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Old April 6th, 2010, 10:53 AM   #24951 (permalink)
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Default Searching "HTC Incredible." Short code rant. Keyboards.

Every day I search the web for "HTC Incredible." Then I try, I really try, to read what's there. But the results are (1) almost ALWAYS quoted from this forum, and (2) written so poorly they cause actual brain pain. English is like any other code: If it's written poorly, the brain hitches up trying to figure out if that "to" that seems out of place is supposed to be "too" or "two." (Humans are just lucky that wet ware is more flexible than hardware.) If the code is written badly enough, the program gets misunderstood or a crash occurs (reader leaves).

Why are we so great at code but getting our a$$es kicked in writing and reading comprehension?

How does this relate to the Incredible? Looking for a better keyboard experience. I have a Storm 1 and I am sooooo over it. Hate to type on this d--n thing. Pain in the .... you know.
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He also said "be patient... Good things are coming."

That's the same seizure-inducing phrase the VZWOffers Twitter account keeps using. I think he's trustworthy, but reading that made me develop a weird twitch in my left eye.
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He also said "be patient... Good things are coming."

That's the same seizure-inducing phrase the VZWOffers Twitter account keeps using. I think he's trustworthy, but reading that made me develop a weird twitch in my left eye.

I got that same twitch, but it started after I jointed this forum....
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My money is still on sometime between now and NFL draft. That's within mid April timeframe NKT believes, and also this new info about the Council. If nothing is announced by the draft, then I'm through waiting.
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I'm thinking more and more that this is going to be a June release.
me too...June of 2011
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I got that same twitch, but it started after I jointed this forum....
I see what you did there...
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Alright i got a question before i go Verizon or anything.

Is anyone familiar with government/federal discounts??

My mom gets a USPS discount off VZW, AT&T, Sprint.

She just called them and she called me back, they said that they only give USPS discount for the primary line (i knew this) but they don't give discount on anything else like Data plans, i read somewhere that you should still get discount on data plans, unless the discount is only for the primary line for data plans? basically, can't get discount on multiple data plans. Someone feel free to clarify.

Also for AT&T, once again, no discount for anything like data plans and text messaging plans but when i go online to do it, i can get discount still........

Idk, anyone feel free to help.

Oh yea, and for Sprint roaming. I heard they roam on Verizon towers for free?? my mom said her friend got charged?? I thought you only got charged if your roaming was more than half your minutes?
In regards to the Gov discount, I get a 15% discount through my Gov employer...but I am unable to find where the discount actually comes out of...I believe it just applies to the Primary line, and then applies to the monthly access charge only. Hope that fills you in a bit.
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Hold on guys.

I was the one that posted it. Stop twisting some of the facts.

The admin on the other forum is very credible and respected, it's basically like being a MOD on this forum. Would you just go around posting non-credible information and risk your title? No......he happens to be very credible and other supervisors/advisors vouche for him.

I do too, this is what he said:

His friend on the VZW council said that they will be getting the HTC Incredible sometime this week for testing. IT'S NOT BETA TESTING. He specifically said that they are getting the device to test RIGHT BEFORE RELEASE!!!!


Im pretty sure this goes in line with what Brian has said about getting devices to test right before they release the phone?

Ya I have been lurking over at N1forums for a while and Miami is pretty reputable and is a MOD. I believe him.
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OK, I'm sorry but this BS. You can't tell if we're tethering without a tethering plan without invading the user's privacy and violating numerous parts of the contract. If you want to get technical I will. The methods by which a user can tether without a tethering plan are extremely effective and look no different than other traffic on a network.

You have no way of telling this without completely violating the Verizon contract agreement. I call BS.

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Sure you can. When you use the internet you transmit a ton of information about your client (browser).

For example, in my HTTP header right now I have the following information: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6

Sure you can tweak your browser to represent a different client, but tethering alone is detectable.
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Hold on guys.

I was the one that posted it. Stop twisting some of the facts.

The admin on the other forum is very credible and respected, it's basically like being a MOD on this forum. Would you just go around posting non-credible information and risk your title? No......he happens to be very credible and other supervisors/advisors vouche for him.

I do too, this is what he said:

His friend on the VZW council said that they will be getting the HTC Incredible sometime this week for testing. IT'S NOT BETA TESTING. He specifically said that they are getting the device to test RIGHT BEFORE RELEASE!!!!

Im pretty sure this goes in line with what Brian has said about getting devices to test right before they release the phone?
Ok, let me say this. Will we(the verizon wireless customer council) get the Incredible? Maybe, but it hasn't been announced to us, one way or the other. However, I will say this, I'm excited if we really are gonna get it lol! However, I don't believe that we've ever gotten a device BEFORE it was announced.
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I see what you did there...

