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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I can see how this issue is a hot topic of its own, so I have moved posts here to start this thread.

If that's a problem for anyone, please let me know.

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The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone. They aren't really giving you that much more on the battery and the EVO's have never been known for good battery life, the OG Evo never lasted me more than 12 hrs on a charge max and the 3D was only slightly better and I can run both down in 4-6 hours on a busy day. I always get a Seidio extended battery for my devices and if I can't for this one I won't be buying.

Other than that, it looks great but I wish they went the route of the Note and gave us a much bigger screen. Hopefully HTC will realize this is a feature people want and release one soon.
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The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone.
Not necessarily...why? An efficient processor with a 2AH battery and the ability to use a small external battery pack should take care of maybe 95% of people's needs or more.

What I'm surprised about, is the fact that with all the added features - the device is as slim as is.
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Processor efficiency cannot overcome radio or screen lighting inefficiencies, it can mitigate them.

PS to Rush -

I think that we would all love a 200 Ah battery, but it take a while to charge, lol. (Just teasing, you meant to say, 2000 mAh aka 2 Ah.)
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The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone. They aren't really giving you that much more on the battery and the EVO's have never been known for good battery life, the OG Evo never lasted me more than 12 hrs on a charge max and the 3D was only slightly better and I can run both down in 4-6 hours on a busy day. I always get a Seidio extended battery for my devices and if I can't for this one I won't be buying.

Other than that, it looks great but I wish they went the route of the Note and gave us a much bigger screen. Hopefully HTC will realize this is a feature people want and release one soon.
I agree. If it wasn't for the battery, this would be my next phone. I stream and browse throughout the day and don't usually have a place to plug it in until I get home. I really love this phone, it is too bad that it won't work for me.
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The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone.
I would disagree. Qualcomm claims 70% reduction in power consumption with the MSM8960 chip. 2000mAh should be more than enough to swing 15+ hours from this phone with nominal usage.
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Yeah, the battery isn't really an issue to me either. I use my phone alot and with a Sprint 2600 I can go a very long day.
I could see the CPU making great advancements in the two years that the EVO 4G has been out. Technology moves really fast.

Plus how many people buy Iphones and don't complain about the built in battery? i just hope that changing the battery after a year or so is a simple DIY job.
Can't wait to see some tear downs of this phone to see the internals.

If it is a weird shape battery it helps to keep the phone's case size down by having it non-removable. I think it's a great looking phone (not into rounded corners) and the specs look very promising.
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Yes from what I am reading the new phones (this one , the Galaxy S3..etc) are supposed to be worlds better at power consumption. That is my biggest issue with my EVO, so I am hoping it is true
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If it had a removable battery, that would be nice. But honestly, I'm not too worried about it. I say this for 2 reasons: 1) reports on the GNex are that the battery life is stellar and it has a smaller battery then the new EVO, 2) I used to have the Epic 4G Touch (stock) and it had stellar battery life as well... and I am not the type "cripple" the phone to get better battery life.. I left about everything on (minus 4G) and had my screen at Max brightness 24/7.. and it still had good battery performance that was never an issue for me.
Considering all this, in addition to the architecture of the Snapdragon s4 chip found in the EVO 4G LTE, I am not concerned about battery life.. not to mention the the fact the new EVO has a larger battery capacity then the aforementioned phones.
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A non-removable battery would have concerned me had they not bumped the size, but I think HTC learned from the Thunderbolt battery debacle. Will it be stellar? Probably not, but I think most will find it perfectly usable. I'm not a heavy phone user, and I was easily able to get a full day of use from my old Evo. My Photon is even better; I forgot to charge it Tuesday night, and it survived all day yesterday until I was back in my car after work to plug it in. So yeah, for me, it's not a concern.

As for size, I think it's about perfect. Not everyone wants a monster phone the size of the Note.
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Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.
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I dont mind a fixed battery one bit. I just need my phone to last longer than 6 hours under literally barely any use.

that is where I am at with my EVO. I need a full day out of it bare minimum..and that would be with medium usage.
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Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.
Thin is the excuse.

It lowers manufacturing costs primarily, makes it more disposable secondarily.
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I like thin a lot since I keep my phone in my front pocket.
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The non-removable battery does disappoint me.

Since I'm still using my Evo 4G I have become quite accostomed of haveing a wired (to a power source) wireless phone.

