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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default How is 4G/3G data service on the Evo 3D?

One thing holding me back from getting an Evo 3D is the Sprint service it's tied to. I know it's still a bit early to judge but I don't have that much more time to decide.

On the Evo 3D specifically, how do you view internet usage on both 4G and 3G? Loading web pages, internet apps like Facebook, Twitter, IM services, streaming music and video, video calls, etc.

I want to know some real world, honest opinions on the data speed instead of just looking at them on paper. Are they fast enough where things run smoothly, or do you notice any lag. Also has anyone experienced dropped calls on the Evo 3D yet, that's another concern for me as I'm not as familiar with Sprint but I know my mom's Epic 4G doesn't get great reception where she lives.

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I'm not sure how it'll compare to your Mom's Epic, but I've had a great experience with my 4G and with my 3vo so far with data and I've never had a dropped call at all.
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I'm not sure how it'll compare to your Mom's Epic, but I've had a great experience with my 4G and with my 3vo so far with data and I've never had a dropped call at all.
Well she doesn't live in a city with a 4G network, and she lives outside the metropolitan area so she doesn't get great service anyways, but it's good to hear the 4G is working well for you.

Another thing I've heard is bad reception in building, have you experienced that? Also I know with Verizon 4G you can talk and surf the web, can you do that on Sprint's WiMax? How fast do you notice different things loading up?
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Well she doesn't live in a city with a 4G network, and she lives outside the metropolitan area so she doesn't get great service anyways, but it's good to hear the 4G is working well for you.

Another thing I've heard is bad reception in building, have you experienced that? Also I know with Verizon 4G you can talk and surf the web, can you do that on Sprint's WiMax? How fast do you notice different things loading up?
You're not gonna get great 4G reception in a building, but 3G and voice seem to work fine for me. I'm pretty sure with 4G and wifi you can talk and surf the web at the same time, but not with 3G (on sprint). I surf the web and play on facebook and check emails constantly and they're plenty fast even on 3G.
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Last question, is Navigation good. GPS maps is one of my most used apps on my iPhone but because of the slow data speed I can't do turn-by-turn navigation and the maps load really slowly. I'm gonna guess it loads at a good speed, but I want to make sure.
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I haven't used it on the 3vo yet, but it was fantastic on the 4G. I'm about to test it out now actually since I have to go deliver some concert tickets. I'll try to get back to you.
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on 3g it was very good, took only 40 seconds to load phonedog, which to me is quicker then the evo 4g, which took maye closer to a minute, so 3g speeds have been good, I get no 4g in my area
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My 4G data is considerably faster than it was with my original EVO in the exact same areas. Haven't tested data much in 3G, yet.
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Last question, is Navigation good. GPS maps is one of my most used apps on my iPhone but because of the slow data speed I can't do turn-by-turn navigation and the maps load really slowly. I'm gonna guess it loads at a good speed, but I want to make sure.
I used google maps on the mytouch 3G before Sprint and the maps loaded fine even when 3G wasn't available.

When I switched to Sprint, I used the 4G prior to getting the Evo 3D. 3G and turn by turn worked flawlessly. The 4G/3G handoff worked fine as well. I experienced no issues in Nav.

I tested out the E3D yesterday. In all three travel destinations, 3G/4G and handoffs between each, no issues were experienced. I have faith in this phone to get me where I need to go and tell me when to turn.
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The GPS locks on quickly, the 3G signal reception is on par with every other phone sprint offers, and sprint's service is alright. It's not as ggood as big red's (Verizon), but for the massive cut in cost per month, I can't complain missing 3g in extremely isolated areas. As long as I've had sprint, I'd still reccomend them to anyone over other carriers. The service is good, and the price is nice.

As always though, signal is signal. Check maps for around your area in terms of coverage from allthe carriers. Choose first from the carrier that provides btter service to your area, then go from there. The phones are last to choose.
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Data service will always vary depending on where you are. I have been with Sprint for 11 years. It works great where I am (Southern Illinois) and when I'm on the road traveling. I do get into roaming in rural areas but the phone always works fine.