It's 4:20 somewhere bro haha jk jk

I noticed it too... AFTER I posted haha and I still can't go back and edit
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Well.........doesn't look like im getting Verizon Wireless anymore.

No discounts for a lot of things so im going to have to go with another carrier.

ALL THAT FOLLOWING FOR NOTHING!!!

I'll still keep you guys posted on any info i get, i'm going to talk more with Miami and he said he will keep me posted on any info he gets on release dates.

Been nice knowing you guys, will give you all the information i get.
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Sorry if anyone already posted/asked this, but has anyone else noticed how verizon still has the expired (ended yesterday) enV touch deal up on the front page? Seems kinda silly for them to have up an ad for a deal that ended yesterday.
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RLMAO!!!!! Ok, I just read it. Guys, fact, the VCC, is not a part of some testing phase. We don't review/test every device, or smartphone anyway. I'm gonna contact Miami1963, because, I don't want you all to get mislead like this. However, I've seen his posts before on other forums, and it's probably just an honest mistake.
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Nightshift here.

Looking at the phonearena page has me a little worried. If they list other devices for release of this month then why not others?

Let's hope that vzw just wanted to surprise us. But if this phone is so incredible why would they keep it in the dark just to release it suddenly.

Holding down the fort at 330am!
Probably they can only list devices they have official info about - I wish that one of those was our baby....

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Can we find another way into https://infodoc.verizonwireless.com/Infomanager/Areas/Equipment/159211.htm ?

I don't really buy the error message. Any insiders know if there's actually a login page for this site or is the error message just a smoke screen?
Damn, I'm still getting that message that my session is timed out....

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Why yes, yes it is....

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Yeah, but sometimes they do the "one more thing" announcement. It's totally possible they could unveil Verizon's Iphone. I really disagree with the way Verizon/HTC is doing business with us. I am not an Apple fanboy, but at least they make announcements and let anticipation build. Look 300,000 Ipads and the thing blows. I saw better specs on the HP Slate.
If they did a "oh, one more thing" thing, announcing an iPhony for VZW might be their tactic to keep people that are currently considering a new phone to get them to hold off until theirs hits the VZW shelves.

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Just an FYI folks.......not once since I have been in this forum has Testman being down led to anything. I know it's some glimmer of hope to cling to but do you honestly think that they will be putting things on Testman now after being so secretive about everything else?

For testman to be the VZW "official" introduction portal would make them the dumbest company in the world (behind the company that allows the competition and other technology companies to overshadow them by releasing products, specs and information about flagship and upcoming devices.....oh wait.........)
I don't think that site would have any announcements - someone said before (falls into line with what I kinda do sometimes when I'm designing/testing a site) that this is a staging are so they can test code live on the web, before migrating it over to the regular public facing site. Sometimes ya' gotta have it live to see everything properly, especially like with PHP, since I don't have a full LAMP stack installed on my lappy....
(... I realized after I posted this what you did with the last sentence there - heheh - gosh, I wonder what dumb company that could be....)

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Yes, the council (formally known as the sacred order of big red) is composed of the highest leaders in the company.

This is the picture that came to my mind:


I was thinking more like this:

(they even have Big Red chairs )

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just an fyi- I can get back on to the Infomanager site but nothing new there. Testman page still has no pictures.
https://infodoc.verizonwireless.com/Infomanager/Areas/Equipment/159211.htm#ota
Doh! Still getting the 'session timed out' junk....


Hmmm... why does this quoting many people in 1 post thing seem familiar....
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Sorry if anyone already posted/asked this, but has anyone else noticed how verizon still has the expired (ended yesterday) enV touch deal up on the front page? Seems kinda silly for them to have up an ad for a deal that ended yesterday.
Not on mine- has the HTC Touch pro which ends on 4/8
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The only thing Incredible about this phone at this point is that humans will evolve with telepathy skills before it's released.
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RLMAO!!!!! Ok, I just read it. Guys, fact, the VCC, is not a part of some testing phase. We don't review/test every device, or smartphone anyway. I'm gonna contact Miami1963, because, I don't want you all to get mislead like this. However, I've seen his posts before on other forums, and it's probably just an honest mistake.
Miami1963 isn't on the council himself.

He's getting all this info from a friend of his who is on it i believe. That's what he told me.
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Alright i got a question before i go Verizon or anything.

Is anyone familiar with government/federal discounts??

My mom gets a USPS discount off VZW, AT&T, Sprint.

