I noticed that the screen specs are a "down to earth" 720p instead of the ridiculous 1080p, which would result in an unprecedented and likely impossible (at current technology) 470+ pixel density at 4.65" display diagonal.
What I'm most curious of is if this is a 720p Super AMOLED that is basically featured in the Galaxy Nexus, with the Pentile subpixel arrangement, or if it will be a 720p Super AMOLED PLUS (theoretically) display with a traditional RGB subpixel arrangement.
Double check the specs. It has a removable battery in the pics.
that is just a generic "Testing" case, apple does this for their phones as well, they finalize the hardware but put it in a "boring" case so that no one notices it in the wild.
the "testing" case has a removable battery but that by no means = final product has a removable battery
I just love the rivalry that's been imposed on the gs3 and one X, although it seems more like EL TEvo vs. gs3 to me. it's exciting to at least believe that soooo many people will base their buying decision on which one ends up with the better specs and overall most "features". right now it seems like based on that belief EL TEvo should come out on top , but until we know the "true" details on the gs3 you can't declare a victor yet. (although I'd be really surprised if the gs3 had a kickstand, which for me is an example of what my deciding factor could be if both phones are really closely spec'd)
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Samsung always beats out most other manufacturers in spec.. They love to cram what they can in.. Every year it is the same.
In the end.. The radios always seam to below par...
I don't think I've ever owned a Samsung phone so I can't personally relate. it does seem like the timeline favors them being able to one up other manufacturers though, which isn't hard to do if you historically release phones towards the end of the year (which I don't know if that's common practise for them or not). but also with time being a revolving door and all infinite and errthing (darn time!), it can easily be stated in favor of the other manufacturers as well. guess it just depends on which way you stand...ouch I gotta recover from that deep thought...it's the weekend, and thus my brains off day...me hungry...must eat meat...ok I'm back
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Samsung fans include a smaller, vocal contingent that post fanatically and more importantly, relentlessly, on all of the blogs they can find.
They're the drivers for the memes that Samsung specs are superior, no matter what, that invalid benchmarks are perfect so long as Samsung wins and they rabidly attack all comers.
Many blogs cater to them, thriving on the hits they generate with their misguided mumbo jumbo, superstitious versions of how processors work.
By equivalent analogy, they see themselves as Windows users while non Samsung users are as dumb as Mac sheep.
It's nearly impossible to have an intelligent conversation about specs and features and benefits of various models when they enter the room. I wonder often if they're that insecure or just Samsung plants.
Note that I don't put all Samsung fans in this category by any means, but I promise that these types exist, and while full of crap, are highly convincing.
Let's remember that no phones are perfect, any of the top end models are worthy, it's a matter of what matters.
Example, the GPU benchmarks have nothing to do with how the S4 processor updates the screen for user interfaces - the S4 doesn’t use the GPU for that the way that people often think.
I overclocked my 3vo to 1.5 GHz to match performance of the Samsung processor at 1.2 GHz, and tried apps side by side against a buddy's SGS2. In at least half of the cases, my phone was obviously smoother and more responsive. Within bands of my totally unscientific test, a tie.
I asked what he thought, and he replied that my phone lost hands down because Sense sucked.
Prejudice colors judgment. Let's see how the comparison today really shakes out.
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Samsung fans include a smaller, vocal contingent that post fanatically and more importantly, relentlessly, on all of the blogs they can find.
They're the drivers for the memes that Samsung specs are superior, no matter what, that invalid benchmarks are perfect so long as Samsung wins and they rabidly attack all comers.
Many blogs cater to them, thriving on the hits they generate with their misguided mumbo jumbo, superstitious versions of how processors work.
By equivalent analogy, they see themselves as Windows users while non Samsung users are as dumb as Mac sheep.
It's nearly impossible to have an intelligent conversation about specs and features and benefits of various models when they enter the room. I wonder often if they're that insecure or just Samsung plants.
Note that I don't put all Samsung fans in this category by any means, but I promise that these types exist, and while full of crap, are highly convincing.
Let's remember that no phones are perfect, any of the top end models are worthy, it's a matter of what matters.
Example, the GPU benchmarks have nothing to do with how the S4 processor updates the screen for user interfaces - the S4 doesn’t use the GPU for that the way that people often think.
