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Old March 23rd, 2011, 02:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default [OFFICIAL]MHL - Looks like microUSB - all HDMI info here

The MHL standard specifies a 5pin port that can output HD video up to 1080p/60 and 192 kHz 7.1 channel audio to HDTVs. And thatís only one of its fancy features. Now for the details.
Hereís what it does

MHL stands for Mobile High-Definition video Link, a standard thatís introduced in 2010 and set to be actively promoted by Nokia, Samsung, Silicon Image, Sony and Toshiba.
The MHL link not only can output video and audio, but MHL-enabled HDTV sets are also capable of supplying the portable playing device with constant 5V, 500mA current so that you can charge your battery while you watching a video on the big screen.
Best of all, you can navigate the multimedia features of your mobile handset with the MHL-enabled HDTV set remote control via the A/V link Ė itís built right into the standard MHL specifications.
The MHL specification also fully supports High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) so you will be able to playback copyrighted content right off the bat making it that much compatible with various video sources.
Itís a regular port too

And it doesnít end there Ė thereís also full support for the standard functionality you are used to see from microUSB ports. So the jack on the Samsung Galaxy S II is backwards compatible with standard microUSB cables so if you are not going to use the TV-out functionality you wonít need any extra cables. Thereís internal wiring that tells the port what has been connected to it (TV or computer) and it puts the smartphone in the appropriate mode.
It might look like a small improvement compared to two separate ports, but itís actually a pretty important step forward. The MHL standard will allow slimmer and more compact devices, without sacrificing any functionality.
I suppose we should see even more MHL-enabled devices come out in the first half of 2011. And we bet MHL connectivity will be the next killer feature to look for when buying a new HDTV.
What the future holds

Besides the current ver. 1.0 of the standard, the MHL Consortium is already working on version 2.0, which should also support 3D playback. We still donít know when that will become ready for the market.





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July 4, 2011:

This subject has advanced quite a bit since the pre-release days. The historical record of this thread, and initial videos on MHL are all found in this post now.

You can feel free to skip this stuff.

The deal is simple: your phone has what looks like a microUSB port, but it's an MHL port. It is capable of acting directly like the microUSB you're already used to on Android - or with an adapter can serve full HDMI and charge at the same time - or with an MHL TV (coming soon) do the same without an adapter.

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Very nice!! Where did you find one of those?
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I apologize if this has been discussed before, but can some one confirm if the HDMI Type D connector that was used on the original EVO would also work with this new connector type? To me it would work out as I have one of those cables.
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I apologize if this has been discussed before, but can some one confirm if the HDMI Type D connector that was used on the original EVO would also work with this new connector type? To me it would work out as I have one of those cables.
Nope, not unless the MHL->HDMI adapter (you'll have to buy separately) has that type of HDMI connector.
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also curious where you found one. looks like the one @ expansys for $16.99 but its on pre-order. does this cable have a micro usb out for charging? I can't tell from the pics but i kind of looks like there is a port on the side.


edit-- looks like it does
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Product description says "simultaneous charging" - don't see how that can be other than a USB charging port. Nice.

EXPANSYS MHL microUSB to HDMI Adapter (Black) #J135B-001B - Expansys USA

And do my eyes deceive me - or isn't that a full-size HDMI socket? Also nice if true.
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looks like this is the one to get. the htc one is $38.99 but comes with an hdmi cable.
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HDMI cables you get from monoprice.com or way good ones for not much from Amazon.

People say cheap HDMI cables are the same as expensive ones - not always true. But -- HDMI cables that say they're rated for HDMI 1.4 along the insulation, available for cheap, are as good.
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I agree. bought 5 or so from monoprice awhile ago. I think they were $4 ea.
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yes the adapter i have has a usb port for charging. it also has a full size hdmi port which is great. no need for additional cables.
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Then that looks perfect and a whole lot less confusing that that Samsung array we pictured earlier in the thread.
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sprint plans to sell the adapter starting july 28. ive got the SKU number written down and i can post it up if anyone wants it or you can send CS an email and ask them. i think expansys is cheaper at 17 dollars. not sure what sprint will charge for it.
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sprint plans to sell the adapter starting july 28. ive got the SKU number written down and i can post it up if anyone wants it or you can send CS an email and ask them. i think expansys is cheaper at 17 dollars. not sure what sprint will charge for it.
Thanks Don't worry about posting the SKU. I was just hoping someone might know of a retailer. I will most likely order one at some point if I don't see something in store by mid-week. I need to stop into my local store in the next day or two anyway to see what they might have for accessories on release day.

I'm honestly looking forward to the mirroring function and just don't want to shell out cash twice: once for the MHL connector and again for an HDMI cable that might not be usable with the MHL connector.
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Having finally purchased micro usb and micro hdmi cables for every place in the house I can use them, out comes a new standard that renders 50% of this obsolete. Yippee!

While I understand that eventually this will provide lots of great functionality and the elimination of additional cables, now we still need two cables + 1 adapter. The fun never ends, does it?
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I "invested" in 3 microUSB cables when I got my Evo. Monoprice, $6.00. These MHL cables seem pretty expensive still. I'll probably hold off until they become more mainstream. Not dying to do the HDMI mirroring right away.
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So I understand there is technically no HDMI out on this thing??? And that is served by using the micro-USB port to an adapter or something??? I would assume there is a cord(or there will be one) that is micro-USB to HDMI???