She just called them and she called me back, they said that they only give USPS discount for the primary line (i knew this) but they don't give discount on anything else like Data plans, i read somewhere that you should still get discount on data plans, unless the discount is only for the primary line for data plans? basically, can't get discount on multiple data plans. Someone feel free to clarify.

Also for AT&T, once again, no discount for anything like data plans and text messaging plans but when i go online to do it, i can get discount still........

Idk, anyone feel free to help.

Oh yea, and for Sprint roaming. I heard they roam on Verizon towers for free?? my mom said her friend got charged?? I thought you only got charged if your roaming was more than half your minutes?
I'm a DoD employee and I get 15% off of my primary line only. Mine is a little different because my plan is an alltel one that lumps voice, data and txt together, so I get 15% off of $89.99. I added my wife to my plan which was $40 for the extra line and it provided unlimited txt and data while she shares my 500 minutes. I pay about $130 after taxes and fees for unlimited data and txt on 2 lines, a pot of 500 min to share, and 12 free numbers. The discount only applies to the primary line (or whichever line belongs to the account holder).
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Testman is down. Probably putting up the incredible right now. Or not, whatever.
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Not on mine- has the HTC Touch pro which ends on 4/8
Oh, makes sense, I guess they're still in the process of updating.
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Miami1963 isn't on the council himself.

He's getting all this info from a friend of his who is on it i believe. That's what he told me.
It's cool. I don't fault him at all. He gives good info. I pm'd him.
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Nothing you mentioned there would even BEGIN to tell you I was tethering. The ONLY thing you could see is if I was using a large amount of data which might hint at tethering but nothing else. You couldn't tell if I was using a proxy server, if the USB cable was connected, or what version of a page I was viewing. You'd have to have a packet sniffer and check every person's traffic. Highly illegal, crazy amount of overhead, and exactly what you're not doing.

So no. You can't tell if I'm tethering. Verizon employees aren't magical. Please don't embarrass yourself. You genuinely seem like an intelligent person in many posts, but not in this case.
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I'm only guessing here, by I bet the individual MAC address is available in the data traffic. In addition, each device would probably have it's own unique subnet ip address, correct?

If so, then the carrier knows what MAC is registered to this acct, and they could probably see that multiple MAC's are sending/receiving data...

So, am I close?

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Yea, my mom gets a 20% USPS discount off the primary line. This discount doesn't apply to data plans though so that's the bummer and no go.

Discounts only apply to services $35 or more........im gonna have to go AT&T or Sprint.
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They're an indirect store, they don't have real techs and they're not kept in the loop like the Corporate stores are.

First of all viperBOY. Don't go around knocking indirect stores. For one, I own my own business within a Verizon Wireless Premium Authorized Retailer. In FACT, we are the 5th largest handset seller in the country. Guess who we are behind? The big four corporate stores. We go to great lengths to not only do everything a tech store can, we do more. We wear professional clothing, suit and tie, as opposed to polo's.

Second, we have the ability to go on our own to business's (which is what I mostly do) and make sales with them. I have personally delivered phones to clients homes(after I got off work at 9:00p.m.) when my store was out of a certain phone by going to another store to pick it up. I've loaned personal BlackBerry phones as well as other type of phones to clients for a period of time (last one was a BlackBerry for four months) because for whatever reason their phone is not ready for upgrade and their phone is broken.

Third, unlike a corporate store, we do not take their name, hand them a number, make them wait in an expanded waiting room, and wait for who knows how long. We treat everyone that comes through our doors like they own the store. Not saying corporate stores do not either. Just saying I hear it all the time from people coming from those stores.

I could go on, but you can get my point.

Sorry for the OT to the others on this thread(which is great by the way, keep it up). I feel the need to defend myself when I here someone trying to disgrace what I do.
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It's cool. I don't fault him at all. He gives good info. I pm'd him.

Will you let us know what he says when he PM's you back, please?
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Yea, my mom gets a 20% USPS discount off the primary line. This discount doesn't apply to data plans though so that's the bummer and no go.

Discounts only apply to services $35 or more........im gonna have to go AT&T or Sprint.
look on the bright side, at least you'll have the evo to look forward to.
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Third, unlike a corporate store, we do not take their name, hand them a number, make them wait in an expanded waiting room, and wait for who knows how long.

