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1 Ghz Snapdragon processor (QSD8650) (245 Mhz at idle)
RAM - 512 MB (320 usable...like N1...more to become available with OS update)
ROM - 6.6-6.8 GB writable phone storage
8 MP camera (Dual flash and AF)
Android 2.1
Sense UI (w/ Friendstream)
Optical track pad (vs. "ball")
3.7 inch screen (seems confirmed, check around Post 121 and Post 2786)
WVGA resolution
AMOLED (Seems confirmed, check around Post 2786)
1300 MaH battery
FM Tuner
802.11 b/g
Dimensions: 117.5 mm (L) x 58.5 mm (w) x 11.9 mm (T)
No 720p recording
No multitouch BUG as found in N1
this is definitely a hard question for me. they each have their pro's and con's. i guess for me it'll depend on how long sprint holds out on giving add'l info on the SS.
I am on verizon so, I need a CDMA phone. This phone supports GSM 850/900/1800/1900/WCDMA 2100 and CDMA800,CDMA1900. So if it works on Verizon's network I may just buy it unlocked.
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I am on verizon so, I need a CDMA phone. This phone supports GSM 850/900/1800/1900/WCDMA 2100 and CDMA800,CDMA1900. So if it works on Verizon's network I may just buy it unlocked.
That seems like ALOT of bands. Is it just me or does something seem off here? Typically, Sprint's CDMA bands are not the same as VZW's (regardless of whether its a WiMax phone or not).
Btw, it shows Android 2.1 as being Flan?? I've never even heard of that. 2.1 is eClair, and the following OS is Froyo. Where are you getting this info from?
Looks like they're questioning the validity of these specs as well, so I probably wouldn't put too many eggs in this basket (neither should you, if you are considering a Supersonic, which I am not). Wait until actual confirmed specs are out - that seem a little more legit (I mean, common, they can't even get the OS correct)
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I guess I am going to play the waiting game. The specs were to good to be true.
Well, with the exception of the 4.3" screen, I don't really see any "too good to be true" specs (assuming that their legit, which some are not) to be excited about. But, again, thats totally subjective - and to answer your question in the OP, I like the Incredible's specs better, which is why I'd choose that phone.
Well with these specs you can be on Verizon, then go to Europe and still be able to us your phone. I am going to Germany for an entire semester and I have Verizon. It is going to be annoying if I can't even use the new HTC smartphone that I just bought.
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Well with these specs you can be on Verizon, then go to Europe and still be able to us your phone. I am going to Germany for an entire semester and I have Verizon. It is going to be annoying if I can't even use the new HTC smartphone that I just bought.
You're assuming that the band specs are correct though, which doesn't really have much credibility considering there are major flaws in them.
I honestly doubt that Sprint's first WiMax phone will have VZW bands, as there'd be no point in any user to use Sprint's coverage since VZW's is much more superior (with the exception of WiMax obviously, but in reality, how many markets is that really going to cover?)
The biggest reason to go with the SS would be the possibility of getting WiMax speeds, but if you're not in one of the scheduled rollout areas, that's not really gonna be an advantage.
Hmmm, the phone that is the topic of this subforum, or some other phone? Do the poll results surprise you? I'm guessing you'd get the flip of the results in the opposing phone's subforum.
Sorry, I don't let tv commercials dictate my decision making, I've had Verizon, ATT and Sprint. Sprint is my favorite of the three, their customer service has improved tremendously, I have had absolutely no problems with coverage and I love my family everything plan that is $100 cheaper on Sprint compared to Verizon.
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Sorry, I don't let tv commercials dictate my decision making, I've had Verizon, ATT and Sprint. Sprint is my favorite of the three, their customer service has improved tremendously, I have had absolutely no problems with coverage and I love my family everything plan that is $100 cheaper on Sprint compared to Verizon.
I'm also not speaking from a media-plug standpoint. I have had Verizon for as long as I can remember, and I have almost never had a point where I had to say "Oh crap, I have no signal" nor my calls being dropped. I also have heard similar stories from almost all my friends (who are also exclusively on VZW). Theres a reason why they're the largest carrier in the US, and it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the "Do you hear me now?" guy on the commercials. In terms of pricing, well that can be argued, however I did not refer to that in my original post.