Also, to capture and play 3D on a 3D television, I assume you record in 3D and then just use the micro-USB to HDMI adapter(I honestly don't know the hardware and the reason for my first question) and then you still have to use glasses to view in 3D on the TV???

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So I understand there is technically no HDMI out on this thing??? And that is served by using the micro-USB port to an adapter or something??? I would assume there is a cord(or there will be one) that is micro-USB to HDMI???

Also, to capture and play 3D on a 3D television, I assume you record in 3D and then just use the micro-USB to HDMI adapter(I honestly don't know the hardware and the reason for my first question) and then you still have to use glasses to view in 3D on the TV???

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The port is an MHL port. It looks like a micro-USB and can accept a micro-USB directly - but it's a new Mobile HD Link port.

See earlier in this thread for adapters that essentially give a Y - with full-size HDMI out and a micro-USB on the side so you can charge via USB while watching via HDMI.

The 3D recording is supposed to follow one of the 3D standards such that video will stream via HDMI to your TV much the same way it would from a 3D satellite or cable channel. Whether or not you'll need glasses will depend on your 3D HDTV - most, but not all, of those TVs require glasses.

We're expecting TVs in the near future, from Samsung at least, to have MHL ports on them. In those cases, only one MHL cable will be required and the phone ought charge while displaying video over that one small cable.

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The port is an MHL port. It looks like a micro-USB and can accept a micro-USB directly - but it's a new Mobile HD Link port.

See earlier in this thread for adapters that essentially give a Y - with full-size HDMI out and a micro-USB on the side so you can charge via USB while watching via HDMI.

The 3D recording is supposed to follow one of the 3D standards such that video will stream via HDMI to your TV much the same way it would from a 3D satellite or cable channel. Whether or not you'll need glasses will depend on your 3D HDTV - most, but not all, of those TVs require glasses.

We're expecting TVs in the near future, from Samsung at least, to have MHL ports on them. In those cases, only one MHL cable will be required and the phone ought charge while displaying video over that one small cable.

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Sorry about what? LOL - no worries compadre!

Simple case of having to learn all about a new port technology in order to use a phone. (The simple part is sarcasm - I mean - srsly - for a phone. Oh, well, newer, better, onward and upward. )
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I am still playing catch up on this thing... And of course I never really used the HDMI out on the 4G until the Netflix app and then I went out and bought a couple of cables just a month ago...now this...hahaha. Oh well, should be holding the 3vo here in a couple of hours.
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So what is everyone doing for an HDMI cable? I can't find one for sale anywhere.
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So what is everyone doing for an HDMI cable? I can't find one for sale anywhere.

I would get the MHL adapter from expansyes or the one tmobile sells for the sensation because it has the same mhl port. One can be found on the tmobile website for $20 and the expansyes one is $16
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any info on mhl 2.0 cable gonna come out or any of u lucky to have e3d already in your hands tryed to hookup ur evo 3d into ur 3d tv ?
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Welcome to the forums!

I've moved your post into this helpful thread with the answers you're looking for - most all on this page, maybe a post or so back on the first page.

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i have the MHL adapter. connected it to one of my 50 inch panna 3D plasmas and nothing happened.. not a thing... used a latest spec HDMI cable.. tried two... all my HDMI patches come from monoprice..
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i have the MHL adapter. connected it to one of my 50 inch panna 3D plasmas and nothing happened.. not a thing... used a latest spec HDMI cable.. tried two... all my HDMI patches come from monoprice..
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wonder where the problem is.... HDMI cable and your TV seem like obvious rule-outs. so.... MHL adaptor or phone...
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OK im an idiot...

i have it working.. you MUST connect the power usb patch cord to the MHL adapter in order to get the gag to work...

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I was just skimming this thread, so I'm not sure if I missed this or not. Do you have to have the MHL link in order for it to work or can you just hook an HDMI cable straight to the TV from the device?
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looking at the sprint lady video earlier, she only had a micro to full hdmi cable, so perhaps you can get JUST the micro to hdmi cable and be done with it. someone much smarter than I will post if this is true or not.
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looking at the sprint lady video earlier, she only had a micro to full hdmi cable, so perhaps you can get JUST the micro to hdmi cable and be done with it. someone much smarter than I will post if this is true or not.
Thought from left field here: Maybe the MHL cable requires external power to function? Not being on the scene, I can't tell. It does sound reasonable from a certain perspective if, on a normal MHL setup, the TV is providing the charge for the MHL where in this case the MHL is at the junction and needs a secondary power source. Something akin to a standalone DVD player versus the one in the computer. I need external power to the standalone to function whereas the computer power supply foots the bill for the internalized one.