Yeah, just to talk to someone who doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and usually makes stuff up. That's what pisses me off. I wait and wait and they still don't have any idea about anything. That's why I don't go into Verizon stores any more -- last time I was there, they charged my wife a fee for buying a phone in the store.
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I don't think that site would have any announcements - someone said before (falls into line with what I kinda do sometimes when I'm designing/testing a site) that this is a staging are so they can test code live on the web, before migrating it over to the regular public facing site. Sometimes ya' gotta have it live to see everything properly, especially like with PHP, since I don't have a full LAMP stack installed on my lappy....
I didn't mean they would officially announce it as I completely understand testing the site before making it public. The people at VZW know that people are watching testman and for them to be stupid enough to let that slip or be seen as their "official" (not really official that's why I used quotations) announcement is ludicrous.
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Yea, my mom gets a 20% USPS discount off the primary line. This discount doesn't apply to data plans though so that's the bummer and no go.

Discounts only apply to services $35 or more........im gonna have to go AT&T or Sprint.

Thats interesting. I get a 26% discount on my primary line, plus 20% on all of the additional features including data. My phone discount varies by device. I would double check on the data discount.
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Sure you can. When you use the internet you transmit a ton of information about your client (browser).

For example, in my HTTP header right now I have the following information: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6

Sure you can tweak your browser to represent a different client, but tethering alone is detectable.
You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
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Thats interesting. I get a 26% discount on my primary line, plus 20% on all of the additional features including data. My phone discount varies by device. I would double check on the data discount.
Your USPS??

Heres the site i use to check:

https://liteblue.usps.gov/news/deals/verizon.htm
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I'm only guessing here, by I bet the individual MAC address is available in the data traffic. In addition, each device would probably have it's own unique subnet ip address, correct?

If so, then the carrier knows what MAC is registered to this acct, and they could probably see that multiple MAC's are sending/receiving data...

So, am I close?

Not a network expert by any stretch, just putting together bits of info discussed over time.
MAC address is available on a local network, but isn't generally communicated via TCP/IP. The cell tower might still be able to grab it though.

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For example, in my HTTP header right now I have the following information: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6

Sure you can tweak your browser to represent a different client, but tethering alone is detectable.
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Thats interesting. I get a 26% discount on my primary line, plus 20% on all of the additional features including data. My phone discount varies by device. I would double check on the data discount.
I get a 21% ( where did they come up with that number I don't know) off my entire bill and 25% off all accessories and phones- I think it just depends on what deal your employer works out w/ VZW
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MAC address is available on a local network, but isn't generally communicated via TCP/IP. The cell tower might still be able to grab it though.

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You guys are hurting me here. The MAC address can't pass through a router, and what they have on a cell tower is what you'd think of as a router. There's no way to transmit the MAC address past a cell tower and "back home" to Verizon.

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You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
The biggest issue is the overhead. It's not cost effective to do packet-sniffing on all those packets. It would take an enormous amount of processing power to do that.
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You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
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Sorry, but isnt whether or not someone can catch you tethering a litttttle off topic? :P
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You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
Completely possible, and if VZW and other carriers follow suit with home ISP's like Comcast, they do this very thing today. Comcast is now counting all data passed through the network by USER. There's actually now a 250GB cap per month, they couldn't possibly enforce a cap, unless they are monitoring and counting each byte per account. So it's not so far fetched that they would be doing this very thing.

Uhh, not to sound confrontational, but what exactly do you call 'tethering' WITHOUT a 'tethering plan'? I would say that's at a minimum, YOUR breach of contract.
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kinda.. but we all want to know how to use the incredible speed of the incredible to tether while punishing VZW for making us wait.
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Regarding the tethering thing...a friend of mine has a (jail broken) iPhone that he uses on T-mobile's network. He said he uses tethering all the time by establishing an SSH connection to his mac at home and then tunneling his HTTP traffic over that encrypted connection, so it isn't seen. I'm not sure how to do it though. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
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is infomanager working for you guys?
https://infodoc.verizonwireless.com/Infomanager/Areas/Equipment/159210.htm
its telling me that i need to log into eroes again or something... Wasnt like this yesterday
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I really doubt trying to login to the Verizon back end is going to reveal HTC Inc stuff >_>
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is infomanager working for you guys?
https://infodoc.verizonwireless.com/Infomanager/Areas/Equipment/159210.htm
its telling me that i need to log into eroes again or something... Wasnt like this yesterday
it said that last night for me but now it does not- lets me in when i click on the link but there is nothing new there at all. Do not know why I can and others can not . Now I have a little red IM next to the link that I had bookmarked- never signed in to anything. Very strange
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its telling me that i need to log into eroes again or something... Wasnt like this yesterday
It seems they've patched their hole.....can't get the Droid stuff we could get to either.
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What was the number for the droid stuff- I will try and see if I can get in to that still
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