I'm really looking forward to the ifixit teardown to see just how user replacable the battery will be.
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i was bummed that it was not the 2650mah... that was rumored.
personally.. i would not mind a slight increase in thickness to get a 3000mah -nonrecoverable battery.


i am sure there will be kits to replace the battery in the near future.

i wonder how the battery will be performing after 2 yrs of constant use... when i am trying to sell this baby to someone else?
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How many people complaining about this now will actually buy the phone on launch day or soon after and then be all over forums complaining about battery life? I bet a lot. They should just wait until others get it in their hands and use it a while before deciding one way or the other.

Or maybe Sprint will come out with one with a larger battery later. I'm sure Sprint doesn't want a lot of bad press over poor battery life. I'm sure they weren't expecting all the chatter about how ugly some people think the phone is anyway.
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Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.
When you say they sacrifice function for form, help me understand what you mean by that!?
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I'm sure they'll be some sort of update(s) to improve battery life sometime down the road. My EVO 3D is always on charge while I'm using it; so, I'm not worried about battery life at all on my (soon to have) EVO 4G LTE.
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Form follows function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The thinness (form) is played up over having a larger or replaceable battery (function). As opposed to not compromising on the battery feature and letting it take the form (appearance) required to accommodate that.

Rush - until there's a report of a defect, I wouldn't be counting on updates for the battery.
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When you say they sacrifice function for form, help me understand what you mean by that!?
If I'm reading novox77 correctly, it means HTC/Sprint has sacrificed the benefits of a user-accessible battery in favor of a thinner phone, or making it look "cool" at the expense of a desired feature.
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I really want this phone. I love everything about it...except that I was hoping for a bigger battery. I'm unable to plug in for about 10 hours a day, so I have to have something that will last. (My current Photon is fantastic!) But it's not a big deal. I just won't pre-order. I'll wait for some user feedback before I get it.
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How many people complaining about this now will actually buy the phone on launch day or soon after and then be all over forums complaining about battery life? I bet a lot. They should just wait until others get it in their hands and use it a while before deciding one way or the other.

Or maybe Sprint will come out with one with a larger battery later. I'm sure Sprint doesn't want a lot of bad press over poor battery life. I'm sure they weren't expecting all the chatter about how ugly some people think the phone is anyway.

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If people are concerned about battery life, buy the phone on launch day & disappointed with the battery life, only to suffer buyer's remorse when a 'MAXX' :-P version of this phone hits the shelves 6-8 weeks after initial launch, they have no one to blame but themselves.

For everyone's sake that are going to purchase this phone come Hell or high water, I hope HTC & SPRINT has done some serious realistic everyday testing w/battery life on this phone.

The last thing HTC, & especially SPRINT needs right now is a swing-and-a-miss all for the sake of a slightly slimmer phone that won't make it past noon w/o looking for an outlet to re-charge.

If this phone had an accompanying tablet a la ASUS PADFONE, I'd be all over this phone.

The rest of the specs & features are definitely top-notch & I'm glad to see HTC putting out such a phone, if for no other reason than to push the competition to keep up or exceed the LTEVO.
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I think that people wondering about the battery know the risks to buying at launch.

And it does sport a larger battery than the Evo, Evo 3D and the international One X.

So, I don't think that anyone is calling it anemic.

Every launch has risks, better to consider choices and risk mitigation plans. Mine always include the opportunities for return for refund and rooting, among my other tricks.

And let's face it, this is an HTC, so the battery will still be discussed at least a year after it hits end of life.

That seems to be a requirement.

Someone will get bad battery life and insist long after they move on that those of us getting great life and decent use are wrong.

I think that the Maxx version of the RAZR is great and all, but removable batteries always win. If the RAZR had had that, there wouldn't have been a Maxx, and there wouldn't have been a lot of people butt hurt over being locked out of one after choosing the RAZR.

There would have simply been an extended battery market, per usual.
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If I'm reading novox77 correctly, it means HTC/Sprint has sacrificed the benefits of a user-accessible battery in favor of a thinner phone, or making it look "cool" at the expense of a desired feature.
Honestly, it looks like this is the way the industry is headed.

Thin sells more phones off the bat... the customer can deal with any buyer's remorse coming from a battery that loses its pep later, but the manufacturer has the money pocketed already
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Would I have preferred a removable battery? Yes. Will the non-removable battery make me less likely to buy it? No.