All just a guess, mind you. I really have no evidence one way or the other
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good guess. I have had this adapter for some time and when i finally got the phone Wednesday i was THINKING about using the charger on it but i did not see anywhere that stated you had to send power thru it. i thought the power charging was just a feature of the MHL enabled displays and as long as you had the phone with a good charge on it that it was no big deal.. that was my thinking--again im not educated on the MHL spec so its probably written in there somewhere as you may have posted emmex.. nevertheless, i should have just plugged it up anyway to test! i even had HTC on the line.. she was clueless of course. i finally said.. "well let me see if plugging up the charger will help..."

BOOM... it did... and you may be correct in your thinking EMM..
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Ok I was just referred to this thread to this thread to ask my question so excuse me if it has already been answered.

I have a 3DTV and I would like an Evo3D to 3DTV HDMI chord, does anybody have a link to what I would need? Also a link to where I could get an extra E3D to USB chord. I know Amazon and Monoprice, but I'm not used to owning devices with the type of connector that the E3D needs so I don't want to make any mistakes. I mean it's an easy enough mistake to make that people working for phone companies made it at E3 when I told them that I was getting an Evo3D and they gave me what they said would be an E3D to HDMI connector, and it ended up not fitting. So that's why I'm asking if somebody could directly link me to a page so I don't just go, oh that looks right and buy the wrong thing.
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The adapter being discussed on this page is on sale at T-Mobile for $20 - Unsupported Browser

Choose HTC Sensation, then data - you'll see it.
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The adapter being discussed on this page is on sale at T-Mobile for $20 - Unsupported Browser

Choose HTC Sensation, then data - you'll see it.
Will it work with my 3DTV as in output 3D from my phone to my TV? Cause you need HDMI 1.4 for 3D, and well that's why I'm asking.
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whatever your evo is sending out will be sent to the 3d display. so if you send 3D you will see it on your display.

it would help others if they did scan this thread especially the last couple pages around the 21st of this month. i have the adapter and i played GH movie form the handset to a panna 50 inch 3D plasma display. the panna immediately recognized the content as 3D and activated 3D mode.
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whatever your evo is sending out will be sent to the 3d display. so if you send 3D you will see it on your display.

it would help others if they did scan this thread especially the last couple pages around the 21st of this month. i have the adapter and i played GH movie form the handset to a panna 50 inch 3D plasma display. the panna immediately recognized the content as 3D and activated 3D mode.
Did you need an HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 cable for 3D to work?
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You're better off with cables certified for HDMI 1.4 - higher bandwidth.

Cost is the same, you can find them on sale all of the time at Amazon (for less than shipping) - or monoprice.com
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Now I'm just wondering why people are buying a 16-20 dollar adapter when you can get an HDMI to MicroUSB cable for a couple bucks online.
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This hdmi is becoming more trouble than it's worth to me. I bought a cable from the sprint store yesterday which i would come to find only works with the og. on top of that all of my tvs have dvi so I bought an adapter as well from best buy only to find out that the hdmi cable doesn't fit in the first place.

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so there are some of you who have purchased a micro usb to full size HDMI cable and it does not work?

in regards to the MHL adapter, for me, it was a no brainer. I have a couple of latest spec HDMI cables thick gauge and all i needed was the MHL adapter. Did not make sense for me to purchase another cable.
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so there are some of you who have purchased a micro usb to full size HDMI cable and it does not work?

in regards to the MHL adapter, for me, it was a no brainer. I have a couple of latest spec HDMI cables thick gauge and all i needed was the MHL adapter. Did not make sense for me to purchase another cable.
I think it's a matter of getting an all new cable for a couple bucks as opposed to an adapter for them for 16-20.
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I think it's a matter of getting an all new cable for a couple bucks as opposed to an adapter for them for 16-20.
Taking that shortcut removes your ability to charge while viewing - an important issue as driving an external display, especially in 3D, is likely to not be power stingy.

MHL is new, and if anyone's willing to guinea pig the MHL -> HDMI cable, that's great - but I for one won't assume it works because they're selling them. I'm just saying, you know.
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I called up HTC and they told me that for proper 3D viewing on your TV, buy an HDMI 1.4 cable and the MHL adapter.
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id rather have the MHL adapter over the micro to hdmi cord considering what I have read up on the adapter at the MHL site and from videos... 17 dollars is nothing when you have a 600 dollar phone and want to watch BD rips in 3D with the best path possible. im led to believe the MHL adapter is where its at..
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I gotta get one of those. marctronixx where did you get yours?

Edit: Shoulda read the second page. Derp.
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id rather have the MHL adapter over the micro to hdmi cord considering what I have read up on the adapter at the MHL site and from videos... 17 dollars is nothing when you have a 600 dollar phone and want to watch BD rips in 3D with the best path possible. im led to believe the MHL adapter is where its at..
Ok I got the MHL Adapter from T-Mobile and just cannot get it to work? Any tips or tricks?

Nevermind: I did the same bonehead thing you did and didn't have power connected to it. me must to read next time
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Ok I got the MHL Adapter from T-Mobile and just cannot get it to work? Any tips or tricks?

Nevermind: I did the same bonehead thing you did and didn't have power connected to it. me must to read next time
I ordered the MHL adapter last week from tmobile, however the tracking number is still not working even though I got an email saying that the item shipped. Did you have the same problem with the tracking number. What company delivered it (UPS, USPS?).
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