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The information being posted is all experimental and developmental. The work is focused on what EVO 3D fans want at launch.

Again, point for the thread is,
*Provide a place for EVO 3D development announcements.
*encourage comments about what you like to see included with EVO 3D at launch.
*Feedback if you think EVO 3D is heading in the right direction based on updates.

*Speculation reports is probably the most important.

Vendors have a need to post about what there intentions are. Appreciate any blurbs you can grab on ESPN 3D supporting the mobile market. Netflix updates on release of Android support. Hulu Plus feeds coming to android devices. Information on software titles and companies with planned releases of 3D software connected to EVO 3D. Vendors will put out feelers and provide good indication of what there intentions are outside cooperate channels. Good example is the number of vendors expressing support to produce cases for EVO 3D.



Best way for me in the future to answer questions is to visit individual threads and do the best I can to answer your questions there. The time I have in the day is quickly evaporating and most feeds will come from my home after work. I am also on the other side of the globe currently so forgive any late responses.

EVO 3D Rumor mill.
Last week we received 48 new test mules and things have picked up considerably around the house. Testing is really taking shape and moving at a good clip. Fortunately, 90 days of development on the previous prototype has lead to a simple port over to Rev.B EVO 3D. Reducing cost and more importantly time.

Everyone already knows about Honeycomb 3.0 is geared for tablets and support for multi core processors. EVO 3D is currently running 2.3 Gingerbread. Gingerbread 2.4 is meant to bridge that gap between smartphones and tablets and allow for better utilization of multi core threading in smartphone devices.

EVO 3D currently is running at 250% efficiency on processor utilization. I would like to attribute that on recent android update we received. I think it is more geared to the flexibility of the .28nm MSM8660 core(s). Current Android update will be implemented and performance results will be updated.

I mentioned July was expected release. Meaning gold copy needs to be completed by June. I said to celebrate EVO 4G original launch we would bump that up by a month. If no snafu's, then we expect to be completed with gold copy in May and delivery for cooperate announcement around that time. Start seeing early reviews of EVO 3D you can expect a release announcement about a week later. Even that is open to speculation as EVO 3D is being locked up tighter then EVO 4G with respects to secrecy.

Lastly, EVO 3D hardware specs are in stone and well known now. EVO 3D has a couple of hardware tricks up it's sleeve and mainly the flexibility of rev.b .28nm MSM8660 silicon. Keep an eye out for GLbenchmark post coming soon under the title of "EVO 3D" and not "Shooter". (Pending approval)
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Add to the speculation party. Best Buy is going to honor buy back plans on those lucky chaps that purchased there EVO 4G at Best Buy. Purchase buy back price is being worked out. I would text 1311 often and check on your current upgrade program as Sprint is taking a second look on upgrades to support EVO 3D. Stay tuned.
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I normally don't talk about skunk works. This one is to cool for school. Kudo's to WifiMaxed for posting the video on future 3D technology. Most know that you can watch video on you laptop, desktop, and HDTV via streaming content. Yesterday we ported EVO 3D into a laptop, desktop, and HDTV using 3D technology from EVO 3D. While this might not be ground breaking technology. I know from most fans here, it does mean, what will EVO 3D do for me? You can not only control games, movies, photos, music, and never leave your couch. If you have a 3D HDTV you can do, games, music, video, photo, and movies in 3D as well. If you handbreaked a 3D flick on to EVO 3D it shows up w/o glasses in 3D on your screen. What is even more impressive you can contol volume level, fastforward, skipe ,pause right from the handset. I just watched "How to train your dragon" in 3D and it is nuts. If you play a 3D content game on a 3D HDTV aka Splinter cell it pops. This is a industry first from any cell phone manufacture and a good indication of more good things to come. Next we are going to move MHL to dock with laptops, desktops, and HTPC. EVO 3D is blurring the lines for being the center piece for all home entertainment needs.
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Those who want 10mp and Panoramic 180 degree photo. Start asking about it on Sprints web site and any other forum you can think about.

