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Old July 30th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I decided to use the phone for a few days without a screen protector, because a few a my friends claim that these screens are very hard to scratch. I was extremely gentle with the phone and 2 days later a had a few scratches on the screen. Luckily they are what I would call "micro scratches" and are barely noticeable. But just so you guys know, it is very easy to scratch the screen on the EVO 3D.

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Yea.... it's not gorilla glass oddly enough.
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Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, but according to corning it does have gorilla glass.

CORNING® GORILLA® GLASS | HTC
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yeah, i was under the impression that it was gorilla glass. but thanks for the heads up. i will not be taking my screen protector off anytime soon
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^^^ for thanks for the link to Corning ....i am surprised..
i saw a post by someone... HTC support said it was not GG.
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This is why I got a screen protector on it day one, just like I did with my iPhone 3G when I got it.

I replaced the crappy one I had on it with ghost armor so it is well protected.
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After my replacement 3DVO, I used it for about a week without a screen protector... And wouldn't you know, it happened to be the fourth of July weekend. So while filming some fireworks I burned for the kids, a couple of sparks hit the screen, which ended up burning two pinhead sized areas on the screen. The most visible one burned through pretty deep... Needless to say, I bought a ZAG protector the next day.
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I scratched my screen protector. I always have it in my pocket so I know it's gonna get scratched. Good thing I have a screen protector
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Strange. I've had mine since launch day. no protector...No scratches
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I don't know what all the love for gorilla glass is all about, personally I could care less if the 3vo does or doesn't come with it. Saying a phone has gorilla glass only gives the person a false sense of security. Typically with regular use it is pretty difficult to scratch your screen with regular items like keys or coins or what not but if you come across a few grains of sand(which could be anywhere and not just at the beach, LOL) then I don't care what kind of glass you got, its gonna get scratched. Or if you are in a construction type area where there may be a lot of random abrasive materials then it will probably get scratched as well. So if you are the type of person who is somewhat anal about scratches on the screen, by all means get a screen protector before you rely on gorilla glass. Now me personally, I don't like screen protectors because none of them feel right when I use them, I would rather feel the glass screen against my finger versus plastic. Besides there are products you can buy that can remove those very fine scratches.
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Strange. I've had mine since launch day. no protector...No scratches
Same here. Also scratch resistant is not the same as scratch proof.
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I don't know what all the love for gorilla glass is all about, personally I could care less if the 3vo does or doesn't come with it. Saying a phone has gorilla glass only gives the person a false sense of security. Typically with regular use it is pretty difficult to scratch your screen with regular items like keys or coins or what not but if you come across a few grains of sand(which could be anywhere and not just at the beach, LOL) then I don't care what kind of glass you got, its gonna get scratched. Or if you are in a construction type area where there may be a lot of random abrasive materials then it will probably get scratched as well. So if you are the type of person who is somewhat anal about scratches on the screen, by all means get a screen protector before you rely on gorilla glass. Now me personally, I don't like screen protectors because none of them feel right when I use them, I would rather feel the glass screen against my finger versus plastic. Besides there are products you can buy that can remove those very fine scratches.

What would be the names of these products?
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As much as I love the concept of Gorilla Glass, I have always put a screen protector on my handsets regardless of whether or not it had it. I discovered that my Sprint HTC Hero has Gorilla Glass only a few months ago, probably because it was never widely advertised as having it, but it has always been rocking a screen protector and it is in pristine condition because of it.

Finally, themuffinman75 is right in that grains of sand will eventually scratch your screen. Remember, sand is the building block of glass itself, so it can cause damage to glass.
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After my replacement 3DVO, I used it for about a week without a screen protector... And wouldn't you know, it happened to be the fourth of July weekend. So while filming some fireworks I burned for the kids, a couple of sparks hit the screen, which ended up burning two pinhead sized areas on the screen. The most visible one burned through pretty deep... Needless to say, I bought a ZAG protector the next day.

anything that can burn through glass... like as you described...
no protector can help you!

and that sound extremely dangerous... i am surprised you dont have burn holes in you.
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anything that can burn through glass... like as you described...
no protector can help you!

and that sound extremely dangerous... i am surprised you dont have burn holes in you.
What I didn't realize, is that the EVO 3D glass is plastic. Afer it burned, there was some resudue burned into the surrounding area of the screen. I thought that maybe I could scrape it off with my fingernail but it wouldn't budge. So I used a razor to scrape it off and smoothen out the screen. Otherwise, putting a screen protector on would have been absolutely pointless.