My brother has an iPhone and is on AT&T. It works great for him in Lousiana but sucks when he comes back to our hometown in So. Illinois. My service isn't all that great when I go visit him in Louisiana. No carrier can cover everything.

Still waiting on 4G here but when I go to St. Louis or Chicago it flies! 8-10 Mbp speeds easy. Your best bet is to talk to people in your area. Go for service first and pick your handset next.

Google Maps turn-by-turn navigation worked great on my original EVO and it works great on the EVO 3D as well.

I use Google Maps navigation daily so I sold my Garmin GPS unit 6 months ago....
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I'm in St. Louis, MO. Running SpeedTest I find that my 4G speeds are 10 Mb/s down and 1 Mb/s up. 3G speeds are 1.2 Mb/s down, 600 kb/s up. That was on Friday afternoon, with full signal strength for both 3G and 4G (I can see the tower for goodness sakes!). I've seen better 3G speeds in the past, but that's what I saw on Friday.
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I live right next to Chicago, so I'm fully covered on all networks 3G and 4G. My thing is speed and usage in buildings. It seems like Sprint would get the job done but Verizon would do it a lot better. Pricing would be the same for me on either contract so it really just comes down on weather to focus on a better phone or a better network, good/great vs great/good
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Well, I moved on from the Hero and always argued that it never really had the EvDo rev.A speeds it was supposed to. Anyways...

That said, using the E3D in the same locations as the old phone, I've noticed a much better connection and throughput. The WiFi is awesome (especially that it is "N" class) and that flies as well. The 4G where available is just SICK speed! All in all I'd have to say they've done their homework and it has great connection, speed and throughput capability.

Loving this freakin phone, lol
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I previously said that sprint was a bad network for being inconsistent with their 4g speeds.abound to the speed test app I get about 3 mbps with 2 bars of 4g but I get 5 mbps with 1 bar in missouri. In ACTUAL download speeds, I hit up to 9 mbps here where I live even though the speed test app says otherwise. Just thought others might want to know.
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Connection speeds depend on how good the service is where you live, and how many people are using the local network. If you live in a major city you will most likely have a good connection, but if there are a lot of people using the network they will make your connection slower. For example if you go to a local major sporting event you might have trouble uploading pictures to facebook because everyone else in the stadium is using the network.

In contrast if you live in the woods and the closet sprint cell tower is a few miles away your service will be slower because it takes longer for your connection to ping. Ping is the time it takes for you to send information to the cell tower and the time it takes for the cell tower to reply to what you sent it. I live in a Sprint dead zone only get 1-2 bars in analog roam so I called up Sprint and had them send me a free Air Rave (voice over ip) now I get full service at home now.

Speedtest is a good app that I use all the time to test my network connections speeds. I was in Puerto Rico last week and the hotels WiFi was 3 times slower than the local 3g service (1 MBPS download). One a side note, I have been testing my download speed at home on my old EVO 4G and on my EVO 3D, the 3D is 3 times faster than the 4G. 3d gets about 7.5 MBPS and the 4G gets about 2.5 MBPS.
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Ive been meaning to ask this about sprint 3g for a while. Did sprint slow it down or anything? When I first got the evo 4g the 3g was blazing fast....then the last few months if having the phone and now with the 3d if I dont have a wifi connection forget it...
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Right when I first got this phone I noticed slower speeds but a profile update resolved it. Here right outside of Nashville TN I have both 3 and 4G and this thing is smokin'!
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I previously said that sprint was a bad network for being inconsistent with their 4g speeds.abound to the speed test app I get about 3 mbps with 2 bars of 4g but I get 5 mbps with 1 bar in missouri. In ACTUAL download speeds, I hit up to 9 mbps here where I live even though the speed test app says otherwise. Just thought others might want to know.
The max I have hit on Sprint's 4G WiMAX (on OG EVO and 3VO) was 13.23 mbps DS. My avg is anywhere around 6-7 mbps DS though. I wish I still had the screenshot of the max speed I received. My SD card decided to go poop on me
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I'll probably get thrashed soundly for posting this opinion... but for most of the stuff you do on your phone a 3G connection is more than fast enough and 4G is too much of battery hog to be usefull. This is true regardless if you are talking Sprint 4G or Verizon 4G.

