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Old April 2nd, 2011, 06:10 PM   #51 (permalink)
 
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You can't always get what you now can you?
With the rumors of Sprint possibly moving to LTE, I want to be ahead of the game. If you could roam on LTE between Sprint/Verizon life would be awesome. But if you are stuck on WiMax then u are missing out.

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Similarly, if you can't buy a phone that does LTE Advanced, WiMAX 2.0 and GSM with HSUPA+, you're missing out.
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I wonder if the 3D will be the last EVO built? I hope not...
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Watched old school video comparing EVO 4G vs IPhone4 video capture. EVO3D being reported as having the same rated MP camera as IPhone4. Guess this would give an idea what video will look like on EVO3D. Course EVO3D will be full 1080p in 2D video capture. I guess we can expect better quality than one in the YouTube video. Best to watch in HQ.
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EVO3D being reported as having the same rated MP camera as IPhone4. Guess this would give an idea what video will look like on EVO3D.
Uhh mp has nothing to do with the quality of the video being taken so saying that the E3D video capability will be similar to the iphone4 because they have the same mp camera means absolutely nothing.
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I wonder if the 3D will be the last EVO built? I hope not...
Not likely, Increase broadband speed, increase in graphic features, and people wanting to run more processes in the back ground with out device lag. However, I do hope it keeps the "3D" feature in future EVO's . Besides, I don't see needing to upgrade for a long time. I can't see much in the way of taxing this current Dual core setup. It's proven to have plenty of umph and room to grow.
Latest GLbenmark numbers posted using Qualcomm MDP MSM8660 device shows EVO 3D "future" potential. "Spdy" started a thread about it here. http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/309941-sooo-anyone-check-out-gl-benchmarks-3ds-processor.html
I think it would be nice at launch to announce EVO 3D shipping at 1.5ghz. They'll insist on modest clock speeds to max out battery life. Keep battery campers happy. Performance already has improved w/o needing OC by way of tweaks/updates.
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I don't see needing to upgrade for a long time. I can't see much in the way of taxing this current Dual core setup.
The famous last words of just about every top end device known to man. Where there is a will, there is a way! (FWIW even on this site there are more people that don't even see upgrading from their EVOs).
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With the rumors of Sprint possibly moving to LTE, I want to be ahead of the game. If you could roam on LTE between Sprint/Verizon life would be awesome. But if you are stuck on WiMax then u are missing out.
Yeah, that would be amazing.

It would be idealistic if LTE spectrum is auctioned and whichever company buys it owns the rights in that area.
Then there is a roaming agreement between all 3 carriers for each others LTE network.

This would save so much money (not building 3 different networks), spectrum, and it would be great incentive to have LTE nationwide.

Instead we are going to have 3 different companies that cannot afford to build a national LTE network which will mean we're going to have 3 different LTE networks in the same cities while rural areas will still be on 2G.
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Yeah, that would be amazing.

It would be idealistic if LTE spectrum is auctioned and whichever company buys it owns the rights in that area.
Then there is a roaming agreement between all 3 carriers for each others LTE network.

This would save so much money (not building 3 different networks), spectrum, and it would be great incentive to have LTE nationwide.

Instead we are going to have 3 different companies that cannot afford to build a national LTE network which will mean we're going to have 3 different LTE networks in the same cities while rural areas will still be on 2G.
I think we would also have much stricter data caps as well, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but something that here in America we can't seem to accept. In that regard we need to take example from our European brothers.
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I am not sure if this was sarcasm or seriousness. If sarcasm, disregard this entire post.

You can't seriously be expecting for us to maintain all you can eat data plans alongside the blazing speeds and land coverage that people are demanding, can you? Here in America we consume (almost everything) in excess. We demand the unlimited plan because it sounds better, while the majority of people consuming well under 1GB data a month are paying the same as the much smaller group consuming 10's-100's of GB of data per month.
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It was slightly tongue-in-cheek (they do things right we don't) but not at all sarcasm.

I don't naively believe that we have unlimited resources.

I do know that it's possible that LTE was rushed out as part of the 4G marketing war and wasn't necessarily the best technical choice - it's being touted as latest and greatest - it's not - and it's being compared to the Sprint / Clearwire WiMAX debacle where costs are concerned.

