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Old April 9th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #51 (permalink)
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perhaps pixel density is what we're really comparing... That's what really makes the difference... There are a few 720p Android phones out there, which by definition are higher resolution than the iPhone 4/s. These phones can achieve Apple's definition of 'retina display' of 300+ pixels per inch even with the larger physical dimensions of the screen.

So basically, we have the retina density AND more real estate. Their resolution advantage is gone.

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Sorry, I was wrong. They're close (540X960), but not quite where the iPhone 4s is (640X960).

wow I didn't even think it was as close as it obviously is! with all the hoopla about retina I just figured the difference would much further apart.

just makes it even sweeter that el TEvo accomplishes that high amount of pixel density (thanks novox) on a 4.7 incher. I really can't wait for this phone!!!

weird, but saying pixel density just made me feel smart for a second...nice
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Glad I waited before upgrading. My contract expired a month ago and I spoke to the Sprint peoples a few weeks ago and they said I should wait a bit for a new phone. Looks like I will try to pre-order this.
The Sprint rep told me the $200 price is AFTER my $150 saving on a new contract. My Evo will be worth $80 to trade it in. But we'll see.
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I don't know if this has been mention but I think the HTC EVO 4G LTE is the first phone to be release with ICS. I can't think of any other phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus was release in October.(US)
 
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I don't know if this has been mention but I think the HTC EVO 4G LTE is the first phone to be release with ICS. I can't think of any other phone since Samsung Galaxy Nexus was release in October.(US)
It won't be. Galaxy Nexus for Sprint are set to release on the 22nd.

If we're talking other than the Galaxy Nexus, yeah.
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Have to watch for the One X and S release dates for the USA as well...

And, just saying, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus delivered in December, the international (developer) GSM version was November.

PS - I think that every time the expression "retinal display" is used, a really cute kitten is overcome with a great sad.

Apple changed the definition of it for the iPad 3 (citing the exact reason I gave some time ago in the Evo forum), and many of us never bought it anyway.
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ahhh retina display, the dynamic marketing term of our favorite company... i'm glad they can just change the definition to suit their products only

Apple: the ipad has big PPI, anything over 300 is retina, blah blah blah

android: cool, i have phones with ~320 ppi now, we have retina too

Apple: UPDATE! our new ipad has ~350PPI so the old iphone doesn't have retina anymore because we are changing the definition to be 350 PPI but the new ipad DOES have it. all android devices don't have it any more so they must look crummier all the sudden

Android: Oh no! how did apple make our screens look crummier! noooooooo

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ahhh retina display, the dynamic marketing term of our favorite company... i'm glad they can just change the definition to suit their products only

Apple: the ipad has big PPI, anything over 300 is retina, blah blah blah

android: cool, i have phones with ~320 ppi now, we have retina too

Apple: UPDATE! our new ipad has ~350PPI so the old iphone doesn't have retina anymore because we are changing the definition to be 350 PPI but the new ipad DOES have it. all android devices don't have it any more so they must look crummier all the sudden

Android: Oh no! how did apple make our screens look crummier! noooooooo

Android: oh wait they still look just as brilliant, GTFO apple


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Other ways around, the iPad 3 is lower density than the iPhone - makes it even funnier, imo.
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What is a "retina display?" When apple launched the first retina display device (iphone4), they said that it had a ppi of 3xx and it was a retina display because the human eye cannot detect pixels at a density of 300+. Ok, maybe yes, maybe no. Never really argued it. The screen did look nice.

Enter the new ipad. being marketed as a "retina display." Yet, the pixel density is less then 300. Well apple, you just told me that for something to be a retina display it had to have a 300ppi+ pix density... so how is this sub-300 ppi display being marketed as a "retina display?"

See the contradiction here?

Thats when I realized the retina display was just another marketing gimmick by apple. I tell ya, that Steve Jobs character never ceased to amaze me.

Yes.. I'm getting the EVO LTE! I think its awesome.. cant wait for it!
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As you get something closer to your eyes, you should see more details. Unless you cross the threshold where it's impossible for your eyes to focus that close up.

Apple claimed that they achieved that on the iPhone display and called it retinal.

I claimed that they played loose with that boundary point of close up, and Dr. Soniera, the source that Apple cited originally, agreed with me.

I also claimed that no one cares about that near-field boundary, and after laughing at fans who disagreed, Apple marketing agreed with me when marketing their new iPad - no one looks at things that way, judge from reasonable viewing distances.

Sound familiar?

There is no retinal display (*) and we all see differently. Better near field acuity exists. But it's one metric. It says zero about color or motion sensitivity or five other parameters that I could name.

If it feels good, do it, and if it looks good, buy it.