... my family everything plan that is $100 cheaper on Sprint compared to Verizon.
+1 on that man. We love out plan, far cheaper than other comparable ones on Verizon or even, god forbid, AT&T. The only downside is we have far fewer releases of the 'newest' phones. That or we just don't get the highest end ones. Oh well, I feel as though I can deal with that for a much cheaper cellular bill.
I started to create a new thread about Incredible versus Supersonic and then found this thread was similar. First off...I'm a current long time Sprint subscriber...but most of my family is on Verizon. I have been planning on Verizon...but now that the Supersonic is being announced at CTIA and looks to be an awesome phone I have some questions. One more thing to note. My coverage and satisfaction has been just fine where I live in the Austin, Texas area. Perhaps I don't know what I'm missing...but only rarely have a dropped call. Still, it has happened. I don't know what Verizon is like where I'm at..but would enjoy hearing feedback. Also, it is my understanding that Austin is a market that has the new WiMax 4G. So...keeping this in mind....and without further delay....I would like to know:
1.What kind of speeds would I encounter when going to other areas that don't have WiMax?
2.What about Europe...it's my understanding Verizon has an exclusive with Skype...so at least where there is WiFi it would be possible to make a call back to the USA...but with Sprint...there would be no coverage in Europe...correct?
3. I read a review of the carriers..don't remember the source...but the main point was that Sprint was a pretty darned good carrier when it comes to coverage. The article stated that they actually contract with Verizon for 3G coverage in areas where they don't currently provide it.
4. The true specs are not known for the Incredible..but appear to be hot and it's reportedly blazing fast. Do you think the Supersonic will hold it's on when compared to the Incredible?
5. Finally, besides carrier, cost of plans, and coverage...are there any other meaningful differences between these phones? I assume they both will have Android 2.1...and both have an AMOLED screen. (3.7 vs 4.3). Is there anything else to consider?
Do you get that I'm trying to make a broad and yet meaningful comparison of what it would mean to choose one of these phones over the other? Your wisdom/input will be much appreciated. Thanks!
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I had Sprint a long time ago and, well, when we moved we could not use the phones in our house due to the lack of signal. Verizon works in my basement. That being said, you have to weigh your deciding factors. T-Mobile and AT&T offer very poor 2G or worse roaming coverage to the far reaches of PA where my family lives. Sprint offers roaming up to a certain point and then no service. Verizon is 3G in their town.
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1.What kind of speeds would I encounter when going to other areas that don't have WiMax?
Sprint is EVDO rev A just like Verizon, so 3G speeds at a theoretical max of 3.1Mbps. I think their typicals aren't too far off the mark, similar to Verizon.
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2.What about Europe...it's my understanding Verizon has an exclusive with Skype...so at least where there is WiFi it would be possible to make a call back to the USA...but with Sprint...there would be no coverage in Europe...correct?
No coverage in Europe. Same lack of support due to no CDMA. Furthermore, keep in mind down the road that Europe will be LTE (Verizon 4G) not WiMax. I thought the Skype calling was skype-to-skype. Can you do skype to phone with this service?
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3. I read a review of the carriers..don't remember the source...but the main point was that Sprint was a pretty darned good carrier when it comes to coverage. The article stated that they actually contract with Verizon for 3G coverage in areas where they don't currently provide it.
Check on data roaming. Some carriers bury a limit in the fine print on data roaming. Sprint used to charge for it, but I don't think so anymore. But, as I said, there may be a "soft limit" on the unlimited data roaming, one they would more likely enforce compared to their own network.
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4. The true specs are not known for the Incredible..but appear to be hot and it's reportedly blazing fast. Do you think the Supersonic will hold it's on when compared to the Incredible?
I'm sure it will. Even less is known about it but I'd like to guess snapdragon. If it is 4.3", it won't be AMOLED. I'm curious with the Supersonic, no trackpad? None of the pictures or renders show anything. It's hard to make any other judgements. RAM? Probably plenty, but will it have onboard storage like the Incredible? The Desire doesn't so it's not a new trend for HTC. Verizon may have pushed for the onboard memory (8GB) so it may be a bit exclusive for now.
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5. Finally, besides carrier, cost of plans, and coverage...are there any other meaningful differences between these phones? I assume they both will have Android 2.1...and both have an AMOLED screen. (3.7 vs 4.3). Is there anything else to consider?