You all have seen fish eye on original EVO 4G. The only thing we have done is allow each camera to do the same thing. Simple algorithm has allowed us to match both shots as one and create. what would appear as a stadium snap shot. It results in almost a 180 degree photo. So if this is something you would like to see at launch. Talk about it.
10mp photo. Simple over lay of each snap shot with both 5mp cameras. MSM8660 processor can do this on the fly and take each photo over lay them and create a 10mp photo. I don't know why this is not included with EVO 3D. If this is something you would like included at launch say so.
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NFC is a no go then i assume? since you say hardware is set in stone and theres been no mention of NFC on board correct?
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Bit disappointed about the lack of NFC, but I don't think any HTC phones are sporting this feature. Shame because I think NFC could really take off over the next year or so and it would be great to have a phone that supported it.

That said, this and the Pyramid are looking like top reasons to remain with HTC when I upgrade later this year
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NFC is a no go then i assume? since you say hardware is set in stone and theres been no mention of NFC on board correct?
This why I need a single thread. In another thread mentioned that I cannot comment on NFC silicon. Hardware is set in stone and also stated that EVO 3D has some tricks left up it's sleeve. I also stated that NFC might be up to the Dev Community to work out. Does EVO 3D have a NFC chip, I cannot say. It's not something to be expecte to be annouced at launch. I think with some helpful leaks to DEV community you might see NFC on the android market. Now does that mean EVO 3D has a NFC silicon built into the hardware. I will be the first to tell you "No" "No" "No" cause I have children to feed.
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Can yall make a photo and video editing program.......with the 1080p and 720p 3d recording it would be great if it came with it's own video editor.
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Can yall make a photo and video editing program.......with the 1080p and 720p 3d recording it would be great if it came with it's own video editor.
In the works and part of the EVO 3D Hollywood pack. I think it makes sense to have some sort of video editing suite?
Maybe part of Sprints Suite 3D. I don't know as it's to early to tell. I do know we will presenting the software for it.
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Those wondering. EVO 3D is dual channel memory. I have guys in testing right now to see if we can incorporate tri channel memory as with "Shooter". It is our hopes that we not only meet/beat the GLBenchmard set by "Glacier" EVO 3D will remain supreme on future benchmark posted.
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Add to the speculation party. Best Buy is going to honor buy back plans on those lucky chaps that purchased there EVO 4G at Best Buy. Purchase buy back price is being worked out. I would text 1311 often and check on your current upgrade program as Sprint is taking a second look on upgrades to support EVO 3D. Stay tuned.
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Sounds like NFC tech will come with the Evo but the kernel won't do anything with it out of the box. Just like the Wimax LED indicator on the Evo.
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In the works and part of the EVO 3D Hollywood pack. I think it makes sense to have some sort of video editing suite?
Maybe part of Sprints Suite 3D. I don't know as it's to early to tell. I do know we will presenting the software for it.
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The Qualcomm MSM8660 SoC is definitely manufactured on the 45 nm process not the 28nm process. The first Qualcomm SoC to use the 28nm process is going to be the MSM8960 which will be available at the earliest late Q4 but more likely next year.
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Good thing EVO 3D will launch with the latest Android OS. Read this article and thought share it here.
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Got the new cases for EVO 3D including kickstand. The cases will replace the original shell. On the upside it is tough and stable compared to EVO 4G. Testing the new case was performed by drop checking. The kick stand out and dropping EVO 3D from 3ft the kickstand did not bend or result any damage to EVO 3D. I even pressed down on EVO 3D to test it's breaking point and 40lbs was when it gave way. The new cases meet and exceed what we the "Fans" would expect as a upgrade to EVO 4G original kickstand.

Lastly, Duke Nukem is slated to appear on EVO 3D. Currently in talks to provide Duke Nukem "Forever" in 3D for EVO 3D. Early beta testing shows EVO 3D can play Duke Nukem above 30fps no problem. It will be up to cooperate execs if this will be included at launch. Duke Nukem is not demo'd at launch. We can all expect it shortly there after on android market.