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The Sprint rep told me the $200 price is AFTER my $150 saving on a new contract. My Evo will be worth $80 to trade it in. But we'll see.
I'm not trading in my Evo. If something were to happen to my LTEvo, then I want a magnificent piece of hardware to fall back on until I get a replacement.


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I won't have LTE in Eastern Washington State for awhile. I don't want to be w/o 4G speeds. My contract is up in November. I will wait at least through the summer and into fall, and likely until a year from now. There might be some phones as good as the EVO 4G LTE by then. I know it sounds like a long time, but if it has nothing but 3G then it is a deal breaker for me.
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I won't have LTE in Eastern Washington State for awhile. I don't want to be w/o 4G speeds. My contract is up in November. I will wait at least through the summer and into fall, and likely until a year from now. There might be some phones as good as the EVO 4G LTE by then. I know it sounds like a long time, but if it has nothing but 3G then it is a deal breaker for me.
I wouldn't be surprised if they worked out the issues with the quad-core/LTE compatibility by next summer (2013). It'd be a good, calculated bet that there'd be much better phones by then.
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And I will be here doing it again.

Evo launches are fun. No disrespect to anyone else, but the Evo crowd always seems like the friendliest and most fun loving.
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ehhhhhhhhh it's because we are da best :P

i think a lot of it has to do with EVO exclusiveness on Sprint, the GSII crowd is worldwide and can't relate as much IMHO

but whatever it is, i agree that the EVO crowd is by far my favorite
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And I will be here doing it again.

Evo launches are fun. No disrespect to anyone else, but the Evo crowd always seems like the friendliest and most fun loving.
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i think a lot of it has to do with EVO exclusiveness on Sprint, the GSII crowd is worldwide and can't relate as much IMHO

but whatever it is, i agree that the EVO crowd is by far my favorite
Evo crowd sucks!

In all seriousness, it is one of the things I missed the most after moving on to the Photon. Although many of us Photon fanatics were original EVO owners, it was still nice having so many people on those forums and the forums constantly being active with different topics.
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I never felt like it was exclusive in the sense of excluding people.

I did feel like it was exclusive in the sense of OMGZ!! PWNIES!!! Look what I got, you have got to get you one of these!

So, compared to our expectations, both the Evo and 3vo were exclusively wonderful experiences compared to most personal electronics purchases. (With notable exceptions of people sometimes preferring other models, like drex and the Photon, but Android is all about choice, so how cool is that? Very.)

While the other superphone users were always going happy comparing their benchmarks to ours, we have always been more about comparing to what we had before (with noted exceptions of me whining that benchmarks are mostly useless and everyone being patient about that).

One of the oddest forums overall was for the Rezound. That made people so happy and so comparatively few issues that people didn't have much to chatter about.

Somehow, that group always felt a bit like EvoVille to me.

And with that, the penny finally dropped and the light just came on for what has been in the back of my mind all along.

HTC already has CDMA + LTE + 720P + extended memory with sd card building experience - the Rezound. And it came with a 1620 mAh battery.

And a whole lot of Rezound owners say that they hit it out of the park with that phone.
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I called into sprint the other day and just like magic I have an upgrade. Can't wait to get this phone. I think the 3D was a disappointment, I sold mine and went back to the Evo and have been very happy. This is the phone that will keep me satisfied for another 2 years.
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I called into sprint the other day and just like magic I have an upgrade. Can't wait to get this phone. I think the 3D was a disappointment, I sold mine and went back to the Evo and have been very happy. This is the phone that will keep me satisfied for another 2 years.
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So, compared to our expectations, both the Evo and 3vo were exclusively wonderful experiences compared to most personal electronics purchases. (With notable exceptions of people sometimes preferring other models, like drex and the Photon, but Android is all about choice, so how cool is that? Very.)

While the other superphone users were always going happy comparing their benchmarks to ours, we have always been more about comparing to what we had before (with noted exceptions of me whining that benchmarks are mostly useless and everyone being patient about that).
Benchmarks never really bothered me, during my original EVO days. That was, until, I started to run out of memory and the phone started to lag slightly because of it. I was actually on the verge of rooting that phone, especially because I didn't really care for the EVO 3D...and that's right when the Photon was announced.

Now that I've experienced Motorola, it's caused me to have a conflict between manufacturers. As much as I have been an avid HTC guy for the past 4-5 years, if Motorola continues to offer a superphone for Sprint, I'll always be considering it (along with the HTC offering). These 2 manufacturers just really sold me on their support.
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I upgraded to the Evo last march and my next upgrade wasn't until feb 13. I guess I'm getting it early
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Benchmarks never really bothered me, during my original EVO days. That was, until, I started to run out of memory and the phone started to lag slightly because of it. I was actually on the verge of rooting that phone, especially because I didn't really care for the EVO 3D...and that's right when the Photon was announced.