Kinda covered it under (4).
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Do you get that I'm trying to make a broad and yet meaningful comparison of what it would mean to choose one of these phones over the other? Your wisdom/input will be much appreciated. Thanks!
You think Verizon would match Sprint's $70 unlimited everything? If from the DailyTech article, verizon charges $70 for just unlimited talk, so I really don't know what to choose now.
No coverage in Europe. Same lack of support due to no CDMA. Furthermore, keep in mind down the road that Europe will be LTE (Verizon 4G) not WiMax. I thought the Skype calling was skype-to-skype. Can you do skype to phone with this service?
Wow...thank you for such a thorough reply! Now I am pretty much a noob at all this stuff...but I read that Verizon and Skype will have an exclusive deal. So...this will mean that Verizon subscribers can use Skype when I expect people on other mobile networks could not. What this means is....a long distance option via the data plan. But I think it can still cost 20 cents a minute. And....if you're somewhere like Europe and out of the Verizon compatible area...you would need to get to a WiFi spot. I hear you often have to pay for WiFi access in Europe as I asked about Skype previously. So Skype COULD be a work around in Europe or elsewhere just be being able to make calls at a WiFi spot. I assume Sprint couldn't do this. Very interesting about the LTE btw....and that it would be what they are going to in Europe. Eventually it will be Verizon who has the world phones..yes? Thanks again!
edit: Just want to add....I know nothing for sure when it comes to the Skype and Verizon deal...it's just my understanding at this point. Not a huge issue anyway.
Wow...thank you for such a thorough reply! Now I am pretty much a noob at all this stuff...but I read that Verizon and Skype will have an exclusive deal. So...this will mean that Verizon subscribers can use Skype when I expect people on other mobile networks could not. What this means is....a long distance option via the data plan. But I think it can still cost 20 cents a minute. And....if you're somewhere like Europe and out of the Verizon compatible area...you would need to get to a WiFi spot. I hear you often have to pay for WiFi access in Europe as I asked about Skype previously. So Skype COULD be a work around in Europe or elsewhere just be being able to make calls at a WiFi spot. I assume Sprint couldn't do this. Very interesting about the LTE btw....and that it would be what they are going to in Europe. Eventually it will be Verizon who has the world phones..yes? Thanks again!
edit: Just want to add....I know nothing for sure when it comes to the Skype and Verizon deal...it's just my understanding at this point. Not a huge issue anyway.
Not sure what you know about LTE. It's the natural migration path to 4G for the GSM consortium. Verizon was actually at MWC in Barcelona to officially announce joining the consortium going forward, since MWC is pretty much a GSM conference. LTE will be SIM card based like GSM. At this point, I have no idea about band compatibility so it's a bit of a stretch right now to claim a US LTE phone will be world capable. But from a standards standpoint, it'll be the same 4G system (unlike Sprint). AT&T plans to go LTE, and T-Mobile...probably. The problem is HSPA is quite scalable for network speeds and a cheaper upgrade for AT&T and T-Mobile. I dream of the day when at least 3 out of 4 US mobile carriers will utilize the same phones where you just drop in your SIM card, much like Europe, making service more competitive. If WiMax bombs for the cellular industry, Sprint could switch and make it a grand slam.
Well with these specs you can be on Verizon, then go to Europe and still be able to us your phone. I am going to Germany for an entire semester and I have Verizon. It is going to be annoying if I can't even use the new HTC smartphone that I just bought.
You'll be able to download a Skype app to it shortly and turn it into a World Phone.
I know Sprint has their share of people who dislike them...and I won't defend them except to say I have been satisfied. Now...can I say their 3G is as robust or will be just as good as Verizon...no...can't say because I don't know. But...if the WiMax is as fast as it sounds....then I'm living in an area where I will have blazing fast internet access. Plus...the Sprint plans are less expensive. On my old Katana the service has been fine. I only occasionally get a dropped call. I don't know if that number would be zero on Verizon...but it's still pretty low here where I live. With the upcoming releases of both the Supersonic and Incredible...I will have to do some heavy decision making. If I can benefit from super fast WiMax speeds in my home town over the next few years it might make staying with Sprint...on a cheaper plan...a good idea. Plus...it sounds like the Supersonic is going to be a really nice phone. Until then...I'm a lurkin and a learnin!