The fireworks I shot off at the time was that cone dealy, that shoots sparks up in the air about 5 feet. I basically did a up close walk-around looking down upon it to give the illusion that the sparks were coming at you, and at some point the wind/sparks must have shifted and a couple of small chemical cinders popped onto my finger and the screen of the device. Despite the minor sting it gave me, I kept shooting... It wasn't until after I finished shooting that I realized the screen was damaged.

It should be up on Youtube3D under "Fireworks in 3D"
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its plastic???? the screen on 3D?? that is a huge shock to me...
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What would be the names of these products?

I guess I will have to google it to see if I can find the specific product. Years ago when the first iphone came out my youngest sister went and bought one, about two weeks later she noticed that there were some very fine scratches on the screen and needles to say it was getting on her nerves. Anyway, one of her friends who worked at a car dealership had some kind of glass polish that he said might work. So she was like what the hell, so we gave it a shot and sure nuff it took the scratches right out the screen. Again, keep in mind that these were very fine scratches where you could see it but you couldn't actually feel it with you fingernails, anything worse than that and it probably would not have worked.
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its plastic???? the screen on 3D?? that is a huge shock to me...
No way. It's glass. No telling what came off after the pyrotechnics.
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What I didn't realize, is that the EVO 3D glass is plastic. Afer it burned, there was some resudue burned into the surrounding area of the screen. I thought that maybe I could scrape it off with my fingernail but it wouldn't budge. So I used a razor to scrape it off and smoothen out the screen. Otherwise, putting a screen protector on would have been absolutely pointless.

The fireworks I shot off at the time was that cone dealy, that shoots sparks up in the air about 5 feet. I basically did a up close walk-around looking down upon it to give the illusion that the sparks were coming at you, and at some point the wind/sparks must have shifted and a couple of small chemical cinders popped onto my finger and the screen of the device. Despite the minor sting it gave me, I kept shooting... It wasn't until after I finished shooting that I realized the screen was damaged.

It should be up on Youtube3D under "Fireworks in 3D"
Is this your 3D YouTube video? I have posted it below and it looks really cool.

‪Fireworks in 3D‬‏ - YouTube

By the way, there is no way that the Sprint HTC EVO 3D has a plastic screen. Those sparks burn really intensely and I have no doubt that they could melt glass or at least leave burned on residue.
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i takes a lot to melt glass.... those fireworks are not that hot...

it maybe that the firework material had attached itself to your glass screen.. then with a razorblade you were able to scrape off the burned up firework material.

your screen is still smooth and undamaged...
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I posted this up before, but I guess it gets buried so people don't get the opportunity to see it. Cliff notes? Glass can be scratched. Go without a screen protector at your own risk.

Let's talk cases for the HTC EVO 3D.

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1) Why you'd want to consider a screen protector (or the risks of going bare):

It's fairly well known that the Evo 3D will be using Corning Gorilla Glass, and I'm sure many of you have seen videos where people have hammered away at Gorilla Glass screens with pens and rubbed all manner of keys, razor blades, etc. against them. But, the videos are worthless.

Gorilla Glass is great and is an improvement over other glass, tempered or otherwise in terms of strength and scratch resistance, but it is not the be-all end-all to scratch problems and many, many, many Gorilla Glass devices have been known to be scratched.

Why?