First - I'm against selling one thing and then giving another - Dan Hesse recently said he agrees - Sprint Sticks to Its Unlimited Data Guns With New Ad [Video]

Second - WiMAX 2.0 at 300 Mbps was recently codified by the IEEE - IEEE approves next generation WiMAX standard, invites you to meet 802.16m -- Engadget so that and LT Advanced were already on the horizon when this LTE-nonsense move was committed to.

Third - Sprint recently show-cased their new-build tower electronics, where a single, relatively small chassis now replaces a bunch of bulky boxes at the tower base (more capability, significant cost reduction) and a number of micro-celluar 4G tower boxes were shown for sale a few months back - the size of lunchboxes and suitable for mounting on lamp posts.

So - I simply caution against putting the cart before the horse, and not taking anything the carriers say on face value and then coming to what seems like reasonable conclusions - because you very well might draw different conclusions with different information as a basis.

And that included not comparing to countries with different buit-out rates, costs and regulations - but more importantly - let's be careful what we ask for, because we just might get it.
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Thanks for that informative post.

My question is then, in your opinion, can we sustain unlimited data at an affordable level (I suppose the rates we have now are affordable - just so there is a difnition of "affordable" on the table) with nationwide coverage? I personally just see that as a monumental task.

When I was with ATT, people who didn't yet have 3G coverage were up in arms because areas that already had 3G were the ones getting upgraded so that they would have a more reliable experience. Those that already had 3G were up in arms that it wasn't good enough. All the while people were eating bandwidth like no tomorrow (I actually remember seeing charts with the iPhone boom increasing their traffic tenfold). I just don't see the US carriers being able to keep up with the bleeding edge speeds and all the while providing each and every user with unlimited access. Obviously, I do hope I am wrong. I will say that I, for one, see no issues with stopping those that 'abuse' their data plans. I have seen people proudly state that they used 50GB+ the last month and yet we wonder where the network congestion comes from. I am not sure I am pushing that on my landline while watching netflix for an hour or so on a daily basis.

I used European countries as an example because they seem to impose caps on data but are then able to rapidly expand their footprint. Don't get me wrong, I am intimately aware that comparing a single (or a couple) EU countries to America in land-mass alone is ignorant, for lack of better words, but I personally don't see it as so over the top. In some ways, I don't see it as so very different from what many companies (such as Sprint) do in chargin extra for roaming. Perhaps if they weren't so worried about setting up blazing fast unlimited data in a very limited setting (thus dumping most of their money into only a handful of locations), they could expand their current network to provide thos non-roaming speeds to many more people. America's gluttony for data in big cities seems to halt this.

I suppose I should also comment on companies saying you get one thing and giving you another as well. Frankly, I agree with you. That said, this is not what I was proposing, or condoning, or anything along those lines. AFAIK, the EU lines make it very clear what you are getting with your data package. I think the current ATT pricing model does it the most like they do in Europe.
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My question is then, in your opinion, can we sustain unlimited data at an affordable level (I suppose the rates we have now are affordable - just so there is a difnition of "affordable" on the table) with nationwide coverage? I personally just see that as a monumental task.
Not shirking the question at all - but honestly, I don't enough information to come to a conclusion by quantifiable means - only qualitative ones.

So, while we're trying to puzzle out what costs what, I can only say that they're taking in $8+ billion a year, and creative accounting for the tax man is surely involved in their earnings statements.

And with the cost of 4G plummeting while capacities increase, I think it's equally possible that the task is monumental - or it just takes the corporate will to lead rather than to follow.

You see now what I meant by the frustration of a qualitative decision without data.
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Hey, nothing wrong with forming an opinion with what you got, right? I can certainly respect your point of view, however. Perhaps I see things oversimplified, but a larger, faster network means more customers and more money in. If they have the means, what the heck are they waiting for? Unless of course they want to give us the least amount that we will still be happy or content with, which is also possible.
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I am not sure if this was sarcasm or seriousness. If sarcasm, disregard this entire post.

You can't seriously be expecting for us to maintain all you can eat data plans alongside the blazing speeds and land coverage that people are demanding, can you? Here in America we consume (almost everything) in excess. We demand the unlimited plan because it sounds better, while the majority of people consuming well under 1GB data a month are paying the same as the much smaller group consuming 10's-100's of GB of data per month.