For browsing the web, 3G (even at sub 1Mps speeds) is fast enough for mobile sites and for desktop websites the phone is CPU bound. The CPU can't render pages fast enough to make full use of a 3G connection, much less 4G.

For navigation 3G is plenty fast enough to download maps. Again, it's cpu bound.

The one time where a bigger pipe might help is if you are streaming a high bitrate video stream. But with the way 4G kills your battery you are restricted to fairly short video clips anyway.
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I won't thrash you soundly, but I will note that my web pages render more quickly when in wifi (5 Mbps down) vs 3G (900~1200 kbps down).

I'm using the stock browser, UAString set to Desktop, no mobile view, javascript on, always on embedded content.

Besides actual bits per second - there's latency for the connections, and most web pages have many, many connections.

I'd say take that into account when assessing if 4G is right for you. Everyone's mileage varies a bit on this one.
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Yeah, I know there is a bit of difference but I guess I'd question if it's a significant amount.

I know going from single core to dual core makes a noticeable difference in web page rendering speed but if you open something like engadget on 3G vs. wifi any idea what the difference is (I don't have an E3D yet so I don't have a way to test)?

I agree that latency of 3G networks is probably a pretty significant factor in the performance (or lack thereof).
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Ah. Ok, yes depends on source. I don't visit Engadget anymore but I can say without doubt the rendering speed is quite different on this phone vs. a single core (say: 3vo vs. my old Evo) - very noticeably, more so if there's plenty of Flash content.

Ditto on wifi vs. 3G of this forum on the dual-core - I'd say it's VERY easily noticeable - lots of javascripting here.

I'd venture some number differences, but I don't have data in front of me (from my own tests) at the moment to back up anything I'd say.

I'll just say - you don't need to be OCD or use a stopwatch to see the timing differences - they're grotesque.
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It does depend on the type of site you go to, any site with flash content will really slow things down. Having the phone load 90% of the site and then hang for another minute while it renders the flash content drives me nuts.
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Like I say, everyone mileage varies and on 4G vs. 3G vs. wifi, and I've seen latency make the difference, where 3G would load faster than 4G but slower than wifi - all interchangeable and variable depending on where I was getting those services.

Dual-core doesn't hide or mask anything, but it is faster across the board than single-core.
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Sprint just confirmed their deal with LightSquared for a LTE 4G network. I understand the need for advancement but I am a little upset that I will virtually never get to use my WiMax Radio on my Evo3D here in Arizona. We have one small WiMax area in the Phoenix area about 50 miles away from me and there are no plans for WiMax expansion. *sigh* Disappointed.

I'm happy with 3G speeds. I'm ok with it. I love my Evo3D itself, completely happy with it. Just disappointing I'll never get to use that portion of my Evo3D in the area in which I live. I wish they had started including LTE Radio's in their phone in which they know WiMax will be unavailable in a few years. Unless I misunderstand the technology a WiMax phone cannot connect to LTE, right?
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Sprint just confirmed their deal with LightSquared for a LTE 4G network. I understand the need for advancement but I am a little upset that I will virtually never get to use my WiMax Radio on my Evo3D here in Arizona. We have one small WiMax area in the Phoenix area about 50 miles away from me and there are no plans for WiMax expansion. *sigh* Disappointed.