Battery life on my Evo3D is not great. I never make it through the workday without charging, unless I only use it for calls without bluetooth and texting. I have pretty poor reception in most of the places I spend my working day. Bluetooth sucks battery like crazy. I could do better if I rooted and used custom roms but I haven't bothered. I have a spare battery, but it is generally useless except in emergencies, because between the terrible design of the door, combined with having an OtterBox Defender case, swapping the battery is more annoying than charging.

The new LTEvo I expect will last at least as long as the Evo3D and likely much longer. We know ahead of time that it is non-removable, and what size the battery is. The chances that it will last less time than current phones is pretty slim. The people who will be affected by it fall into two groups. People who don't research their phones before buying, and people who expect very long life from all their phones. The people that don't research have no one to blame but themselves. The power users, it won't really matter, because they will tweak them and root and customize the roms until they get what they want anyway. For anyone not in those two groups, it will most likely be more than acceptable.

Again, I would definitely prefer a removable battery, for those unforseen situations, hence why I always carry a spare right now. It won't dissuade me one bit though to buy this phone at launch.
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I thought I read somewhere it had a li-po instead of li-ion battery, now I can't find it. I'm not sure the difference it would make,but a buddy of mine uses only li-po in his remote control airplanes.
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For everybody else, I will rephrase: The non-replaceable battery will kill the phone for power users such as myself.

During my busy season I can put 5+ hours a day on the phone, have 1 pop3 and 4 imap accounts checking every 30 minutes, 1 Gmail, bluetooth, GPS enabled, in other words batteries tremble when I approach!

I can get 30-40 hours on a light day or I can kill it in 14 hours with a 4000mah Seidio battery so 2000mah is going to be a limiting factor for me. I work in the field a lot and don't always have access to power unless I happen to have this with me. It has come in handy a few times!
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BIG reason on why not having a removable battery option is just insane on HTC's & Sprint's part: What happens when the CHARGING PORT BREAKS? Which it will. How exactly are we supposed to charge those expensive paperweights of a phone, HTC/SPRINT?! Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!
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BIG reason on why not having a removable battery option is just insane on HTC's & Sprint's part: What happens when the CHARGING PORT BREAKS? Which it will. How exactly are we supposed to charge those expensive paperweights of a phone, HTC/SPRINT?! Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!
As you can see I've had three HTC phones, and I haven't had a charging port break yet. So I'm not sure where you got that from.
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BIG reason on why not having a removable battery option is just insane on HTC's & Sprint's part: What happens when the CHARGING PORT BREAKS? Which it will. How exactly are we supposed to charge those expensive paperweights of a phone, HTC/SPRINT?! Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!
If your charging port breaks you take it in. I took my original Evo in twice (for unrelated reasons) and got a repair or replacement both times. It's not insane to have a non-replaceable battery. Apple has done that from the very start, and they seem to sell iPhones just fine. Insane would have been slapping a 1400 mAh battery inside (*cough*Thunderbolt*cough*).

The current phone market demands thin phones, and any thick phone gets blasted in the tech media as "bulky." For HTC to make the phone as thin as it is with everything that's inside, they made the battery non-removable. Could they have done it with a removable battery? Maybe, but likely not without adding cost or making some other sacrifice.
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i have had 5 htc phones... touch, diamond, pro touch, hero, evo
and a few replacements for different reasons...
and never a charging port issue.
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Well, to be fair, I did have a problem with the charging port on my HTC Mogul. Of course, that was after using it as my primary phone for like, 4 years. I guess it is possible to have a problem with it and not be under warranty. Of course, that is why you pay for the insurance, but I can see how some people may not be able or willing to pay for the insurance.

I still think that is probably the weakest argument against the non-removable battery. Any situation that involves a broken charging port would likely be more of an issue with the phone overall and its quality, as opposed to being a reason that they shouldn't have used a non-removable battery.
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An Achilles heel for the EVO 4G has been real time battery life (or lack of it). The EVO 4G LTE does not have a [consumer] replaceable battery - if it is a power hog, the phone may be doomed. (The EVO 4G has been a power hog with an inadequate original battery, where some people reported not getting a full day's use from a single battery charge. What will be the power draw of EVO LTE - stay tuned!)

While most people have not had problems with the EVO's charging port, the Forum has had enough responses to suggest that it has been a problem for some, when NONE would be an appropriate number. Has the charging port and it construction been improved in the EVO LTE?
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the charging port on the EVO was a generic micro USB, it was just a huge volume selling phone so there were more people to break charging ports and therefore more reports... we don't get reports of people NOT breaking them

i personally have broken two charging ports on my phones, neither of them being my EVO 4G...

just don't JAM the charger into the port and it wont break, its when people get careless and start FORCING metal against plastic, the plastic breaks everytime
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Charging port construction on the Evo Shift and the 3D was dramatically improved, I think that it's a long past issue now.

