Carriers cut a deal with the manufacturer to be the sole carrier for that phone. Just like AT&T had the iPhone for 5 years. They do it for competition reasons. If they make you want the EVO bad enough then you come to them. If Verizon has a phone you like then you stay there.
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If it were a GSM phone and had the proper frequencies, you could just get the phone unlocked, and swap in a SIM card. But since we're talking CDMA, it's different. These companies know exactly what phones on on their network by using the ESN, so they won't allow an off network on their network, even if they have the proper radios in them.
As for wanting the EVO 3D over the Thunderbolt... Well, the specs on the EVO 3D are better, but the Thunderbolt is an LTE phone on Verizon's network. If you're in an LTE area, I think you'll be more then happy with the performance of the Thunderbolt.
The only downside I see is the battery life. Still, even though the EVO 3D has a bigger battery, that doesn't mean the battery will last longer. You have to remember the battery in the EVO 3D has to drive a 3D screen and WiMax. And WiMax is so full of holes, it's going to constantly be searching for a service ... Searching for service is a power drainer for sho!
Because it forces someone like me who is on big red to jump ship to Sprint because I don't want anything Verizon has right now.
I guess I am in the small niche of people who don't really care about 4G speeds that much. I've been fine with 3G because half the time I am not away from wifi to even worry about it. I have full faith Sprint will come up with someone and start rolling out their 4G again. If not, I'm only with them for 2 years. I don't think I'll be that disappointed in their 4G (which btw has everywhere I am at covered) that even if I only have 3G, I can't live without it for 2 years. In comparison, big red actually has shitty service where I am at. I cannot tell you how many of my friends complain about not being able to hear people and having 0 bars in densely populated areas.
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As for wanting the EVO 3D over the Thunderbolt... Well, the specs on the EVO 3D are better, but the Thunderbolt is an LTE phone on Verizon's network. If you're in an LTE area, I think you'll be more then happy with the performance of the Thunderbolt.
The only downside I see is the battery life. Still, even though the EVO 3D has a bigger battery, that doesn't mean the battery will last longer. You have to remember the battery in the EVO 3D has to drive a 3D screen and WiMax. And WiMax is so full of holes, it's going to constantly be searching for a service ... Searching for service is a power drainer for sho!
True on both fronts but you can turn the WiMax radio off when you don't need it. The same can't be said for the LTE radio on the Thunderbolt. I would bet that the Evo 3d has at least the same battery life as the Evo and Better than with some tweaks.
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I could understand with the iphone and the exclusive deal with att, but htc sells phones to all carriers
just not as excited as with the droid phones as the EVOS right now
Right but HTC makes some exclusives for every carrier. Verizon got the Thunderbolt which is kind of like the Evo 4g. They are a little behind on the HTC front but I am sure more are coming soon. You could always jump ship for the Evo 3d. Sprint will give you 125.00 to port your number which helps with the ETF from Verizon.
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If it were a GSM phone and had the proper frequencies, you could just get the phone unlocked, and swap in a SIM card. But since we're talking CDMA, it's different. These companies know exactly what phones on on their network by using the ESN, so they won't allow an off network on their network, even if they have the proper radios in them.
That's not true. I took my Sprint Touch to Korea and I didn't have to do anything to use my phone on the CDMA network in Seoul except inform Sprint. If you took an EVO to Korea, you wouldn't run into any problems using the EVO either. However, you will have a hefty phone bill when you return. I hand an international phone plan and I still wound up having a $1000 cell phone bill. You have to pay by the minute when using CDMA towers in a different country. But the data in Korea is hella fast. When you have Sprint activate an international plan on your phone you can use CDMA towers in any other country you visit.
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True on both fronts but you can turn the WiMax radio off when you don't need it. The same can't be said for the LTE radio on the Thunderbolt. I would bet that the Evo 3d has at least the same battery life as the Evo and Better than with some tweaks.