I overclocked my 3vo to 1.5 GHz to match performance of the Samsung processor at 1.2 GHz, and tried apps side by side against a buddy's SGS2. In at least half of the cases, my phone was obviously smoother and more responsive. Within bands of my totally unscientific test, a tie.
I asked what he thought, and he replied that my phone lost hands down because Sense sucked.
Prejudice colors judgment. Let's see how the comparison today really shakes out.
This my friend, is the reason I left other forum site for this one, with knowledgeable/objective people here.....As EarlyMon said, the Samsung enthusiast have no valid and tasteless point in their arguments!
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This my friend, is the reason I left other forum site for this one, with knowledgeable/objective people here.....As EarlyMon said, the Samsung enthusiast have no valid and tasteless point in their arguments!
OK, so long as we don't lump all Samsung fans into the category caused by a vocal minority.
Do Samsungs have problems? Yes, they vary by model - just like HTC.
Are specs important? Yes, if they help indicate performance around features that matter to you.
Do benchmarks matter? Yes, sometimes, if they can really relate to things that you will use your phone for.
If you are coming up from an Evo, either the LTEvo or new Samsung is going to make you want to put your seatbelt on. If coming from a dual core, we'll see, won't we?
We used to have to care about speed. Processing is getting so advanced that the differences are going to start existing only on paper for just about all of us.
In my opinion.
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We used to have to care about speed. Processing is getting so advanced that the differences are going to start existing only on paper for just about all of us.
In my opinion.
I could not agree more with this statement! it's what i've been noticing over the past few years. the evolution of the smart phone over the past few years has been the most accelerated advancements computers have seen. in just a few years we've gone from phones that couldn't even handle angry birds too well to now we are playing NEAR current console quality games, and that is just a FEW years.
when i stop and TRULY think about it, my EVO handles ICS just as well as it handled it's stock ROM on day one. to me, that says that the software isn't elevating to demanding levels as quickly as hardware is elevating to meet them. and that is a GOOD thing, that means our phones retain more value over it's life and that it will still be quite capable in two years. i really really like this direction...
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High Res displays will need faster processors. NS4G also runs great on ICS but you could never drive a 720p display with this chip. Or get the camera performance of the new phones.
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I could not agree more with this statement! it's what i've been noticing over the past few years. the evolution of the smart phone over the past few years has been the most accelerated advancements computers have seen. in just a few years we've gone from phones that couldn't even handle angry birds too well to now we are playing NEAR current console quality games, and that is just a FEW years.
when i stop and TRULY think about it, my EVO handles ICS just as well as it handled it's stock ROM on day one. to me, that says that the software isn't elevating to demanding levels as quickly as hardware is elevating to meet them. and that is a GOOD thing, that means our phones retain more value over it's life and that it will still be quite capable in two years. i really really like this direction...
High Res displays will need faster processors. NS4G also runs great on ICS but you could never drive a 720p display with this chip. Or get the camera performance of the new phones.
Yep, and additional specialized processing cores are part of the solution as well.
I've had one samsung phone (instinct) and 2 HTC phones (evo/evo3d) and based on that HTC blows samsung away. Now I hear samsung has come a long way since then but that was the worst call quality I've had on a cell phone by a mile and it didn't seem to be supported well either.
I've had one samsung phone (instinct) and 2 HTC phones (evo/evo3d) and based on that HTC blows samsung away. Now I hear samsung has come a long way since then but that was the worst call quality I've had on a cell phone by a mile and it didn't seem to be supported well either.
The Instinct wasn't even Android. It was a proprietary software developed by Samsung that was half-baked at best.
I've had one samsung phone (instinct) and 2 HTC phones (evo/evo3d) and based on that HTC blows samsung away. Now I hear samsung has come a long way since then but that was the worst call quality I've had on a cell phone by a mile and it didn't seem to be supported well either.
Lol come on dude. Thats not even a fair comparison.
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I went into Best Buy to check out the SGS II, Razr Maxx and Galaxy Nexus, just to get an idea if the size of the phone was as uncomfortable as I originally though...I've changed my stance about it being "too big."