I know Sprint has their share of people who dislike them...and I won't defend them except to say I have been satisfied. Now...can I say their 3G is as robust or will be just as good as Verizon...no...can't say because I don't know. But...if the WiMax is as fast as it sounds....then I'm living in an area where I will have blazing fast internet access. Plus...the Sprint plans are less expensive. On my old Katana the service has been fine. I only occasionally get a dropped call. I don't know if that number would be zero on Verizon...but it's still pretty low here where I live. With the upcoming releases of both the Supersonic and Incredible...I will have to do some heavy decision making. If I can benefit from super fast WiMax speeds in my home town over the next few years it might make staying with Sprint...on a cheaper plan...a good idea. Plus...it sounds like the Supersonic is going to be a really nice phone. Until then...I'm a lurkin and a learnin!
Andiron, you don't have to make a decision today and you don't have to feel guilty about picking one phone over the other. Either way you can't go wrong. Next week at CTIA we should learn a lot more about the Supersonic and the Incredible. Once you have all the facts, it will be easier to make a decision.
Currently, I'm a Sprint customer too and I have had some thoughts of moving over to Verizon for the Nexus One or the Incredible, but I really like the Supersonic. I'm not afraid to say that I'm happy with Sprint. They have good 3G service, great customer service and as you pointed out, their plans are a lot cheaper than the Verizon plans are.
Some people are saying most of their family is with Verizon (I think you were one of them) and that's a compelling reason to switch to the same carrier, but the way I see it, if a family member calls that's a Verizon customer, hang up, then press the call button. With Sprint's mobile-to-any-mobile plan, everyone is on your "family" plan.
Right now, WiMAX is a non-issue here in Florida, but that will change soon and it should keep getting better and better over time. When I'm out in the wild, I will still have 3G, but when I'm at home or in the office where I have WiFi, I will be able to connect to that for faster data speeds.
Some people don't want the big screen, but I'm an old man and I definitely need the big screen. That's one of the main draws to the Supersonic for me. Let's face it, you want a smart phone for it's Internet capabilities and browsing with a bigger screen has to be a better, more comfortable experience and that's why I voted for the Supersonic. It doesn't mean I have anything against the Incredible. I don't. It will be a great phone too.
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Great post Billsmed....very well put and exactly how I'm thinking right about now. I want to see what happens next week. Also, didn't know about the mobile plan with Sprint. Sounds like an interesting strategy...especially when Verizon has pick 10. Since my family on Verizon can pick me to be in their 10...I could employ the strategy you suggested and have the best of both worlds! In the end this may come down to timing. If they only announce the Supersonic...and say it will release in the summer...I don't know if I can wait. My wife might beat me to death with her Katana!
Yeah....I was on Sprint years ago, and it was quite bad. So I've been on Verizon for years now, and heavily looking at the Incredible and Nexus One. Then, I saw the amazing prices Sprint is now offering that blow Verizon away, and figured I would check that out. Went to the store, and yes they use Verizon towers, and all of that included everything stuff is legitimate. Then I heard about the Nexus and Supersonic coming to Sprint and now I'm very confused and anxiously awaiting next weeks announcements. We must be patient my Android brothers and sisters....
I voted Supersonic. Snapdragon and Wimax are two big reasons among others but my biggest reason why is Sprint. We're switching to a family plan and Sprint offers the best value bar none and they have better coverage in my area than my current provider, T-Mobile. If I leave Sprint's coverage map when I travel, I'll just roam on Verizon
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I voted Supersonic. Snapdragon and Wimax are two big reasons among others but my biggest reason why is Sprint. We're switching to a family plan and Sprint offers the best value bar none and they have better coverage in my area than my current provider, T-Mobile. If I leave Sprint's coverage map when I travel, I'll just roam on Verizon
the question is will you be able to roam off verizon after they switch to LTE?
I think it would just step down to 3G. Besides, Verizon hasn't even started deploying LTE yet and they made announcement that they wouldn't have a 4G phone until next summer. Right now, rumors are flying that the Supersonic is going to be released real soon. We should know more about that next week after Dan Hesse demos the phone at CTIA.