Now that I've experienced Motorola, it's caused me to have a conflict between manufacturers. As much as I have been an avid HTC guy for the past 4-5 years, if Motorola continues to offer a superphone for Sprint, I'll always be considering it (along with the HTC offering). These 2 manufacturers just really sold me on their support.
I found a night and day difference with the 3vo rooted. A host of app crashing, media bugs and sound quality issues went away when I got rid of the 3D bloatware games - they were sharing memory with primary functions and really hosing things.

Hopefully, the ICS feature to freeze any system app you want will be there and we can address similar issues if they arrive on day one, no root required.

I like the Photon and Epic Touch success stories. I use them anytime someone tells me that Sprint doesn’t give good choices.
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If the Galaxy SIII gets the Exynos 5250, the choice between these two will be difficult. Although, the kickstand, camera and sense would still have me going Evo 4G LTE.
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Call it what you want but right now there isn't a screen that looks as good as the iPhone 4s screen.

I just sold my 4s and currently back to my evo. Man its hard to resist the urge to get the new evo. Not sure if I can wait and see what apple brings. Or Samsung. Or Motorola. Ughhhhh eff it.
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Well the ltevo screen I feel looks better based off pictures Alone but if you mean of what's available NOW then yea I'll agree with you
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Yes right now and I've played with them all lol
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If the Galaxy SIII gets the Exynos 5250, the choice between these two will be difficult. Although, the kickstand, camera and sense would still have me going Evo 4G LTE.
I have the quad core Tegra 3 in my Transformer Prime, and honestly, quad core isn't all it's cracked up to be so far. I'm not really seeing the benefits from all four cores on a regular basis... in my experience faster dual cores are going to be more efficiently used by Android in its current iteration.
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I was planning to until I saw an X. What's with making these new phones tall and skinny??
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Call it what you want but right now there isn't a screen that looks as good as the iPhone 4s screen.

I just sold my 4s and currently back to my evo. Man its hard to resist the urge to get the new evo. Not sure if I can wait and see what apple brings. Or Samsung. Or Motorola. Ughhhhh eff it.
What are you comparing screen v.s. screen i.e. 3.5 (iphone) vs. 3.5 (HTC), because if your comparing iphone to larger screen size, your doing apple's and oranges because a smaller screen will have mpre dpi then a larger screen (not all cases, but most) and HTC has a phone(s) that have have more dpi then the iphone, I think it's the Rezound! So since the Rezound has a higher res screen, is the iphone still better!?
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What are you comparing screen v.s. screen i.e. 3.5 (iphone) vs. 3.5 (HTC), because if your comparing iphone to larger screen size, your doing apple's and oranges because a smaller screen will have mpre dpi then a larger screen (not all cases, but most) and HTC has a phone(s) that have have more dpi then the iphone, I think it's the Rezound! So since the Rezound has a higher res screen, is the iphone still better!?
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So exactly why did you switch phones!?
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Resolution is a tricky thing.

I often say that we all see differently.

In our society, we pay homage to that, but we sometimes take it as a quality metric - not only of the phone, but of ourselves and others.

When I say it, I refer to studies of our eyes down to the quantum level, because such studies have been done.

Yes, smaller displays are crisper. Yes, comparative norms exist (no one sees a massive star or even full galaxy as anything other than a pixel in the night sky).

But beyond that, all pixel and dpi (ppi) discussions can only involve numbers near to some average for the human population.

For some people, 800x480 at 4.3" is great, for others, the iPhone is still too coarse.

That isn't a statement of quality of eyesight or perception, merely the outcome of a single measure for a person's eyes.

There are many other equally important measures.

Until you can't tell that it's a display, the perfect display doesn't exist.

Therefore, we will have our differences on screen preferences.

It is what it is.
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So exactly why did you switch phones!?
Same reason I went thru a evo 4g, shift, 3d, epic touch, iPhone 4s and now back to the evo. I have issues lol.
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Same reason I went thru a evo 4g, shift, 3d, epic touch, iPhone 4s and now back to the evo. I have issues lol.
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Is this the place to ask, "Do you expect any kind of imrovement on 3G capability with this Phone?" I mean in terms of, well, anything. Building penetration, strength from tower, speed, etc. Noob Q, I know, and don't mean to contaminate the thread.
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Is this the place to ask, "Do you expect any kind of imrovement on 3G capability with this Phone?" I mean in terms of, well, anything. Building penetration, strength from tower, speed, etc. Noob Q, I know, and don't mean to contaminate the thread.
This will be one of those questions that is impossible to predict prior to the phone's release. Historically, there hasn't been a correlation with how "new" a phone is and its RF performance (as some older phones have great 3G, some newer ones have worse 3G). Some predict that because of the aluminum unibody, the LTEvo could have worse RF performance than say, the all-polymer HTC One X, but it's all complete speculation at this point (the LTEvo has its antennas in the plastic portion, but who knows how it will impact performance.)
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i think you want to research into the sprint's new Network Vision. that is the current upgrade plans to all the sprint towers. to a new tech.. and stuff.