I've heard that it's now possible to turn off the 4G service on the Thunderbolt. The question is, have you heard if there kind of power savings, by doing so? Part of the reason I'm asking is because the reason 4G on WiMax seems to drain the battery so badly is because it's constantly looking for for a signal, even in a 4G area due to all the holes in WiMax coverage.
That's not true. I took my Sprint Touch to Korea and I didn't have to do anything to use my phone on the CDMA network in Seoul except inform Sprint. If you took an EVO to Korea, you wouldn't run into any problems using the EVO either. However, you will have a hefty phone bill when you return. I hand an international phone plan and I still wound up having a $1000 cell phone bill. You have to pay by the minute when using CDMA towers in a different country. But the data in Korea is hella fast. When you have Sprint activate an international plan on your phone you can use CDMA towers in any other country you visit.
Actually what I said was true. What happened to you happened because of International roaming agreements. It's the same as you being able to roam on Verizon in the US. The difference is, Sprint doesn't bill you roam on Verizon, as part of your contract with Sprint. So even though your phone will work on Verizon, try taking your phone over to them and activating it with them.. You'll get a big fat "No" from them.
BTW, a foreign carrier might activate a Sprint phone on their network, but that's only if they allow it... They know exactly what phones they've sold and if they wanted, like US carriers, they don't have to allow the activation. Sure they'll let you roam on to them, but like you saw, you'll get a heft bill.
Actually what I said was true. What happened to you happened because of International roaming agreements. It's the same as you being able to roam on Verizon in the US. The difference is, Sprint doesn't bill you roam on Verizon, as part of your contract with Sprint. So even though your phone will work on Verizon, try taking your phone over to them and activating it with them.. You'll get a big fat "No" from them.
BTW, a foreign carrier might activate a Sprint phone on their network, but that's only if they allow it... They know exactly what phones they've sold and if they wanted, like US carriers, they don't have to allow the activation. Sure they'll let you roam on to them, but like you saw, you'll get a heft bill.
For the sake of argument a GSM carrier doesn't have to allow a "foreign" phone onto their service either. They receive the IMEI of the phone instantly and can distinguish wether it was sold by them or not. The difference is that they don't care to do that.
There are US CDMA carriers (Cricket and Boost are the two that I can think of) that will actually let phones not sold by them onto their network.
Currently on a Dx on Verizon, and can't switch as I am on a family plan. I love the Evo 3d from the looks of it, and want it pretty badly.
Will it ever come to Verizon? Any leaked dates?
If it does not, can I use a Sprint phone on Verizon as they are both CDMA?
Verizon is getting the SGS2, though. It's not 3d, but seems to have a slight performance edge. There is also rumored to be a new HTC to be released in September, perhaps the next Nexus device. So VZW will have choices here in the next couple of months.
Verizon is getting the SGS2, though. It's not 3d, but seems to have a slight performance edge. There is also rumored to be a new HTC to be released in September, perhaps the next Nexus device. So VZW will have choices here in the next couple of months.
It was my understanding that Verizon's SGS2 will only be 3G. Or is that not correct? That kills it. Completely. While verizon has the fastest 4G (or 4G like) lte, they have the slowest 3G.
It was my understanding that Verizon's SGS2 will only be 3G. Or is that not correct? That kills it. Completely. While verizon has the fastest 4G (or 4G like) lte, they have the slowest 3G.
That's not accurate. Sprint 3G speeds are slower than Verizon from the testing results I saw. AT&T is number one in 3G speeds.
That's not accurate. Sprint 3G speeds are slower than Verizon from the testing results I saw. AT&T is number one in 3G speeds.
I have both sprint (personal) and verizon (biz phone). And when I had the DroidX on verizon it crawled with 3G everywhere. My EVO when on 3G is considerably faster. Now I have the Thunderbolt for my biz phone on Verizon. I could never go back to 3G only on either network, but Sprint's and att's are acceptable when 4G for some reason is not available, Verizon's is not...IMO.
It was my understanding that Verizon's SGS2 will only be 3G. Or is that not correct? That kills it. Completely. While verizon has the fastest 4G (or 4G like) lte, they have the slowest 3G.
