking forward to the day I can plug my phone into a docking station at work and take advantage of the hdmi and usb connection.
I was thinking earlier if a phone like the Incredible could make my other gadgets redundant. I have a Zune HD for portable media and I doubt the Incredible can top the beautiful UI and ease of use. I have a Canon SD790IS and I doubt the Incredible can even come close to the picture quality of it. And there is no way the Incredible can touch the browsing speed and keyboard of a laptop. But the Incredible is powerful enough that I could leave the other gadgets behind for casual music listening/picture taking/web browsing/ etc. I hate carrying hundreds of dollars worth of electronics with me when they could easily be stolen.
I watched the presentation from Sprint on the Evo 4G; when they demo'd the HDMI feature I thought to myself...what would I need that for? Only for what they said, porting out your 720 video to a HD TV. I don't take worth-while videos to port out to a HDTV.
Would you be able to accomplish the same thing via the USB out port to a HDTV...they have USB ports now right?
I don't believe you would be able to get 720 HD through a USB.
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On the HDMI topic....
I watched the presentation from Sprint on the Evo 4G; when they demo'd the HDMI feature I thought to myself...what would I need that for? Only for what they said, porting out your 720 video to a HD TV. I don't take worth-while videos to port out to a HDTV.
Would you be able to accomplish the same thing via the USB out port to a HDTV...they have USB ports now right?
maybe the newer HDTV's have USB ports, but mine doesn't. I don't think USB on its own can deliver digital audio/video all in one bang like HDMI does.
I could be wrong there, though.
That's why I go from my Flip Video to External Hard Drive to HD Media Player to HDMI port on TV.
But if it's true what Keebler said earlier, that the newer external hard drives have HDMI ports, then the media player isn't even necessary any more.
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Wait are you saying Verizon is going to officially announce a new android phone not called the Droid? Neverrrr
Had a code cutoff this morning, so I had to dedicate myself.....it's hard, cause I had a lot of catching up to do by the time I got back. This forum is like a full time job.
I was thinking earlier if a phone like the Incredible could make my other gadgets redundant. I have a Zune HD for portable media and I doubt the Incredible can top the beautiful UI and ease of use. I have a Canon SD790IS and I doubt the Incredible can even come close to the picture quality of it. And there is no way the Incredible can touch the browsing speed and keyboard of a laptop. But the Incredible is powerful enough that I could leave the other gadgets behind for casual music listening/picture taking/web browsing/ etc. I hate carrying hundreds of dollars worth of electronics with me when they could easily be stolen.
I see where you are coming from. I only use my smart phones for internet and phone calls, I could really care less about any of the media features. I love having my ZuneHD for music/movies. I personally like having multiple devices rather than one "do it all for you" machine.
All of the clowns with iPhones brag how great all of the features are, but by the time someone actually calls them, they don't have any power left because they were too busy fapping to Steve Jobs latest pod cast.
I couldn't agree with you more, particularly if the picture quality remains true once you transfer up to the TV (which some people here have raised some doubts in my mind as to whether the image would be degraded or not. As I'm not completely tech-savvy I can't dispute it)
What they are saying is correct. However, that is because they are severely shrinking the resolution and video size to save space on their phone. If you aren't as worried about space (say you only keep a couple movies on there at a time) you can keep them in a higher resolution and they will display better on a larger screen.
I have all of my dvds in .iso format which is the full video exactly as you see it on the dvd. The only problem with it is that VLC media player is the only player I know that actually plays the .iso format. I doubt I can use it on android right now. There are other formats that preserve video quality pretty well though.
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@ Tonyracing "I don't believe you would be able to get 720 HD through a USB."
I figured 720 wouldn't be possible, just thought that you would be able to get A/V from the USB cable....Now that I think about it, I don't thinks it's possible.
I wish you guys could stay on topic. 