Unless you own a block of shares in Sprint stock, how they provide unlimited data is irrelevant to you.

I think you've talked yourself into going to Verizon/Thunderbolt.

You want LTE
You want a kickstand
You want data limits
You want a recessed camera

That's Verizon, so just change over and make yourself happy.
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Data cap? Carriers are pushing people to phones that are quick, streaming, at a low cost, and then they want to whine about capping data?
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I will say that I, for one, see no issues with stopping those that 'abuse' their data plans. I have seen people proudly state that they used 50GB+ the last month and yet we wonder where the network congestion comes from. I am not sure I am pushing that on my landline while watching netflix for an hour or so on a daily basis.

I suppose I should also comment on companies saying you get one thing and giving you another as well. Frankly, I agree with you. That said, this is not what I was proposing, or condoning, or anything along those lines. AFAIK, the EU lines make it very clear what you are getting with your data package. I think the current ATT pricing model does it the most like they do in Europe.
IDK how people use 50GB a month...but not sure how someone could have an issue with it when they are paying for "unlimited" data. If I pay for unlimited data, that means, I want unlimited data. Not, hey, if i am using a ton of bandwidth because I paid for an unlimited data plan please cap me...if this is your issue, hop over on VZ. They shut down "abusive use"

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Unless you own a block of shares in Sprint stock, how they provide unlimited data is irrelevant to you.

I think you've talked yourself into going to Verizon/Thunderbolt.

You want LTE
You want a kickstand
You want data limits
You want a recessed camera

That's Verizon, so just change over and make yourself happy.
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HI all!

I'm new here, this is going to be my first post. I'm considering switching to Sprint, and have been shopping for plans and devices. I'm VERY interested in the EVO 3d, and wanted to ask a quick question in the hopes that the very knowledgeable folks here can help me to understand...

I read the comment from Bluescreen that "...the EVO 3d specs are set in stone and well known"....well, I have a hardware question. Where is the charging port on the EVO 3d going to be? Will it be on the bottom or the side? It may well seem a silly question, but I travel on business a LOT, and I use the Google Maps talking turn by turn directions a lot....(I'm kinda directionally challenged) and a plug sticking out of the side makes it very difficult or nearly impossible to put my device into a car phone holder....this is actually almost a deal breaker to me.

Thanks for your time, and I hope someone can help me!
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Some online retail store posted this ad about unlocked version of EVO 3D.
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HI all!

I'm new here, this is going to be my first post. I'm considering switching to Sprint, and have been shopping for plans and devices. I'm VERY interested in the EVO 3d, and wanted to ask a quick question in the hopes that the very knowledgeable folks here can help me to understand...

I read the comment from Bluescreen that "...the EVO 3d specs are set in stone and well known"....well, I have a hardware question. Where is the charging port on the EVO 3d going to be? Will it be on the bottom or the side? It may well seem a silly question, but I travel on business a LOT, and I use the Google Maps talking turn by turn directions a lot....(I'm kinda directionally challenged) and a plug sticking out of the side makes it very difficult or nearly impossible to put my device into a car phone holder....this is actually almost a deal breaker to me.

Thanks for your time, and I hope someone can help me!
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Not a silly question, IMO. The charging port (now actually hdmi and usb/charging in one, a new tech known as HML) is on the side of the EVO 3d. I prefer the bottom as well, but as far as car phone holder, there will be docks for your car made to hold the phone with a charging port built in, so it really should'nt effect you, at least not in this particular scenario.

Something like this, I would imagine: http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-HTC-Sprint-Dock-Mount/dp/B00428C5DQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/183-7230236-2784404
The cord actually connects to the base of the dock, where the suction cup is.
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well this is awesome gl benchmark 3.0 is released. I guess this is for mobile devices supporting 3d. maybe will soon see some mobile devices battling it out in 3d content. Go EVO 3D!

GLBenchmark: mobile OpenGL ES benchmarks
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well this is awesome gl benchmark 3.0 is released. I guess this is for mobile devices supporting 3d. maybe will soon see some mobile devices battling it out in 3d content. Go EVO 3D!

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I feel that once everything is finalized, these benchmarks will mean a lot more. This phone is a beast of a machine as it is.
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Those wondering about Netflix and MSM8660. The DRM libs have been installed. Wait and see at moment if Netflix will be allowed at launch with EVO 3D.