Maybe for you. But the poster I was responding to wanted to port the E3D over from Sprint to Verizon. Sprint's 4G is not LTE, so the E3D would have been restricted to 3G, anyways.
4G LTE phones are slim pickings, and likely will stay that way for a number of months. Personally, I wouldn't want an LTE phone (if I were to stay with VZW) until Christmas timeframe, anyways. But that would matter more on how bad they set up their tiered data plans.
Yeah, the OP's original post is exactly what Sprint wants to hear and why they setup these kind of exclusive agreements with phone manufacturers. For what it's worth I feel your pain... I was jealous of the android lineup on Verizon last year (this year, not so much).
I also agree with the earlier post about having no need for 4G. I can hardly tell any difference on my phone when surfing on wifi vs. surfing on 3G, largely because the speed of the SOC is the bottleneck, not my 3G connection. I guess it would be nice to have 4G for when I'm tethering since my laptop actually has the horsepower to use the speed it provides.
3G comparisions are not very meaningful unless they are done in a controlled manner. While there are reliable stats showing that AT&T 3G is faster overall nationwide, that does not mean that AT&T's 3G service where you live will outperform the other networks.
Sprint's coverage map is extremely accurate based on my experience. Down to street level. Half of my neighborhood gets average reception, and right at my house, the reception goes to shit. The coverage map shows that. So... use the map and see if the locations you frequent are in areas of good coverage.
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3G comparisions are not very meaningful unless they are done in a controlled manner. While there are reliable stats showing that AT&T 3G is faster overall nationwide, that does not mean that AT&T's 3G service where you live will outperform the other networks.
Sprint's coverage map is extremely accurate based on my experience. Down to street level. Half of my neighborhood gets average reception, and right at my house, the reception goes to shit. The coverage map shows that. So... use the map and see if the locations you frequent are in areas of good coverage.
This has been my Sprint experience as well. I mapped kit 3G and 4G prior to purchase and the signals flip right where the maps ago when I travel to and from work. Pretty decent speeds too.
Sprint's coverage map is extremely accurate based on my experience. Down to street level. Half of my neighborhood gets average reception, and right at my house, the reception goes to shit. The coverage map shows that. So... use the map and see if the locations you frequent are in areas of good coverage.
On a related note, sensorly.com is a great site for quickly seeing the coverage maps for different carriers. I've found their maps to be accurate as well. It's a handy tool for picking a carrier with the best coverage for your needs.
3G comparisions are not very meaningful unless they are done in a controlled manner. While there are reliable stats showing that AT&T 3G is faster overall nationwide, that does not mean that AT&T's 3G service where you live will outperform the other networks.
Sprint's coverage map is extremely accurate based on my experience. Down to street level. Half of my neighborhood gets average reception, and right at my house, the reception goes to shit. The coverage map shows that. So... use the map and see if the locations you frequent are in areas of good coverage.
Yep. And I have to say all the carriers maps are pretty accurate down to street level. Fortunately for me Sprint 3, 4G work very well in my home. As does att (SO has att). However I have a network extender for Verizon 3G as reception sucks w/o it...map reflects this on street level. Yet two blocks away Verizon 3g works great. Verizon 4G however is the bomb in my home/ office/everywhere in the metro area.
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3G comparisions are not very meaningful unless they are done in a controlled manner. While there are reliable stats showing that AT&T 3G is faster overall nationwide, that does not mean that AT&T's 3G service where you live will outperform the other networks.
Sprint's coverage map is extremely accurate based on my experience. Down to street level. Half of my neighborhood gets average reception, and right at my house, the reception goes to shit. The coverage map shows that. So... use the map and see if the locations you frequent are in areas of good coverage.
That's an interesting point. I wonder what the spread is like on their networks. Like perhaps AT&T has a higher average due to really high highs, and really low lows. So their spread would be terrible. I wonder if they have a standard deviation of speeds listed I would like to see it for Sprint as well. Maybe they are slower, but maybe they are more consistent as well.