Finally, those watching the news have seen the latest snap shots of "Pyramid" and it will only be sporting 768MB or RAM.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/03/htc-pyramid-more-pics-more-specs-add-up-to-great-looking-phone/

EVO 3D will support 1gig of dual channel RAM at launch. (Flagship device)
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duke nukem.. full game or ... test trail thing? hate that crap!!!

if the new case is to replace the shell... not to cover the shell..
why not just drop the old shell and only ship with kickstand shell? I am just sayin.
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duke nukem.. full game or ... test trail thing? hate that crap!!!

if the new case is to replace the shell... not to cover the shell..
why not just drop the old shell and only ship with kickstand shell? I am just saying.
The original prototype had the kickstand built in. Original prototype cost wise would result in a price margin that would not be acceptable to those willing to upgrade from original EVO 4G. The inclusion of larger battery required fabrication to achieve a built in kickstand. I would like to see the case included in EVO 3D box for customers to make there own choice. I posted before not everyone is a fan about having a kickstand. I personally think it is essential as it made the original EVO 4G device a must have. I have, read, listened, and posted on "AF" about what the fans expect. So this is what "We" are left with and at least kickstand is a option. Next move for me is to make it painless as possible and to have the case included with EVO 3D packaging at launch.
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Answer you question about DN3 4ever being trial version or full game. DN3 has not received gold copy status. It will launch in May for home devices. DN3 for the mobile market, this is unheard of? EVO 3D is the only mobile device that can handle this kind of CPU/GPU and Memory requirements. I think will get a taste of DN3 at launch with a full pay version on the Android Market via 3D realms. One thing to keep in perspective is that you will be able to play this via a laptop,desktop, and HDTV. There is not a singnal device at this moment you can hold in your hands and do this with. Hands down a win in the consumer market.
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G-sensor on EVO 3D is the bomb. We have included BT library for D-pad devices, but why? I have never felt anything as precise as EVO 3D G-sensor. Playing games on a laptop, desktop, HTPC, in 3D. You "will" want to use EVO 3D instead of a d-pad. I felt more immersed in the game using EVO 3D. If I wanted to jump, I would lift EVO 3D and my character would jump. I wanted to crouch. I would move EVO 3D down and my character would lay down or crouch. I played Splinter cell on a 3D hdtv with a BT d-pad and it felt old school. The G-sensor on EVO 3D surpassed any d-pad. It takes some time to get used to but well worth it IMHO. HTC made a smart move with MHL on the side as I can play for hours and not have the charge port get in the way of my right hand.
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Let's set aside your tendency to type .28nm instead of 28nm and just focus on the digits themselves. Like Auzo has pointed out, the MSM8660 is built on 45nm architecture.

Not .28nm.
Not 28nm
But 45nm.

But I'm sure you know all this right, Mr. Intel engineer?
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To add to the speculation. Were getting new test mules in the house. I think the hardware guys got a love for Darth Vader. Everything about EVO 3D is all about black. Expect EVO 3D to have a black grill. Only one LED light on the right hand side.
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I can tell you that nobody has seen EVO 3D GLbenchmark results. Android latest udates supports multi core processors. We expect further improvement never seen before in any moboile device.
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Why do you keep double posting? You know there is an edit button right?

EDIT: And actually, lemme pose it as a question. Is the MSM8660 in the Evo 3D:

a) .28nm architecture
b) 28nm architecture
c) 45nm architecture
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The original prototype had the kickstand built in. Original prototype cost wise would result in a price margin that would not be acceptable to those willing to upgrade from original EVO 4G. The inclusion of larger battery required fabrication to achieve a built in kickstand. I would like to see the case included in EVO 3D box for customers to make there own choice. I posted before not everyone is a fan about having a kickstand. I personally think it is essential as it made the original EVO 4G device a must have. I have, read, listened, and posted on "AF" about what the fans expect. So this is what "We" are left with and at least kickstand is a option. Next move for me is to make it painless as possible and to have the case included with EVO 3D packaging at launch.
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I highly doubt they would include a "shell" for customers to choose from in the box. The last thing they will want is customers wanting to be swapping out the contents of the insides to a different shell on their own.
Now am I mistaking this as in when you say "shell" you are just meaning a new battery cover itself? since seeing the phone and the little HTC case I always thought why couldn't HTC just make a back battery cover that was slightly thicker and be flush with the top of the camera lip and include the kick stand also?
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I highly doubt they would include a "shell" for customers to choose from in the box. The last thing they will want is customers wanting to be swapping out the contents of the insides to a different shell on their own.
Now am I mistaking this as in when you say "shell" you are just meaning a new battery cover itself? since seeing the phone and the little HTC case I always thought why couldn't HTC just make a back battery cover that was slightly thicker and be flush with the top of the camera lip and include the kick stand also?
I'm pretty sure the answer lies in the cost of making it flush and adding the kickstand.
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if it was a cost thing.. htc would not include both shells in the package!