YouTube - Netflix Watch Instantly for Android at Qualcomm Booth

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"NFC out in the wild" Google has started test bedding retailers with NFC in my hometown of Portland, Or. If you walk around town you will see "NFC Connect" labels on the front of businesses where you normally see supported consumer credit cards.
I can't comment on EVO 3D supporting NFC at this moment, but if you do a good enough search you may find the answers your looking for. Here is a couple places to get you started.

Gigamesh, claiming himself to be a Sprint rep talks about EVO 3D having NFC Chip
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epic-development/samsung-epic-ec05-update-zip/?PHPSESSID=1i0au6umdutsm8d30eqgcc9dn3

Another place how NFC is Android 2.3.3 "Gingerbread" specific. You can read about here. NFC Gets More Flexible with "Open NFC" for Android

Further searching will find that Sprint has already announced support of Smartphone commerce utilizing RFID protocols by mid 2011. ATT and VZW don't plan to support this until 2012. Major NFC hold up for any phone at the moment is the amount of collaboration required by entities participating in NFC program. I do like Googles approach to keep personal information already setup in your Google account and access being made only by you by approving it on your device.
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I'm new here, this is going to be my first post. I'm considering switching to Sprint, and have been shopping for plans and devices. I'm VERY interested in the EVO 3d, and wanted to ask a quick question in the hopes that the very knowledgeable folks here can help me to understand...

I read the comment from Bluescreen that "...the EVO 3d specs are set in stone and well known"....well, I have a hardware question. Where is the charging port on the EVO 3d going to be? Will it be on the bottom or the side? It may well seem a silly question, but I travel on business a LOT, and I use the Google Maps talking turn by turn directions a lot....(I'm kinda directionally challenged) and a plug sticking out of the side makes it very difficult or nearly impossible to put my device into a car phone holder....this is actually almost a deal breaker to me.

Thanks for your time, and I hope someone can help me!
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I initially was sad to see the charging port move to the side of EVO 3D myself. Once it was explained to as why the sudden switch was approved. I quickly began to understand.
1)Is the need to make sure EVO 3D is cutting edge in technology at launch.
2)Consumers demanded a more robust charging port
3)The need to reduce carrying around different cables.

I use a windshield mounted Garmin Nuvi GPS holder. The Garmin Nuvi is almost identical in dimensions to that EVO 4G. I use a coiled car charger as I do not like things loose. I use my EVO 4G in landscape mode when taking advantage of the GPS feature in my car. This setup has the charging port sticking out the side of the phone while in landscape mode and putting lot of stress on the charging port while plugged in. The bonus to EVO 3D charging port on the side is while mounted to a windshield phone holder in landscape mode the charging cable will now hang from the bottom of EVO 3D and put no stress on the charging part.

"MHL" port as it correctly called being located on the side and EVO 3D ability to rotate 360 degree's. I can be plugged in to take advantage of MHL's other features and it does not get in the way in landscape mode like EVO 4G bottom placed ports while holding the device.

Lastly, The current setup with EVO 3D charging port placement does not allow you to charge while using the kickstand. EVO 3D is currently able to run 8-10hrs on a single charge under extreme usage. EVO 3D is not going to have battery issues as with EVO 4G. You will get a full day usage before needing to charge. I think we should be okay on long trips while using the kickstand on EVO 3D. Make sure you charge up before going to bed.
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How would like to have this many cables sticking out of your device like the one in the video trying to stream Netflix. I guess they could have used a 4G connection to actually get the video to play.

YouTube - Netflix Android

This is a Feb, 12, 2011 video, but notice the snapdragon place card in the back ground.
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Qualcomm's AllJoyn Project Brings Awesome Gaming Potential to Android


YouTube - Proximity-Based Peer-to-Peer Gaming

quirky video but like the MMO potential on EVO 3D.
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This is obviously from jan, 2011. Gives a good idea how long EVO 3D has been in the making. Since EVO 3D is the only 3D device supporting MSM8660 in the coming future. Funny, one goof ball talks about Thunderbolt and that was not even Qualcomm center piece at the event. I thought this gives a good example of what to expect from EVO 3D when outputting 3D content to a HDTV. I think it is safe to say EVO 3D will take lead on many different stats and functionality. EVO 3D will be standing on top and talked about.
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EVO 3D is currently able to run 8-10hrs on a single charge under extreme usage.
What would you consider "extreme usage?" I regularly stream TV from my slingbox or Orb account. My Evo typically lasts ~2-3 hours during these sessions. One time I mirrored content from my Orb account to a TV for ~ 40 minutes & the phone got H-O-T!!

