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Old April 4th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OK, so we've seen the specs (for the most part) of the EVO 4G LTE, as I saw earlier dubbed the LTEVO, and we are all considering it against the GSIII. I'm on the fence, so I figured a little discussion would help the decision.

My quick rundown: (obviously, all GSIII is rumored, for now, I'll add more as it comes up...)

CPU:
LTEVO= 1.5ghz S4 dual core, 28nm
GSIII= 1.4ghz Exynos quad core, 32nm

RAM:
LTEVO= 1g
GSIII= 1g

Display:
LTEVO= 4.7in 720p SLCD(2)
GSIII= 4.6 720p SAMOLED HD

Camera:
LTEVO= 8mp w/ f2.0 + 1.3mp ffc, imagesence tech
GSIII= 8mp + ???mp ffc

Battery:
LTEVO= 2,000mah, non-removable
GSIII= 2,050mah, non-removable

Storage:
LTEVO= 16g internal, up to 32g external microsd
GSIII= 16g internal, with possible microsd

Skin:
LTEVO= Sense 4.0
GSIII= Touchwiz 4.0

Miscellaneous:
LTEVO= Kickstand!! Camera Button!! NFC, HD voice, Kickstand!! Camera Button!!
GSIII= curved design, low/no bezel

What do you think? Did I miss anything? Which one are you getting?

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i think your dreaming on some of those specs to be %100 honest.... 2gb of RAM is not gonna happen, not for a few more years. the CPU is total guess work too, nobody knows what sammy has up their sleeves for the GSIII CPU

my opinion... there is no fence for me, LTEVO all the way. sammy makes good phones but the SGSIII will never be as feature packed as the LTEVO is...

SD card slot, kickstand, the camera is gorgeous, dedicated camera button, SLCD2 >>>> Samoled anything, beats audio (makes a difference to some), HD voice calls (could very well show up on SGSIII), NFC, 2,000 mah, and on and on... the EVO didn't miss a single thing. i mean, i'm gonna have 80gb in my EVO when all is said and done. those features alone don't make this phone unique but having EVERY SINGLE ONE in the SAME phone is just pure win for team HTC.

it's gonna be hard for samsung to compete with this phone anyway and on top of that this bad guy is gonna be available roughly three months earlier too... for me, a man with an upgrade in pocket ready to go, its a no brainer to go with the LTEVO on this one...

especially that screen, that is one of the biggest selling points, along with the s4 CPU, for me. i've never seen a screen so gorgeous, i absolutely will NOT buy an amoled screen, call me a photophile but i need accurate colors like nobodies buisness and this screen has it while sammy is no where close.
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LTEVO all the way.

E4G was the greatest, most versatile and dependable phone I could have ever imagined. The battery life is phenomenal (well, depending on the ROM. Stock isn't bad though). Sense offers everything that I could want, and more. Plus HTC keeps up with OS updates MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Samsung. And well, the LTEVO is a true successor to the original. So what else can I say? The LTEVO is the best there ever was (E4G), but drastically upgraded and in a new package.

Samsung has burned me too badly. I don't care what specs the GSIII has, the company is too poor in its business practices for me to purchase a smartphone from them again. Plus, their GPS... Honestly, what does Samsung use as a GPS radio in their phones? Smoke signals?
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Well, there's no way of comparing until we find out the specs of the GS3. It's definitely between these two phones.....which I'll make my upgrade.
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I hear what you guys are saying. All of those added perks on top of the top-tier spec's make this phone amazing!!

I'm just wondering if the S4 is as far ahead of the game as the OG EVO's CPU was back in the day. I know it's not all about core count, and the S4 beats the only quad core we have out now(Tegra 3, or as I still love to call it "Kale-el"), but for a two-year contract, I want it to be as future-proof as possible. Not saying I'm hesitant to pull the trigger because there might be something better coming; just thinking that if the GSIII is as good as the RUMORS are rumoring, I would want to decide carefully to allow the biggest bang for my buck. Remember when folks were debating the "need" for a 1ghz processor in a phone?!?! Hahahaha!!!!