I'm happy with 3G speeds. I'm ok with it. I love my Evo3D itself, completely happy with it. Just disappointing I'll never get to use that portion of my Evo3D in the area in which I live. I wish they had started including LTE Radio's in their phone in which they know WiMax will be unavailable in a few years. Unless I misunderstand the technology a WiMax phone cannot connect to LTE, right?
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I hope they drive a stake through LightSquared's heart, I really do. Anyway - follow the links, see the Pentagon seething with anger over this. Awfully nice satellites they're proposing. Sure hope they don't have any little accidents.

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Interesting! I'd really like to see WiMax expansion or at least support. Especially in Phoenix Az. It's horrible here and that's no exaggeration.

I know New York just got a substantial WiMax coverage improvement and Phoenix has been sitting for over a year with basically no coverage at all and no plans for coverage expansion. You can imagine, it's frustrating. As I said before, I am happy with my 3G speeds so it's not something I would, for instance, leave Sprint over. It'd just be nice to use my 4G radio when I wasn't in a WiFi zone.

Basically, I'm hoping for continued WiMax support until Sprint has no more WiMax phones in it's lineup. Doesn't the Evo3D support "WiMax 2"? That might hold possibilities.
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This is speculation so take it for what it's worth...

I would guess that sprint will continue to support (and expand) their wimax network for a number of years to come as part of their network vision effort (basically consolidating the various cell towers they have and upgrading the tower hardware to support all the various frequencies and protocols they use). Hopefully they have included support for LTE in their network vision plans.

For LTE I think (hope) the lightsquare deal is just a way for sprint to get started on LTE now... I think their real plan is to use the iden 800mhz spectrum for LTE when they transition their push to talk customers off of iden and onto their CDMA network. However, the iden transition is years away from completion, which sucks, since that iden network is using ultra-lucrative spectrum.

Lightsquared makes me wary... I haven't been impressed with the way they've handled the interference issue. They now say they have a new solution that's supposed to fix the interference issue but the PR on the topic has seemed a bit light in the loafers... I hope sprint found some way to verify their claims before they signed on the dotted line.
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If I had to chance to sign that agreement, I would. Then I'd collect penalties when they can't deliver. From the Ars article above -

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Yeah, but at the rate lightsquared is going there won't be any money left to collect.

I couldn't tell from that article if the comments were about the deployment plan that failed miserably or if they were talking about the newly proposed plan that lightsquared came up with. I hope the latest plan does work out... but until they actually run that plan thru another test I'm not sure I place much stock in what either side is saying.
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Here are my 4G data speeds in Maryland, best I've seen.

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From since I have had my 3d, got on 6/19, my 3g speeds have been very poor averaging between 300 and 500 kb, they sued to be about 900kb before. I just did about 10 tests and averaged about 1800 kb. The last test was 2250. My 4g speeds averaged about 7500 kb but have always been excellent and in a similar range. Did Sprint change something I don't know about or was this one of those flukey days when everything is ideal? My company also recently added a 4g tower on top of our building so I get about 10mb of 4g at work - don't ask how..we just got an email about a month ago saying that the Sprint 4g tower was completed.. I tested and got 10 mb where before there was no 4g. I am Jacksonville Florida for the record.
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From since I have had my 3d, got on 6/19, my 3g speeds have been very poor averaging between 300 and 500 kb, they sued to be about 900kb before. I just did about 10 tests and averaged about 1800 kb. The last test was 2250. My 4g speeds averaged about 7500 kb but have always been excellent and in a similar range. Did Sprint change something I don't know about or was this one of those flukey days when everything is ideal? My company also recently added a 4g tower on top of our building so I get about 10mb of 4g at work - don't ask how..we just got an email about a month ago saying that the Sprint 4g tower was completed.. I tested and got 10 mb where before there was no 4g. I am Jacksonville Florida for the record.
My speeds for 3G and 4G depending on where I am in the general Nashville area have been great overall. I noticed you mentioned that your company received a tower on their building... I wonder if that has anything to do with the mysterious "Corporate 4G" that has been discussed on the forums since the last update.

