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Old April 15th, 2010, 12:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default [Battery] Complaints and Problems

This thread along with the other is being created for the purpose of merging all battery threads into three. It will keep the forum clean and will also serve as a one stop information collective.

This particular [Battery] thread is for Complaints and Problems with your battery life. Any problems your having and perhaps what you think causes it should be posted here to help other members figure out what is causing it. Remember not everyone has the same usage pattern and some units may be defective so do not attack someone if they are complaining about battery life.

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Confused I need an honest opinion...does this phone's battery suck or not?

I'm thinking about getting this phone for a job I'm starting in New York City in three weeks, but I'm not sure if my usage plans will allow me to get through the day without the battery dying.

On Tuesday I went to my local Verizon store and demoed the phone, and it was everything I hoped for. But I'm still on the fence about getting it since I've heard bad things about the battery.

Here is what my day schedule would look like...would the stock battery last it out? Also I don't want to constantly keep turning GPS/internet on and off to squeeze out extra minutes. I'm also strapped for cash so the Seidio 1750mah isn't that much of an option right now.

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- 1.5 hour commute each way, 3 hours total.

Heavy use: Internet radio, web browsing, games, occasional GPS

Daytime - 8 hour shift.

Light/moderate use: Some web browsing, texting, email, calling, and GPS

Will it last?

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Yes. Without a doubt.
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Just save up and purchase a Seidio/OEM extended battery with the phone. Or, buy the phone now and just fiddle with turning features on and off. When you get some cash, drop it on a better battery.
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Honestly, it won't last..but IF you use the ATK to kill the apps throughout the day it'll go a lot farther and also, you should def use the power control widget and turn off the wifi/bluetooth/ satellite location/auto sync & I wouldn't turn the brightness more than halfway up...I have a car charger and a home charger, I charge my incredible when I'm not using it...hope this helps. I suggest buying an extra battery so you can switch it out when the 1st 1 dies. ***The internet radio will kill it all by itself if you listen for 3 hours, even with the screen asleep.
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I bought this battery and am quite pleased ($16.99 + Free Shipping):
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Treat your battery right from the start and it will easily last. I don't use any of these task killers, never turn off the mobile network, and I get anywhere from 24 to 30 hours of battery life per charge. I use the phone throughout the day for web, phone, texting (a lot), some apps, etc. Obviously using it for hours on end and/or watching videos will not yield the same results, but with moderate use, you'll easily be fine.
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I have had ZERO issues getting 12-15 hours of battery with 3G on all the time, live wallpapers on all the time, and no task killers, and moderate use.

Either my definition of "moderate" is completely different than everyone else's (doubtful), or a lot of people are lying (doubtful), or there are vastly different incarnations of the Incredible out there (doubtful), or there is an issue at play that just hasn't been pinpointed yet.

My suggestion... spend 30 days deciding for yourself.
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If I get the phone, I'm planning to do a bunch of tricks at the start to optimize its performance, but not every day.

Also I can't see why I would need WiFi or Bluetooth on, ever.

For GPS, if you turn it off and load up a restaurant locator or something like that, will it turn it back on automatically? I only plan to use the GPS to just quickly check my location on my commute, or get quick directions to something in the city. But other than that I don't care if it's on.
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I bet that after the extended battery releases, you can find some stock OEM batteries for cheap on this forum. Shoot, you could probably find one right now... lots of people have purchased a Seidio/TP2 already.
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If you use a car charger while listening to Internet Radio and using GPS during your commute, you should be fine getting 8 hours during your work day. Otherwise I seriously doubt it. I really love this phone, but battery life is an issue with the stock 1300 unit. I'm on day 3 with mine and got 10 hours out of mine today with very light usage. I also am taking a stand against turning features off on principal. I did make one or two changes which seemed to have helped today, but there's no doubt I'll be buying an extended battery...first time ever for me. Just waiting to see what the deal with the OEM 2150 is.
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If I get the phone, I'm planning to do a bunch of tricks at the start to optimize its performance, but not every day.

Also I can't see why I would need WiFi or Bluetooth on, ever.