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I hear what you guys are saying. All of those added perks on top of the top-tier spec's make this phone amazing!!

I'm just wondering if the S4 is as far ahead of the game as the OG EVO's CPU was back in the day. I know it's not all about core count, and the S4 beats the only quad core we have out now(Tegra 3, or as I still love to call it "Kale-el"), but for a two-year contract, I want it to be as future-proof as possible. Not saying I'm hesitant to pull the trigger because there might be something better coming; just thinking that if the GSIII is as good as the RUMORS are rumoring, I would want to decide carefully to allow the biggest bang for my buck. Remember when folks were debating the "need" for a 1ghz processor in a phone?!?! Hahahaha!!!!

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the new evo is about as good as it gets, it's actually THE best on the market when it hits...

with our original EVO's, the nexus ONE had the same CPU months before, and pretty much every phone that followed the EVO had 1ghz as well.

this bad boy, the s4, is literally a whole new breed, its the first 28nm CPU with STELLAR performance. every piece of hardware, ESPECIALLY mobile phone tech with where we are at in its short history, is going to show some signs of age after two years. but in all honesty it looks positive. android itself is getting better (optimizations, now running linux 3.0 kernel) and i think that after two years of this phone it'll feel like one year after the EVO 4g. thats just my $0.02
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what im more interested in is the EVO LTE vs GS XLIV!!

i mean really, how can we compare the new evo to a phone that doesn't exist yet?
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If you want your GPS to work, you'll get the EVO
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If you want your GPS to work, you'll get the EVO
And if you want to be able to make it past noon without your phone going dead, you'll get the Samsung. This phone has some nice specs and all but i'm going to assume that Samsung is going to come upstage it in a few weeks just like they did the 3D/Sensation last year.
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Interesting. my take from this thread is that we may see a lot of people who left the Evo brand last year come back to it this year. Indeed, I think the LTEVO really does do a better job as a successor phone than the 3VO did.

As for the 'vs Galaxy III' part, do we really have to do this again? I wouldn't be surprised if there were still people debating Evo vs Epic.
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Moment vs Hero
Epic vs Evo
E4GT (SGS2) vs 3vo
SGS3 vs LTEVO
SGS4 vs HTC Two X
SGS5 vs HTC Three Z
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I understand the need to compare, but less so when the SGS3 is still at the rumor stage.
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i like how the evo1 (evil 1) .. is shaping up... and I want to see more real world reviews.

but still want to hear what SG3 will be like...

in the past .. for me.. htc has won, but still want to compare.
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The quad-core Exynos will still be based on a prior generation ARM A9-Cortex design, so we can get a sense of the kind of processing power it will bring to bear by comparing it with the current Tegra 3 (which is also an ARM A9-Cortex design).

Currently, it looks like the 1.5 Ghz Qualcomm S4/Krait trades blows with the 1.5Ghz Tegra 3, particularly depending on the kind of application or benchmark. The S4 represents a true generational (or at least half generation) leap over the prior A9-Cortex design, and on a per-core basis, currently holds the crown... at least until TI or whoever comes out with the first ARM A15-Cortex design, which is already in previews. That thing will blow everything else out of the water.

There is a point of diminishing returns of real-world compute power when you increase the cores, as you need the applications to be increasingly multi-threaded to see the real-world gains.

All this just to say... a 1.5 or 1.8 Ghz quad-core Exynos may have comparable performance to the LTEVO, despite the bigger clock speed and "quad-core" nomenclature.
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I really hope Motorola comes out with something just as spectacular to get into the conversation. I really have had such a great experience with my MoPho, as well as all the accessories that Motorola came out with for the phone.
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If you want your GPS to work, you'll get the EVO
Have the Epic Touch, no issues at all with GPS.
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I really hope Motorola comes out with something just as spectacular to get into the conversation. I really have had such a great experience with my MoPho, as well as all the accessories that Motorola came out with for the phone.
MoPho, MoPho, MoPho - just come back to the fold!

We don't need no stinking accessories!
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MoPho, MoPho, MoPho - just come back to the fold!