If you recall from grade school Earth Science, glass is known to have a hardness of anywhere from ~5.5-7ish on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness (which is a scratch test ranking of minerals). Let's assume that Gorilla Glass, because of its improved temper process, is at the far end of that scale -- 7 to 7.5. This means that Gorilla Glass will be scratch proof to most soft metals (iron, copper, nickel, lead, gold, and most types of unhardened steel), plastic, and harsh language. So your keys, razor blades, and paper clips are likely not to scratch the screen.

This however does not comprise the entire universe of things that will come into contact with the screen. What commonly occurring substance will still scratch the screen with ease? SAND. Sand is made of small bits of silica minerals like quartz, and small grains of other hard minnerals, all of which with hardness of 7 and up. These will easily scratch the screen with the slightest bit of effort. Furthermore, it's not unusual for sand and other debris to be caught in the pockets of jeans during the stone washing process (I know I've had to wash jeans with the pockets inside out several times to rid some of them of all the grit and sand), and just stuffing a bare phone into a jeans pocket and subject it to scratching risk.

The videos are fairly silly because I'm fairly confident that with your average glass -- say a window pane, windshield, etc., these things would effectively resist scratching by keys, razor blades, plastic pens, etc. just as well as Gorilla Glass. (Also note that the impact part of it is silly -- how "hard" you try to scratch a surface really plays no role in whether you can or not). When our keys would scratch something, like our older ipods or older cell phones, it's because the screens they used were made of plastic, which is extremely soft -- maybe 3 or 4 at best on the Mohs scale.

Now that most if not all large touchscreen devices have switched to glass in general (the Palm Pre was the last major touchscreen device I know of to use plastic), there is already a significant improvement in scratch resistance, and Gorilla Glass adds a bit more.

Screen protectors are certainly a matter of personal preference, and with Gorilla Glass, we've come a far way in terms of scratch resistance -- enough such that I don't think it's reckless to go without a screen protector. However, it's a matter of managing risk, because there is still a risk your screen can get scratched. At least for me, I'd rather replace a screen protector than an entire screen or worse, live with an imperfection on the screen itself for the lifetime of the device.
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i takes a lot to melt glass.... those fireworks are not that hot...

it maybe that the firework material had attached itself to your glass screen.. then with a razorblade you were able to scrape off the burned up firework material.

your screen is still smooth and undamaged...
Indeed. That is why I said it might have left residue because it burned it a little.

However, if you want to get into the science of it, the aluminum in fireworks can burn at up to 2700 °F while glass melts between 2600 °F and 2900 °F which fits the range. Do, I think that the aluminum actually melted the class on his handset? Probably not, but it is possible. Either way, his handset took one for the team to produce a nifty 3D video.
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ok.. maybe so...

serious question... (which I dont know)
if the glass was melted.. can a razorblade (lower hardness material) be used to cut and smooth out a glass bump?
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Depends on amount of bubbling within the burned glass.

Hardness is an integral result. Plenty of examples of steel cutting glass abound.
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I could have told you that. Same things with my iphone 4. Everyone said it was g glass. Thts a crock. I have light scratches too and babied it.....
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personally, i would rather have fond memories of how good the display looked when i first bought it, rather then have it look and feel like crap from day one with a s.p. . i just hate it when i get a new phone and i peel that distorted bubbly s.p. off and see this beautiful screen on the phone im tossing.
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People rag on them, but I have an Invisishield and love it. (avoid the smudge free one) I have been using plain glass on my Evo for the past few weeks, the shield on the 3vo - it's not bubbly, rough or distorted.
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Indeed. That is why I said it might have left residue because it burned it a little.

However, if you want to get into the science of it, the aluminum in fireworks can burn at up to 2700 °F while glass melts between 2600 °F and 2900 °F which fits the range. Do, I think that the aluminum actually melted the class on his handset? Probably not, but it is possible. Either way, his handset took one for the team to produce a nifty 3D video.
Let's put it this way, if you look closely you can see two seperate layers of where the screen was burned. A layer within a layer, as if there were two or three pieces of glass and a drop of acid was spilled at an angle. Of course the damage isn't as big as a drop, but you get my point. Both locations are about the size of pinheads.