For GPS, if you turn it off and load up a restaurant locator or something like that, will it turn it back on automatically? I only plan to use the GPS to just quickly check my location on my commute, or get quick directions to something in the city. But other than that I don't care if it's on.
GPS only comes on when an app needs it. Mine is "on" (enabled) at all times.
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If you use a car charger while listening to Internet Radio and using GPS during your commute, you should be fine getting 8 hours during your work day. Otherwise I seriously doubt it. I really love this phone, but battery life is an issue with the stock 1300 unit. I'm on day 3 with mine and got 10 hours out of mine today with very light usage. I also am taking a stand against turning features off on principal. I did make one or two changes which seemed to have helped today, but there's no doubt I'll be buying an extended battery...first time ever for me. Just waiting to see what the deal with the OEM 2150 is.
I'll be commuting via train, so a car charger is not an option.

I plan to get a car charger anyway when I go back to school, so I could keep the phone charged until I get to the train station.

I just don't want it to die before I hop back on the train home, in case there are any emergencies or my ride can't pick me up and I can't contact them because the phone is dead.
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GPS only comes on when an app needs it. Mine is "on" (enabled) at all times.
So why would you ever have GPS on then if you aren't using an app that utilizes it?
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The "on" state just authorizes its use. The way all of my GPS-consuming apps work, they only request a GPS fix when I am actively using them. There's no reason to disable GPS in this scenario. All I would be doing is adding a manual step when I need to use these apps.
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In that case, how do you actually turn GPS off, so that it only turns on whenever the phone needs it? Is it just the setting in the "Location" section?
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I think it depends. There seems to be a software glitch that is preventing some Incs from sleeping. Mine did it the first few days and I had terrible battery life (would NOT have survived your day). However, for some reason, this glitch stopped occurring for me (maybe the ota?) and I have had similar days to yours, with everything on, and my inc makes it through. And fir some strange reason my battery life actually improved when I started leaving the gps on constantly. Make sense? Not at all, but there seems to be some bugs haunting the power management of this phone. If you can luck out with a combination that doesn't glitch the power management it, I think you can make it through your day. I would advise charging in your car, however.
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Screw extended batteries. Get something like this:

Amazon.com: Mili Power Crystal External Power Bank (black): Electronics

Plug it in on the ride home, which is probably when your battery will be giving in. That will double your battery life. Just charge it every night with your phone. I plan on doing that.

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somedays you will and some days you might not. You sue will vary everyday and from the results i am seeing on the stock battery you will be borderline. if you have a strong data signal then internet radio will not kill the battery, but if you hit a spot where its not strong the radio has to use more juice to pull the data down.

To be safe i would get the 1750 ext battery and i think if you do that you should be fine everyday.

Also using WIFI whenever you can, it uses less power than the CDMA 4g does
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Battery life is pretty good and has improved this week. There is always the 2150mah as well which should only add about 1mm of thickness. I have no regrets.
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Get the free 3G Watchdog app. It shows a little 3G icon in the notification bar when your 3G is being activated. (It does other cool stuff too like keep track of your total 3G usage) Of course when you're surfing the net you'll see the icon there, but if you still see it and you're not on the net, use your free Advanced Task Killer to kill some apps. This should help with battery life I think.
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Screw extended batteries. Get something like this:

Amazon.com: Mili Power Crystal External Power Bank (black): Electronics

Plug it in on the ride home, which is probably when your battery will be giving in. That will double your battery life. Just charge it every night with your phone. I plan on doing that.

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Do they make one of these for the Incredible though? The one on your link says it's compatible with BB models only.
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If I get the phone, I'm planning to do a bunch of tricks at the start to optimize its performance, but not every day.

Also I can't see why I would need WiFi or Bluetooth on, ever.

For GPS, if you turn it off and load up a restaurant locator or something like that, will it turn it back on automatically? I only plan to use the GPS to just quickly check my location on my commute, or get quick directions to something in the city. But other than that I don't care if it's on.
I usually have GPS "off" except the few times I've used the navigation. Apps that want to locate me still can.
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The battery is fine.
Maybe for you it is.
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There you go.

The battery is great. The battery sucks. The battery is fine if you never, ever touch the phone.

The only definitive answer you're going to get is the one you give yourself after trying the thing.
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It seems to be getting better each day. I turn on and off the mobile network as needed and keep GPS off. I posted this analogy on another thread, don't expect good gas mileage when you buy a 500hp car. The same can be said for the Incredible, when you have that performance you have to give up something. Im going to get the extended battery soon. Coming for the BB Storm 1 & 2, this phone is awewsome!!!!
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Does the battery suck? Look through the threads in this forum; count the number that involve battery complaints, battery tips, and extended batteries. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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There you go.