I guess what I'm trying to say is, what's "extreme usage?"
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i would guess .. extreme means.. constant use...
say watching a movie and a few games.. non-stop.

that would be amazing!
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Hmmm, 8-10 hrs under heavy use. If I do nothing but browse on the EVO with my 1750 mah battery gives me 6-6.5 hours of internet surfing. If the 3D can go for 8-10 hours on a 1730 mah battery that's astounding.
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I initially was sad to see the charging port move to the side of EVO 3D myself. Once it was explained to as why the sudden switch was approved. I quickly began to understand.
1)Is the need to make sure EVO 3D is cutting edge in technology at launch.
2)Consumers demanded a more robust charging port
3)The need to reduce carrying around different cables.

I use a windshield mounted Garmin Nuvi GPS holder. The Garmin Nuvi is almost identical in dimensions to that EVO 4G. I use a coiled car charger as I do not like things loose. I use my EVO 4G in landscape mode when taking advantage of the GPS feature in my car. This setup has the charging port sticking out the side of the phone while in landscape mode and putting lot of stress on the charging port while plugged in. The bonus to EVO 3D charging port on the side is while mounted to a windshield phone holder in landscape mode the charging cable will now hang from the bottom of EVO 3D and put no stress on the charging part.

"MHL" port as it correctly called being located on the side and EVO 3D ability to rotate 360 degree's. I can be plugged in to take advantage of MHL's other features and it does not get in the way in landscape mode like EVO 4G bottom placed ports while holding the device.

Lastly, The current setup with EVO 3D charging port placement does not allow you to charge while using the kickstand. EVO 3D is currently able to run 8-10hrs on a single charge under extreme usage. EVO 3D is not going to have battery issues as with EVO 4G. You will get a full day usage before needing to charge. I think we should be okay on long trips while using the kickstand on EVO 3D. Make sure you charge up before going to bed.
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So what you are saying is that if you have your Evo 3D plugged into your computer charging at your desk you can just rotate it to the right and still watch in landscape mode (the charge port side would be facing up)?
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So what you are saying is that if you have your Evo 3D plugged into your computer charging at your desk you can just rotate it to the right and still watch in landscape mode (the charge port side would be facing up)?
Yes, long as you were holding it. kick stand doesn't flip out on that side. Though with the dock being a very likely accessory they should have the kickstand flip out the opposide compared to how it is now. That way if you wanna watch and charge you can without the dock too.
This is of course discussing the kickstand on the htc case.
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Hmmm, 8-10 hrs under heavy use. If I do nothing but browse on the EVO with my 1750 mah battery gives me 6-6.5 hours of internet surfing. If the 3D can go for 8-10 hours on a 1730 mah battery that's astounding.
It's not that astounding. According to this test from Laptop Mag, the Droid X got 40% more usage on a full charge than the Evo. The Droid X's 1540 mah battery is only slightly larger in capacity than the Evo battery.
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It's not that astounding. According to this test from Laptop Mag, the Droid X got 40% more usage on a full charge than the Evo. The Droid X's 1540 mah battery is only slightly larger in capacity than the Evo battery.

My cousin has a Droid X and that phone has insane battery life. Doesnt even come close to my EVO.
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My cousin has a Droid X and that phone has insane battery life. Doesnt even come close to my EVO.
Not that it matters, but my Curve battery lasts all day and most of the next. Now, that's probably attributed to the smaller screen but still...
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On another note, do you think that it will take longer to achieve full access custom ROMs due to the 3D cameras and toggle switch? It took months after it's release for the EVO to gain full access ROMs.
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I initially was sad to see the charging port move to the side of EVO 3D myself. Once it was explained to as why the sudden switch was approved. I quickly began to understand.
1)Is the need to make sure EVO 3D is cutting edge in technology at launch.
2)Consumers demanded a more robust charging port
3)The need to reduce carrying around different cables.