One blemish is off to the right side nears the screen boarder, and the most visible one is 5/8 by 5/8 inches deep from the top left corner. Anyone with pretty good eyesight can see the double layered damage with the naked eye. Plus the way the glass felt during and after a few attempts at scraping off the residue with my fingernail gave me the impression that it was a sort of plastic. Because at some point, the warmthness of the glass had the feel of plastic. But that might be contributed to the power being on while I was shooting just prior.
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are there any pics of e3d.. with broken screen??


here is a youtube of one..
‪HTC EVO 3D SMASHED BY CAR AFTERMATH‬‏ - YouTube

ok.. dont this prove it is glass?

plastic does not spider crack like this... well not that i have seen.
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Yes that definitely looks like glass breaking. Plastic would not break like that.
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People rag on them, but I have an Invisishield and love it. (avoid the smudge free one) I have been using plain glass on my Evo for the past few weeks, the shield on the 3vo - it's not bubbly, rough or distorted.
But you can feel a difference, right?

I used to swear by invisishields, too. There's one still on my iPod. Used to have one on the DX. I got a screen protector from the VZW store. They were horrible. They didn't cover the bezel at all. They were cloudy and they felt like crap. Then I went to the nearest best buy, got one of those shields, and put it on the phone. It was such a drastic improvement that I thought that it was perfect.

Then I got the 3vo. I was waiting for a package that day, so I went to the Sprint store, got my phone, and went straight home without a screen protector. I marveled at how silky smooth the glass felt. I thought it was a drastic improvement over my DX in that regard. Then I got an invisishield. In comparison, it felt sticky/tough to move my finger over the screen. I think that thing was on for a few days before I peeled it off. I peeled the one off my DX, too, to see if it was the same way. Sure enough, silky smooth without the protector.

Since then, I've been looking for a good screen protector that can replicate that smoothness without compromising the clarity. I tried PhantomSkinz. It was better than invisishield, IMO. But it wasn't that much better. Definitely a bit cheaper. Then I got one of these Steinhiel protectors. I probably butchered the spelling. But I got an ultraclear and it feels almost exactly like the bare glass. I compared by gliding my finger over the 3vo with the Steinhiel then the bare DX. Barely a difference.

Are invisishields bad protectors? No. Their biggest advantage is that you can get one now and they fare better than the really cheap ones. But I would never get another one. After feeling how smooth the screens can be without a protector, any protector that doesn't feel close to that is no good. For NextPhone, I'll get a cheap one that is crappy, or go bare, until a Steinhiel is made and delivered.
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My $.02. I used a screen protector on my EVO 4G and was all for using one on the 3VO. The sprint tech reps at the store actually talked me OUT of it. I was ready to spend the cash and they talked me OUT of it, lol. Needless to say for the month I've had the phone I've got zero scratches on the screen.
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True. The screens are fairly resilient. They won't easily scratch with normal use (unlike the old resistive screens), however coins, keys in a confined space like a pocket or a purse will eventually make their mark.
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People rag on them, but I have an Invisishield and love it. (avoid the smudge free one) I have been using plain glass on my Evo for the past few weeks, the shield on the 3vo - it's not bubbly, rough or distorted.

Whats wrong with the smudge free ones? My friend tried to get one for his Evo 4G but they were out. Ended up with a regular one. If he ever replaces he might try to get a smudge free one.
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We have a thread on it, but the smudge-free ones have that orange peel surface and visually distort the qHD display. I've read of a lot of customer remorse with the smudge-free.
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I've watched my son who works for Sprint, hold his phone in one hand and a car key between his fingers and jab at the screen multiple times with 0 scratches.
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I've watched my son who works for Sprint, hold his phone in one hand and a car key between his fingers and jab at the screen multiple times with 0 scratches.
Has he tried sand paper? Or even just sprinkling some sand/grit on the screen and rubbing lightly?
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Just one more reason to buy a Defender for it. Buy once, cry once.
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I had the original EVO since launch day and after 3 or 4 days, it did not have a protector and I had NO scratches on it at all!! Whether it is the same screen or not, I do not know.
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I don't like how the material of this phone is really cheap, this phone not only gets scratches so easily on the screen, but also the metal around it gets chips really easy. After my phone got a few hair scratches on the screen, I Finally ended getting a screen protector for it and now you can't even see the scratches any more. I also had to get a case for it because it got as few nicks on the sides. Good thing i found as pretty cool case that wasn't expensive.
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Let's put it this way, if you look closely you can see two seperate layers of where the screen was burned. A layer within a layer, as if there were two or three pieces of glass and a drop of acid was spilled at an angle. Of course the damage isn't as big as a drop, but you get my point. Both locations are about the size of pinheads.