shell.. i would assume it is just the back cover replacement.
but there were nokia is the past that could have shells replaced with all sorts of colors/themes. that was hugely popular with the ladies.
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HTC wouldn't be including it, Sprint would. Unless I'm missing something. Plus I'm sure the 'shell' won't be flush or thicker than the original. Or I could be way off base and HTC really does believe that most customers don't want the stand.
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it has to be thinker.. to include the kickstand...
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I wonder if the EVO 3D is going to be given out at this year's Google I/O, just like the original EVO was last year.

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It's a month away, but the package that everybody received at Google I/O was basically the production package on release date a month later.
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Well this is interesting and would be nice if we get this shortly EVO 3d launch.

IEEE approves next generation WiMAX standard, invites you to meet 802.16m -- Engadget
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Sounds like galaxy is going to have hulu. Wondering if EVO 3D will be far behind?

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As long as it's better than iMovie. That was pretty exciting until it launched, at which point people became aware they couldn't do a damn thing with it. It will also be key to editing 3D movies seeing as how I am not sure there even is any other consumer software on the planet that does this.
yes theres 3rd party software for editing, man you guys have to get unamazed by 3d, its not new at all, its cool as hell, but not amazing. Would be nice to have out the box editing tools though.
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Any word on netflix? That could make or break it for me in the end.
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I think this might answer your question about which processor EVO 3D has.
Sprint Announces HTC EVO 3D Android Smartphone at CTIA | Android Headlines
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The inclusion of larger battery required fabrication to achieve a built in kickstand.
So the 1700mah battery is physically larger than the 1700mah batteries currently out on the market for the original EVO?
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So the 1700mah battery is physically larger than the 1700mah batteries currently out on the market for the original EVO?
The original Evo 4G came with a 1500mah battery. Are you referring to the 3rd party 1700mah batteries out for the Evo 4G? if you are it has been shown that 3rd parties are full of sh*t when it comes to honestly rating their batteries. 3rd party batteries that are rated at 1800mah are shown to be no better than the OEM 1500mah battery.
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Bottom line is that you can't make a higher capacity battery, of the same technology, without increasing the size of the battery. So yes the Evo 3D is larger because it has to be.
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The original Evo 4G came with a 1500mah battery. Are you referring to the 3rd party 1700mah batteries out for the Evo 4G? if you are it has been shown that 3rd parties are full of sh*t when it comes to honestly rating their batteries. 3rd party batteries that are rated at 1800mah are shown to be no better than the OEM 1500mah battery.
BatteryBoss Calls Out False Capacity Claims!

Bottom line is that you can't make a higher capacity battery, of the same technology, without increasing the size of the battery. So yes the Evo 3D is larger because it has to be.
There actually is one that I have been made aware of sold by Sprint (not sure if it's an HTC or a Seidio). I do know the Sedios are as good as what they are rated for though (based on users actually getting more life from them) and they are no bigger than the stock battery. I am sure the battery increase isn't about cramming more juice into the thing, but rather using the space within the battery itself more wisely.

EDIT: I did have a look at that chart and it does have Seidio on there as one of the dishonest. Admittedly the battery in question isn't on the list though. I do believe it is a 1750mah battery I am referring to.
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There actually is one that I have been made aware of sold by Sprint (not sure if it's an HTC or a Seidio). I do know the Sedios are as good as what they are rated for though (based on users actually getting more life from them) and they are no bigger than the stock battery. I am sure the battery increase isn't about cramming more juice into the thing, but rather using the space within the battery itself more wisely.