So, whatever I decide to upgrade to, as long as this is the max that manufacturers go, I think I'll be okay. Funny how initial perception can change after a while.
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remember when the Evo og came out with 4.3 screen and all the gripe about it being to big... funny..
my thoughts exactly haha, though i was a little worried it was gonna be big because it was breaking some serious headway when it came to screen size it really wasn't as large as it seemed at first.
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remember when the Evo og came out with 4.3 screen and all the gripe about it being to big... funny..
Yeah...I was one of the people worrying that it'd be too big for my tastes. Between switching from being a diehard physical qwerty keyboard guy, while also having a taller/wider phone than the Touch Pro...I thought it was going to be a big adjustment. That all changed when I went in to physically hold the EVO 4G in store. That gave me the comfort of knowing the transition would be fine.
With the E4GT, I actually went into the store to hold it when it first came out and it felt really uncomfortable. I don't know what changed, but when I held it in the store yesterday, it felt much better than I originally thought. Granted, I also held the galaxy note (which is definitely too damn big for my tastes, IMO).
I've been with HTC for a while.. loved the hero, LOVED TO DEATH the evo4g, and thus made the jump to 3vo soon as it came out, and have hated it since day 32. At the same time my friends switched from the evo4g to SII and they love it, so i'm torn as to what to do next.. SIII, LTEVO, or Galaxy nexus...
I've been with HTC for a while.. loved the hero, LOVED TO DEATH the evo4g, and thus made the jump to 3vo soon as it came out, and have hated it since day 32. At the same time my friends switched from the evo4g to SII and they love it, so i'm torn as to what to do next.. SIII, LTEVO, or Galaxy nexus...
If I were you, I would debate about getting the SGS3 or the LTEvo! They did a video comparison and the Nexus lacks in many department to stay in this battle!
P.s..I'm getting the LTEvo!
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I've been with HTC for a while.. loved the hero, LOVED TO DEATH the evo4g, and thus made the jump to 3vo soon as it came out, and have hated it since day 32. At the same time my friends switched from the evo4g to SII and they love it, so i'm torn as to what to do next.. SIII, LTEVO, or Galaxy nexus...
I wouldn't rule out the photon q either. Wait till samsung, htc and Googlrola have released their superphones and go from there. Don't make a decision based on anybody elses needs because what's important to them, might not be equally important to you.
I've loved the photon, since upgrading from the evo 4g and the photon was without a doubt the most underrated phone last year.
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I wouldn't rule out the photon q either. Wait till samsung, htc and Googlrola have released their superphones and go from there. Don't make a decision based on anybody elses needs because what's important to them, might not be equally important to you.
I've loved the photon, since upgrading from the evo 4g and the photon was without a doubt the most underrated phone last year.
I agree with you, the Photon is amazing!.. so underrated. But one thing.. and this is (just) my opinion, so please dont flame me. I had the SGSII (E4GT) and the GPS was so pathetic I had to leave it. I exchanged it 3 times, hoping that it was just a bad phone (It really was a great device.. so fast, great cam, great screen)... but Samsung cant seem to do radios too well... same problems in the original galaxy S, so I hear, which continued to the 3 GSII's I owned. Went to the EVO 3D because of this nightmare, and really glad I did. So I will likely skip the GSIII regardless. I read alot at s4gru, he said he has confirmation of another phone in Sprints LTE Labs soon... although hes not sure if it is a future WP 8 or the "Photon2." What ever it is, he says it uses the Qualcomm s4 chip. If its the Photon 2, I'll definitively consider it... the original photon (which i also owned) was a spectacular device (minus the pentile display). But, for now... My best phone experiences have been with EVO's... Hands down. So its going to a lot to pull me away from the upcoming EVO LTE.
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L Tevo here. I had the EVO 4G best phone ever. I now have the 3D not as good as the OG Evo but I wanted more space and a faster processor and now I can't wait for the EVO 4G LTE. Don't care about any Sammy phone just like back in the day when it was all Sanyo for me.
