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Old June 3rd, 2010, 12:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well guys, some bad news over here. Last night while playing around, I noticed that on a blank full screen, in the upper right corner there is a "PM" burned into my Incredible screen where the notification bar would be. It's very faint, but obvious that the screen is burnt in. I've had my Incredible since the pre-orders were shipped.

After doing some research it seems that some people with N1s are having the same issue. Apparently, AMOLED is very susceptible to burn in. Another thing that may factor in is that almost since day one I have run my Incredible at max brightness. I couldn't help it, it's so beautiful.

If anyone wants to test their Incredible, I suggest downloading the Dead Pixel Detect application on the market. It will show blank full screens in different colors. My burn in was most noticeable in blue. I will try to take pictures when I get home tonight and see if it can capture what it looks like.

A few things I've done since I found this:
  • Run on Auto brightness (although some N1 users said they ran on auto and it still happened).
  • The latest version of LauncherPro (which I use) has the option to hide the notification bar on the home screens, which I enabled.
  • Reduced the screen timeout.

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I notice the M from AM/PM when I use the screentest app, but only on the all blue screen.

I leave my brightness set to 75% at all times. I have now also disabled the top bar in launcherpro, but now I don't know if I have alerts or anything, so it is kind of annoying to have to turn off the notification bar.

Really I bet there is a google voice count widget, and I know there are counts on email and sms available, but the bar is just so usable for that. Maybe we could disable the time up there?
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i wonder if it's really permanent burn in or just image retention that will go away.

plasma screens can suffer from what is called image retention. play a video game and the hud will be stuck on the screen for a few minutes or a few hours, depending on the display.

i have noticed very light, but still noticeable image retention on my Inc when waking up in the morning to an app i left on. i very frequently fall asleep while listening to music on XiiaLive(formerly DroidLive). the white volume slider will be burnt into the screen for a few seconds and then completely go away.

i ran the app you mentioned and i also notice the PM in the top right corner. i wonder if it would go away if that app was run for an hour or two while alternating colors every few minutes. i used to run a slideshow of solid colors like the ones in that app on my plasma TV when i first got it and it definitely very quickly removed any image retention i saw.
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the only thing i am noticing is the top 3 or 4 pixels going across the entire phone seem darker (not dead)

can someone confirm that they are or are not seeing this?

whats a good screenshot app so i can show what i am seeing??
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the only thing i am noticing is the top 3 or 4 pixels going across the entire phone seem darker (not dead)

can someone confirm that they are or are not seeing this?

whats a good screenshot app so i can show what i am seeing??
i noticed that too. i would say it's more like the top 2 or maybe 3 lines.

this is all very faint though. you'd have to be looking for it to see it.
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I just search Wikipedia for AMOLED screens and yes they do have image burn-in

Organic LED - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You would think that manufactures these days would stay away from screens that would have burn-in.
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You would think that manufactures these days would stay away from screens that would have burn-in.
Well, I mean most expensive TVs are guilty of the same thing, but people still drop thousands on them. In this day of technology, quality > longevity
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I'm trying to decide if I should try to get it replaced at this point. My screen is also quite pink at low to medium brightness. I've heard others were getting replacements for the pink issue as well.
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Well, I mean most expensive TVs are guilty of the same thing, but people still drop thousands on them. In this day of technology, quality > longevity
The Inc has only been out for a very short period of time and it's already showing cases of burn-in.
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The Inc has only been out for a very short period of time and it's already showing cases of burn-in.
anybody have proof that it's actually permanent? play a slideshow of solid colors for an hour or two and i bet all the burn in you guys are seeing will go away.

it's the same way on plasma screens, but i bet it's much less of an issue on OLED.
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anybody have proof that it's actually permanent? play a slideshow of solid colors for an hour or two and i bet all the burn in you guys are seeing will go away.

it's the same way on plasma screens, but i bet it's much less of an issue on OLED.
There's another app on the market called jScreenFix, made to fix stuck pixels. It runs a color static pattern. I've run it for quite a while to no effect.
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well we are never going to see this in normal day to day use. the am/pm is displayed there 99% of the time the screen if on. i really don't see why this is a huge issue anyway. even if i am running these solid colors i have to put the phone like 6 inches from my eyes to even see it. i'll never see it unless i am looking for it, and even still it's not obvious at all.

maybe it's worse for others though, i can only speak for my display on my phone.

anyway, the pro's for OLED outweigh the cons in my opinion. i love the vivid colors and the deep black blacks. i have never been a fan of LCD.
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well we are never going to see this in normal day to day use. the am/pm is displayed there 99% of the time the screen if on. i really don't see why this is a huge issue anyway. even if i am running these solid colors i have to put the phone like 6 inches from my eyes to even see it. i'll never see it unless i am looking for it, and even still it's not obvious at all.

maybe it's worse for others though, i can only speak for my display on my phone.

anyway, the pro's for OLED outweigh the cons in my opinion. i love the vivid colors and the deep black blacks. i have never been a fan of LCD.
This may be true right now. 5 months down the road the burn in may be very noticeable.
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This may be true right now. 5 months down the road the burn in may be very noticeable.
This is my concern as well. My burn in is very faint, but it's burnt in nonetheless, on a one month old phone. This is very disconcerting for the life of the panel IMO. What if I'm playing full screen games a year from now and there's letters and icons burned into the top of the screen? That would certainly take away from the experience of the phone. Right now, it doesn't really make much difference other than to worry me.