We don't need no stinking accessories!
Hahaha...I wish I could say I don't, EarlyMon. But man, the car dock made by Motorola absolutely kills any car dock I've ever had from HTC. They use a universal Garmin mount on the back, so I have alternate options for mounting. On top of that, they added an integrated 3.5mm input, connected through the charger, so it gets the wires out of the way and no need to use the 3.5mm input on the phone. The lapdock made me want to get rid of my laptop and switch to a powerful PC at home.
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Clearly, I am not talking to a duct tape man.

I see.

(sounds like a nice car dock, tho)
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Maybe we will have some real information about the GS3 soon.
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If no solid facts on the Samsung are going to emerge until two weeks after pre-order of LTEVO, this thread will really only be a Lounge thread debating the known with the unknown for some time.

Seven weeks.
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Maybe we will have some real information about the GS3 soon.
We are not going to get any REAL info until Samsung themselves place the announcement.
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We are not going to get any REAL info until Samsung themselves place the announcement.
I agree!
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I'll admit, its amazing how tight lipped Samsung has been.
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They're still doing it as wrong as HTC.

One X, end of February, people in the press get to play with it. Beginning of April, people in the press get to play with the Sprint variant. Beginning of May, we get to order one. Until we're sure in June and get one, we all go nuts until someone is ready to sell their children for a glimpse of a speedy delivery truck with their box.

Samsung does it all differently. They have been matching the HTC dates I have mentioned, in general ok, but with the main difference of getting more ink without letting people in the press touch one.

In either case, it stretches out to a good 4 or 5 months of consumers like us somehow staying interested.

The correct day for pre-ordering the LTEVO was April 4, 2012.

I have no idea about Samsung, as even that invitation for the 22nd has people calling shenanigans.

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Much like the situation preceding yesterday for the LTEVO, iow.
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I see.

(sounds like a nice car dock, tho)
LOL...you know I'm always about the OEM accessories (unless they suck). I think I waited for every single OEM accessory for the EVO before and even though HTC makes "pretty" accessories, the functionality is nowhere near Motorola's level.

That said, as of right now, it'd be so worth it with the LTEvo. Man, the more I look at that thing, really makes me miss the construction of HTC devices.
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LOL...you know I'm always about the OEM accessories (unless they suck). I think I waited for every single OEM accessory for the EVO before and even though HTC makes "pretty" accessories, the functionality is nowhere near Motorola's level.

That said, as of right now, it'd be so worth it with the LTEvo. Man, the more I look at that thing, really makes me miss the construction of HTC devices.
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Maybe we will have some real information about the GS3 soon.
According to Samsung VP, Galaxy Note is the Galaxy S3
Samsung VP: Galaxy S2 Successor Here Already & It's Not Called S3
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According to Samsung VP, Galaxy Note is the Galaxy S3
Samsung VP: Galaxy S2 Successor Here Already & It's Not Called S3
Yeah. And now we are, once again, here -






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I may have misread but someone in here called the EVO4Gs battery life "phenomenal" and did not use sarcasm.

That should result in internet banishment.
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I may have misread but someone in here called the EVO4Gs battery life "phenomenal" and did not use sarcasm.

That should result in internet banishment.
It was possible with rooted EVO. I was one of the few that didn't have issues after the Gingerbread update and my battery life actually did improve compared to prior to the update.
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According to Samsung VP, Galaxy Note is the Galaxy S3
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He contradicts himself saying it is, then immediately says a successor hasn't been confirmed.

"the successor [to the S2] is already here, it's the Galaxy Note... We haven't confirmed any successor to the S2. The S2 is a very, very popular device. It's the number one selling Android device in the UK and has been now for coming up to a year..."
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i had a samsung moment and i hated it.. i know were comparing a daewoo lanos to a bmw but when i upgraded to my 3vo i can honestly say ill never own another samsung..
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He contradicts himself saying it is, then immediately says a successor hasn't been confirmed.

"the successor [to the S2] is already here, it's the Galaxy Note... We haven't confirmed any successor to the S2. The S2 is a very, very popular device. It's the number one selling Android device in the UK and has been now for coming up to a year..."
Yeah...LOL...I saw that and was thinking, "um, so which is it? Either the Note is the successor or it's not."
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Yeah...LOL...I saw that and was thinking, "um, so which is it? Either the Note is the successor or it's not."
Hence my picture of a merry go round, obviously - wait a second, and the pony changes right before your eyes.