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saw that. looks like its based on the outdated a-9 architecture, although probably not a big deal since Sammy processors are extremely fast. Question: does it support LTE?? None of the current quad cores do. If it does not support LTE, we certainly wont see that processor 'round here.
saw that. looks like its based on the outdated a-9 architecture, although probably not a big deal since Sammy processors are extremely fast. Question: does it support LTE?? None of the current quad cores do. If it does not support LTE, we certainly wont see that processor 'round here.
We could, if they up the chip count and power consumption to include an LTE modem chip. Not at all unheard of.
I suppose some of the SGS3 rumors have to be true, but so many have been whacked, I am going to wait and see.
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won't be swaying me, quad core is nice and all but it really doesn't mean much... a9 arch is nice in a quad core package but that seems to be pretty similar to the T3 setup if its true. sure it might be faster since its samsun, but its still a mali 400 GPU so that isn't gonna blow LTEVO away and the speed advantage will likely only be 5-10% better at best, in which case kernels can make more of a difference than anything when that close.
i think quad core a9 is gonna be pretty comparable to S4 at the end of the day, should be some good phones coming down the pipe which is good but i don't think sammy is going to be putting anyone in the grave like everyone was preaching they would a few weeks back everyone was saying 2gb of RAM and quadcore a15 arch ... lets face it, those were a little exaggerated and unrealistic.
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Specs are Specs and build quality is what I am after. Every picture, every video, gives something we have never seen before (form factor) The quality build of LTEVO is going to be appreciated most in hand. The bloody thing is art. We have seen the amount of care went into the construction of it! Just the build quality alone says flagship. I don't think will be able to put a case on it. I will have to fabricate my own mink fur leather case to gently expose it to on lookers. (My precious!) ROFL
i think your dreaming on some of those specs to be %100 honest.... 2gb of RAM is not gonna happen, not for a few more years. the CPU is total guess work too, nobody knows what sammy has up their sleeves for the GSIII CPU
my opinion... there is no fence for me, LTEVO all the way. sammy makes good phones but the SGSIII will never be as feature packed as the LTEVO is...
SD card slot, kickstand, the camera is gorgeous, dedicated camera button, SLCD2 >>>> Samoled anything, beats audio (makes a difference to some), HD voice calls (could very well show up on SGSIII), NFC, 2,000 mah, and on and on... the EVO didn't miss a single thing. i mean, i'm gonna have 80gb in my EVO when all is said and done. those features alone don't make this phone unique but having EVERY SINGLE ONE in the SAME phone is just pure win for team HTC.
it's gonna be hard for samsung to compete with this phone anyway and on top of that this bad guy is gonna be available roughly three months earlier too... for me, a man with an upgrade in pocket ready to go, its a no brainer to go with the LTEVO on this one...
especially that screen, that is one of the biggest selling points, along with the s4 CPU, for me. i've never seen a screen so gorgeous, i absolutely will NOT buy an amoled screen, call me a photophile but i need accurate colors like nobodies buisness and this screen has it while sammy is no where close.
Sorry, but you are smoking if you think lcd is better than an hd samoled.
I will probably end up with both phones, the htc will be a better phone while the samsung the better device (gadget). samsung is closing the gap though and i will wait to see if the if the htc leaks light again. if it does i will not buy.
Sorry, but you are smoking if you think lcd is better than an hd samoled.
I will probably end up with both phones, the htc will be a better phone while the samsung the better device (gadget). samsung is closing the gap though and i will wait to see if the if the htc leaks light again. if it does i will not buy.
the better screen thing is definitely one of those to each his/her own cases. some prefer better natural colors, while others prefer the blackest blacks and over saturation. dont know if he smokes, but definitely doesn't have to be doing so to consider LCD superior. I say it with L O V E
Sorry, but you are smoking if you think lcd is better than an hd samoled.
I will probably end up with both phones, the htc will be a better phone while the samsung the better device (gadget). samsung is closing the gap though and i will wait to see if the if the htc leaks light again. if it does i will not buy.
Lol, you obviously haven't seen the SLCD2 display in action. Ohhhh it was beautiful.
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Lol, you obviously haven't seen the SLCD2 display in action. Ohhhh it was beautiful.
You guys are starting to sound like the Samsung boys.
The E4GT screen was significantly better than the EVO 3D, the only thing that made it close was the low res screen on the Epic. In a 720p version, nothing is touching Samoled. You can see the color start to fade on the videos of the Evo LTE. Simply does not compare in viewing angle, or contrast, that will not change.