The 3D and Shift both feature impressive battery improvement over the Evo.

The Evo is really three full technology generations behind the LTEVO, so I don't think that using the Evo to set expectations is the best bet.
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Will the EVO LTE "Jumbo Display" [significantly] adversely affect battery life. Intuitively, the larger the display the greater the power draw.
Yes / No??
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Will the EVO LTE "Jumbo Display" [significantly] adversely affect battery life. Intuitively, the larger the display the greater the power draw.
Yes / No??
No one knows yet?
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positive...
bigger battery
better CPU

Negative...
bigger screen, but new tech and how it performs
LTE on 1900mhz.. will it have penetration issues


so NO ONE will know how well this phone will preform on battery life.. till it is released.

also.. if you have terrible battery performance because of bad location and bad signal strength.. you might still have issues.
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I don't have a problem with a non-removable battery. I'm still rocking a launch day EVO 4G with the original battery that last 36 hrs with normal use.
The original battery out performs my off market back up battery.

The problem is poorly designed apps {cough...skype...cough} that are power and resource draining hogs.
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Someone mentioned that this battery might be Li-Polymer. I think that's probably true given the increased capacity in a smaller form factor. AFAIK, Li-Po is not quite as efficient as Li-ion, but it can be shaped into whatever form is needed and therefore can hold more charge per volume compared to Li-ion. Li-Po also has a slower degradation of the cathode, which means the battery retains its max capacity longer than Li-ion. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same.
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Someone mentioned that this battery might be Li-Polymer. I think that's probably true given the increased capacity in a smaller form factor. AFAIK, Li-Po is not quite as efficient as Li-ion, but it can be shaped into whatever form is needed and therefore can hold more charge per volume compared to Li-ion. Li-Po also has a slower degradation of the cathode, which means the battery retains its max capacity longer than Li-ion. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same.
Awesome report! Thanks for sharing. I know in the R/C car/plane world, Li-Po is the best thing since sliced bread... but damn they're expensive! I'm glad you posted this.. Thx!
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BIG reason on why not having a removable battery option is just insane on HTC's & Sprint's part: What happens when the CHARGING PORT BREAKS? Which it will. How exactly are we supposed to charge those expensive paperweights of a phone, HTC/SPRINT?! Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think!
Well I guess you probably shouldn't be buying HTC phones then if you're so jinxed. Especially since you already know that the charging port in a phone you've never touched WILL break. You must have companies breaking down your door trying to hire you for your psychic product testing abilities.

My launch day EVO 4G might as well have a non-replaceable battery as I've only taken it out once back when I changed the SD card way back in 2010. Good thing I got the one charging port that didn't break.
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Its nice that i will need to wait until my city gets the LTE (Columbus, Oh) which will give me time to evaluate the phone better, especially through forums like this one.

If they improve the sound, camera, and battery over the 3d, I will be in. Even though I don't like the above about the 3d, I do seem to like the feel and sense better on htc phones than others.

My son has a case for his iPhone that has an extended battery. He uses the case battery first, and then when it runs out, it switches to the iPhone's battery. This would be ideal if it becomes available.
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I feel pretty confident in saying those three things are improved on the LTEVO

1.Sound - HD Voice (when available) and Beats audio (integrated throughout the phone) will drastically improve the sound, speaker call quality will still be typical of smartphones (crummy overall compared to dumb phones) I'm confident this area will be improved atleast slightly

2. Camera - the camera is the same as that on the ONE X... best smartphone camera to date by a long shot, i KNOW this area is GREATLY improved, no point in really discussing it further haha

3. Battery - the battery in the LTEVO is Bigger, so +1, the CPU is more optimized so +1, the CPU is on a 28nm fab process +1, LTE is less of a power hog than WiMax for 4g +1, ICS helps battery all around, the OS is much better optimized so +1..... the screen is also more battery friendly than that of the 3D so +1 - I'm confident here as well that the battery will improve over the 3D, by how much, nobody knows.
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I feel pretty confident in saying those three things are improved on the LTEVO

1.Sound - HD Voice (when available) and Beats audio (integrated throughout the phone) will drastically improve the sound, speaker call quality will still be typical of smartphones (crummy overall compared to dumb phones) I'm confident this area will be improved atleast slightly