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I just got my 3d yesterday after being an evo user for almost a year. My evo 4g was rooted and running mikmik rom.

I love the 3d so far. It is considerably faster, the battery is way better, and I like the feel more as well.

The only issue I seem to have is it seems like the 3g is considerably slower then it was on my evo 4g. When I am on wifi or 4g it is the same, just really slow on internet or facebook etc when using the 3g connection.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there a fix??

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Go here and do ths. Had the same problem with mine.

[How To] Retrieve MSL and speed up internet faster - xda-developers
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Also, I had no problem getting my MSL from Sprint. Told them my 3g was slow and found a fix but needed my MSL to do it. Gave to me with no questions asked.

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This question really can't be answered effectively. I live in an area with "broad" 4G coverage and pretty good coverage overall. I can get greater that 1000bk DL speeds on 3G about 1000 feet from my house yet can't get more than 200kb at home. In that same distance, I can get 3700-4000kb down on 4G but when I get close to my house, it drops off. These numbers vary widely depending on the time of day as well due to tower traffic.

The bottom line is that even within a small area, it is hit or miss depending on distance to tower, interference, and tower congestion.
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Default Still having really bad 3g speeds? Fixed finally!

The Evo 3d was stuck on 1xRTT with the 5xxx PRL. Spring pushed the 28081 PRL update. So update your PRL then dial ##3282#, enter your MSL, go to "Data" then hit "reset"

Walah! I'm back to good 3g speeds finally.


To get your MSL, I simply called sprint and told them I needed the MSL for dev purposes.

For me, updating the PRL didn't fix it, it was the combination of resetting your data profile after updating the PRL. I'm sure everyone knows this but to those of you still frustrated (like me before twenty minutes ago) this is the trick.

I used to pull like 120kbps over the air at my home, now I'm at 900kbps and I have not one signal bar in my home. I have wifi/airave but I turned all that off to test.
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Noticed that my download speeds were a bit faster the other day, over 3G!

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http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/11/mysterious-service-update-on-htc-evo-3d-seems-to-bump-up-3g-speeds.html

Anyone noticed anything like what is described here? I am curious if it is similar to the adjustments described in a thread here which some of us, including me, have done. I am on work travel and not following the forum closely now, apologies if this has already been posted and I missed it.
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Unfortunately, I haven't kept track of my actual 3g speeds from before the update. If it increased my performance, it wasn't enough for me to notice.
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I ran about 6 speed tests today, got the mysterious update yesterday, and I'm getting a little less than posted in the link. But what a dramatic improvement. Hope it lasts!!
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YES! Before id only get 100kbs down and like 50kbs up....sometimes boosted up to .3mbs but that was rare....Now im consistently hitting 1.4mbs down and .90mbs up with only 2 bars in the house.....Good work sprint/htc
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No..actually my 3g speeds were even worse than usual today
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Got the mystery update last night, and my 3G seems somewhat slower as well (according to Speedtest.net app). 4G seems unaffected.
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http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/11/mysterious-service-update-on-htc-evo-3d-seems-to-bump-up-3g-speeds.html

Anyone noticed anything like what is described here? I am curious if it is similar to the adjustments described in a thread here which some of us, including me, have done. I am on work travel and not following the forum closely now, apologies if this has already been posted and I missed it.
Goodandevo.net is full of half-baked stories like this. It's just one guy's guess, and he's stating it like news. And he happened to correlate an increase in 3G speed to that update. Correlation does not imply causation, as many of you are discovering when you check your speeds and see no difference.
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Well, in all fairness a lot of what is posted here and elsewhere for that matter is speculation. I personally have been noticing much better service and data speed as well as, oddly enough, better 4G coverage. I'm not going to question it but just be thankful that at at least I have experienced improvement!
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