this will be your major source of better performance in the new future. depending where you live.. is how quickly you will see this affect you.
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Well the company I work for just got bought by a huge corporation so I found out I'm getting three checks for one pay period . Looks like I can buy the phone off contract if I want so I'll be getting one!
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I'm on the pre-order list and plan on buying off contract.. Now that I think about it, I don't think I have purchased any of my Evo's with an upgrade...
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Well the company I work for just got bought by a huge corporation so I found out I'm getting three checks for one pay period . Looks like I can buy the phone off contract if I want so I'll be getting one!
Nice, burger! You can be rocking a LTEvo, MoPhoQ and the MoPho!...hahaha.
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I don't care how nice a display is, if it's too small it's useless to me. Friends try to show me videos on their iPhones and they end up asking me to load it on my EVO instead because it's bigger. I think this new EVO is just going to blow it away.
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Thanks! When the company you work for gets bought for 135 million straight cash...good things happen and the first will be my Evo 4g LTE!!!
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Even if the company I work with (top of umbrella already) got bought out, I don't think I'd see any benefit from it . Not that I can complain though because I love what I do and it pays enough for me to at least be able to fulfill my needs for buying new tech gadgets every year.
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Not sure, but I don't think I have another annual upgrade to use - on either line.

That puts me into a $150 discount - but not worth it for me at the intro retail rate.

Looks like yours truly will be waiting - I just won't pay retail for a phone.
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Not sure, but I don't think I have another annual upgrade to use - on either line.

That puts me into a $150 discount - but not worth it for me at the intro retail rate.

Looks like yours truly will be waiting - I just won't pay retail for a phone.
EM, were you Gold Premiere when you upgraded to the 3VO? If you were, you definitely should be eligible at launch for your last 1 year upgrade.

Sprint isn't showing I'm upgrade eligible in July, but Best Buy's upgrade checker clearly says I am (based on when I purchased the Photon at launch).

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Their upgrade checker is pretty darn accurate too.
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Nope, no LTE in this area, so the phone is useless to me. Actually, I got fooled into getting the Evo thinking 4G was going to provide an amazing experience, but I have found that Wimax was a joke and I never use 4g. I wont get fooled again with this phone either. Until LTE comes to Baltimore and the surrounding areas, there is no need to rush out and get this phone. I will be a phone free agent in June and will wait to see if the Iphone5 will be released. Then I will make my decision on the best phone for me. I'm no fan boy...they are all just phones...and at this point they all have advantages/disadvantages over the other. May the best phone (for me) win.
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Nope, no LTE in this area, so the phone is useless to me. Actually, I got fooled into getting the Evo thinking 4G was going to provide an amazing experience, but I have found that Wimax was a joke and I never use 4g. I wont get fooled again with this phone either. Until LTE comes to Baltimore and the surrounding areas, there is no need to rush out and get this phone. I will be a phone free agent in June and will wait to see if the Iphone5 will be released. Then I will make my decision on the best phone for me. I'm no fan boy...they are all just phones...and at this point they all have advantages/disadvantages over the other. May the best phone (for me) win.

and if the iphone 5.. dont have LTE support?
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EM, were you Gold Premiere when you upgraded to the 3VO? If you were, you definitely should be eligible at launch for your last 1 year upgrade.

Sprint isn't showing I'm upgrade eligible in July, but Best Buy's upgrade checker clearly says I am (based on when I purchased the Photon at launch).

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Their upgrade checker is pretty darn accurate too.
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Ok - so that says I have full eligibility for upgrade on 6/1/2012. And my wife's 3vo, purchased 1/2011 gets full eligibility on 11/1/2012.

Last time I logged into Sprint - a few weeks back - it said I had 84 days to use or lose a $150 upgrade credit. I log in today, it says that I'll have a $150 upgrade credit if I just wait until June.

LoL - ok, so if BB is right, I'll have an upgrade possible.

And according to previous posts, either the upgrade at $200 will be after the $150 discount - or - if it played as it did for some Evo to 3vo upgraders last year, it'll come out to only $50.

Thank goodness they make it so easy to understand.

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