2. Camera - the camera is the same as that on the ONE X... best smartphone camera to date by a long shot, i KNOW this area is GREATLY improved, no point in really discussing it further haha

3. Battery - the battery in the LTEVO is Bigger, so +1, the CPU is more optimized so +1, the CPU is on a 28nm fab process +1, LTE is less of a power hog than WiMax for 4g +1, ICS helps battery all around, the OS is much better optimized so +1..... the screen is also more battery friendly than that of the 3D so +1 - I'm confident here as well that the battery will improve over the 3D, by how much, nobody knows.
FYI -- HD Voice will require both handsets to be HD Voice compatible... so in other words, in the near future, you will only be able to experience this benefit when they flip the switch and when talking with another LTEVO user unfortunately.

But, much of what you said regarding the battery life is pretty accurate, although regarding the LTE, it's not quite clear yet how things will be. The big advantage to the WiMax implementation was that at least you could turn it on/off on the fly, and with the WiMax radio off, the battery hit was lessened quite a bit. However, IIRC, the former HTC LTE/4G handsets were not integrated in a way that allowed that -- you needed to reboot the phone every time you wanted to turn on/off the 4G. Plus, the LTE was horribly inefficient and battery hungry.

But yes, improvements in the software side and efficiency, performance, and fabrication gains on the hardware side should bode well for our device, though it's tough to say what kind of negative impact the higher resolution and larger screen size will have on battery life.
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FYI -- HD Voice will require both handsets to be HD Voice compatible... so in other words, in the near future, you will only be able to experience this benefit when they flip the switch and when talking with another LTEVO user unfortunately.

But, much of what you said regarding the battery life is pretty accurate, although regarding the LTE, it's not quite clear yet how things will be. The big advantage to the WiMax implementation was that at least you could turn it on/off on the fly, and with the WiMax radio off, the battery hit was lessened quite a bit. However, IIRC, the former HTC LTE/4G handsets were not integrated in a way that allowed that -- you needed to reboot the phone every time you wanted to turn on/off the 4G. Plus, the LTE was horribly inefficient and battery hungry.

But yes, improvements in the software side and efficiency, performance, and fabrication gains on the hardware side should bode well for our device, though it's tough to say what kind of negative impact the higher resolution and larger screen size will have on battery life.
higher res will only affect battery when your gpu is rendering stuff like in Games anything else it won't make a difference, screen size, while bigger i hear SLCD-2 is also more efficient so i dont know what to make of that yet, could be BETTER could be the same could even be worse...

the 4g toggle thing, i think sprint will have it toggle on off. you can do it with WiMax on the OGEVO, and sprint has already made a strong point that this will be the case on the GNEX so i don't see why they WOULDN"T on the LTEVO
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higher res will only affect battery when your gpu is rendering stuff like in Games anything else it won't make a difference, screen size, while bigger i hear SLCD-2 is also more efficient so i dont know what to make of that yet, could be BETTER could be the same could even be worse...

the 4g toggle thing, i think sprint will have it toggle on off. you can do it with WiMax on the OGEVO, and sprint has already made a strong point that this will be the case on the GNEX so i don't see why they WOULDN"T on the LTEVO
My understanding is that higher resolution displays, regardless of the type of graphics being displayed (although high res 3D graphics certainly requires more from the GPU, and the GPU will consume more power, but we're just talking about the display itself) fundamentally consumes more power.

That is evidenced: 1) http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/prod_development/revisions/downloads/displays/Draft_1_Comments_Lenovo.pdf and 2) any comparison of the power consumption of the iPad 2 and iPad 3 which features a much higher resolution, only a bump in GPU power (core CPU stays the same), and I've seen estimates of a 30% power consumption increase.

So yes, the 720p will definitely make some difference over the qHD of the Evo 3D and of the 800 by 480 Evo 4G screen.

As for the 4G toggle... it's not Sprint's or anyone else's decision. It's a hardware limitation. I haven't looked too closely at the LTE implementation of the S4 Krait used in the LTEvo so it may very well been a second generation design that mitigates the problems of the prior LTE implementation (I vaguely recall that it was a separate LTE chip whereas the Krait here has LTE integrated which should be better, but I'd have to read more into it).
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The S4 includes the LTE modem. A separate radio is still required. Same as it was for its predecessors, advanced modem support built in.

Edit for citation - http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g-lte/517584-official-sprint-htc-one-x-pre-release-thread.html#post4089044
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