One blemish is off to the right side nears the screen boarder, and the most visible one is 5/8 by 5/8 inches deep from the top left corner. Anyone with pretty good eyesight can see the double layered damage with the naked eye. Plus the way the glass felt during and after a few attempts at scraping off the residue with my fingernail gave me the impression that it was a sort of plastic. Because at some point, the warmthness of the glass had the feel of plastic. But that might be contributed to the power being on while I was shooting just prior.
Yeah. So, in the end, the damage is not extensive and you got a cool 3D video.

I figure if damage is not really noticeable on a daily basis, then it is probably not that bad. If I could see the damage easily, then it would bother me.
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Has he tried sand paper? Or even just sprinkling some sand/grit on the screen and rubbing lightly?
Not that I know of... What were your results when you tried it?
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Not that I know of... What were your results when you tried it?
Sand will definitely scratch the screen.
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There are way too many environmental factors that will make a difference between whether one person gets scratches and why another person doesn't. Sometimes it just happens. I just noticed a two very small scratches on my screen just yesterday versus having my original evo 4g for a year without a single blemish. I have been in St.Thomas, Virgin Islands for the last few weeks and I go jogging on the beach every single day so I kind of expected it to happen eventually, that sand/silica will do you in for sure.
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I don't see why people are so against spending $3-10 to protect the screen of a $199-699 device. Makes no sense. Plus the matte/smudge proof ones might be rough looking but it's better than wiping 10000 fingerprints off of it a day.

Personal preference I guess.
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Strange. I've had mine since launch day. no protector...No scratches
same here i have it in my pocket, at the gym, and everywhere else i can think of. I have no scratches on it, and I don't even baby it.
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I don't see why people are so against spending $3-10 to protect the screen of a $199-699 device. Makes no sense. Plus the matte/smudge proof ones might be rough looking but it's better than wiping 10000 fingerprints off of it a day.

Personal preference I guess.

it a matter of choice...

i have used the SP.. screen protectors.. before on my other phones.. because the screen where plastic. since my HTC Diamond and glass screens; i tried with and without.

at first, like most, i get a SP for my shiny new toy...and feels fine.
then after a while the sp needs to be replaced... i take it off.. and feel the great smooth clear screen.

i put on the new sp.. and it just does not feel the same. tried to live with the sp .. find better sp.. try a bunch... but none that can match the naked glass.

so... i got rid of the sp..
htc diamond.. no issues
htc hero .. no issues
htc evo.. no issues

love it naked!
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What happened to me is worse. I tried putting a screen protector but messed it up. I removed with an intent to put another one soon. Two days later I was at work wiping my screen clean when I noticed a 1mm scratch. (I can feel it with my finger nail) The phone has been in my pocket with the screen facing me since day one. I stopped putting change in that pocket, even relocated my keys to a different pocket. It only took less than a month even when I babied this phone.

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I've always used a xoskins screen protector Never had anything penetrate it and it has keep down finger prints. They come with a lifetime warranty, so you can't go wrong
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How durable is the glass on the Evo3d? I have had a screen protector on mine since day 1 but recently took it off and was surprised at how much better the screen looked with it off. I'd like the screen to stay looking good but I love the look without the screen protector. How hard is it to scratch the glass? If you recommend using a protector which one do you recommend that cuts down on glare, and still lets me enjoy the crispness of the screen as if the protector isn't there?
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