I use a windshield mounted Garmin Nuvi GPS holder. The Garmin Nuvi is almost identical in dimensions to that EVO 4G. I use a coiled car charger as I do not like things loose. I use my EVO 4G in landscape mode when taking advantage of the GPS feature in my car. This setup has the charging port sticking out the side of the phone while in landscape mode and putting lot of stress on the charging port while plugged in. The bonus to EVO 3D charging port on the side is while mounted to a windshield phone holder in landscape mode the charging cable will now hang from the bottom of EVO 3D and put no stress on the charging part.

"MHL" port as it correctly called being located on the side and EVO 3D ability to rotate 360 degree's. I can be plugged in to take advantage of MHL's other features and it does not get in the way in landscape mode like EVO 4G bottom placed ports while holding the device.

Lastly, The current setup with EVO 3D charging port placement does not allow you to charge while using the kickstand. EVO 3D is currently able to run 8-10hrs on a single charge under extreme usage. EVO 3D is not going to have battery issues as with EVO 4G. You will get a full day usage before needing to charge. I think we should be okay on long trips while using the kickstand on EVO 3D. Make sure you charge up before going to bed.
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Thanks for the responses! Your explainations make sense. May I please ask another question, along the same lines? (Please keep in mind that I am considering switching to Sprint and am looking at the new EVO 3d, and that I am currently on TMO and running a Nexus One)

I currently use my Nexus One in portrait mode, because the stock O/S doesn't rotate the contacts list or phone dialer into landscape. I have to position it this way in order to have access to both the GPS functionality and to the screens I need for phone calls. (I pair my device with a bluetooth car speakerphone when driving) With the EVO with HTC's gui, when the phone is rotated into the landscape mode do the contacts list and phone dialer rotate to the appropriate orientation? Or is it similar to the N1 and contacts and dialer screens stay in portrait despite the EVO's being in landscape?

I know, I'm detail oriented...but I'm an engineer...and just wait til I get up the courage to ask about Sprint's service compared to T-Mobile's, and about their coverage around Dallas/Ft. Worth!! Bha-ha-ha-ha!!!

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I used to live in DFW and traveled daily all over Texas for business. Sprints coverage was always good. So, to save you some time in regards to your second question, here is a recent thread regarding Sprint service in Texas:
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Those wondering about Netflix and MSM8660. The DRM libs have been installed. Wait and see at moment if Netflix will be allowed at launch with EVO 3D.

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What is your source. The video states the DRM libraries are an option. How do you know Sprint chose to add the libraries?
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It makes no sense to provide a qualitative assessment of usage (extreme usage) with a quantitative assessment of battery life (8-10hrs). Not that the info is false; it's just not useful.

Tell me quantitatively what that 8-10 hours really means. Not all usage affects the battery the same way. For example:

Customizing my ROM's skin for 8 hours straight is extreme usage in my book but probably won't make a big dent in the battery. Though my brightness setting will also affect the results.

Using Google Nav for 8 hours straight.... is impossible IMO given the Evo's track record. So far, I've not experienced anything that drains a battery faster than using the Nav. It's less than 2 hrs on the Evo.

Next big drainer is actual talk time. Can the Evo 3D allow for 8-10 hours of phone calls?

Some games drain CPU fast, depending on the volume of computation it's doing. Other games barely tickle the battery (think Sudoku).

Next, are we talking about 3G/4G/wifi for data? Each will require different levels of power. How much is syncing in the background? How many widgets are on your homescreen? etc. etc.

Obviously there are a lot of variables that can all be lumped under "extreme usage," so I'd want some quantitative usage made public along with "8-10 hours" before I'm convinced the device's battery life is much better than the Evo.

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I'm not sure which thread this fits in to be on-topic, but it's not really off-topic.

Earlier, novox77 and I discussed full HDMI output and input devices - and the subject of gaming on the 3D has come up as well.