It's looking like the Incredible is going to be released soon also and I'm excited about that too.
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I've got a VZW family plan with 4 lines (me, hubby, and our parents, ha!) with multiple contract end dates. I've had VZW since 2001 and have no complaints. When hubby and I got married he had Sprint it was horrendous. Their billing is confusing, his signal was awful, and it was impossible to get several problems he had fixed without multiple phone calls to everyone under the sun. So HTC Incredible is the one for me between these two!
Besides, I've been waiting for this phone since Nov 2009 when I first played with the Droid and Droid Eris. I'm not waiting until Summer!!!
Here's an amusing video I just found at BGR. It's only 40 seconds long but demonstrates the possibilities with WiMax. Makes me a bit more excited about the capability of the Supersonic!
the question is will you be able to roam off verizon after they switch to LTE?
Yep, you'll roam on 3G though. Both will have their EVDO network running for the better part of this decade before they switch it off altogether. That being said, if Verizon builds out LTE as fast as they say, Sprint customers will be tooling along on 3G along side Verizon customers on 4G in non-metro areas. I'm certain WiMax will not be built out as fast as LTE.
I dream of the day when at least 3 out of 4 US mobile carriers will utilize the same phones where you just drop in your SIM card, much like Europe, making service more competitive.
That won't happen even with the conversion to LTE for Verizon, LTE is only for DATA not VOICE in the first implementations. So you're going to see CDMA + LTE based phones for Verizon, GSM + LTE phones for AT&T / - T-MOBILE in the future. Just like today your now starting to see Sprint CDMA + WiMax phones / data cards just now being released.
Voice over LTE is still up in the air for now.
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T-Mobile International and major handset and equipment vendors have joined forces to promote what they call Voice over LTE via Generic Access (VoLGA). By September, the group hopes to develop a common set of standards, to be submitted to 3GPP, to allow circuit-switched SMS and voice traffic to travel over LTE over a generic access approach. Kineto and some of the wireless industry's biggest vendors are founding members of the group, including Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Huawei, LG Electronics, Motorola, Samsung, Starent and ZTE. Nokia Siemens Network is proposing its own solution.
SS the proc is not underclocked, has 8mp camera as well, POSSIBLY a front facing camera, or so an insider has told us in the SS so. WiMax, 4.3 inch screen (this means bigger battery too) 1gb ROM, a kickstand, works on sprint (i know some of you think verizon is god and no one else has good coverage, and sprint may actually suck where you are, but for me, sprint is amazing, and cheap, so don't bitch about it any more.)
That won't happen even with the conversion to LTE for Verizon, LTE is only for DATA not VOICE in the first implementations. So you're going to see CDMA + LTE based phones for Verizon, GSM + LTE phones for AT&T / - T-MOBILE in the future. Just like today your now starting to see Sprint CDMA + WiMax phones / data cards just now being released.
Voice over LTE is still up in the air for now.
I'm sure by the time AT&T and T-Mobile build any kind of an LTE network, a standard will be ratified. I realize voice over LTE isn't going to happen tomorrow, but T-Mobile has no foreseeable future plans of implementing LTE just yet, either. Even now, Verizon operates their voice network not on EVDO, but the 1xRTT network. There will come a time when it's no longer cost competitive to maintain a separate network for voice. In the meantime, Qualcomm makes a LTE/CDMA/GSM chipset so it's still entirely possible to have one phone for all.
OMG, after watching the new htc EVO aka supersonic at Engadget website, it kicks the pansy out of the incredible. But i'm not waiting till summer i'll get the incredible.
OMG, after watching the new htc EVO aka supersonic at Engadget website, it kicks the pansy out of the incredible. But i'm not waiting till summer i'll get the incredible.
Yeah, after the intial woop woop wore off, even though the Evo definitely looks like the "IT" phone of the year, the 4G network is still has a long way to go. I'll stick with Verizon and grab the Incredible. It will replace my old (6 months!) trusty Eris (ha!) 3G is fine and there's enough goodies in the Incredible to keep me happy for the next 6 months. I love this stuff!
HTC Incredible or HTC Supersonic
Typically, Sprint's CDMA bands are not the same as VZW's (regardless of whether its a WiMax phone or not).
I'm guessing you'd get the flip of the results in the opposing phone's subforum.