The color adjustments on the new Samoleds allow for better color reproduction than before. The only downfall is that with the high contrast, it's hard to view dark movies. However the Samsungs have been so much better in file compatibility that I'd rather watch it on Samoled than have to convert it and lose quality to get it on the EVO. Of course I have not seen what file types the new EVO will be compatible with.
saw that. looks like its based on the outdated a-9 architecture, although probably not a big deal since Sammy processors are extremely fast. Question: does it support LTE?? None of the current quad cores do. If it does not support LTE, we certainly wont see that processor 'round here.
Samsung is trying to compete with the other chipset maker I.e. Qualcomm and the others, so I would assume that they will support LTE, if they have a chance to compete with them!
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You guys are starting to sound like the Samsung boys.
The E4GT screen was significantly better than the EVO 3D, the only thing that made it close was the low res screen on the Epic. In a 720p version, nothing is touching Samoled. You can see the color start to fade on the videos of the Evo LTE. Simply does not compare in viewing angle, or contrast, that will not change.
The color adjustments on the new Samoleds allow for better color reproduction than before. The only downfall is that with the high contrast, it's hard to view dark movies. However the Samsungs have been so much better in file compatibility that I'd rather watch it on Samoled than have to convert it and lose quality to get it on the EVO. Of course I have not seen what file types the new EVO will be compatible with.
I'm not trying to start a flame war! But the reason I get HTC device is that there easy to root and they don't take long to update their phone like samsung. I've always had an HTC device, and even when I notice other phone being better in certain departments, I would accept it! Certain trade off's from HTC v.s. the competitors were worth it TO ME. You are a mirror of a samsung boy when you can't be objective...for you to say the LTEvo as wash out color's and reviewer saying it has natural color's (One x also) IMHO that you never physically having phone and making that call is malarkey! Like I sated earlier, I do not want a war! That statement in bold above made by you!? How do you actually know that!? You don't, because there isn't a new samsung phone to review to make that claim! All I'm saying is to be objective, and have basis (review or personal) on what your saying!
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I agree with you, the Photon is amazing!.. so underrated. But one thing.. and this is (just) my opinion, so please dont flame me. I had the SGSII (E4GT) and the GPS was so pathetic I had to leave it. I exchanged it 3 times, hoping that it was just a bad phone (It really was a great device.. so fast, great cam, great screen)... but Samsung cant seem to do radios too well... same problems in the original galaxy S, so I hear, which continued to the 3 GSII's I owned. Went to the EVO 3D because of this nightmare, and really glad I did. So I will likely skip the GSIII regardless. I read alot at s4gru, he said he has confirmation of another phone in Sprints LTE Labs soon... although hes not sure if it is a future WP 8 or the "Photon2." What ever it is, he says it uses the Qualcomm s4 chip. If its the Photon 2, I'll definitively consider it... the original photon (which i also owned) was a spectacular device (minus the pentile display). But, for now... My best phone experiences have been with EVO's... Hands down. So its going to a lot to pull me away from the upcoming EVO LTE.
It's interesting. The issues with radios in Samsung devices seems more of a crap shoot nowadays, than it was in earlier devices (like the Moment and Original Epic). I had the original Epic on one of my secondary lines. It was great for 1 year, but after that the radios took a turn for the worst and needed a hard reset just to get it right. Nontheless, the SGS 2 seemed okay for majority, with exception to a few. There were a lot of issues with the Photon after launch, but what I loved the most is Motorola issued update, after update, after update...what seemed like immediately, after the issues were reported. I experienced similar things with HTC, where their support was awesome. Only reason I've stayed away form Samsung was because of lack of mobile support (although, it does seem they've turned the corner after the success of the SGS2).
I'll have to check out what they said at S4GRU regarding the other device in Sprint's LTE labs w/ the Qualcomm S4 processor. Funny thing, when the rumor about the "Photon Q LTE" was released, the speculations were either "quad-core" or "qwerty" for the "Q". I'm going to officially throw out the possibility that the "Q" just stands for Qualcomm!...LOL...I think that makes the most logical sense because it'll be one of the 1st Motorola devices with the Qualcomm S4 (I only say 1 of the first because I think the Atrix 3 will be released before the MoPhoQ).
saw that. looks like its based on the outdated a-9 architecture, although probably not a big deal since Sammy processors are extremely fast.