As far as AMOLED, with burn in and the color problems (PenTile), I've changed my mind. It is beautiful no question, and I really didn't mind the color problems, but now add the burn in and I think TFT is a better choice for a phone. The problem of burn in can be managed on a TV, but not on a phone where elements of the screen will be fixed for long periods of time.
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Here's my current home screen and some pics of the burn-in. I am not pleased. If you can't see the burn-in, tilt your monitor a little. Rest assured, it is quite visible to the naked eye.
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Indeed, it seems that our screens are susceptible to burn-in/burn-out (the blue pixels are already wearing out, which is why you see a burned-in image).

Others have had this issue, and were able to get a warranty replacement, but this should not be happening this fast - AMOLED is not supposed to burn out this quickly...
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This looks pretty dismal for those of us that will keep the phone for 2 full years... I change my background and the layout of the icons all the time, and I don't use the flip clock or sense, so maybe I will be ok. I will have to check my wife's phone, she has had the same 8 icons, wallpaper, sense, and flip clock layout since she got hers on release day.
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Here's my current home screen and some pics of the burn-in. I am not pleased. If you can't see the burn-in, tilt your monitor a little. Rest assured, it is quite visible to the naked eye.
That's very noticeable, I can see it in the middle picture too. If this is what it looks like just 2.5 months after release, I really hate to see what it's going to look like in a year. Hopefully by then, we can at least get a replacement.
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Admittedly, I left my screen on all day while at work. Stupid me...I thought I could use it as a desk clock. Still...8 hours * 30 days = only 240 hours.

I've heard Incredibles are now shipping with LCD screens. I will be taking mine back and getting a replacement that they GUARANTEE is LCD...or I will complain until they let me switch to Droid X.
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I've had the phone since launch day. Just looked at mine and no burn in at all. However, I keep my phones brightness cranked way down 1/4 to conserve battery power. That probably explains why I dont see it. I'm wondering if this had any effect in the decision to switch to TFT?
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Yeah, I run my brightness low also for the battery savings alone. I'm usually around 40% and I don't have any sign of burn in.
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Indeed, it seems that our screens are susceptible to burn-in/burn-out (the blue pixels are already wearing out, which is why you see a burned-in
At last. Someone who understands. These are not stuck pixels. The blue pixels actually wear out the fastest and thus their ability to produce light is reduced. This is not burn in. It is burn OUT.

Running at full brightness will do that. That said, no issues with mine and it stays on auto except for movies and some games.
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I run mine at 75% brightness at all times. Though like I said I change my layout all the time. I do, however, see a PM burned in but it is so faint I doubt I would be able to see it if I tried to take pictures of it.
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Does the SLCD fix this problem?
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the only thing i am noticing is the top 3 or 4 pixels going across the entire phone seem darker (not dead)

can someone confirm that they are or are not seeing this?

whats a good screenshot app so i can show what i am seeing??

I have this issue as well. There is a slightly darker area where the notification bar stays. I am not too worried about it though. I plan on replacing the phone in 9 months anyway.

Those with real burn in should demand a replacement. This screen should last at least 18 months.

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Yes. Lcd does not suffer from burn in... Just lame, grey images.
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Just to add a data point, I've had my Incredible for about 3 months, and keep the brightness set at 50%. I ran Dead Pixel Detect and saw absolutely no evidence of any burn-in or burn-out.
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I have had my phone since launch and have none of these problems.

I tend to change my layout around a lot though and I never keep my screen above the medium brighness, sometimes even on low.

I dont see what you can be doing on your main screen to let the am/pm or any other icons on your main screen stay lit on the screen for so long. The internet hides the bar and so do most other apps.
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Just to add a data point, I've had my Incredible for about 3 months, and keep the brightness set at 50%. I ran Dead Pixel Detect and saw absolutely no evidence of any burn-in or burn-out.
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Woah, this thread is still alive.

I will say that I haven't seen any more burn-in/out since the original post. My guess it that running at 100% was a bad idea.
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GHOST IMG. OR thats what the tech called them at best buy when i took mine back. they sell a dvd that can get rid of it. i wounder if someone will make an app for us
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24 hour time ftw. no M for me
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A scrolling feature on the notification bar would be cool.
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For those that are concerned about the status bar, there are many custom ROMs (requiring root) that have various options of hiding status bar icons. I suggest Virtuous ROM (Virtuous ROM).