The battery is great. The battery sucks. The battery is fine if you never, ever touch the phone.

The only definitive answer you're going to get is the one you give yourself after trying the thing.
I was just thinking the same thing.

But I don't want to drop $400 for the phone/data/insurance for a month and then turn around and return it a week later.
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Does the battery suck? Look through the threads in this forum; count the number that involve battery complaints, battery tips, and extended batteries. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
And where there's complaints on an internet forum, there's a vocal minority. A minority having legitimate issues? Probably - but still a minority.
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i would say you would never sqeeze that much out of it right now. I am convinced there is a bug or an app that is installed that is causing the issue so I honeslty believe it will get fixed.

i had the droid with the exact same apps installed and exact same configuration and i would easily squeeze 24 hours with medium usage. I also had the droid overclocked to 900mhz so i dont think we can blame the proc speed for the poor perf.
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to the OP

your posted daily schedule is about exactly what mine is during the day to day week

I get about 15 hours while playing games, youtube, web, texting non stop

I'm sure I could double that if I tried to stop GPS location and used an APPKiller
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why don't you try it out for 30 days on Verizon and see if it works for you and if not cancel within the 30 days
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I was just thinking the same thing.

But I don't want to drop $400 for the phone/data/insurance for a month and then turn around and return it a week later.
If you want a smartphone, and want a solid network (assuming you aren't already on Verizon), you may as well go for it. If you don't like the Incredible, return it for a Droid. If you don't like Android, switch to BB or WinMo (same data plans). If you don't like smartphones, drop the data plan and get something else. It's all interchangable and refundable (you may have a $35 restocking fee to deal with though).

The only thing I am not 100% on, is what happens if you decide that what you really don't like... is Verizon. You may or may not be out an early termination fee - I don't think so, but it's worthing making certain of (if you aren't on Verizon already).

I'm not saying the Incredible (or Android) is perfect for everyone - but it's risk-free enough that I can't imagine not finding out.
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It's funny that so many people are saying that the battery life is fine. If I don't charge mine while I'm at work, it generally would be completely dead within an hour or so after I leave work, putting the life at about 11 to 12 hours for me. That's with relatively minimal use. Maybe a couple of 5 minute calls, and a few email checks, and perhaps 15 minutes of web browsing. To me, that's a VERY weak battery life! The signal in my office is pretty weak, so perhaps that's a major factor, but I sit next to a guy that has a Nexus One and he can go two to three DAYS on one charge!

It boils down to this, though. The Incredible is a damn near perfect piece of hardware, running a VERY good piece of software in Android 2.1, on the best 3G network in the U.S. If anything has to be wrong with the phone, at least it's a part that's upgradeable! And if you have a charger at work, that's not even necessary. My point is, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. The phone is just too good to pass up! Ha, I'm actually jealous of the O.P.'s 1.5 hour commute right now! It would give me time to play with my new favorite toy! :-)
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People who use a few random complaints on an Internet forum as a basis for a phone having a "problem" are seriously misguided. This forum, as popular as it may be, represents an extremely small minority of the Incredible-owning population. And in every thread where one person complains about battery life, there are five people saying they get good battery life, even diminishing the already small minority.

One thing people often forget is "user error." Is everyone with battery life issues doing something wrong? No. Product defects are a part of life. But there are far too many people not complaining to say battery life is a "problem."
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I had battery life issues in my first 2 days.
Then, I installed the power control widget.
I leave on the 3G and..
Turn off: WiFi, BlueTooth, GPS, and Compass when I don't need them.

I keep the y power widget on one of my pages, in addition to the other individual controls. Then I don't have to keep remembering what the power icons mean. The widget is the only way to control the Compass power that I have found.

Result: Only burn up 1/2 the battery from 7AM (leave for work) to 7PM (return home)

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I had battery life issues in my first 2 days.
Then, I installed the power control widget.
I leave on the 3G and..
Turn off: WiFi, BlueTooth, GPS, and Compass when I don't need them.

I keep the y power widget on one of my pages, in addition to the other individual controls. Then I don't have to keep remembering what the power icons mean. The widget is the only way to control the Compass power that I have found.