That's an interesting point. I wonder what the spread is like on their networks. Like perhaps AT&T has a higher average due to really high highs, and really low lows. So their spread would be terrible. I wonder if they have a standard deviation of speeds listed I would like to see it for Sprint as well. Maybe they are slower, but maybe they are more consistent as well.
There is a firm that posts that data from time to time. I don't remember who it is and don't have time to look for it right now though, I'm sorry.
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Because if Carriers didn't have exclusive phones they would have to compete based on coverage, rates, and customer service alone.
With exclusives, carriers can draw customers who really really want that one phone regardless of other factors. The best example being the iPhone until earlier this year.
verizon customers need to realize that LTE is new, expensive and currently somewhat difficult to integrate into phones. LTE phones have been delayed and delayed and delayed. It is going to be next year before you start seeing multiple 4g phone releases.
the network itself is too new to handle a ton of new traffic anyway.
verizon customers need to realize that LTE is new, expensive and currently somewhat difficult to integrate into phones. LTE phones have been delayed and delayed and delayed. It is going to be next year before you start seeing multiple 4g phone releases.
the network itself is too new to handle a ton of new traffic anyway.
Earlymon, do you agree with this assertion? Especially about LTE not being able to handle a lot of customers. I know the Verizon network ate it a month or two ago.
Earlymon, do you agree with this assertion? Especially about LTE not being able to handle a lot of customers. I know the Verizon network ate it a month or two ago.
I think tech advances quickly and I would no more predict LTE tower tech in 2012 than I would phones. Probably like all emerging tech, LTE is going to make some happy, frustrate others and either get enriched to do the job or replaced if a better alternative comes along. Substitute WiMAX or any other tech of any kind for LTE in that last sentence, and that's how I feel about those things.
I'm not too prepared to throw rocks at Verizon's LTE handset plans - we've had two 4G phones release on Sprint since the beginning of the year, for a total of 4 at the one-year mark for our 4G. Nothing about the way they (Sprint or Verizon) go about it terribly impresses me where launches are concerned.
That said - those assertions are very common to Verizon customers, so there is that.
(I'm not referring here to the LTE scaling technology and what happens with speed as customers are added, etc etc - just the question: will it handle a lot of customers?)
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I'm going to throw my own $.02 into this thread. I have been a Sprint customer for the past 3 years (on the SERO plan), but I can't upgrade my phone and stay on that plan. At the same time, my wife has been w/ ATT w/ an iPhone. She isn't terribly happy with it.
I live in a small town, but it's a college town - which means we have Verizon 4G coverage all over ... now.
Which means, I am wanting to switch to Verizon (with my wife). I really like the EVO/Thunderbolt. But seeing the EVO2 has me pausing.
... note 1: I like the EVO2 for the better CPU - NOT the dual camera (3d).
... note 2: I MUCH prefer HTC phones because of the satelite GPS (instead of lame aGPS only).
So... I am trying to figure out how long it will be before Vz gets a newer (faster CPU) version of the Thunderbolt? Or is there another HTC phone that Vz carries that is already dual-core?
I'm going to throw my own $.02 into this thread. I have been a Sprint customer for the past 3 years (on the SERO plan), but I can't upgrade my phone and stay on that plan. At the same time, my wife has been w/ ATT w/ an iPhone. She isn't terribly happy with it.
I live in a small town, but it's a college town - which means we have Verizon 4G coverage all over ... now.
Which means, I am wanting to switch to Verizon (with my wife). I really like the EVO/Thunderbolt. But seeing the EVO2 has me pausing.
... note 1: I like the EVO2 for the better CPU - NOT the dual camera (3d).
... note 2: I MUCH prefer HTC phones because of the satelite GPS (instead of lame aGPS only).
So... I am trying to figure out how long it will be before Vz gets a newer (faster CPU) version of the Thunderbolt? Or is there another HTC phone that Vz carries that is already dual-core?
Nothing for now. Vzw only has 3 4G phones right now AFAIK: the Thunderbolt, the Droid Charge, and the Droid Revolution. All single core phones.