Yup, it most definitely is 4x A9 Cortex cores. I wouldn't say "out-dated" but yeah it is fast approaching the end of its hegemony what with the S4 out and A15 due soon.
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won't be swaying me, quad core is nice and all but it really doesn't mean much... a9 arch is nice in a quad core package but that seems to be pretty similar to the T3 setup if its true.
i think quad core a9 is gonna be pretty comparable to S4 at the end of the day
It's going to be hard to judge how the quad A9 Exynos will compare to the dual S4 in day-to-day activities from just benchmarks, because as you allude to, the true gains from the Exynos will come where applications are heavily threaded (and the benchmarks that show the biggest gains will fit that bill). However in single and lightly threaded applications/processes, the fact that each S4 core is notably stronger than any individual A9 core is important. Here Anandtech runs several benches comparing the S4 (unfortunately not in a consumer production phone) against the Tegra 3 in the Transformer Prime and in the bottom table, it's clear that in some of the processes, the quad core carries an advantage, but in others, the quad core is about equal to the current generation dual cores found in the Galaxy and Rezound.
Most of the Basemark tests are lightly threaded, but looking at the SMP test gives you another example of Tegra 3's strengths given the right workload. With the right application, Tegra 3 can be faster than the MSM8960, however it's still our opinion that you're more likely to find a lightly threaded workload on a smartphone than you are going to encounter something that scales well to four cores.
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i don't think sammy is going to be putting anyone in the grave like everyone was preaching they would a few weeks back everyone was saying 2gb of RAM and quadcore a15 arch ... lets face it, those were a little exaggerated and unrealistic.
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I suppose some of the SGS3 rumors have to be true, but so many have been whacked, I am going to wait and see.
Yup. Rumor mill working over time.
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Sorry, but you are smoking if you think lcd is better than an hd samoled.
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Lol, you obviously haven't seen the SLCD2 display in action. Ohhhh it was beautiful.
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You guys are starting to sound like the Samsung boys.
The E4GT screen was significantly better than the EVO 3D, the only thing that made it close was the low res screen on the Epic. In a 720p version, nothing is touching Samoled. You can see the color start to fade on the videos of the Evo LTE. Simply does not compare in viewing angle, or contrast, that will not change.
What constitutes the "best" screen has never been settled; I don't believe there was a time where anything more than a handful of the different display variables were held constant, so choosing any one screen technology was always a matter of what tradeoffs you were willing to make. The different dimensions include: glare, outdoor visibility, power consumption under different scenarios, resolution, pixel density, subpixel arrangement, contrast, color accuracy, saturation, overall brightness, off-center viewing angles, and black levels (maybe more).
Each iteration of the technology, whether some LCD or OLED, keeps moving the ball forward, but in different ways. Like you say, if you wanted AMOLED before, you would have to settle with an 800x480 resolution device, and for some of us, finer pixel density and higher resolution were vastly more important than contrast and off viewing angles.
720p AMOLED will be competitive with the 720p LCD displays from a pixel density and resolution perspective, but no one knows if the subpixel arrangement will be RGB or Pentile. The Galaxy Nexus has a known 720p Pentile AMOLED display, and that carries with it compromises in terms of color accuracy, moire patterns, etc. -- which some human eyes are more sensitive to than others. On the other hand, LCDs have been improving their off-angle viewing and contrast, particularly with new display technologies and optical lamination... so it's ultimately a constant battle with no clear winner. If we were able to hold even a few things constant -- like resolution, pixel density, and subpixel arrangement, we could have a more serious discussion about which display technology was better...
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However the Samsungs have been so much better in file compatibility that I'd rather watch it on Samoled than have to convert it and lose quality to get it on the EVO. Of course I have not seen what file types the new EVO will be compatible with.
I'm running an Evo 3D right now, video playback compatibility is no longer a manufacturer issue, but a software one. With DicePlayer, there hasn't been a video format my Evo 3D could not play, without conversion.
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