This vid courtesy of ari-free who posted it at Phandroid (long vid at 7+ minutes, but I think worth it) -

YouTube - HTC Flyer tablet OnLive Steve Perlman

I don't know much about gaming, but I've heard things like the XBox and the PS3 (if I got that right) are quite the deal. Seems to me that cloud system does as advertised - gives the console experience on mobile devices - so, if they add 3D games to that stable of goodies...
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It makes no sense to provide a qualitative assessment of usage (extreme usage) with a quantitative assessment of battery life (8-10hrs). Not that the info is false; it's just not useful.
You spurred this question from me. On my OG D1 I was able to use the phone when the battery was unplugged. Is this the same for the EVO 4G? Hopefully this is the same for the EVO 3D because I hate having to keep my phone plugged into the car charger while driving on long road trips.
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You spurred this question from me. On my OG D1 I was able to use the phone when the battery was unplugged. Is this the same for the EVO 4G? Hopefully this is the same for the EVO 3D because I hate having to keep my phone plugged into the car charger while driving on long road trips.
Oh, I get it. You mean can the phone run on A/C power without a battery. Cause my kneejerk response when I first read this was: no; the phone goes dead the instant the battery is yanked, evidenced by the countless times I've soft-bricked my phone doing stupid stuff.

I don't know the answer to this, but I think I'm going to go try it in my car right now. I do this a lot on laptops when it's just being used at home and I'm not traveling much with it. Better for the battery (stays cool and somewhat discharged).

I'll report back with my field test shortly.
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You spurred this question from me. On my OG D1 I was able to use the phone when the battery was unplugged. Is this the same for the EVO 4G? Hopefully this is the same for the EVO 3D because I hate having to keep my phone plugged into the car charger while driving on long road trips.
No it doesn't work on the evo.
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Oh, I get it. You mean can the phone run on A/C power without a battery. Cause my kneejerk response when I first read this was: no; the phone goes dead the instant the battery is yanked, evidenced by the countless times I've soft-bricked my phone doing stupid stuff.

I don't know the answer to this, but I think I'm going to go try it in my car right now. I do this a lot on laptops when it's just being used at home and I'm not traveling much with it. Better for the battery (stays cool and somewhat discharged).

I'll report back with my field test shortly.
That is exactly what I do (as I sit here on my tablet with the battery pulled and the laptop plugged in). IIRC, there were some DInc users that were able to do it but the majority were not able to.
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Unless you own a block of shares in Sprint stock, how they provide unlimited data is irrelevant to you.

I think you've talked yourself into going to Verizon/Thunderbolt.

You want LTE
You want a kickstand
You want data limits
You want a recessed camera

That's Verizon, so just change over and make yourself happy.
Thanks for that suggestion! I would rather be active here and on Sprint forums where I can make a difference (no matter how small) rather than jump ship. OVERALL I am happy with my service and my phone, but not 100% (hence the activity here and on Sprint forums as to what can be done better).

To clarify, I didn't say I wanted LTE ever (that is to say, if Sprint doesn't add LTE to their mix, I won't lose any sleep). What I DID say is that I want Sprint's 4G (whatever it may be) to actually expand. If that is LTE, great. I would be happy with WiMax expansion (seriously, go read what I have said).

I want a kickstand, and I have one. Just like everyone else is allowed to have their opinions (including you), I have mine regarding the removal of the kickstand. I think it sucks. If it sucks bad enough on the 3D, guess what, I don;t need to go anywhere since I already have an EVO.

A recessed camera would be wonderful. JUST for that feature, I wouldn't pay an ETA and get virtually the same phone on a different network. Do I wish the camera was recessed especially with 2 giant cameras on the back of the 3D? Sure. Is it a deal breaker? Don;t know yet. THat is why there are discussions about the product.

Data limits - again, putting words in my mouth. I was and am simply musing that unlimited data is not going to be here to stay. I never said I wanted it to be limited. I said I don't see how truly unlimited data can go on forever (again, please do read what I have actually said on the matter).
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Looks like others have confirmed what I've discovered from my field test: you cannot run the Evo via USB power without the battery. Tested with my car charger as well as the stock wall A/C charger. It doesn't seem wired to support this.
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Looks like others have confirmed what I've discovered from my field test: you cannot run the Evo via USB power without the battery. Tested with my car charger as well as the stock wall A/C charger. It doesn't seem wired to support this.
That's thoroughly disappointing...one thing I wish phones had (pretty sure they don't) is a circuit bypass or something much along the lines of a floating charge for my motorcycle. The charger tests the charge of the battery and if it is full then it stops delivering power to it.
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