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i had a samsung moment and i hated it.. i know were comparing a daewoo lanos to a bmw but when i upgraded to my 3vo i can honestly say ill never own another samsung..
Lotta loyal Samsung fans were made from bad HTC experiences as well.

Sure hope that the QA on these babies is top notch!

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He contradicts himself saying it is, then immediately says a successor hasn't been confirmed.

"the successor [to the S2] is already here, it's the Galaxy Note... We haven't confirmed any successor to the S2. The S2 is a very, very popular device. It's the number one selling Android device in the UK and has been now for coming up to a year..."
Yeah that article made me chuckle a bit.
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Yeah...LOL...I saw that and was thinking, "um, so which is it? Either the Note is the successor or it's not."
My guess is something was lost in translation.
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I may have misread but someone in here called the EVO4Gs battery life "phenomenal" and did not use sarcasm.

That should result in internet banishment.
That was me. I currently easily get over 48hrs of battery life with low usage. And about 16 with moderate usage.
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i REALLY wish they would change the picture for the EVO 4g... its not accurate at all, infact it's quiet horrible, you can't take a picture at an angle like that and then use it for side by side comparison
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i REALLY wish they would change the picture for the EVO 4g... its not accurate at all, infact it's quiet horrible, you can't take a picture at an angle like that and then use it for side by side comparison
Wow, no kidding!

Put it alongside the 3vo, they differ in width by a mm but the leaned-back Evo looks fatter!
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That was me. I currently easily get over 48hrs of battery life with low usage. And about 16 with moderate usage.
Cool and my properly rooted android gets 6 hours with low usage one day and spikes to 10 hours the next.

The phone has a battery issue. Some of you have gotten lucky or use your phone with zero functionality, but to say the Evo has phenomenal battery life is completely false. If you have to root a phone for good battery life, it is not good battery life. You should not have to root your phone for that.

Sometimes people say stuff in here that makes no sense..."rooting is REALLY EASY!!!". Yes, if you are a tech geek. It is not easy..easy is me telling the 21 year old girl in my office to go root her phone and having her return the next day and say "wow ..no problem". That is what a real world definition of easy is.

The same logic is applicable to battery life, which is why there is no reason anyone should ever describe the EVO1's as phenomenal.
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Cool and my properly rooted android gets 6 hours with low usage one day and spikes to 10 hours the next.

The phone has a battery issue. Some of you have gotten lucky or use your phone with zero functionality, but to say the Evo has phenomenal battery life is completely false. If you have to root a phone for good battery life, it is not good battery life. You should not have to root your phone for that.

Sometimes people say stuff in here that makes no sense..."rooting is REALLY EASY!!!". Yes, if you are a tech geek. It is not easy..easy is me telling the 21 year old girl in my office to go root her phone and having her return the next day and say "wow ..no problem". That is what a real world definition of easy is.

The same logic is applicable to battery life, which is why there is no reason anyone should ever describe the EVO1's as phenomenal.


it is true.. there is a lot of difference from one person to the next... in battery life...

and the evo's battery is not big enough!



I am going to guess .. the real differentiator is location and signal strength..

you say .. one day to the next.. you get different battery performance...and we will assume you are using the phone the same amount.

when the phone is having a hard time finding a good solid signal... i will periodically keep checking for a connection... it is like it is making a shiit load of very short calls... maybe every other minute or so.

this drains the battery...
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Dan is correct. People get varying mileage.

Charges that those getting good battery life aren't using their phones or being possibly just wrong can't be tolerated, we're here to respect each other and share notes on how to get things done, not to pass judgment without evidence.

There can be easily 60 or more library services actively running under the hood that few monitors with ever tell you about.

Please consider that the phrase, everyone gets different mileage, isn't just an expression. Some work harder to not let background processes get the better of them, and some do live near flaky cell towers, while others move in and out fringe areas without ever knowing about it.