I myself hide the location, battery and time.
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I have a very very faint line visible from my notification bar when using the blue screen on 100% brightness. Looks like I will be hiding that from now on.
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I NEVER run brightness above 45% and I can see a slight notification bar on blue, and I JUST got this refub within the week.... kinda pissed.
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For any curious about the couple of pixels at the top: Tilt your phone. It's part of the app, some sort of border shading.

I can't comment on the actual burn-in as I have none. This is to be expected though as I do not ever leave my screen on.
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I've had my Incredible since launch; today I noticed that the notification bar has been burned into my screen. It isn't super noticeable but you can read the time, see an alarm, and other things. AMOLEDs and plasma screens are more prone to burn in when compared to LCD, so I doubt any of the S-LCD users have experienced this yet. I was just wondering if anyone else is noticing this?
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People were noticing that issue about 3-6 months in. especially around the clock if you have a blue background up. (blue pixels burn out first on amoled.) I'll see if I can find the original thread.

Here it is:
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People were noticing that issue about 3-6 months in. especially around the clock if you have a blue background up. (blue pixels burn out first on amoled.) I'll see if I can find the original thread.

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Wow. I wouldn't have thought they would burn out that quickly. I think changing the wallpaper every few days has allowed me to delay the burn in for a longer period of time.
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I apologize for bumping this ancient thread, but I figured this was a pretty good time to do so. Many of us Incredible owners are probably getting close to or have passed 1 year of ownership. There are also many of us who probably have another year with our Incredibles and the information in this thread is very helpful. Also, the other thread started by drdoom got me looking into this issue, only to discover that my phone also suffers from it. With that being said, how is everybody's screens holding up after a year?

I am about a month and a half away from 1 year of ownership and I am having the typical burn out at the top of the screen around the notification bar. Using the screen test app suggested earlier in this thread, I can see it on every color except black. There is a faint line running almost all the way across the screen and almost the entire clock is burned in. My Incredible is an AMOLED phone.

So now I guess I start researching ways to hide the notification bar, and start praying my phone has another year left in it.
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Thanks for digging this up, I never saw it.
Since we are all on the internet it's helpful to actually provide the link, since I was looking for blue underlined text.

https://market.android.com/details?id=vidyaworks.oxeye

I've had mine since the release date, no burn in images or dead pixels.
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I knew about burn in with AMOLED when I got my phone and I have tried everything to prevent it from starting to burn in. Despite my best efforts, I started noticing burn in about a month ago and it has progressed significantly since then. I wonder if this would be counted under warranty for an insurance claim.

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Thanks for digging this up, I never saw it.
Since we are all on the internet it's helpful to actually provide the link, since I was looking for blue underlined text.

https://market.android.com/details?id=vidyaworks.oxeye

I've had mine since the release date, no burn in images or dead pixels.
I find that hard to believe if you have the AMOLED screen. Check it at an angle on a light gray screen.
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I gots nada.
I tried it on the gray screen at full brightness.

My display timeout is 1 minute. Although the home screens are the most frequently displayed screen, I'm only there for a few moments before I find an app to go to. As far as time duration, I do a lot of e-reading so I would have suspected that if anything would give me a burn in, it would be from the text. But I use night modes with black background and white text. Even then I use 4 different e-reading apps so the placement and size of the text should all be slightly different from each other.
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After doing some research, almost no warranty services include screen burn in as a valid claim; not even manufacturers.
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had mine since day one. always run at 100% brightness. just ran the DP test and i can see a little burn in if i look for it. but honestly, i dont really care. its not predominate and can only been seem when looked for. lol
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Had mine since day one also. Just went through the DP test thingy, can't see a thing.
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First gen blue oleds have drastically shorter lifetime than red and green (maybe close to half?). Lifetime is measured in hours and relates to how long it takes the peak intensity to drop by 50%. What you're seeing is that the peak brightness has dropped on the blues where they've seen many hours versus the surrounding ones. The clock is always on and being white numbers, it's running all three colors at peak intensity. There's an app out there that'll let you cycle all blue, all red, and all green on your screen. I can faintly see my clock on my Incredible when I'm on the all blue screen. As oleds are improved, and lifetimes are drastically increased, this will become a non-issue. Blues have already seen improvements from AMOLED to Super AMOLED and now Super AMOLED Plus.
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People were noticing that issue about 3-6 months in. especially around the clock if you have a blue background up. (blue pixels burn out first on amoled.) I'll see if I can find the original thread.

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http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-incredible/90406-screen-burn.html
Going to merge the threads; no point in having two identical discussions.
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Thanks for the App. Gave me additional peace of mind.
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