The only thing I'm hearing will be dual core and 4G is the Droid Bionic/Targa that's supposed to come out later this year. If you want a dual core 4G phone by HTC on Vzw, you might be waiting for a while.
I'm going to throw my own $.02 into this thread. I have been a Sprint customer for the past 3 years (on the SERO plan), but I can't upgrade my phone and stay on that plan.
You can upgrade by switching to the Sero-Premium plan, which is still cheaper than any of the Verizon plans.
You can upgrade by switching to the Sero-Premium plan, which is still cheaper than any of the Verizon plans.
Not when you've got multiple phones (ie. a family plan).
Or at least, that is what it appears. For some reason, the Vz plans were fairly easy & straightforward. Sprint's plans were written in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Since I might be wrong: compare plans for Sprint vs Vz
2 Evos/Thunderbolts (not cost of phone - just type)
minimum 1000 shared minutes (only going over that as needed)
unlimited data (both)
unlimited text (both)
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I'm new to Sprint, what is this Sero plan? Don't you have to already be on the Sero plan to continue to get the Sero plan?
SERO stands for "Sprint Employee Referral Offer". It is basically a plan that you get only if a Sprint employee gives you their email address.
Under the old SERO plan, I had a smart phone w/ 500 minutes (more than enough), unlimited data, & unlimited texting for $50/month. It was truly an outstanding deal. The new SERO - while still a decent deal - is no where close to as spectacular.
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I'm a complete newb, so please excuse me in advance. I'm sure the second question's naivete in particular will sound annoying, but google couldn't help me.
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Suppose, and this is just an exercise in imagination, that I somehow got hold of an evo-3d in a foreign country. Without Sprint's coverage, would I be able to use it with a random local sim card? I've never had an android phone before. With iphones you just need the famous unlocking for that, but I'm not sure if that's the same as what people mean by "locked bootloader" and such. I have the feeling it's not.
2 - Suposing it is indeed feasible, would I have internet access in a country (say, China) where they only have 3g coverage?
I'm a complete newb, so please excuse me in advance. I'm sure the second question's naivete in particular will sound annoying, but google couldn't help me.
1 -
Suppose, and this is just an exercise in imagination, that I somehow got hold of an evo-3d in a foreign country. Without Sprint's coverage, would I be able to use it with a random local sim card? I've never had an android phone before. With iphones you just need the famous unlocking for that, but I'm not sure if that's the same as what people mean by "locked bootloader" and such. I have the feeling it's not.
2 - Suposing it is indeed feasible, would I have internet access in a country (say, China) where they only have 3g coverage?
Thank you in advance!
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The Evo 3D for Sprint is a CDMA only phone with no SIM card compatibility. The AT&T Iphone for example is a GSM phone with a SIM card slot.
If I was in your shoes I would probably wait a few months until HTC releases the HTC Evo3D "World"/GSM version of the Evo 3D. (bolded for emphasis and excitement) Last rumor I heard is they are planning to release it in Europe in July sometime. You can install a SIM card to have the phone work on other GSM networks (even in China I'd imagine). HTC Worldwide Site; Evo 3D
Also there is a different Sprint phone due to come out around July as well that might strike your fancy, its the Motorola Photon 4G. It is Dual Band/"World" compatible. This means it will work on the Sprint network (CDMA) within the U.S. but if you are abroad you can install a SIM card and have it work on GSM networks.
There is one more "world" phone being rumored about for Sprint's network but there are no real details about it yet.
An unlocked bootloader is in relation to the boot sector of the phone's software. The bootloader is what allows your phone to boot up and start running the Android Operating System. Companies typically have been releasing phones with a ("locked")bootloader designed specifically for retail handsets to only let the phone run and operate in pre-determined file systems. However there are also ways to re-sign/un-encrypt/unlock/replace/edit that bootloader and let the phone boot up and run in other ways that allow the user access to other areas of the phone's file system. It is often referred to in general terms as "rooting". You can gain access to the root level of the file system where you can change/edit/replace things and begin to customize the software of the phone.