You stand a better chance at battery life if any of the following improve - increase from single core, smaller manufacturing process used for major chips in the phone, increase in Sense revision, increase in rom customization to improve process control.

But these are cell phones. For every guy who gets out of the park performance, there's another who can't get good battery life at gunpoint.

But none of it is a reason to make it personal, ok?
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Something we haven't explored -

We all know that apps can go rogue, or apps can be incompatible with each other and cause issues.

And I have met plenty of TW and Sense owners who insist that one or the other or both suck at battery life, causing brand switching and / or rom switching.

But I don't think that we've ever looked at it from the side of some apps or app combinations simply colliding with Sense or TW in a way to drive a battery nuts.

That is entirely possible from a tech viewpoint, and might explain some of the HTC vs Samsung hate.

Just as I've asked for respect for those with great battery life, I give the same respect for those who have tried everything and gotten nowhere until switching brands.

It's a tricky problem.
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with my OG Evo i think switching from sense to stock made a big enough improvement for me.

one thing i don't understand is why htc doesn't make Sense as just a launcher... I mean i guess they would have to use the stock dialer but i feel like we would have much more compatibility if it was simply an "app"

another thing, back in the original EVO 4g days, sense could be disabled, do you think that with ICS (has the ability to freeze programs) that we could "Freeze" sense and therefore force the phone to use stock?
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Sense has always been more than a launcher, widgets and apps - it's an overall approach to making phone use data centric, specifically around people, rather than app centric.

You pull up a contact and you know at glance if you have outstanding messages or email from them.

While everyone is still saying that Sense was a loser, it's this exact paradigm that's at the core of the ICS change from Gingerbread.

That side of Sense has been completely vindicated.

I don't see why you couldn't freeze Rosie (the Sense launcher) but you should know that when you start freezing pieces of Sense, it tends to eat more battery, unless you use comprehensive system monitoring to ensure your changes are correct. That's because user actions can set up a round robin of app check-ins to ensure that the data are connected everywhere Sense expects. If you replace a Sense component as default, that component will simply answer queries as, go away I don't work here anymore. If you freeze it, you force the apps checking each other to literally go nuts, and escalate messaging the frozen app in a time and battery wasting set of queries without answer.

Sense tinkering without knowing underlying side effects has been part of the reason for the ongoing Sense-is-a-pig meme.

If you haven't tried Sense 3 or greater on a dual core, you really can't know how much they've improved every aspect of its performance.

If you have and it's still not for you, you've probably already found out that a Senseless rom is your right choice.

I used to weed out things like Sense footprints or whatever it's called and other stuff on my Evo, to help save battery life. On a 3vo, none of that was required for me.

I killed off the bloatware, turned off social network stuff, cleared gmail and shut that down, and immediately joined the 36 hour of moderate use battery club on the 3vo.

All I'm saying is that you might want to re-think your going in position on modern Sense powered by a dual core.

This won't be Sense 1.0 on simple Snapdragon. The old rules don't apply.
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As a man that has been using an up-to-date stock Evo, I have no problems with Sense. It never seemed to inhibit my experience; only enhance it. I love Sense's contact-driven style. Especially facebook/social-network contact syncing, which is something I didn't see available when tinkering with a GS2. Anyone know if touchwiz has the syncing available?
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As a man that has been using an up-to-date stock Evo, I have no problems with Sense. It never seemed to inhibit my experience; only enhance it. I love Sense's contact-driven style. Especially facebook/social-network contact syncing, which is something I didn't see available when tinkering with a GS2. Anyone know if touchwiz has the syncing available?
Facebook and Twitter can both sync with contacts my E4GT and it's stock...
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As a man that has been using an up-to-date stock Evo, I have no problems with Sense. It never seemed to inhibit my experience; only enhance it. I love Sense's contact-driven style. Especially facebook/social-network contact syncing, which is something I didn't see available when tinkering with a GS2. Anyone know if touchwiz has the syncing available?
yes but you have to download the facebook and twitter apps from the market, they in turn will sync themselves to your contact book...

Sense has the capability built into it without the need for the apps
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