EDIT: I did have a look at that chart and it does have Seidio on there as one of the dishonest. Admittedly the battery in question isn't on the list though. I do believe it is a 1750mah battery I am referring to.
I would agree that Seidio is a top tier 3rd party vendor but that doesn't make them immune to exaggeration. In the chart I linked there is a lightly used Seidio 1750mah battery listed and the actual capacity is even lower than an OEM battery at 1383mah. Its for a TP2 and not the EVO but they are very very similar.

I have heard the anecdotal evidence as well but there is a reason that placebo pills work. People can easily be manipulated into believing a non-existent something is having an effect on them, either positive or negative. Its because of this I trust numbers more than people.

I also understand your point about using your space more efficiently. Thats the whole reason apple doesn't have replaceable batteries (besides trying to rape you later on replacement costs). By removing the modular packaging you leave more volume for actual battery capacity. But I can tell you this, even if you completely removed the packaging of the EVO 4G's battery there is no way you could pick up an additional 250mah. Thats just not enough space.
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I wasn't, by any means, trying to imply they are immune to exaggeration. I was simply stating that the 1750mah battery seems to give better life for most users, which I find peculiar if it is, in actuality, a lower mah rating. I'll go back and look at the chart as I honestly must have missed that battery. All that said, how many of any given battery did they test and where did they get them? Just curious.

EDIT: I see the TP2 battery at 1750 mah, but not the EVO one. Are they the same? I don't know... Interestingly they have an EVO battery labeled as 1800mah on the list, however try as I might I cannot find that as a purchasable product online. I do see a 1750mah battery for the EVO by seidio however.

Again, I base my statements purely on what I have read about extended batteries from the people that claim to have used them. As far as I can tell they took a single battery to run their tests. While the results are compelling, I would hardly call them scientifically conclusive.

Not here to defend any one side, I simply find it peculiar that users are seeing increased battery life with these batteries when they should actually be seeing the same or less. I am not sure the placebo effect is in place here. I have literally seen people show their screens of their uptime increasing with these batteries. They aren't imagining it, it is simply happening (unless of course they are all going through the trouble of photoshopping their images, which I suppose is possible, but not probable).
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I'm just hoping the battery goes from 7am - 7pm without me babying it at the end of the day.

Side note: Apparently Droid Life will delete your comments. I should point out, my remark on there was, "You're a spokesperson for this site and you are posting information that is just flat out wrong. I would think you would make sure you are correct before making something absolute." Tim-O-Tato appears to be the one deleting comments. Just an FYI for you DL followers. They just lost major points for that.
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Sprint Announces HTC EVO 3D Android Smartphone at CTIA | Android Headlines
Wondering if the article is entirely accurate, as it claims that there will be the Adreno 225 in the Evo 3D, when I've heard everywhere else it'll be a 220. Could just be mistyped too...
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All MSM8x60 SoC processors use the Adreno 220 - Mobile Processors | Snapdragon | Qualcomm

Note the Evo 3D is a featured product on that page.
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How will the hardware/software implementation be for the Camera?

I'm more concerned about the Picture/Video quality rather than the 3D.

Will both 5mp cameras cooperate to increase quality? 10mp?

Better software/hardware implementation?
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How will the hardware/software implementation be for the Camera?

I'm more concerned about the Picture/Video quality rather than the 3D.

Will both 5mp cameras cooperate to increase quality? 10mp?

Better software/hardware implementation?

This we won't know until someone gets a more hand-on look.
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If the phone doesn't have a sim card, it won't be capable of LTE. For LTE you need a sim card.
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If the phone doesn't have a sim card, it won't be capable of LTE. For LTE you need a sim card.
Err.. why do you keep posting this?
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I want an EVO that will be capable of LTE. 3D won't have LTE.
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I want an EVO that will be capable of LTE. 3D won't have LTE.
You can't always get what you now can you?
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