Result: Only burn up 1/2 the battery from 7AM (leave for work) to 7PM (return home)

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thats the thing though, you shouldnt have to turn everything off to get 12 hours of battery life. all my other smart phones including droid never had this issue with everything left on.
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And if you have a charger at work, that's not even necessary.
There's the key right there. Give it a shot with a charger at work as the backup plan. Should address any of the OP's concerns about running out of juice before making it home plus you got to find out for yourself what you think of the phone. I was recently onboard the "battery sucks" bandwagon but have since jumped off and I didn't have to cripple my phone to death to get satisfaction. A few minor tweaks make a big difference.
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thats the thing though, you shouldnt have to turn everything off to get 12 hours of battery life. all my other smart phones including droid never had this issue with everything left on.
You're telling me your Droid gets over 24 hours battery life with WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS on, and moderate use throughout the day?

And I currently get over 24 hours on my Incredible with WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS off most of the time. Perhaps I could surpass 24 hours with them on myself. I just haven't had the need to try.
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Ok, just wanted to bring this to light since it was brought up deep within another thread. There is definitely a problem with the way the INC charges its battery. Many of you - like myself - have been experiencing super quick battery drain, particularly with the phone dropping from 100% to 93% within a couple of minutes of being pulling off its charger.

Everyone who's experiencing this problem should run the following test: turn your phone off completely by holding down the button on the top of the Inc. Charge the phone until it gets to 100%. Turn the phone back on and you'll notice it will no longer immediately drain from 100% to 93%. Instead, it will take closer to an hour.

Now, once you drain the battery again, plug it into the charger without turning the phone off. You'll notice the phone charges to 100%, but as soon as it's pulled off its charger, it'll drain to 93% within a few minutes.

Don't know why this is happening, but clearly there is a bug.
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Ok, just wanted to bring this to light since it was brought up deep within another thread. There is definitely a problem with the way the INC charges its battery. Many of you - like myself - have been experiencing super quick battery drain, particularly with the phone dropping from 100% to 93% within a couple of minutes of being pulling off its charger.

Everyone who's experiencing this problem should run the following test: turn your phone off completely by holding down the button on the top of the Inc. Charge the phone until it gets to 100%. Turn the phone back on and you'll notice it will no longer immediately drain from 100% to 93%. Instead, it will take closer to an hour.

Now, once you drain the battery again, plug it into the charger without turning the phone off. You'll notice the phone charges to 100%, but as soon as it's pulled off its charger, it'll drain to 93% within a few minutes.

Don't know why this is happening, but clearly there is a bug.

Mine works just fine battery lasts a good long time. Maybe you have a defective phone??
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Default I Don't Understand All This Chatter On Battery Drain..

My battery lasts a good long time longer than my Storm2 or IPhone 3GS. Maybe these people just have defective phones?? Maybe just expecting to much? I have no issues with the battery life at all.
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i do notice that within about 5-10 mins of pulling it off the charger after charging all night, it's down to 93-94%.. i'll try to turn it off tonite and see if this works.. maybe the charger is the lemon, not the battery? or maybe the software that monitors the battery or something.. who knows.. i guess we'll see..
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It's because:

1.) People expect the world of this phone ( and battery ) and just aren't getting the results they'd *hoped* for. Notice I didn't say the results they *should* be getting.

2.) It's a SMARTPHONE people, it will definitely use more battery than any dumbphone around. Because ...

3.) All the apps, live wallpaper, GPS, etc. that everyone is using. They think the phone should be able to do it without using any battery, apparently.

The debate will never cease but these are the main points. For some the battery will never be good enough - even if HTC were to produce 6000mah batteries, people would complain that they aren't big enough.
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I am also having this problem. I am trying your idea right now. I just ordered the Seidio 1750mAh battery and hopefully it helps with not only this issue but overall better battery life. Ill let you know what happens with this charge with the phone off.
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And because most people like to look at porn while at work.
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the battery indicator also seems to not be very accurate. the first 20% or so drops a lot faster than the next 40.
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My battery lasts a good long time longer than my Storm2 or IPhone 3GS. Maybe these people just have defective phones. Maybe expecting to much? I have no issues with the battery at all.
I think I'm getting as good battery life as on the iPhone 3GS, but I like my Incredible more, so I use it more (which has a toll on battery life).
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I don't have any problems. I just charge my battery every night.
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