You can't root a CDMA phone to work on a GSM network as they are separate hardware systems and operate on different radio frequencies.
Hopefully that makes sense to you, and hopefully I did a good job explaining it as I am not fully versed in Linux/Android technology myself. Any questions feel free to ask. I'm sure others will be along to correct my mistakes in description or paint a more accurate picture. Read Novox's thread that defines Bootloaders more accurately if you want some more clarification http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all-things-root/342046-encrypted-bootloader-properly-defined.html Also if you are interested search around the forums for more information about the specifics of "rooting".
Maybe its time to open a separate or sub forum for the Evo 3D "World" model?
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I'm a complete newb, so please excuse me in advance. I'm sure the second question's naivete in particular will sound annoying, but google couldn't help me.
1 -
Suppose, and this is just an exercise in imagination, that I somehow got hold of an evo-3d in a foreign country. Without Sprint's coverage, would I be able to use it with a random local sim card? I've never had an android phone before. With iphones you just need the famous unlocking for that, but I'm not sure if that's the same as what people mean by "locked bootloader" and such. I have the feeling it's not.
2 - Suposing it is indeed feasible, would I have internet access in a country (say, China) where they only have 3g coverage?
Thank you in advance!
1. no SIM card slot in CDMA phones. Verizon and Sprint phones dont have SIM cards because they are CDMA band phones. but there are "world" phones as explained by the above post. but there are CDMA carriers around the world.. some countries have and some dont. example: my mother went overseas to asia and took her sprint cdma phone. we did not think it would work but her friends that did not know she was out of the country, called her. she got the calls. and the freaking crazy bill too!!
2. if they have 3G servcie that you phone can pick up.. sure.. and of course a high bill too. wifi anywhere is always accessible.
Just because they are free to, does not mean they will. In all actuality, there is likely NO way that they will ever activate a non-verizon phone on verizon.
hey does anyone know if the evo 3d can be purchased unlocked and be activated on verizon?? thanks everyone
No. You may be able to get one working with one of the prepaid CDMA providers like Cricket or MetroPCS but you cannot get it on Verizon's network because they won't add an ESN of a non-verizon phone to their system.
I can't remember but it was either Endgaget or Phandroid it was reported that Tmobile was getting the Evo3D or it may have been another device... something about dropping specs to the FCC or something. I'll try to find it. Nothing for AT&T though.
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OK, I still have the original Moto Droid, and itching to get a new phone, as I am now eligible to get a new one
I thought I wanted the Thunderbolt
Wait
The Bionic looks good
Then I see the EVO 3D, and it looks awesome. But I can't go to Sprint, it sucks big time by my house, and I get a corporate discount with Verizon
Why can't we have it on Verizon? It's CDMA after all.
Just venting, as I am going to make a decision on which new Verizon phone to get
AT&T user here -- wish I could get the HTC EVO 3D so, so much!! (Not interested in the LG Thrill, or whatever LG's answer to the EVO 3D on AT&T is supposed to be later this summer). Wah! :-/
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...).
... note 2: I MUCH prefer HTC phones because of the satelite GPS (instead of lame aGPS only).
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Can anyone shed more light on this sentence?
I am not familiar with S-GPS (it seems to be simultaneous GPS) but appears to be compatible with aGPS.
Most phones reviews I read don't really distinguish between aGPS or S-GPS, and I can't really find much to read on this topic.
Is this really a superior feature of HTC, and when / which phones is the technology used on? Do any other manufacturers use this technology? It seems to be a differentiator, if what is stated is true...
Sprint continues their EVO line of Android Phones with what is certainly a first for them - a 3D phone. The HTC EVO 3D boasts 3D technology on a beautiful 4.3-inch screen and get this: you don't even need glasses to enjoy the 3D experience!
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Why is the EVO3D limited to Sprint (in the USA)?
I would like to see it for Sprint as well. Maybe they are slower, but maybe they are more consistent as well.
